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ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-24-2006, 01:46
Hey,
Will All of you Old MP Players (like me) going to play online,or no? Will anyone of you new people care to tryout the MP:egypt: or will you MP Guys wait for a good/bad verdict??
I'm going to jump right into it,because of my clan BHC,which needs my upmost attention..
Comrade Alexeo
10-24-2006, 01:52
Man, you're obsessive about this aren't you :laugh4:
I'll probably concentrate on my HRE long campaign first, but I imagine I'll pop in every once in a while, crush players such as yourself, and then go back to conquering :2thumbsup:
ProudNerd
10-24-2006, 01:53
if the interface isn’t as horrible as Romes and all the games are compatible I will. I have gold edition and there barley any games I can play and for those I usually get one of those stinking totally uninformative "failed to join game" errors.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-24-2006, 01:54
Yes I am. I'll do some Customs battles before I go onlnie, famialize myself with the stuff..
Crush players like me, I been around 2 years 7 months online, I like to see what you can do on MTW2 :-) :-)
Comrade Alexeo
10-24-2006, 01:59
Yes I am. I'll do some Customs battles before I go onlnie, famialize myself with the stuff..
Crush players like me, I been around 2 years 7 months online, I like to see what you can do on MTW2 :-) :-)
Oh, I've beaten you before mate...
...that's what a lot of studying :book: various troop formations in custom battles can do :yes:
Will All of you Old MP Players (like me)
:inquisitive:
Thats a bold statement for someone who almost only have seen the rotten era of rtw. :dizzy2:
Nothing wrong with a little boldness though but you need a little bonk on the head :smash:
:2thumbsup:
Kalle
x-dANGEr
10-24-2006, 09:14
Gah, if I find you online Kalle, I will teach some "new" MP players buisness .. ~;)
Crush players like me, I been around 2 years 7 months online, I like to see what you can do on MTW2 :-) :-)
Period of times means squat to do with skill, especially with a new game.
Marius Dynamite
10-24-2006, 13:04
I will probably play a campaign as England and Scotland then go to multiplayer. While doing the campaign I will probably still go to multiplayer sometimes only because of Clan duty :egypt:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-24-2006, 15:16
:inquisitive:
Thats a bold statement for someone who almost only have seen the rotten era of rtw. :dizzy2:
Nothing wrong with a little boldness though but you need a little bonk on the head :smash:
:2thumbsup:
Kalle
I been alround for both and towards the ending of MTW
Monarch, yes, but Unlike most of you, I have Expericen with the First MTW, which will carry over to MTW2 :egypt:
I'm giving the multiplayer aspect of the game a go :2thumbsup: :clown:
I've player some of SHogun's multiplayer, But my main chucnk of Multiplaying comes from Medieval, since i barely touched Rome's, it was bad.
If they can make Medieval 2's multiplayer near as good, as the multiplayer was during Medieval:TW:VI i just might give it a go
Perhaps.
I'll give it a long try and then see whether it is worth staying or not.
Its not like I am going to spend much time on SP for sure.
I won't be able to play it though until early december. Guess that gives them hopefully enough time to release the first patch.
Only games I play online are FPS, I only play strategy games for campaigns/custom battles.
Orda Khan
10-28-2006, 13:20
MP battles are like Custom battles Dan.06, only your opponent/s are HI not AI. MP attraction depends on the quality of the server and lobby, which is why nobody bothered with Rome or BI. With a smooth server like MTW and VI and a lobby of STW standard, MP would be enjoyable providing the balance is better than awful mess of RTW
.......Orda
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-28-2006, 14:27
Very much Correct Orda. One Reson alot of "Old" players left RTW, and some even left TW for good, was because there was to many people using high money and greece and such, Bugs, To many Ploblems with GS and such. if things get fix in MTW2, mabye it will change for the better..
Perhaps.
I'll give it a long try and then see whether it is worth staying or not.
Its not like I am going to spend much time on SP for sure.
I won't be able to play it though until early december. Guess that gives them hopefully enough time to release the first patch.
There already is a patch that will be released on first day, jay! :)
Until then, we could only dream the dream of gory days :D
Annie
Until then, we could only dream the dream of gory days :D
Annie
~:eek: but Annie! ... ~;)
I am surprised that no one mentions NTW2. If I may say so it is a BLOODY good game. ~D
And yes you have quality opponents. ~;)
Monarch, yes, but Unlike most of you, I have Expericen with the First MTW, which will carry over to MTW2 :egypt:
You misunderstood me. Let me offer an anecdote:
You could give a monkey a computer and let him play total war for 50 years, he'd still be rubbish. The amount of time you play, doesn't mean you'll be any good.
Faenaris
10-28-2006, 17:19
You misunderstood me. Let me offer an anecdote:
You could give a monkey a computer and let him play total war for 50 years, he'd still be rubbish. The amount of time you play, doesn't mean you'll be any good.
Indeed. Even the biggest MTW MP "vet" will need time to familiarize himself with the units. It's not because you have MTW experience that you will automatically "pwn" everyone else. It's like Chess: You have a large chance of defeating a newcomer, but the newbie can actually hurt you and even win from time to time. In MTW, I had a nasty surprise from a newbie and he kicked my ass so hard, I returned to single player battles in order to train myself a bit more. :)
Anyway, I hope M2TW online is way more stable than RTW online. If it is and I can find some "mature" players (aka players that don't spam the uberunit to death), I will stick around.
cromwell
10-28-2006, 17:26
I will be playing MP almost exclusively. I know a couple of other old FEAR members who are waiting for MTW2, so we may see the rise of a few old clans.
I hope the lobby is better this time around.
Cromwell
Prince of the Poodles
10-28-2006, 17:34
MTW and MTWVI MP was great fun. I played it far, far more than the campaigns. Im very excited to see if theyve made it better since the huge letdown RTW was.
Vinsitor
10-28-2006, 18:09
:inquisitive:
Thats a bold statement for someone who almost only have seen the rotten era of rtw. :dizzy2:
Nothing wrong with a little boldness though but you need a little bonk on the head :smash:
:2thumbsup:
Kalle
:2thumbsup:
LunaRossa clan will be on the battleground again :yes: I hope with all the ancient clans
x-dANGEr
10-28-2006, 18:51
I will be playing MP almost exclusively. I know a couple of other old FEAR members who are waiting for MTW2, so we may see the rise of a few old clans.
I hope the lobby is better this time around.
Cromwell
What happened to FearofNC.. He decided to get back in game (In BI) and revive FEAR clan a few months back.. I even had a couple of games with him (In which I won, but he thought that the game was imbalanced through that.. I had 6 units of tanks (Gah, yes tanks <--- Clibs) that simply were able to kill both his army and his ally's (RTKDagonet)) but he shows no more.. Has he forgot about it or anything?
Cesare diBorja
10-28-2006, 19:20
nothing
lol 6 clibs, must have been a great, thrilling tactical game v_v
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-29-2006, 02:06
You misunderstood me. Let me offer an anecdote:
You could give a monkey a computer and let him play total war for 50 years, he'd still be rubbish. The amount of time you play, doesn't mean you'll be any good.
think I also got misunderstood.
I meant, I got expericene from the first MTW,that will carry over, but yes, I will need time to famailize myself with the new units and such before I can be back Old School Again..
KukriKhan
10-29-2006, 03:45
I'll go to MP immediately after install, to see if it works, and what kind of hoops one needs to jump thru to get a game. Probably/hopefully play a game or two using random units just to test the server. If you're looking for an easy early win, look for me. :)
If it's a big hassle, I'll stay away for awhile until issues get resolved, and start SP campaigns, to learn the finer details of the game.
Ituralde
10-29-2006, 10:04
I plan on diving into the MP experience in M2TW but probably not after I've played the campaign for some time. Singleplayer still has first position in my heart.
Tried MP a bit for R:TW but it was just too repulsing to keep it up. I hope my main hindrance in M2:TW will be my crappy computer for the first few months until I get around to upgrading my system.
Cheers!
Ituralde
~:eek: but Annie! ... ~;)
I am surprised that no one mentions NTW2. If I may say so it is a BLOODY good game. ~D
And yes you have quality opponents. ~;)
Hah. I dont want to sound too bad. NTW2 looks very good and the designers did really put lots of work in it which is showing clearly in the game. Unfortunately, it still suffers from the same problems RTW does, which are all related to the battle engine. And cannot be modded away.
One major flaw is that it is completely irrelevant whether a shooting unit is deployed thinly or deeply for shooting effectiveness. In fact deploying in depth actually makes them much more effective shooters since they'll occupy less room so you can have more units on a smaller front... So I really rather play NTW 1 instead. On the other hand I really hope translating NTW 2 to M2TW would be a relative easy thing to do.
I`ll probably dip my feet in the mp from time to time for the first few months. The sp side of the totalwar games has always been my favourite aspect. Once Ive finished a few campaigns i`ll prob jump online and get trained by my clanmates, it saves having to figure out everything myself :)
LunaRossa clan will be on the battleground again I hope with all the ancient clans
I would be most happy to see LunaRossa on the field again :2thumbsup: Aswell as Fears and others :2thumbsup:
Kalle
I'll definitely give M2TW MP a try, let's say for a month or two. Then we shall see if it worth raising the clans :)
Annie
t1master
10-30-2006, 16:10
depends...
i'm more optimistic about the demo than rome's...
but i'll still need to wait and see some reactions of how the lobby is, and how well the game actually functions.
i think i need a new graphics card, after the lag i got in the demo, so it'd be a bigger upgrade to play than i want or can afford.
I dont plan on getting M2TW so no MP for me.
CBR
The game runs fine on my machine, but I can't play multiplayer because AthlonXP cpu is not supported.
x-dANGEr
10-30-2006, 16:45
Puzz3D, I read your explanation for that, and I have to say something.. Maybe AthlonXP vs AthlonXP works? As I guess both CPU-s with count/calculate the same..
cromwell
10-30-2006, 16:57
FearofNC was playing a few months ago, we had a few great games together and he was still as good as ever. NC moved from Hawaii back to the mainland, and I think he's trying to get his personal life back up and running.
FearSimbol will also be back once MTW2 is out, so I look forward to playing with both.
Maybe AMP will come back too!!
Later
Cromwell
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-30-2006, 17:33
I dont plan on getting M2TW so no MP for me.
CBR
why won't you get MTW2 m8? Want to wait to hear what other vets say or just don't like it? just curious.
Yea, I like to see alot of the old MTW clans (like mine) raise up again,be good.
|Heerbann|_Di3Hard
10-30-2006, 17:49
It depends on the quality of the multiplayer mode. Is it playable like MTW Vi, Is 3vs3 and 4vs4 possible (without lag and with normal sized units (no 20 men cav units LoL), how stable is the mp mode. If you can say yes to all points, I will play M2TW MP. Otherwise I don't buy the game.
Orda Khan
10-30-2006, 18:44
It depends on the quality of the multiplayer mode. Is it playable like MTW Vi, Is 3vs3 and 4vs4 possible (without lag and with normal sized units (no 20 men cav units LoL), how stable is the mp mode. If you can say yes to all points, I will play M2TW MP. Otherwise I don't buy the game.
This is the main worry with MP. I honestly can't see it being as smooth and lag free as VI. I have my doubts whether a 4v4 will actually be possible, even on highest spec machines. Silly small units just don't look right. At least the RTW Spam fest may have been addressed but of course, the demo tells us little about balance. If the balance is similar to RTW it won't be worth bothering
.......Orda
why won't you get MTW2 m8? Want to wait to hear what other vets say or just don't like it? just curious.
I just dont like what I have seen in the demo. Sure the movement has been reduced, but apart from that its just the RTW engine with a few changes. Not enough for me to start enjoying it Im afraid.
CBR
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-30-2006, 20:42
Mabye it won't be So Bad
MP wise, it will make or break the way I like MP. if it bad, I ay play it for years to come online, or I may just leave the RTW/MTW2 MP and go to the Orginial MTW/VI, where I am now. If it Good, OFC I will Stay.
I`ll probably dip my feet in the mp from time to time for the first few months. The sp side of the totalwar games has always been my favourite aspect. Once Ive finished a few campaigns i`ll prob jump online and get trained by my clanmates, it saves having to figure out everything myself :)
Same...sort of. I find MP for fun over a longer period of time, I like 1, maybe two campaigns but then get bored quick of them.
But ye, like Wish, I'll play MP after a campaign or two :2thumbsup:
I doubt I'll be playing any standard MP battles, but a couple of my friends and I are very interested in playing against each other in some of the historical battles the game is supposed to include. My old roommate in particular is eager to lock horns with me in some of the French-English and English-Scottish battles that will hopefully be included. ~D I'm also looking forward to engaging my pals in some of the Crusader battles, although I have to hear which ones will be in the game.
Didn't have the opportunity to try MP with RTW. So i guess with broadband internet and a good video card i'll probably give it a try with MTW2.
I'm playing the demo without using "pause" these days in order to get more familiar with MP.
Now that everyone had a chance to say something...
*jester's hat on*
LadyAnn doesn't "do" any MP :)
Anniep
Vinsitor
10-31-2006, 00:23
Didn't have the opportunity to try MP with RTW. So i guess with broadband internet and a good video card i'll probably give it a try with MTW2.
I'm playing the demo without using "pause" these days in order to get more familiar with MP.
Hi IMP m8 nice to see you again :beam: did you ELITES try Guild Wars too? I'm sure I saw you sometime in the game :yes:
ProudNerd
10-31-2006, 00:35
I dont plan on getting M2TW so no MP for me.
CBR
Oh come on! We all knwo you'll get it.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-31-2006, 01:34
Now that everyone had a chance to say something...
*jester's hat on*
LadyAnn doesn't "do" any MP :)
Anniep
lol Ann, nice joke
Yea I used to do GW, but I lost interest in it every 1-2 months :sweatdrop: :shame:
RTKBarrett
10-31-2006, 01:41
Yeh first thing ill probs do is have a few games online with ppl i know, just having a laugh and seeing what comes out of the use of different units...
Then ofc ill attempt in conquering the world with England :book:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-31-2006, 01:56
Don't forget that your first game Should be Against, The King of All Kings, KingWarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmannnnnnnn 88
(quits doing his UFC annocers voice)
Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
10-31-2006, 13:21
Hi IMP m8 nice to see you again :beam: did you ELITES try Guild Wars too? I'm sure I saw you sometime in the game :yes:
Yes, there is a Elite Force guild in Guild War... I saw Fogolin playing for them...
On Topic: if I play MTW2 at all, it will be MP, I won't bother for SP/ campaign game at all. Will that happen? If MTW2 is like RTW, no. I'll rely on LadyAnn, Tempiic and Froggy feedback to make my opinion...
Louis,
Puzz3D, I read your explanation for that, and I have to say something.. Maybe AthlonXP vs AthlonXP works? As I guess both CPU-s with count/calculate the same..
Yes. So what?
What exactly is this Elite Force guild? Never heard of it.
As for guild wars, i played it twice. The graphics are nice but it remains a MMORPG, meaning not really RP but more or less another disguised Hack&Slash.
If u are interested with good roleplaying experience, buy NWN2. It will surely provide more intensive roleplay immersion than any MMO on the market.
My dream would be to have a game that combines CA rts/turnbased strategy game engine with NWN roleplaying engine. This game would be awesome. Like u roleplay your general, have it command huge armies on the field and manage a realm.
And if possible, in Westeros, from A song of Ice and Fire saga. Ah dreams... :embarassed:
Back on TOPIC: LadyAnn, dress up with your lovely Joan of Arc suit and meet us on the field. Come on, don't be shy :2thumbsup:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-31-2006, 14:38
Yea, I hope MTW2 is better. It looks ok from what I read from he MP Blog, but I and alot of other people can't tell untill the actual game comes out.
Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe
10-31-2006, 15:04
What exactly is this Elite Force guild? Never heard of it.
As for guild wars, i played it twice. The graphics are nice but it remains a MMORPG, meaning not really RP but more or less another disguised Hack&Slash.
Maybe a mistake, vinsitor may believe your Elite of Imperator, or another Elite. Elite Force is a very old german clan in TW. I don't know if they play RTW at all.
They also play Guild War and were ranked in the 100...
Louis,
Darth Nihilus
10-31-2006, 15:15
No, i get way too into the campaign.
Vinsitor
10-31-2006, 16:43
Maybe a mistake, vinsitor may believe your Elite of Imperator, or another Elite. Elite Force is a very old german clan in TW. I don't know if they play RTW at all.
They also play Guild War and were ranked in the 100...
Louis,
Yes you're right :dizzy2:
:oops: Sorry Imp for the misunderstanding, btw LunaRossas were allied with Kenchi in Shogun and with Elites too in Medieval. Ahhh what good times they were :yes:
PS: and I would for sure be very happy to see again LunaRossa's ancient "enemies" Wolves too :yes:
If you're talking of Grey Wolves, they've stopped playing RTW now but have already declared their intentions to play m2, at least at the start.
http://forums.grey-wolves.net/
Yes you're right :dizzy2:
:oops: Sorry Imp for the misunderstanding, btw LunaRossas were allied with Kenchi in Shogun and with Elites too in Medieval. Ahhh what good times they were :yes:
PS: and I would for sure be very happy to see again LunaRossa's ancient "enemies" Wolves too :yes:
Pas de prob, Vincitor. I'm a kind of newbie of Total War series and played only RTW campaigns so far.
But i would be interesting in MP, must be cool to battle 2vs2 for example. Do the guilds specialize in one army usually, like a german guild taking HRE all the time?
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-31-2006, 17:35
Not Really Imp,to my knowledge anyhow. We usally call them "clans" instead of "guilds". Some 2v2 teams may specailze in certain areas or something, but clans, not off hand I do.
x-dANGEr
10-31-2006, 17:37
Yes. So what?
So, you should be able to play with other AthlonXPs with no problems.. Rrrright?
The geographic-centric or language-centric clans such as Elite (German) or LunaRosa (Italian) or Centiberos (Spanish) or Les Marechaux (French), etc. would recruit from a common denominator, either by location or by language. But when they played, they would use the best armies for the situation.
We would expect nothing less from them :D
Anniep
So, you should be able to play with other AthlonXPs with no problems.. Rrrright?
That doesn't help me play with my clan against other clans. It also doesn't help you because AthlonXP users might be in your games.
x-dANGEr
10-31-2006, 20:17
So, it is not just AthlonXP in-compatible, it is all in all in-compatible (Which is where I was trying to get to). This basically means that MP is ruined all in all in M2TW, simply because a huge percentage of people have AthlonXPs..
Now, doesn't this feel wrong?!
frogbeastegg
10-31-2006, 22:32
I'll rely on LadyAnn, Tempiic and Froggy feedback to make my opinion...
Weee! I'm important! :tongueg:
I hope I'll be playing a bit of MP. If the rest of the Freedom Fighters are back then I shall be. If not likely I won't be either; our disappointments with RTW are very similar and so if the game doesn't suit some of us it's nearly certain it won't suit any of us.
[FF]frogbeastegg.
What was wrong exactly with RTW MP?
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
10-31-2006, 23:43
So, it is not just AthlonXP in-compatible, it is all in all in-compatible (Which is where I was trying to get to). This basically means that MP is ruined all in all in M2TW, simply because a huge percentage of people have AthlonXPs..
Now, doesn't this feel wrong?!
Well, can't the AthlonXP people play other ppl wtih AthlonXP comps then??
Well, can't the AthlonXP people play other ppl wtih AthlonXP comps then??
Probably, but what makes you think they will do that? Most players are not going to be aware of the problem.
x-dANGEr
11-01-2006, 15:16
Puzz3D, are you sure of this Athlon XP thing? Because if yes, hell am not getting M2: TW!!!
Kenchikuka will be also looking forward to Medieval 2, in frail hope it will be on the same gameplay and tactical field as the original. However, being based on the RTW engine one has his serious doubts. But we shall wait and see.
If the call to war is valid, our flag will rise once again as in the past.
...from a ghost of the past =) A salute to Tosa and the rest for maintaining this good old place in a great shape!
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-01-2006, 15:52
of course Puzz..
Yea Kenchikuka,hopefully you guys and the rest will come back :-)
I think you can't Judge MTW2 just because RTW was horrible,we all know that, but It might be the same, it might not. Even with two demos, we don't really know untill the actual game comes out.
What was wrong exactly with RTW MP?
Wrong at multiple levels, compound together making it untenable.
Don't want to make it sounds like whining, but here are some that came on top of my head:
FOYER:
1. color scheme red/yellow make it hard to the eye
2. difficult to maintain private convo and public convo (compared to MTW foyer)
3. cannot ban/ignore idiots
4. hard to know at a glance your buddy is on or in game
5. when your buddy goes in and out of game, he/she is deselected from your list of whom you are talking to. But you didn't know that. So you may end up talking to nobody the whole time and your friend was wondering why nobody was talking to him/her
The above making the foyer very unfriendly place.
GAME ENGINE
1. Impossible to play 4x4 and even 3x3, it is hard to get a decent frame rate, so people played at Normal, which as only 40 men per unit. That made the game looks like school kids running around in playground, not real armies.
2. Cav jumped over spears and kill a lot.
3. Speed of marching is too high, making attack/defense chancy.
4. Speed of units relative to each other is ridiculous: cav can't catch skirmishing archers sometimes.
5. Charge bonus loss when use waypoints (unit stop running in waypoints)
6. Archers could fire from all rank.
BALANCE
Everything is wrong :) Just kidding.
Balance is not bad when play at low denarii (6.5k to 8k) But people insists playing at 15k, which allows filling up the all 20 slots of roman army with legions and roman cav, or 20 cataphracts. Or 20 maidens.
PLAYERS
much less friendly, much less willing to learn. After beating the greek phalanx box for 100 times, I don't feel like beating them again. There is no skill to order 20 cataphracts in wedge running around in single group, overlapping each other.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-01-2006, 17:36
Very Well Said LadyAnn. People Usally play 12.5K-15K, because 6-8.5K is way way to low for RTW.
RTW MP was and still is horrilbe. Some people are willing to learn and such,but you got majorty of people who don't even care about the history of the clan they joined, yet who they play.
x-dANGEr
11-01-2006, 17:57
Time for some arguing..
1. Impossible to play 4x4 and even 3x3, it is hard to get a decent frame rate, so people played at Normal, which as only 40 men per unit. That made the game looks like school kids running around in playground, not real armies.
Well, it is because of the machines not keeping up with the game, not the game or game engine being bad.
2. Cav jumped over spears and kill a lot.
Well, that was fixed, so no need to talk about.
3. Speed of marching is too high, making attack/defense chancy.
Gah bah doh.. I wonder how can we live through it.. ~;)
4. Speed of units relative to each other is ridiculous: cav can't catch skirmishing archers sometimes.
Fatigue.
You gotta stay in the argument ;)
The question was "What wrong with RTW MP":
1. Precisely. I rather have MTW engine than RTW engine if the machines can't keep up with the engine. If it were doable in MTW, why not in RTW? "The graphics is much better" the argument goes. What's the use of better graphics but you can't play? BTW, there are plenty of people who didn't realize how poor their machines were and insist on playing with highest resolutions, reflections, grasses, shadows, smokes, etc. They play with background tasks running, etc.
2. Again, I said that was what's wrong for RTW, not M2TW. If it was fixed, good!
3. I clarify:
One unit attack another. Both started as stationary. The defending unit was watching the attacking unit. In one scenario, the defending saw the attacking unit start marching. The defending unit could issue a counter. In another scenario, the defending couldn't see the attacking unit marching, but when they actually see it, the attacking unit is already at melee distance. There is absolutely no chance to issue any counter. It has nothing todo with game play or skill. Speed in STW is fast, yet people could see and react.
4. Fatigue is broken.
You mean an infantry could run as fast as a horse until both get tired? :D
Annie
Well that's the unlucky thing about it isn't it? RTW was a victim of its 'success.'
STW and MTW were perhaps much uglier than Rome, harder to the initiate but they were the best top-down tactical strategy I ever played, and I played a lot There was little attention to the niceties, if 4x4 lagged you just lowered the resolution or detail and you were good to go. Units were ugly, but who cared?
To play big battles in Rome you have to lower the resolution and detail, which had big side effects. For example, I could not distinguish units from distance. Of course, I could just hover my cursor over it, or double-click the unit to get an awesome 3-d close-up view of it. But (at least myself) I was used to other things, such as micro-managing my army to the last detail. In STW/MTW units were ugly 2-d sprites, but for tactical purposes they served much better than any 3-d award-winning feat of technology. Grouping was ackward, and the advantages of it limited. Anyway, overall it was simply a very different game.
The points mentioned above by LadyAnn just add to the bad flavor. We had a tight-knit community once (not free of drama :)) then I read about online chat being disabled because of too many kids posting crap on it. What the hell was that?
The final thing is, horrible as it is, RTW was by far the highest-rated TW game by mags and sites worldwide, and probably attracted more buyers and gamers than both the previous TW games put together,
So it wasn't perhaps 'horrible'. It was great for many, but perhaps horrible for us who remembered Total War in a very different manner.
Now, who tells me MTW2 is back to the roots and that RTW was a 'mistake'?
For sure we can lag each other to death with MTW2 :))
That will be some long lasting battles.
Anyway Tera, been playing the demo extensively and I predict that cav is still going to be the main offensive weapon, it is still very powerfull.
And I foresee a huge deabte over the level of denaris. been playing with valor 0
units, battles are over a lot quicker due of faster routing than the original demo.
Then again they might have fixed that in the later version. I am not pessimistic about it though. the feel is very similar as MTW.
Lag is going to be a big problem whatever setting and it is not only the graphics causing it. Did test with RTW lan games when it just came out. The game itself is simpy very demanding for a cpu.
Puzz3D, are you sure of this Athlon XP thing? Because if yes, hell am not getting M2: TW!!!
Palamedes said AthlonXP cpu was not supported for MP. I don't foresee the game having a feature which prevents AthlonXP users from playing online. If it does, there won't be a problem for non-AthlonXP users. If it doesn't have such a feature, you're going to have to ask the players in the game if they have an AthlonXP cpu or just take your chances and hope that the battle doesn't desync. Even if an AthlonXP is in the battle, there is a chance it could work ok, but all the battles won't work ok because, if they did, then AthlonXP would be supported for MP. We don't know how severe the problem is yet.
STW and MTW were perhaps much uglier than Rome, harder to the initiate but they were the best top-down tactical strategy I ever played, and I played a lot There was little attention to the niceties, if 4x4 lagged you just lowered the resolution or detail and you were good to go. Units were ugly, but who cared?
The fact is that the sprites in RTW/M2TW have worse resolution than the sprites in STW/MTW. No matter how good the 3D graphics are in RTW/M2TW, when you are viewing the battlefield at a normal playing distance, all the units are sprites. On top of that, in STW every man had a sashimono which clearly identified to which army he belonged. It's was not only easier to distinguish your units from enemy or allied units, but it was also easier to see what kind of unit they were. You never had to mouse over a unit to see what it was. All the important info was on the unit icons including fatigue level, so mouse movement was always focused on issuing movement orders to your units.
Original STW is the standard for MP not STW/MI, MTW, VI, RTW or BI. STW had the best balanced units with no need for a tax on more than 4 of one type. It had the best balanced factions. It had combined arms gameplay within a triple RPS system that worked. It had the correct morale level for the default 5000 koku money level. It had fatigue rates that were optimized for the size of the maps. It had a red zone system that prevented corner camping. It didn't have any artillery let alone siege artillery used inappropriately as anti-personnel weapons. It didn't have blatant fantasy units. It had cavalry that moved sufficiently faster than infantry but not excessively faster. It had hammer and anvil tactics that worked, and you didn't have to use cavalry for the hammer. It had good pacing in the battles rather than the long boring shootouts of MTW which stretched battles to 45 minutes or longer. The tactical gameplay was more about how you moved your units rather than what units you purchased. Coordinating your units better than your opponent coordinated his units was the key, and coordinating 16 units is no easy task despite the supposed slowness of the movement relative to someting like RTW. In fact, there is a lot more to do in an STW battle than in an RTW battle, and it's easy to become overwhelmed with the task. And finally, the online foyer in STW is the standard. It's the only Total War foyer that allowed players to create password protected rooms for conducting meetings or invitation only tournaments or training sessions.
STW is also the only Total War game that didn't require players to be connected to the matchmaking server while playing in battle and that increased the stability of the battles because it was one less machine to which each player has to be connected. There is no techincal reason why players have to remain connected to the matchmaking server while in a battle. This is something CA has forced on the players for CA's purposes. It does not improve multiplayer stability. In fact, it diminishes not only online stability of the battles but performance as well.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-02-2006, 00:19
I do like 20 units more then 16, give you slighty more of a choice to pick when you fight games,but,
Argeed Puzz. to Me, Depnding on the Game, MTW was a fast paced game like RTW, but, it was more thinking wise, in what to get and tatic wise, and in RTW, it was just pick a "good" army and click. Sure, in RTW< I fought Some Excellent, well not That, but Some Good Games on RTW, but MTW and even STW was twice as better..
|Heerbann|_Di3Hard
11-02-2006, 13:13
To play big battles in Rome you have to lower the resolution and detail, which had big side effects. For example, I could not distinguish units from distance. Of course, I could just hover my cursor over it, or double-click the unit to get an awesome 3-d close-up view of it. But (at least myself) I was used to other
I really hate the 3D graphics in RTW. I cannot recognize any unit, if they are far away. These graphics makes the game lag. MTW Vi graphics looks much better, if you want to play and not watch graphics. They can make a 3D Shooter with this graphics, but not a TW game. Thats the reason, why I have doubts, that M2TW will be good in MP.
things, such as micro-managing my army to the last detail. In STW/MTW units were ugly 2-d sprites, but for tactical purposes they served much better than any 3-d award-winning feat of technology. Grouping was ackward, and the advantages of it limited. Anyway, overall it was simply a very different game.
:yes:
The points mentioned above by LadyAnn just add to the bad flavor. We had a tight-knit community once (not free of drama :)) then I read about online chat being disabled because of too many kids posting crap on it. What the hell was that?
The lobby system and chat system in RTW are poor.
The final thing is, horrible as it is, RTW was by far the highest-rated TW game by mags and sites worldwide, and probably attracted more buyers and gamers than both the previous TW games put together,
The magazines don't compare the gameplay details with predecessor versions. They don't play multiplayer extensive. They haven't knowlegde. Most mags looks on the graphics, but they don't know, how much gameplay content RTW have lost, if you compare it with MTW Vi. RTW is a graphic dazzler for kids, that wants to play graphical "fast food" games.
So it wasn't perhaps 'horrible'. It was great for many, but perhaps horrible for us who remembered Total War in a very different manner.
The majority are casual player. They don't know the content depth of the Total War series. Of course a company must sell the games as much as they can. So they need these casual players. But they are not good for the gameplay. These gamers want fast game play with high end graphics without tactical depth. The result was RTW :thumbsdown:
Now, who tells me MTW2 is back to the roots and that RTW was a 'mistake'?
I think they did a litte step to MTW Vi, but I am afraid too less for experienced MTW players.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-02-2006, 15:56
Correct Heerbann. They Only like to give Good Graphics and these "neat" details about the SP and such, but toally Drop the F bomb on the Gamespy and AI, both for SP and MP..
x-dANGEr
11-02-2006, 23:05
You gotta stay in the argument ;)
It's annoying when you only have a couple of minutes, so you just fill in a couple of quick lines..
1. Precisely. I rather have MTW engine than RTW engine if the machines can't keep up with the engine. If it were doable in MTW, why not in RTW? "The graphics is much better" the argument goes. What's the use of better graphics but you can't play? BTW, there are plenty of people who didn't realize how poor their machines were and insist on playing with highest resolutions, reflections, grasses, shadows, smokes, etc. They play with background tasks running, etc.
Well, at any way, as I already said, they have done nothing wrong.. Going for the better isn't wrong IMO. I won't be able to run the new M2TW, but will I be complaining that I won't? Naah.
2. Again, I said that was what's wrong for RTW, not M2TW. If it was fixed, good!
It was fixed in RTW. Patch 1.3, even though it introduced another one, it got fixed by 1.5.
3. I clarify:
One unit attack another. Both started as stationary. The defending unit was watching the attacking unit. In one scenario, the defending saw the attacking unit start marching. The defending unit could issue a counter. In another scenario, the defending couldn't see the attacking unit marching, but when they actually see it, the attacking unit is already at melee distance. There is absolutely no chance to issue any counter. It has nothing todo with game play or skill. Speed in STW is fast, yet people could see and react. Yeah and?
4. Fatigue is broken.
You mean an infantry could run as fast as a horse until both get tired? :D
I mean a fresh Skirmisher/Archer can be able to outrun an "exhausted" horse that has at least 100 kilos on it.
I really hate the 3D graphics in RTW. I cannot recognize any unit, if they are far away.
Gah.. Actually, play on the lowest possible, and am still able to recognize the..
Yeah and?
The combination of higher speed and delayed response to movement orders in RTW favored the attacker. You could also say that the excessive fatigue in MTW favored the defender. STW had a better dynamic balance between attack and defense. M2TW might restore the dynamic balance, but...
It's Too Soon To Know. - The Orioles (http://www.rockabilly.nl/references/messages/orioles.htm)
x-dANGEr
11-03-2006, 13:46
Well, I agree that the delayed response times are "bad" in RTW..
Kenchi_Sulla
11-03-2006, 15:05
I think it's time for the game to be released so we can stop speculating and start testing :). I'm a bit worried about lag and desyncing problems, the game itself could be what we wish for.... At least we can be certain of one thing. The vanilla game must be good enough or all our hopes are shattered.
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