View Full Version : Question on 0.8 for the team and testers.
How are faction attitudes? Do the Seleukids and Ptolemaioi stay at war with each other if you are playing as Baktria or Armenia or Carthage? Right now this issue is why I've practically stopped playing my Baktrian campaign. Even on medium i'm slogging through stack after stack of Seleukid elites and the Ptolemaioi aren't at war with anyone.
I would probably finish AS off, but I don't want to share a border with anyone in Anatolia for fear of going to war with another faction.
Teleklos Archelaou
10-13-2006, 18:08
We're still working on some of it. The beta testers might be able to answer that question better quite honestly and are free to do so as long as they don't reveal anything that should remain secret.
I would also advise though being very very nice to the seleukids if you are playing as any faction near them (except ptolemies), no matter what. As pontos recently I figured that out. I said to myself that no matter if a seleukid army was around, i could still take Nikaia as it was not a seleukid rebel city. But i took it and they got mad and attacked me. I should have left it alone while they were anywhere nearby, and even ought to have sent them a nice little ang pow while I was at it too to make them happier. :grin:
Zaknafien
10-13-2006, 19:59
Well now that TA has given us the go-ahead to respond, I would say that faction attitudes are working out very well in the new build. The diplomacy seems much improved with starting and core attitudes of various factions. Some factions are much more aggressive, while others are more passive according to their historical perspectives. And yeah, the Seleucids are pretty mean indeed, expanding in ways not seen before.
Well now that TA has given us the go-ahead to respond, I would say that faction attitudes are working out very well in the new build. The diplomacy seems much improved with starting and core attitudes of various factions. Some factions are much more aggressive, while others are more passive according to their historical perspectives. And yeah, the Seleucids are pretty mean indeed, expanding in ways not seen before.
Hmmm sounds good. I always have wanted the Seleucids to try and expand rather than just sit there while they get battered by Egypt and the Eastern Kingdoms.
They seem to be pretty vicious. The situation in Italy and Greece is tense, things are a bit more even it seems. And I have yet to see the Ptolemies and Carthaginians go to war with each other. Plus, 1.5 is fun, getting rid of the siege bug really helps the AI out.
Interested: How is that Roman superpower I keep seeing doing?
Are they sending out stack upon stack of Triarii still?
Teleklos Archelaou
10-14-2006, 20:06
The betatesters will start getting the new units sometime this week maybe. Hoping the romans will start adding a fair number of those to their stacks by then.
Nope!:2thumbsup:
Every Roman army I've seen in the new buid so far has ben well balanced between different types of troops. Much more entertaining. So far I've seen the Ptolmaioi still slugging it with Seleukids for quite a while and about half the time Baktria and AS stay at peace which is new. Also no desert wars which is a great releif.
Is faction X in the build that the BETA testers are testing?
Zaknafien
10-15-2006, 13:06
yes :) But we're not going to tell you what it is.
Will there be a preview for faction X (where it will be unveiled) or will we have to wait till 0.8 before the mystery stops slowly eating away at our minds and souls?
Teleklos Archelaou
10-15-2006, 15:47
It's not really that playable for them yet either. The new units and placeholder system for other necessary ones will be in the next update they get. That will be a lot more playable for them then. We might let a preview get out, but I don't know when and we aren't 100% sure of it yet. We'll see. :grin:
The new Faction is!...... ~Static~ Isn't that cool!:laugh4:
Not that we don't want to tell you.... Just that it would be against our contract.:laugh4:
aw, c'mon that's not very nice--or "cool"--at all.
Teleklos Archelaou
10-16-2006, 16:21
A betatester asked us about this, maybe someone will know:
Did 1.5 fix the FOW so that now with FOW off you can see all unit types in all armies on the map? Anyone know? Cause we can see them all, and it's not because of anything we did knowingly.
-Praetor-
10-16-2006, 19:44
I`m playing Darthmod 8.0, which runs on 1.5, and with FOW off, I can`t see the type of units that comprises the enemy stacks.
What I can see is the number of units that it has, but not the type or strenght of the units.... strange.
Did 1.5 fix the FOW so that now with FOW off you can see all unit types in all armies on the map? Anyone know? Cause we can see them all, and it's not because of anything we did knowingly.
It so happens that I have just installed RTW 1.5, to play some normal RTW in expectation of EB 0.8.
I get no information on enemy armies, outside my line of sight with the FOW turned off. I let a couple of years pass in a fresh Brutii campaign without moving, with the FOW off. (The only information is whether there is a family member or not. Questionmarks for all other units).
The_Mark
10-19-2006, 19:20
A betatester asked us about this, maybe someone will know:
Did 1.5 fix the FOW so that now with FOW off you can see all unit types in all armies on the map? Anyone know? Cause we can see them all, and it's not because of anything we did knowingly.
Well, the console_command toggle_perfect_spy at the start of the script may have something to do with this ;)
Teleklos Archelaou
10-19-2006, 20:18
Hey - nice job of editing someone else's quote in a reply there Musopticon. What gives?
I've run out of trebor's soft peppermints and all the stores are closed. I blame you, Teleklos.
Now if you'll excuse me, i'm having an argument over at the ebaumsworld forums about who built the pyramids. Aliens, or the Egyptians.
I've run out of trebor's soft peppermints and all the stores are closed. I blame you, Teleklos.
Now if you'll excuse me, i'm having an argument over at the ebaumsworld forums about who built the pyramids. Aliens, or the Egyptians.
Egyptians built them, and too many mints rot your teeth. Thinking about it if you eat too many you could end up with Egyptian teeth (Egyptian teeth were worn down due to coarse bread).
Oh i've been arguing that the Egyptians built them, but the good people of eBaumsworld seem to think that the Egyptians couldn't possibly build something so complicated because people 4000 years ago MUST have been too dumb to build anything of the sort...
But mints rot your teeth eh? They're sugarfree... I've become addicted to them over the last few weeks... People said you could become addicted to mint, i didn't believe them... But it's true! I started with a packet of polo's everyday, the peppermint ones, not the spearmint, but then, after a few days, one packet wasn't enough... When i finished a packet, i would crave more... And now i've discovered the soft mints that are chewy... I'm eating 3 packets a day... I bought so many, the shop i buy them from actually put the price up by 3 pence... Bastards... But i could stop any time... I really could...
Laundreu
10-19-2006, 22:03
I am still planning on a Lets Play Europa Barbarorum thread on the Something Awful forums, and have narrowed my nation choice down to two nations - Getia or Iberia. Are these nations closer to complete, closed beta players / mod creators? I don't want to pick a nation that is still WiP (like I understand Sabea Nabataea Bartix The New Polity is going to be) but either of those nations strike me as ones that will show off EB's strong points. If not, suggestions from your experiences?
Teleklos Archelaou
10-19-2006, 22:22
Personally, if you want to do an AAR that will show off the mod's achievements, I wouldn't choose either of those for 0.8. I think you'd enjoy an old greek faction more, or an eastern greek or a celtic one or possibly even a carthie one. Even sweboz or a Sarmatian one might be better.
I am still planning on a Lets Play Europa Barbarorum thread on the Something Awful forums, and have narrowed my nation choice down to two nations - Getia or Iberia. Are these nations closer to complete, closed beta players / mod creators? I don't want to pick a nation that is still WiP (like I understand Sabea Nabataea Bartix The New Polity is going to be) but either of those nations strike me as ones that will show off EB's strong points. If not, suggestions from your experiences?
Iberia will not be ready for playing at 0.8.0 because it is currently going through a complete change. Getia is far more complete, but I'm unsure how much. Work is still being submitted.
Foot
Markus_Aurelius
10-19-2006, 22:44
Sabae Nabatae Bartrix eh???? I hope you just didn't reviel "factions x"
Its true Bartix is Faction X. We did some research and found that Bartix was an actual historical civilisation. They praised the Ibex (or Ibix - notice the similarity in ending) and often carved giant 50 ft statues of the creatures. The civilisation ended when one such statue, the largest ever, fell over and crushed their capital city completely. Whilst there was a festival. For which every single citizen of their empire was in attendance. Bloody unlucky, thats what I say. Current thinking suggests that all the foot-stamping caused the statue to topple, but I guess we'll never know.
Foot
Markus_Aurelius
10-20-2006, 00:12
That has to be the worst luck in the history of mankind lol
NeoSpartan
10-20-2006, 00:15
Its true Bartix is Faction X. We did some research and found that Bartix was an actual historical civilisation. They praised the Ibex (or Ibix - notice the similarity in ending) and often carved giant 50 ft statues of the creatures. The civilisation ended when one such statue, the largest ever, fell over and crushed their capital city completely. Whilst there was a festival. For which every single citizen of their empire was in attendance. Bloody unlucky, thats what I say. Current thinking suggests that all the foot-stamping caused the statue to topple, but I guess we'll never know.
Foot
that sounds like the most lame made up story i've ever heard
Markus_Aurelius
10-20-2006, 00:25
yeah i know
that sounds like the most lame made up story i've ever heard
No chicken soup for you then.
Foot
MarcusAureliusAntoninus
10-20-2006, 01:10
Yeah, I've heard of them too, the great nation Bartix and its founder Abokasix The Incoherant.
Yeah, I've heard of them too, the great nation Bartix and its founder Abokasix The Incoherant.
The Bartix have conqured!
:knight: :horn: :horn: :horn: :horn: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge:
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Speak softly and carry tactical nukes.
BigTex
Ridicolus
"Hilary Clinton is the devil"
~Texas proverb
Personally, if you want to do an AAR that will show off the mod's achievements, I wouldn't choose either of those for 0.8. I think you'd enjoy an old greek faction more, or an eastern greek or a celtic one or possibly even a carthie one. Even sweboz or a Sarmatian one might be better.
:shame:
Teleklos Archelaou
10-20-2006, 03:29
C'mon mate. You know the 'spain' faction is going to be a whole lot better as we get closer to 1.0. A lot is getting done on it now, but any possible uniques, more traits you and Anthony develop, getting more new units (not as many in this next batch as some factions), etc. - all of that will make the faction a lot more fun later, but some factions (if he wants to show off what all EB has done to a faction) have more done at this stage. After all, the 'spain' faction has undergone some pretty major revisions that the others haven't had to have.
I know you're right mate. Hence the "shame" smiley.
Curiousity, will the first cohort textures be in the mod with .8? I noticed that they already had a description file in .74.:inquisitive:
_______________________
Speak softly and carry tactical nukes.
BigTex
Ridicolus
"Hilary Clinton is the devil"
~Texas proverb
Laundreu
10-20-2006, 04:57
Hrm, then. Greece and the Olympic Games? I like the idea of playing Greece, though I was frustrated by a lack of true elites last time; albeit a long time ago. I am certainly not interested in going to the East as of yet; I am not a cavalry kind of guy.
So, Aedui/Averni/Casse or Koinon Hellenon/Epeiros/Makedonia or Carthage - did Carthage get spruced up all nice and pretty?
Teleklos Archelaou
10-20-2006, 05:15
Not as much as the Greeks really. I just love playing with the new greek officers and with the new temporary greek generals. Freaking lovely! And we saw greek standard bearers today for the first time (maybe not in 0.8 though - will have to see). They are all quite glorious. Rob and Foot have done a great job with them. Etairos is trying to get some temporary horse blankets and one elephant one (some elephants are done) to get rid of those vanilla awful team color ones too - for the 0.8 build - but Spartan Warrior has all new horse reskins on his palette for those factions, so by 1.0 they will be changed yet again. Thankfully all these hideous vanilla remnants should be gone though for all hellenic factions for sure, and it does make a big difference I think.
Aut Nihil
10-20-2006, 10:47
Not as much as the Greeks really. I just love playing with the new greek officers and with the new temporary greek generals. Freaking lovely! And we saw greek standard bearers today for the first time (maybe not in 0.8 though - will have to see). They are all quite glorious. Rob and Foot have done a great job with them. Etairos is trying to get some temporary horse blankets and one elephant one (some elephants are done) to get rid of those vanilla awful team color ones too - for the 0.8 build - but Spartan Warrior has all new horse reskins on his palette for those factions, so by 1.0 they will be changed yet again. Thankfully all these hideous vanilla remnants should be gone though for all hellenic factions for sure, and it does make a big difference I think.
Heh, reading this makes me drool over 0.8. What about the sweboz or pontos, any major unit/building changes you can tell me? :d
did you see the list of a dozen or so new sweboz units that psycho posted a while back? i don't remember what thread it was in, maybe someone else does? but a good many new units there, and a lot of changes generally i think, to the sweboz. and there will supposedly be quite a bit done for Pontos and Hayasdan, check out the eastern kingdoms preview for a couple of new units and to see the UI.
by the way, for general interest, the new UI's are awesome, and the music works soooo well in the game
Aut Nihil
10-20-2006, 15:03
Thank you Paullus :balloon2: , i'll be sure to have a look at the suggested threads/previews :)
Laundreu
10-20-2006, 18:14
Nobody must know that I am secretely Sabaea-Man, lest I be endangered by the Legion of Evil (Led of course by my arch-nemesis Europa Barbarorum Man)
I dunno, Musopticon, what you're doing is more than just putting joking words in someone's mouth, since it's Teleklos Archelaou and you're making it look like they revealed Faction Z (Europa Barbarorum's Secret Weapon?).
fallen851
10-20-2006, 19:22
Thankfully all these hideous vanilla remnants should be gone though for all hellenic factions for sure, and it does make a big difference I think.
What about the hideous elements for the other factions?
I guess my questions are more, will all the generals (at least placeholders) be done? Will all the standard bearers be done? How about the horse blankets?
It sounds like .8 will not completely replace all the vanilla elements, is this correct?
It would just be nice to know what has, and what hasn't been replaced. Nothing ruins a battle more than an ugly vanilla unit streaking through the glory.
Teleklos Archelaou
10-20-2006, 19:41
It's difficult to get some of these faction coordinators to go through and identify problem areas like this. And then to select and proactively push through good placeholders instead. Foot has been superb at helping us get rid of some vanilla things, and oetairos has been helping with this too for sure. But some vanilla elements will probably remain. We might be able to push through some non-vanilla stuff as placeholders, but foot was the main guy doing this, and now he's compiling the build still which is maybe the most important task of everyone's, plus FC'ing Hayasdan, plus helping out in lots of other areas too. If we only had more people like him...
If we only had more people like him...
Did I ever mention that clone-army they made of me? :grin:
Foot
Sorry, editting quotes to put words in people's mouths is not acceptable here. Nothing personal, no angst, we just don't allow it. Please don't do it again.
Sorry, editting quotes to put words in people's mouths is not acceptable here. Nothing personal, no angst, we just don't allow it. Please don't do it again.
You there.
I demand the release of 1.0. I don't care if it's not finished, i demand it's release.
And change my diaper, i've made doody.
fallen851
10-21-2006, 07:36
It's difficult to get some of these faction coordinators to go through and identify problem areas like this.
Weird. So he is "compiling the build", does "the build" mean 0.8? Is that the last step before release?
Also, can we expect "hot-fixes" similar to the ones for 0.72 for bugs?
"The Annoyer" is under your name, that is interesting, you seem to do a lot of answering rather than annoying (which is more of my job, I'm sure many people see me as annoying), maybe you should be "The Answerer"?
Finally, one last thing, will night battles be included in 0.8?
Teleklos Archelaou
10-21-2006, 14:43
Inside the mod, I bug the ever loving crap out of people. But I'm tired of the subtitle, so I'll probably change it soon.
Night battles have been set up but I don't know if we've followed through on implementing them. I think you'll have to have a general who has a trait that he prefers them, then maybe you'll get a chance that any given battle could be one fought at night. I don't think we'll have torches though lighting up the battlefield for everyone - it would just be a real night battle.
Inside the mod, I bug the ever loving crap out of people. But I'm tired of the subtitle, so I'll probably change it soon.
Night battles have been set up but I don't know if we've followed through on implementing them. I think you'll have to have a general who has a trait that he prefers them, then maybe you'll get a chance that any given battle could be one fought at night. I don't think we'll have torches though lighting up the battlefield for everyone - it would just be a real night battle.
I hope the germans get a load of bonuses for this, launching some Wodánáwulfoz into an enemy army at night would be one of the most fantastic things ever to be witnessed in a TW game!
Foot
Tellos Athenaios
10-21-2006, 17:57
Well, the console_command toggle_perfect_spy at the start of the script may have something to do with this ;)
That'd be odd: XGM uses the same command, and for as far as I know this doesn't affect the info you get with FOW off.
The_Mark
10-22-2006, 14:23
It does. It should. At least we can see every unit in an army with the FOW off.
Tellos Athenaios
10-22-2006, 16:21
Well I have recently tried playing with FOW off, and you know what: those question marks still appeared everywhere.
The_Mark
10-22-2006, 16:25
That's strange. If you have an odd number of correct console_command toggle_perfect_spys in your scripts it should display all units.
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