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Tomilias Pwnias
11-02-2006, 19:27
Why has my post been edited and locked, i have freedom of speach and am aloude to express my opinion. I did not do anything wrong and its not on!
Tomilias Pwnias
11-02-2006, 19:37
Please can you reply to this instead of deleting it, its called facing up to things. I would like to know why my previus two posts have been deleted, as far as i know non of the break your rules. You have just made me look a fool and i was already anoyed about what i first posted about and now you have just realy anoyed me, please do not just delete this... REPLY! im being civilised just like i have been in my previus posts!
Mithrandir
11-02-2006, 19:40
Why has my post been edited and locked, i have freedom of speach and am aloude to express my opinion. I did not do anything wrong and its not on!
As long as it doesn't break forum rules, it is allowed.
Your post violated most of the forum rules, hence it was deleted.
Before posting again, read the Forum Rules (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/Rules.shtml)
can't even wait for more then 10 minutes, tut tut http://209.85.48.11/6240/31/emo/6nono.gif
I tell you why:
-not breaking the forum rules
-constructive
-respectful
This is a community, not a site to injury other people.
Mithrandir
11-02-2006, 20:06
the above is contradicting with the post which was deleted.
Big King Sanctaphrax
11-02-2006, 20:18
i have freedom of speach
:laugh4:
actually, you don't have freedom of speech, even in America. You can say stuff like I wish (insert name here) was dead, but you can't say I am going to kill (insert name here). So you do have some freedom, but not it is not absolute. Why was this board moved over to this board anyway?
Yup correct, you can say what you want but you're not allowed to discriminate
Mithrandir
11-02-2006, 21:02
Or use foul language.
It was moved here because this is the place to complain about the big bad moderators.The EH is a fuzzy place, so no room for heated posts there.
Kralizec
11-02-2006, 21:12
freedom of speach
The Guild is a privately owned forum, so our right of free speech reaches only as far as the owners/administrators decide it goes. And for that matter, I don't think the rules are particulary constraining.
Just curious, what was the nature of this post?
Sasaki Kojiro
11-02-2006, 21:30
The Guild is a privately owned forum, so our right of free speech reaches only as far as the owners/administrators decide it goes. And for that matter, I don't think the rules are particulary constraining.
Just curious, what was the nature of this post?
An argument with another clan.
Mithrandir
11-02-2006, 21:32
using foul language.
I think Kraz means the reason of this thread
Kralizec
11-02-2006, 22:31
I think Kraz means the reason of this thread
No, I meant the post in the EH wich was removed (thanks Mith and Sasaki)
I'm ticked off when people use the internet to say stuff that would get them an instant slap-in-the-face in real life, and defend their say with "freedom of speech". This is not a public place, and you're not Voltaire. ~:rolleyes:
Marius Dynamite
11-02-2006, 22:34
I like to think people have freedom of speech to say anything, though everyone has freedom of Fist to knock someone out who says the wrong thing.
1st Person: I am going to Kill (Insert Name)
Rest of the World: Oh are you now? We will now be putting you on Trial.
Seems like a similar scenario in this post. Someone broke the rules so the owner dealt with it. Sounds fair to me.
CrossLOPER
11-02-2006, 23:02
*looks up*
That went by quickly.
the above is contradicting with the post which was deleted.
Is not contradiction because he was injurying 3 users from this site.
Or i'm understanding bad.
So I guess that guys gone.
I hear a lot of people talking about freedom of speech on an internet forum. The reality that most people have to understand is that such a thing does not exist at all on an internet forum. There are rules and guidelines which you agree to follow when you sign up to be a member here.
Even in real life, freedom of speech does not really exist. There are always limits for obvious reasons.
Freedom of speech ok, but another elemental right is the right to be treated with respect.
By insulting other people, you actually assault them mentally.
You always need to see freedom of speech in balance with other elemental human rights.
If you claim freedom of speech as an excuse for insulting people, you are abusing your right, which in most countries is not allowed.
Btw, in most countries there exist laws that punish you for insulting people. They're not often applied in "real life", but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-04-2006, 01:25
To Me, you can't insult people on this fourm, and not expect to get Warned. Oh SUre, I got warned here and at .com, while I presme and in some cases Actually Know, that the people who started crap with me got away with it (not joking).
No One Got Full Freedom of Speech or Actions, in Real Life,so to speak, or here.
Ok, I'm tomis mate so time to put a few things straight.
An argument with another clan.
You didn't read it properly. So not really a need to post is there.
I hear a lot of people talking about freedom of speech on an internet forum. The reality that most people have to understand is that such a thing does not exist at all on an internet forum. There are rules and guidelines which you agree to follow when you sign up to be a member here.
Even in real life, freedom of speech does not really exist. There are always limits for obvious reasons.
Freedom of speech ok, but another elemental right is the right to be treated with respect.
By insulting other people, you actually assault them mentally.
You always need to see freedom of speech in balance with other elemental human rights.
If you claim freedom of speech as an excuse for insulting people, you are abusing your right, which in most countries is not allowed.
Btw, in most countries there exist laws that punish you for insulting people. They're not often applied in "real life", but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Did you even read the original post? Because if you didn't then just why are you posting? In addition, if you had read the post you'd have seen there was no insults in it. It got deleted because the Org mods were trying to avoid an argument which may very well have followed, which I do not deny. However, jsut deleting a thread without even a PM is bad moderating (please don't give me any lectures on they're not robots, I was a mod/manager at a forum with around 50,000 members, which is now in the 100,000s).
So I guess that guys gone.
Again I must ask, what was the point of that post? You know, you don't have to post "vhrvyhbyhryah" for it to be spam.
Or use foul language.
Are you kidding me? I remember this direct quote from tomi's original post:
"Sorry for the bad language but thats the direct quote of what they said"
Again, a prime example of mods skimming the post, the bad word detector going off and it gets deleted.
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I'd just like to make one thing clear. I do believe the thread should have been closed, maybe not deleted because the only bad thing about the read would be the reaction, there was not much wrong with initial post.
I'm just saying that the mods didn't handle this amazingly. And that theres 10000 people in this thread that shouldn't be here. Tomi asked:
"I would like to know why my previus two posts have been deleted"
To which we get sarcy and wise ass comments, oh and lectures on freedom of speech, thanks for that by the way.
Ser Clegane
11-04-2006, 16:06
Some comments:
Are you kidding me? I remember this direct quote from tomi's original post:
"Sorry for the bad language but thats the direct quote of what they said"
It does not matter whether you just "quote" the bad language or whether it is your own "proprietary" bad language.
When you make a post you are responsible for the content, otherwise you might as well argue that you could link to a porn movie as long as you add a remark along the lines of "sorry for the porn, but it's from another site and I did not make the movie".
However, jsut deleting a thread without even a PM is bad moderating (please don't give me any lectures on they're not robots, I was a mod/manager at a forum with around 50,000 members, which is now in the 100,000s).
Tomi did receive PMs from the moderator who removed the thread (so much for "lecturing" others on how to moderate...). I do not quite see why a thread that did not contain anything apart from forum rule violations and an attempt to carry over animosities from other boards should not be removed.
I'm just saying that the mods didn't handle this amazingly. And that theres 10000 people in this thread that shouldn't be here. Tomi asked:
"I would like to know why my previus two posts have been deleted"
To which we get sarcy and wise ass comments, oh and lectures on freedom of speech, thanks for that by the way.
If he did not want other patrons to participate in the discussion about the removed thread, why did Tomi start a public discussion about the issue?
If he just wanted to discuss this with the responsible staff, a PM would have sufficed.
Regarding "free speech" - this point was brought up by Tomi in his opening post to justify the deleted thread. If he bring up this point, people seem to have every right to respond to it.
I appreciate that you stand up to defend your mate, however, chastising other patrons for responding to a thread that your mate started and discussiing points that he raised in this thread seems to be a bit over the top.
Mithrandir
11-04-2006, 18:14
I'm the moderator who did such a terrible job, so bear with me.
If a post contains just insults and bad language,
why should I not delete it ? The reason bad language is prohibbited on this forum is to shield younger children from it. Why would I just close it and leave the language there to be read?
Don;t get me wrong, I'm deeply impressed by your resume of moderating a larger forum than this, really, you are my idol, however that forum is not the org. Here other rules apply.
If you have issues with me, PM me, like it's explained here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=70621).
Sasaki Kojiro
11-04-2006, 20:02
An argument with another clan.
You didn't read it properly. So not really a need to post is there.
BHC Shame Total War Community!
:juggle2:
You here don't know me, but who-ever knows me from .com (or Kraxis from the Pond) knows I normally never agree with moderators. But imo this is a clear case. If I post "CA sucks" I deserve a warning and the post should be deleted. If I post "BHC sucks" I deserve a warning and the post should be deleted. It's in the rules it isn't allowed, so why should you discuss it, the mods are right and you can't change it.
Sometimes I don't see why .org doesn't have the rule: Don't discuss mod decisions, ofcourse it sounds pretty "agressive" and if you are some uber people. But it works better then this imo.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-05-2006, 00:46
Forgot to add me Stig, I know you :)
Same with Stig, I normally don't argee with mods ethier, but I argee with him on that point. If I said "RTW is a su.... game" I derseve a warning, which I did get in Feburaby. If you break a Rule, you get punish,in some cases mods make mistakes, but only in rare cases.
The Spartan (Returns)
11-05-2006, 00:53
Why has my post been edited and locked, i have freedom of speach and am aloude to express my opinion. I did not do anything wrong and its not on!well what did you say?
Topic is tired and needs a nap.
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