View Full Version : Officers use tazer on student
Kralizec
11-19-2006, 00:22
http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?ID=39010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs
The student wouldn't/couldn't show his ID. After being told to leave by the police, he did. One of the officers grabbed his arm, to wich he objected. The police did the natural thing and tazered him. The police kept telling him to stand up, and after refusing to cooperate again, tazered him some more.
wtf?!
Also, the student (who is of Iranian descent) will sue (http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39009) the university
CrossLOPER
11-19-2006, 00:56
Police tend to go a bit crazy at times. They could have just escorted him out.
AntiochusIII
11-19-2006, 01:16
I...don't really know what's going on in there.
The article only described the reactions -- and the video wasn't clear; was all that screaming the resulting of tazer? If yes, that's way messed up and we probably have another police brutality case here.
Kralizec
11-19-2006, 01:22
Here's another article on it: link (http://www.nbc4.tv/news/10325914/detail.html)
Officer: Stand up! Stand up! Stand up! Stand up! *BZZZZ* Stand up! Stand up!
Bystander: That's abuse of power!
Officer: Back off or we'll use the tazer on you too!
CrossLOPER
11-19-2006, 01:43
I...don't really know what's going on in there.
It opens with the student protesting the officers' grabbing him in an attempt to remove him. After being tasered once, he began screaming and declaring that he would have left on his own. After blaming the Patriot Act, he began berating the way in which the officers are conducting the situation and how they are abusing their power. At this point, the students overcame their initial shock, they began asking the officers for their info. The officers ignored these requests (focusing on the task at hand), and proceeded to threaten the student with another dose of shock. He refused to stand up and was shocked again, much harder and longer apparently as the screaming got louder.
At this point, the officers dragged him outside as the other students began closing in on the officers and pressing for their info. The police then proceeded to do the same routine of asking him to stand up and then shocking him for about five times. He is apparently cuffed after the first (in the hall). After the third, he begins to cry. After a little break, they do it one more time. At this point, he is probably unable to walk, but still able to yell and berate the officers in a much lower voice, which he does. Finally, the police apparently realize that they are being filmed and drag him out. All this time, the students are asking the officers to stop.
The video only lowers my opinion of these officers. I'm surprised they didn't knock him with their clubs.
Kralizec
11-19-2006, 01:52
edit: nevermind. Mods, please remove this post.
Rurik the Chieftain
11-19-2006, 03:24
Yeah, I've heard about incidents like this. It's one of those power and responsibility issues with "non lethal" weapons. Once people are told something is non lethal, they start to jump to the conclusion that it's OK to use for non-life threatening situations and compliance. A lot of people want tasers banned for this reason.
I bet he'll listen to the officers from now on. :idea2:
CrossLOPER
11-19-2006, 04:36
I bet he'll listen to the officers from now on. :idea2:
Officers should not be feared by anyone who is not considered a criminal.
Excessive force.
Did anyone notice the first person to speak up amongst all those 'men' was a woman ?
Crazed Rabbit
11-19-2006, 04:47
I think next time he will consider presenting his ID more promptly, and not resisting police every step of the way as they try to escort him out.
Crazed Rabbit
AntiochusIII
11-19-2006, 05:09
Thanks for the explanation. Now that I get a picture...wow.
If you're shocked by a tazer once -- may be you really can't stand up even if they try to force you to...
I think next time he will consider presenting his ID more promptly, and not resisting police every step of the way as they try to escort him out.Or he might be very angry with the police and actually become a criminal! :idea:
I'm not sure how anyone can defend the police beyond "the kid has it coming" or "they're just doing their job" or other kinds of tip-toe-tap-dancing arguments when they tazer him after he's on the ground like that.
The first time he could get up and he did but after the 2nd and specially the 3rd time no way he could have gotten up if he wanted to even. Anyway why does he have to be tasered in the first place, that just shows they failed to do their job.
I was REALLY drunk once and was walking home, met two armed cops on the way, I kinda freaked inside because I knew I was too drunk to walk and I'd probably get taken in for the night, probably to a freakin cell. I literally bumped right into the guy in front of me. They asked me some questions, produce ID, where you going, where you coming from etc. And then I was drunk so getting aggressive could have come easily, and they could tell. They stopped asking questions, and guess what ? They walked me home, helping me as I stumbled along the way. I made two friends that night. I came to the station where they were posted and the next time we all had a drink together, on me. Time after that they paid. I still meet them sometimes on the street as my home is in their juristiction, I see them on the street. And I always feel GOOD that those guys are the ones with guns. That's the way it's supposed to be.
You guys should watch the movie, CRASH. Very good movie.
ajaxfetish
11-19-2006, 05:23
I agree with Rose at the end of the Bruin article. The student was in the wrong when he did not comply. The officers were in the wrong when they repeatedly tasered him after he was completely in their power. Which is worse? In my opinion, the reaction of the officers is much more disturbing, and I hope this issue (which sounds like a broader problem on campus) is resolved soon for the safety of the students.
Ajax
CrossLOPER
11-19-2006, 05:30
Excessive force.
Did anyone notice the first person to speak up amongst all those 'men' was a woman ?
The men were too busy filming the scene. ~:thumb:
Should have got a closeup of that chick ~;)
Spetulhu
11-19-2006, 09:00
The student could have produced his ID immediately (or admitted he forgot it), but that's no reason to use force. Protesting when the cop grabs his arm is no reason either. There was no need to grab him as he was already leaving. When people are doing what I want them to do there's no reason to touch them. That would be me escalating the situation for no reason.
There are cops and security guards who do it like that, of course. Being brutal makes them feel good and they look efficient if things happen fast. And if they ever had friends they're at least not making any new ones.
I handle it the quiet way. Give people a while to think and they'll do as I want without fail. Who cares if I wait two minutes while some drunk drags his feet? He's still out after that and I don't have to write reports about use of force or tell it to a judge.
The men were too busy filming the scene. ~:thumb:
Quite wrong there, a few men started questioning the officers for thier information before she started the dramatic screams. The two men questioning the officer for thier information are admitedly a little hard to hear. I've yet to figure out why not one person did a thing to help that person when the "officers" didn't produce any information supporting that they are indeed officers. I'm also suprised that no one called 911, someone was being assualted.
As for the guy, he was acting a little crazy. Screaming and berating someone tends to get yourself beat, though that isnt an excuse for what anyone did to him. It's just one of those facts of life.
Yet to figure out why they tazzed him, he was walking out. Granted being an ass about it, but that is no way to use a violent "less then lethal" weapon on him. Just because something is "less then lethal" doesnt mean it doesnt cause major problems. Being repeatedly shocked with high voltage/low amp electricity has been known to cuase long term damage.
It's quite sad what happened, and sadder still that the people around him condoned it by doing nothing. Is there still a citizens arrest in California?
I don't see why they tasered this guys. It was wrong and wasn't needed. He wasn't threatening the officers was he? If not then they had no reason to even taser him. They could of forcible removed him from the place with no use of a taser or anything else.
I like the effects everyone having video cameras on them is having. Police can't get away with anything now.
"You beat him up until he died."
"Prove it."
"5 bystanders videoed it."
Plus apparently police in Britain will get helmet-mounted cameras too. So expect to see a lot of first-person police abuse on YouTube in future.
Sir Moody
11-20-2006, 15:20
Plus apparently police in Britain will get helmet-mounted cameras too. So expect to see a lot of first-person police abuse on YouTube in future.
actually expect to hear of a helmet shortage after all the camera mounted ones are stolen :laugh4:
back on topic though i dont see any reason to have tasered the kid - i really wonder whether his Iranian decent was the determining factor in this
ajaxfetish
11-20-2006, 16:22
I have an uncomfortable suspicion that had a lot to do with it.
Ajax
doc_bean
11-20-2006, 16:31
I hope the cops get thrown in jail ~:cheers:
Adrian II
11-20-2006, 16:39
(..) plans to file a lawsuit against university police Amazing. University police? Is that a separate police department or something? Man, you sure have some weird customs over there. Cattle prods, four-strong police patrols in libraries..
Is anyone surprised that if some dumbo in uniform uses a cattle prod on a student in a library, the result is a general disturbance, a lawsuit and a crapload of bad publicity?
:juggle2:
CrossLOPER
11-20-2006, 17:00
Is anyone surprised that if some dumbo in uniform uses a cattle prod on a student in a library, the result is a general disturbance, a lawsuit and a crapload of bad publicity?
:juggle2:
I'm sure someone will be "Absolutely shocked."
EDIT: Idiot.(Me not anyone else.)
Pannonian
11-20-2006, 17:24
I'm someone will be "Absolutely shocked."
You have to admit the police had an electrifying effect on the student.
Adrian II
11-20-2006, 17:33
I thik the original article said it best.
Meyerhoff Park was electric Friday afternoon when more than 400 students, faculty, staff, parents and community members gathered to protest (..)
macsen rufus
11-20-2006, 18:27
I'm surprised no-one complained about screaming in the library... that must have really upset the readers :clown:
Bah! They should've tthrown those monitors at the "officers", make some civil revolt and show them how to behave.:no:
The motto of the german police is "your friend and helper" and that's what I expect from them as a citizen.
They are there to serve the public, not brutalize harmless students.:thumbsdown:
Sounds like a case of everybody being retarded. If the student had just done what he should right away nothing would have happened. At the same time the university police shouldn't have tazed him. It's not as if the officers were threatened in any way or that the guy was a threat to the other students, he was merely non compliant. If anything they should have just dragged him out, they certainly look like they could have just dragged him out instead of insisting he standup after being tazed.
Glad the others students started asking for badge numbers and information right away. Not sure how University police have police power or anything but I'm surprised someone didn't call the real police on them. The other students being threatened by campus security who just abused a student with a tazer is definate grounds for calling LAPD.
I wonder how safe it is to use tazers in a computer lab, I know if all my work disappeared because they caused a short or something I'd be pissed.
lol @ "Here's your patriot act," I would never shout something like that when being dragged out of a computer lab, does he think he's being dragged out for writing to terrorists via the internet or something?
CrossLOPER
11-20-2006, 19:06
You have to admit the police had an electrifying effect on the student.
Not what I was going for, but I'll admit: You have to have been lightning quick to pick that one up.
yesdachi
11-20-2006, 19:15
Not sure how University police have police power or anything but I'm surprised someone didn't call the real police on them.
I believe they were the real police, just stationed on campus.
doc_bean
11-20-2006, 20:15
I wonder how safe it is to use tazers in a computer lab, I know if all my work disappeared because they caused a short or something I'd be pissed.
Nevermind that they're potentially lethal...
Not sure how University police have police power or anything but I'm surprised someone didn't call the real police on them. The other students being threatened by campus security who just abused a student with a tazer is definate grounds for calling LAPD.
In my experience, campus police are real cops, their jurisdiction is the campus grounds. They will work with city/county police as the circumstances dictate, but have full authority on campus.
As for other students calling the LAPD, not so sure that would be a good idea...
"We've got some students reporting police brutality at the campus."
"What?!? And we weren't invited? Grab the gear, lets move!"
:laugh4:
CrossLOPER
11-20-2006, 21:08
Nevermind that they're potentially lethal...
Ever lost a lot of important work that was stored on your computer? Trust me, for the first two hours after the incident, you'll be in the condition and mode to kill, either yourself or someone else. The second two hours will involve making angry phone calls, and after that, it's lots of crying.
Adrian II
11-20-2006, 21:15
Nevermind that they're potentially lethal...So much for winning Iranian hertz and mains.
:wall: :yes:
yesdachi
11-20-2006, 21:26
Ever lost a lot of important work that was stored on your computer? Trust me, for the first two hours after the incident, you'll be in the condition and mode to kill, either yourself or someone else. The second two hours will involve making angry phone calls, and after that, it's lots of crying.
That’s a long time; I guess I am so use to it that I have gotten that range of emotions down to about 30 minutes. ~:mad, ~:pissed:, :annoyed:, :bigcry:... :drunk:
Nevermind that they're potentially lethal...
They can be deadly if there used to shock someone repeatedly like that in the video. After the first person nearly died from a tazer the police departments stoped refering to them as "Non lethal force" and started refering it to "Less then lethal force". You have to remember the tazer is contracting every muscle in the body, your heart and other organs are muscle's. It's quite sad how police seem to get trigger happy with those when they hear it wont kill but it will hurt. Wasn't their an incident of a police officer using it on a junior high student a couple months ago?
Also calling the police is definately called for. They are no longer officers of the peace when their actively brutalizing a student. Not to mention if they don't at least show you their badges you have no way to remotely prove that they are indeed police officers in the first place. Personally though I'd like to know if CA still has a citizens arrest.:juggle2:
Prince of the Poodles
11-20-2006, 23:18
He shouldnt have been there in the first place without his ID.
Kralizec
11-20-2006, 23:20
He shouldnt have been there in the first place without his ID.
...and thus, police can do what they want with him :dizzy2:
He shouldnt have been there in the first place without his ID.
Thats not a reason to torcher and come close to killing the guy.
doc_bean
11-22-2006, 11:02
Ever lost a lot of important work that was stored on your computer? Trust me, for the first two hours after the incident, you'll be in the condition and mode to kill, either yourself or someone else. The second two hours will involve making angry phone calls, and after that, it's lots of crying.
Use back-ups, you shouldn't lose more then a days work. Not very nice, but hardly on the same level as being attacked with a taser.
doc_bean
11-22-2006, 11:04
He shouldnt have been there in the first place without his ID.
I thought you Americans didn't have an official ID ?? :inquisitive:
Most people just have their driver's license don't they ?
Well, there's a $1,000,000,000,000 lawsuit in the making.
Both sides were wrong, though obviously one side more then the other. When grabbed by the cops, you don't fight back. They'll tazer/beat/club/mace/shoot you into submission as sure as night follows day. It's their raison d'etre. You fight back later after you've been released.
On the other hand, if the guy is cuffed and already been electrified and won't stand up, then you secure his feet with cuffs or quick ties and carry him out, you don't torture a non-threatening suspect him into compliance.
I thought you Americans didn't have an official ID ?? :inquisitive:
Most people just have their driver's license don't they ?
The university apparently has had problems with assaults in the library, so the policy was that after 11pm, students needed to have their college ID card to prove they were students, not a drivers license. The shockee did not have one when asked by the campus student patrol, and refused to leave. They promptly called the campus police.
yesdachi
11-22-2006, 17:24
I am surprised that no one started yelling “Rodney King”!
macsen rufus
11-22-2006, 19:05
I am surprised that no one started yelling “Rodney King”!
THAT's the name I was groping for :book:
[Deep breath, starts yelling....]
Major Robert Dump
11-30-2006, 01:09
I wouldnt call the thing from tasers "pain" exactly. You also recover quickly from the initial juicing. He had every chance to stand up after that first tasering and was practically begging for more. Unfortunately the first tasering isnt clear on video, maybe it was uncalled for, but the subsequent taserings were called for. I also think the cops were unprofessional as they could have dragged him out quite easily
CrossLOPER
11-30-2006, 01:19
I wouldnt call the thing from tasers "pain" exactly.
Well, I guess silly tingles sounds better.
AntiochusIII
11-30-2006, 01:32
Well, I guess silly tingles sounds better.Yeah, except it can kill you by "overdose."
MRD: So you believe that, should you hit the ground after a first tazer, the cops have the right to imagine you are perfectly okay and should be tazered up a dozen times or so in order for them to satisfy their empowerment?
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