View Full Version : EA outdoes itselve on this one,
http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=13049860
Basicly you are paying for spyware and ingame adds, no BF2142 for me. For you as well I hope, this goes too far.
Mikeus Caesar
10-17-2006, 16:33
No way am i getting it. I mean, come on, this 'other' mysterious scanning stuff might record everything, right down to the software on my computer.
Issues of privacy abound.
Well, that solves that. I was actually thinking of buying the full version, but with this ... no way, no way in hell.
Blodrast
10-17-2006, 20:38
Tsk, tsk, y'all have anything to hide ? It's for your own good, really, think of all the targeted advertising you'll get, ads tailored to your personal tastes and interests, what's wrong with that ?
Oh, and rest assured that all your information is strictly confidential, between EA and its designated business partners, and we'll never misuse it or anything. No, sirree.
Grey_Fox
10-17-2006, 21:28
Why do you hate freedom?
I'd like to see the spyware claim substantiated somewhere else before I buy into that one.
However, the game will definitely have streaming ads that will be constantly downloading whether you want them to or not. For me, that's reason enough to stay away. In principle, I don't mind the concept of static ads in games where they make sense- ie: unobstrusive billboards in a racing game or around the inside of an arena in a sports game.... But what really irritates me is the fact that, obviously, the publisher is raking in money by putting ads into a game that I'm paying to play.
Do these ads make the games cheaper/free for me to buy? Hell no. Do these ads make a $50 game play like a $60 one? Nope. And I'm just talking about "static" in-game ads... I think that "streaming" in-game ads just goes beyond the pale.
In-game ads sound incredibly annoying and cheesy but they would not affect my purchase of the game. However the built in spyware reeeaaallly pisses me off. EA can go violate itself with a fat rusty pipe....
:furious3: :furious3: :furious3:
What a pity, I enjoyed the demo and was really looking forward to picking this one up. With this move EA has certainly confirmed the notion that it is the Great Satan of video game companies.
:wall:
Thanks for posting this thread, Fragony.
EA should be sued up the wazoo for this.
So should Starforce and all other upcoming integrated spyware/malware being shovelled onto game discs.
No wonder PC gaming is mostly-dead.
Great, another game publisher signed a deal with IGA Worldwide, the company that makes the spyware in BF 2142....
Codemasters joins the Axis of Evil!!! :dizzy2:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=10245
July 27, 2006
IGA Worldwide, Codemasters Sign In-Game Ad Deal
IGA Worldwide, Codemasters Sign In-Game Ad Deal In-game ad firm IGA Worldwide has announced that it has signed an exclusive multi-title, multi-platform agreement with developer and publisher Codemasters in order to deliver audio, video and billboard advertising content into and around several of the company's upcoming titles, including Brian Lara International Cricket 2007 and the next-generation version of Colin McRae Rally.
Advertisements will be delivered via IGA Worldwide's proprietary Radial in-game ad serving technology. The firm will exclusively manage dynamic ad sales into the range of titles, while its wholly-owned creative communications consultancy, IGA Hive, will be responsible for static ads, interactive product placement integrations and co-promotion activities.
"Advertising in games generates additional revenue that publishers can offset against product development costs," said Rod Cousens, CEO at Codemasters. "However, it's critical for the ad placements to complement the highly immersive gaming experience of our games across current and future platforms. Following significant due diligence on the market we believe that IGA is ideally placed to deliver on all of these key points."
"The fact that another of the world's leading videogame publishers has made the transition to IGA as a one-stop solution for their in-game advertising further demonstrates the strength and business value of our offering and our position as the leading independent company in the industry," said Justin Townsend, CEO of IGA Worldwide. "Codemasters' proven ability to deliver globally successful franchises will open up a whole new range of possibilities for the world's leading brands and agencies, enabling advertisers to reach their target demographics across an exciting range of game genres and platforms."
Big money at work here folks, $17 million worth...
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9961
July 5, 2006
IGA Worldwide Gets $17 Million In-Game Ad Funding
IGA Worldwide Gets $17 Million In-Game Ad Funding In-game ad firm IGA Worldwide announced a combined $5 million investment from Intel Capital and IGA's existing investor group to complete a Series A funding round that totals $17 million. A group of investors co-led by New York-based Easton Capital, Morgenthaler Ventures and including existing investor DN Capital had earlier subscribed to the Series A funding round initially announced at $12 million.
IGA Worldwide's proprietary ad serving network, Radial, enables advertisers to target game players across a wide range of platforms and genres while they play. It also provides strategic consulting services including integrated product placement and co-promotion through its wholly-owned communications consultancy, IGA Hive. IGA's major competitors in the in-game ad serving space include the now Microsoft-owned Massive Inc., Double Fusion, and Adscape Media.
IGA Worldwide confirmed that the company will use the funding to expand its relationships with publishers and continue to extend its global operations in support of a growing base of customers in North America, Europe and Asia.
"Intel Capital's investment in IGA Worldwide will be used to further accelerate our strategic relationship building program with the leading game publishers around the world," said IGA Worldwide CEO Justin Townsend. "As we see the in-game advertising market mature, the revenue from all forms of brand placements in games will be an important source of income for game publishers."
"The explosive growth of digital gaming is attracting millions of new users and is a key element of Intel's vision for the Digital Home," said Damien Callaghan, Strategic Investment Manager, Intel Capital. "IGA's products enhance this opportunity by enabling game developers and publishers to earn additional revenue ensuring the continuation of a vibrant industry - an issue of importance to Intel and its customers."
Q&A with the CEO of IGA...
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=11300
October 17, 2006
Q&A: IGA's Townsend On BF2142 In-Game Ads
Q&A: IGA's Townsend On BF2142 In-Game Ads Talking to Gamasutra, IGA Worldwide CEO Justin Townsend has explained his company's work with EA on Battlefield 2142's in-game ads, following earlier controversy over a disclaimer shipped with the European version of the game.
The disclaimer had some users concerned over what they termed 'spyware' related to the dynamic in-game advertising supplied by IGA. But Townsend made it clear that IGA "does not capture any personally identifiable information" for those playing BF2142, going on to explain exactly what details the game's users are supplying when they play.
IGA's In-Game Ad Capture Specifics
Specifically, IGA's software uses the IP address for geotargeting of in-game ads (so that European ads are not shown to those in the U.S., for example). It also creates a unique user number that's generated locally, and is able to re-identify the gamer when he next appears online.
In addition, IGA's in-game ad solution does capture the time of day that the user started to play each gaming session - Townsend mentioned, as an example, that "if the brief says 'Males 18 to 34'", the ads may only be served between 6pm and 9pm on a weekday evening or similar, to replicate 'primetime' viewing.
The time that each ad impression takes place is also recorded by IGA, alongside what type of ad content it was (billboard, megaboard, or video stream), the duration (how long was the ad seen for), the size of the ad relative to the player, and the angle of deflection (what angle the ad is viewed at).
Anonymity, The Need For Ads
IGA's Townsend went on to explain exactly why identifying specific consumers is not part of his company's goal, explaining: "In the advertising sector, generally you have two very distinct forms of advertising - above the line and below the line."
The company's advertising is 'above the line', which is to say that it's communicating the brand image, much like TV, and it's not 'below the line' advertising like the Internet & direct mail which seeks to get into a dialogue or a transaction with the consumer. Thus, Townsend explained that there's no need to know who exactly customers are. He clarified: "For us, all we need to do is to make sure we are serving the right ads to the right IP."
Regarding today's online controversy, Townsend noted that "you are always going have that hardcore vocal minority" who don't want in-game ads. But he suggested that if those same people "knew the kind of painful transition that most publishers are going through right now", they might approve of in-game ads as an important financial support function for next-gen titles.
He particularly commented: "If gamers still want to have a high amount of good quality titles year in and year out, there needs to be alternate revenue streams" for next-gen gaming - IGA clearly sees in-game advertising as a notable example of this.
IGA's In-Game Ad Capture Specifics
Finally, when asked about the suitability of the in-game ad creative for Battlefield 2142, which is somewhat of a futuristic title, Townsend explained that the company is "actually getting brands to do specific creative for games" to enable those brands to blend in better in the game.
Addressing BF2142 itself, Townsend, who noted that he is a fan of the series and is currently playing Battlefield 2, explained that "it's near future", in the sense that "...there are no laser beams being shot around." Thus, "because it's predominantly set in urban environemnts", a lot of the creative for the ads in the game "is generic, or will be adapted to suit the near-future element."
The good news is that the gaming community's reaction to this has been positively explosive and overwhelmingly negative. EA had to lock up its UK BF2142 forums because of the outcry.
Samurai Waki
10-18-2006, 05:18
Well I think Starforce has seen the last of it's days anyway, after that little Gal Civ 2 mess, their main costumer Ubi decidedly dropped the product.
Thanks for the info Spino. That last article you posted was the info I was looking for. So they collect personal info like your age, IP address and when you play so that they can better target you with ads. I guess they'd better lump me in with that so-called "vocal minority" who thinks that's absolutely outrageous. :furious3:
He particularly commented: "If gamers still want to have a high amount of good quality titles year in and year out, there needs to be alternate revenue streams" for next-gen gaming - IGA clearly sees in-game advertising as a notable example of this.Here I thought my $50 a game was paying for "development costs". Honestly, if they were giving away the games for free it'd be at least understandable to cram them with spyware and ads to generate revenue- but we're already shelling out our hard earned cash to buy these.:no:
I refuse to pay full price for a game that's going to make money off of me by collecting personal information and barraging me with advertising.
AntiochusIII
10-18-2006, 06:34
See, this is kind of a reason why internet piracy of everything under the sun is such a popular thing.
...and increasingly morally justifiable day by day, which is kind of sad in and of itself. A paying customer got a worse product than that of a torrent downloader's.
I wish there are more indie game developers like Mount&Blade's Taleworlds coming up; it's always the indies that save the day when mainstream companies have gone mad. I was gleefully happy to pay 15$ or so to play the full game; I felt cheated when I paid some other games out of the bargain bin.
doc_bean
10-18-2006, 08:46
I hope the EU is going to sue the pants off of them....
They're supposed to care about privacy damnit !
Big King Sanctaphrax
10-18-2006, 11:53
"Advertising in games generates additional revenue that publishers can offset against product development costs,"
But are the people who actually have to put up with the adds going to see any savings because of this? I doubt it.
Lol, can we say overeaction...
You guys need to chill out a bit. Its not like theres not 1000 other programs that take your info already. Trust me, theres a whole lot better reasons not to get this game than this. :P
Lol, can we say overeaction...
You guys need to chill out a bit. Its not like theres not 1000 other programs that take your info already. Trust me, theres a whole lot better reasons not to get this game than this. :P
But for how many of those programs do you dish out 50$?
It's fine with me, if they charge less ... but to charge the same, and still put their customers through such an annoying process is too much.
With this move, I have a feeling that the game will not sell very well.
Mikeus Caesar
10-18-2006, 16:02
Lol, can we say overeaction...
You guys need to chill out a bit. Its not like theres not 1000 other programs that take your info already. Trust me, theres a whole lot better reasons not to get this game than this. :P
Yes, but i'm not going to willingly pay £35 for the privilege of having half a tonne of spyware and advertisement on my PC. They can sod off.
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-18-2006, 18:35
You guys are upset...
I pre-ordered. :wall:
edyzmedieval
10-18-2006, 19:11
You guys are upset...
I pre-ordered. :wall:
:laugh4:
I hope NFS Carbon doesn't have spyware...
Crazed Rabbit
10-18-2006, 20:15
You guys are upset...
I pre-ordered. :wall:
Cancel! Can you?
Crazed Rabbit
You guys are upset...
I pre-ordered. :wall:
Did you pay in full? If it was just the $5 EB deposit, you can tell them to stick it in their ear if they won't refund it. :sweatdrop:
Reenk Roink
10-19-2006, 00:58
http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=37926
Battlefield 2142 is starting to show up in stores left and right, and some early birds who managed to get their hands on a retail copy. Inside the box a slip of paper warns people that BF2142 will install monitoring software which reports "anonymous" information, such as IP and surfing habits, back to advertising companies in order to generate in-game ads in line with your possible purchasing interests. The flyer does say if you do not wish this to happen, to not install the game on an internet connected computer, which seems quite silly for a online multiplayer title.
Yep... It's true... :no: :shame:
Now, at first I was really looking forward to getting this game, seeing how enjoyable BF2 was for a long time (though it started to get repetitive like all games, it took much longer). But over the past month, my optimism about BF: 2142 lessened.
The screenshots looked bland to be honest, and when I played the demo (aside from it crashing incredibly often) I was unimpressed by the graphics. it looked like a reskinned BF2 to be honest. Not much improvement, plus it was bland (stop making backgrounds in north africa/middle east for God's sake, I want to see grass!).
The gameplay was almost identical too, it brought really nothing new.
But still I thought, the other levels could look better, and maybe the full version would show expanded gameplay.
Now this...
Now, I'm one of those people who thinks all those whiners about in game ads should suck it up. Ads are a part of life ok? Are you not going to drive because of billboards?
But this is frankly the most malicious thing ever by a game. Forget CD keys and registration/activation, they actually put spyware in your computer...
I just hope the demo didn't do the same...
Codemasters joins the Axis of Evil!!
Actually, Codemasters joined the Axis of Evil a very long time ago when they started putting Starforce into their games like Soldiers.
Alexander the Pretty Good
10-19-2006, 05:15
It was a $10 deposit, so if I don't pick it up/get a refund it isn't a total loss.
I'll wait and watch first, though... :juggle2:
Enough of a back lash and who knows...
If the spyware isn't bad enough, the fact that you seen any info on this until you buy the game is just bad.
That's can't be legal.
My first time in the Arena because the thread title was so intriguing: EA, outdoing itself? No way. However, I must admit that this tops even the worst of stories I've heard about EA.
I had a friend who relocated his family, worked for two weeks for them, and quit even before he received his first paycheck because the morale and environment were so bad. With them pulling things like this, I now understand why... who are the programmers who say, "Uh, sure, we'll put a load of spyware into a video game, sounds like fun." I don't get it.
Bob the Insane
10-20-2006, 13:36
Well, over reaction or not I was on the fence about getting this new version of Battlefield simply because I did not personally find it to be all that much better than BF2 (of course you need to place that statement in the context that I think BF2 is absolutely fantastic)...
There are some many good games coming out over the next month that I am not gasping for something new right now, I was on the fence about getting it and now boom, this... If I was dead set on the game it would not bother me that much, but when I feel this way I don't know, I think it just tips the balance against getting it.
It could be good for BF2142 in one way, only the most dedicated fans will be likely to pick it up which may in turn improve the quality of the gameplay on the servers...
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-20-2006, 15:12
I might just keep playing BF2, and start play Black Hawk Down again, and mabye RO, and forget about this. Like Hell I want Spyware on my comp. got over 1400,don't need anymore.. BF2, I'm here to stay, BHD and RO, here I come, BF2142, forget ya :-)
Well it isn't that bad after all
https://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2286/resizeofbf2142adds1wt3.jpg
Is that all Fragony? You had me worried for a minute.
Is that all Fragony? You had me worried for a minute.
In that minute we tracked you down, now we know your adress, spending behaviour, social security, and creditcard for future transactions, is there anything else we can do to enrich your gaming experience?
Ah we know what you are going to say, we really do.
Mikeus Caesar
10-20-2006, 16:25
In the grim future of BF2142, there is only war a ridiculous amount of advertisements.
PA speaks:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/20061020.jpg
In that minute we tracked you down, now we know your adress, spending behaviour, social security, and creditcard for future transactions, is there anything else we can do to enrich your gaming experience?
Yes, where can I download the patch?
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-20-2006, 17:52
I really wanted BF2142, but I Proably won't get it now. it bad enough Gamespy does it to me (yes, I find tracking cookies from GS) and such, I don't feel like having ppl trying to find out what I like to look at online..
PA speaks:
LOL! :laugh4:
Further proof, if one needed it, that Tycho can be a very disturbed individual when he wants to be. ~D
tibilicus
10-21-2006, 17:40
They will be tracking cookies if you use gamespy arcade warman. A cookie can only be stored in a browser thus i doubt by visiting the rtw you got a tracking cookie. ~;)
Remember that in the world of PC games you hand over the cash and then get to see the contract you have paid for (ie the EULA). This in itself is a business practice which in other areas would not generally be allowed by regulators or be wise for the consumer to accept. Add to this debacles like Starforce and this new innovation by EA and you get the impression that the business really needs to grow up.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-22-2006, 01:44
They will be tracking cookies if you use gamespy arcade warman. A cookie can only be stored in a browser thus i doubt by visiting the rtw you got a tracking cookie. ~;)
Yea I know. I visit gamespy.com for Ladder stuff,that's why :wall: :sweatdrop:
the EULA crap is like selling your soul to the devil. Who even reads/follows that stuff anyhow??
the EULA crap is like selling your soul to the devil. Who even reads/follows that stuff anyhow??
I know I don't.
But i do know there are certain customer interest groups and other people who do read at least some of them and would alert people if something was completely wrong...I hope...
Then again, fooling millions of customers with some evil EULA would only work once, it would probably be a worse debacle than StarForce.
It isn't necessarily the content of the EULA, it is the fact that they take your money and then show you the contract, rather than the otherway around.
AntiochusIII
10-22-2006, 04:15
Well, the fact that buying software has been treated as a contracting license instead of, you know, buying the stuff is pretty messed up to begin with.
x-dANGEr
10-22-2006, 07:46
It isn't necessarily the content of the EULA, it is the fact that they take your money and then show you the contract, rather than the otherway around.
As in you don't know what you're buying (Besides the game..).
the EULA crap is like selling your soul to the devil. Who even reads/follows that stuff anyhow??
The EULA is essentially a contract in which the company waives any and all responsibility.
Long contract short ... they are not responsible for anything.
It isn't necessarily the content of the EULA, it is the fact that they take your money and then show you the contract, rather than the otherway around.
I agree there.
As in you don't know what you're buying (Besides the game..).
That is just it though, you are not buying the game. You are merely buying a license to install and use the software.
Zalmoxis
10-23-2006, 06:35
I read somewhere that all the programs in BF 2142 do is monitor how you are looking at in-game billboards (distance from them, angle at which you look) to determine how much they charge for each, but I don't know...
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-23-2006, 20:08
I might get it, I just don't want it to clog my comp up with 500 spyware :-( ..
Fragony, that picture was hilarious. :laugh4:
Catiline
10-25-2006, 11:20
The over reaction to this is absurd. It's largely i think EA bashing for the sake of it. When you look at what this software actually does it's hardly terribly menacing - it traks your IP to target that ads in game, and it reports some ingame stats about howmuch of an ad you see. All games where this can be sensibly done (and probably many where it can't) are likely to have this sort of advertising in short order – simple market economics mean that the publishers and developers will fall over themselves for the extra revenue. EA just has the resources and market clout to do it now.
What they aren’t doing is installing spyware that tracks your every activity online, it simply refers to the in game experience of BF2142. If that’s not affected by this I personally have no issues with it. I get enough localised stuff on web pages based on analysis of where my IP address is, this isn’t fundamentally any different except that impression data within the game is tracked.
Hell, if they made an award for it where by you got a badge for in game viewing time imagine the kills you’d get. ‘Hey WTF, why’d you kill me in need 10 minutes IAR of billboard viewing’
I thought it would scan your surfing habits as well, wasn't it Google who had this great idea of recording your background sounds via your PC microphone, convert that data on your PC, trying to figure out any TV program you might be watching, and send data to google so they can send you content related ads?
In any way I do not particularly like the idea of my Computer being busy to calculate data for ads all day long. This raises my energy costs, lowers my gaming performance(idf even by only 0.01%) and is completely superfluous since I am not rich enough to buy all that stuff anyway.:dizzy2:
They are wasting my time and time is a ressource.:whip:
I thought it would scan your surfing habits as well, wasn't it Google who had this great idea of recording your background sounds via your PC microphone, convert that data on your PC, trying to figure out any TV program you might be watching, and send data to google so they can send you content related ads?
In any way I do not particularly like the idea of my Computer being busy to calculate data for ads all day long. This raises my energy costs, lowers my gaming performance(idf even by only 0.01%) and is completely superfluous since I am not rich enough to buy all that stuff anyway.:dizzy2:
They are wasting my time and time is a ressource.:whip:
Although of course paying 50p a search on Google (with no targeted ads, which half the time seem more useful than the actual results anyway, especially when shopping) would be a vastly superior experience...
Abokasee
10-27-2006, 12:20
Well it isn't that bad after all
https://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2286/resizeofbf2142adds1wt3.jpg
Notice the game spy icon on their pockets and google in the distance... they better not do this in C&C3, that would just ruin it,and make the game lag like :furious3:
their is also shell on the back of the vehicles, and their are also other mayor petrol comapanies
Sir Moody
10-27-2006, 16:06
im having trouble working out wheter the post above is sarcasm or just plain stupid.... :help:
Mikeus Caesar
10-27-2006, 17:07
im having trouble working out wheter the post above is sarcasm or just plain stupid.... :help:
I was about to say the same thing...
~:confused:
doc_bean
10-27-2006, 17:23
Abokasee strikes again !
Mikeus Caesar
10-27-2006, 17:32
Abokasee strikes again !
What is Bartix?
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-27-2006, 17:55
I just don't want them to be Tracking EVERYthing I do online, that's the concern..
Sir Moody
10-27-2006, 18:53
its ok then as they dont track ANYTHING :dizzy2:
well allright they do track how long and from what angle you view the billboards... thats it
x-dANGEr
10-27-2006, 21:14
Can anyone give a rough estimation of how big their pockets will get because of these "ads" ?
Of course it might not pay at all and we might never see this again...
I just can't see it being too useful without the opportunity to follow links etc.
The idea that EA is using IGA's in-game spyware as a means by which they can better manage production costs while 'passing savings on to the consumer' is positively laughable. In fact that statement is probably so fantastical one could consider it to be obscene. The implementation of in-game ads is done purely in the name of boosting existing revenue. With console games selling for $50-60 you'd have to be incredible optimistic or silly in the head to think EA would actually lower the prices of PC games to scale with the success of in-game ad spyware like that found in BF2142. Why lower your profit margins if consumers are more than willing to pony up the cash?
Long ago EA used to be a great gaming company that actually cared about producing decent games. Somewhere along the way EA wound up being a typical US corporation that doesn't give a damn whether its selling games, tires or dildos. There's a good reason why so many people who work or have worked at EA positively hate the company; it's because it is painfully obvious that EA does not care about its customer base or the in-house and contracted developers who bust their collective asses to create quality games. Every time I see some promising developer or property ink a deal with or get bought by EA I get a bit depressed and feel like it's one more nail in the coffin of mainstream PC games. I think EA deserves every drop of venom and vitriol the gaming community throws its way.
Reverend Joe
10-27-2006, 22:12
EA says the spyware and in-game ads will add lots of revenue, eh?
Fine then. I have no problem with that.
Give us the game for free.
I wish there was a middle finger smilie.
Edit: :beatnik: Just remembered that one. (Look at it from afar; it really looks like it.)
It's a company. Legally it has to make money.
Where's the issue? If it pays...
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-30-2006, 00:02
Issue is, I don't want spyware on my comptuer from a Game. I already got over 1600 spyware (all blocked/deleted) so I don't need anymore to block and/or delete..
http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=13049860
Basicly you are paying for spyware and ingame adds, no BF2142 for me. For you as well I hope, this goes too far.
Heh, go figure. What better way to make money than to put targeted advertisements in a popular multiplayer game.
Personally, I'm not a big fan of the battlefield series anyways, due to the fact that none of them have any real single player component and are purely multiplayer.
Let's just hope that this will not be a growing trend for all other publishers. Not to mention, that the ads in this pic look so out of place and poorly integrated. It hurts my eyes. lol
https://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2286/resizeofbf2142adds1wt3.jpg
Mongoose
10-30-2006, 01:02
Good lord... is it really as bad as it is in that pic?
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
:laugh4: I'm pretty sure that's photoshoped.
Anyways, here's a clip about this from G4TV:
http://www.g4tv.com/pile_player.aspx?video_key=13498
I play it, and have managed to reach Seargeant Major Gold (should be more if it hadn't been for the lousy statlogging).
Let me tell you something, I have noticed nothing in the way of ads on the billboards. I simply haven't noticed it. Either it isn't there, or the colours are pretty well downplayed so that I'm not drawn to them. So nobody should fear the immersion at least.
And as many people have already said, it doesn't log what you do otherwise outside the game. I call it overreaction.
However if any company deserves the response it is EA. It is easily believeable that EA could do the screenshot Fragony presented...
However I didn't really know these things when I got it, and only noticed it when peolpe began talking about it alot. But as mentioned I have noticed nothing... NOTHING!
Alexander the Pretty Good
11-03-2006, 05:01
I've heard that the adds will come later, after more people are hooked. :book:
I don't think I'm gonna pick up my pre-order copy. :wall:
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