"move cheat" to relocate inquisitors?

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

I saw mentioned on another forum that they were using a "move cheat" to relocate inquisitors to the opposite side of the map.

Does anybody have any idea what this "cheat" actually is and how to use it? :help:

(might actually encourage me to play the game again before the patch - I did try another campaign, vh/vh, everything going dandy - 1117 perfect relations with the pope/papal states, no heresy about, 98% catholicism in all regions - inquisitor pops up and in 3 moves he has killed off 3 faction heirs {kills the heir, replaced, kills that heir, replaced, kills THAT heir} I now have one family member left (the king) and a 11 year wait for next heir to mature - the King {piety 1) is in Bruges, the inquisitor is in Antwerp...

guess what's going to happen next turn...?)


- the game just isnt worth playing when this sort of thing happens.

[Whacker]

I share your frustration. :furious3: I wouldn't bring any of my family members over the channel in my english campaign because of this.

From this link: http://www.consolecheatcodes.com/pc/rometotalwarcheats.html

Move indicated character to desired coordinates move_character <name> <x,y>

I don't recall how to get coords off of the map, but I think it's this one:

Show cursor position and region ID show_cursorstat

Your other option would be to try and spawn some assassins and then use the give_trait and give_ancilliary commands to buff them out, but I'm not near my gaming machine for the rest of the week and don't remember the traits from RTW, or if they've changed names in M2.

Whatever happens, I'd still like to hear about what happens. Perhaps save the game and then see if the game will let the inquisitor burn your faction leader?

Cheers!

[LegioScythia]

I saw mentioned on another forum that they were using a "move cheat" to relocate inquisitors to the opposite side of the map.

Does anybody have any idea what this "cheat" actually is and how to use it? :help:

(might actually encourage me to play the game again before the patch - I did try another campaign, vh/vh, everything going dandy - 1117 perfect relations with the pope/papal states, no heresy about, 98% catholicism in all regions - inquisitor pops up and in 3 moves he has killed off 3 faction heirs {kills the heir, replaced, kills that heir, replaced, kills THAT heir} I now have one family member left (the king) and a 11 year wait for next heir to mature - the King {piety 1) is in Bruges, the inquisitor is in Antwerp...

guess what's going to happen next turn...?)


- the game just isnt worth playing when this sort of thing happens.

press Press the tilde (~) key and enter

move_character z x,y z=name of settlement or unit without title (except Captain). x,y=coords

move over a spot on the land and type show_cursorstat, note the x,y coordinates, and then type move_character "inquisitors name" x,y.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Thanks chaps - appreciate it.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Works fine except that names with a "de" in the middle dont seem to be able to be moved (no such character error) - does anybody know of a specific syntax for these fellows?

i.e. Renaldus de Sala

Have tried most combinations with no joy

[chunkynut]

This for me is a wierd complaint as in my campaign only one general and one priest (and he had 5 piety i think) have been tried successfully (and i don't think there have been many more trials).

My game is however on normal ... so perhaps this issue is arrising from the difficulty level, anyone had problems with inquisitors in a normal game?

[Roy1991]

Works fine except that names with a "de" in the middle dont seem to be able to be moved (no such character error) - does anybody know of a specific syntax for these fellows?

i.e. Renaldus de Sala

Have tried most combinations with no joy

It's Renaldus de_Sala.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Tvm!

[Dave1984]

It's Renaldus de_Sala.

Is this the case with any two word surnames, such as (In my current game) Lewes of Plymouth. Should it be Lewes of_Plymouth, or something different? Also, as I understand it you don't enter "reputation" titles,(E.G. Edgar the Cruel would just be "Edgar"), but what if you have two characters with the same name but different titles?

[Dr_Who_Regen#4]

You can also do a sneaky response to the Inquisition without cheating.

I just watch for the inquisitors...When they show up near your border you send any Generals you like elsewhere (especially via boats). You can also just move a general a bit away and wait for the inquisitor to find someone else to go after. However, it is important that you spot the inquisitor before they find your general as they will chase their target.

I am sure some people don't like this but it can payoff for your star general to take a country vacation or cruise...Also if you have a general you do not like the inquisitor might finish them off and you may be offered another by adoption before too long.

Anyways using my approach I find I lose an occasional general to the inquisition but nothing like 4 generals in a few turns.

[Dave1984]

You can also do a sneaky response to the Inquisition without cheating.

I just watch for the inquisitors...When they show up near your border you send any Generals you like elsewhere (especially via boats). You can also just move a general a bit away and wait for the inquisitor to find someone else to go after. However, it is important that you spot the inquisitor before they find your general as they will chase their target.

I am sure some people don't like this but it can payoff for your star general to take a country vacation or cruise...Also if you have a general you do not like the inquisitor might finish them off and you may be offered another by adoption before too long.

Anyways using my approach I find I lose an occasional general to the inquisition but nothing like 4 generals in a few turns.

To be honest, you needn't lose any, ever, if you get the hang of the papal standing system. I haven't lost anyone in 700+ turns of play in different campaigns since sussing it, even when inquisitors have strayed into my lands.

[Dr_Who_Regen#4]

To be honest, you needn't lose any, ever, if you get the hang of the papal standing system. I haven't lost anyone in 700+ turns of play in different campaigns since sussing it, even when inquisitors have strayed into my lands.


Could you elaborate on how you do this?
I have found that when I have the pope and high standing the inquisitors will still go after my priests (have steered clear with my generals).

Thanks

[Dave1984]

Could you elaborate on how you do this?
I have found that when I have the pope and high standing the inquisitors will still go after my priests (have steered clear with my generals).

Thanks


Yes, although I don't believe I am doing anything different to what alot of people have mentioned already. Non-aggression towards Catholic nations at all times apart from when they are excommunicated, building lots of cathedrals and whatnot and making sure I vote for the right person every time is all.
It may be the case that I haven't lost any priests because they all have too high piety to be targeted, which is partially connected to the large amounts of churches I have. Moving them from province to province in a sort of "tour" of my lands seems to help as well.
Perhaps I've been lucky, but since being careful with these things I am certain that the papacy and inquisition is not bugged at all.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

To be honest, you needn't lose any, ever, if you get the hang of the papal standing system.

No offence, and not directed especially at you D Wilson, but Im sick to the hind teeth of hearing this BS line about "you just good relations" and associated pap.

The inquisitor appeared whilst my papal relations were "outstanding", that catholicism was 98% or higher in every single region, that I was in no wars with ANY catholic factions (NOR had I been) other than an excommunicated HRE, was actively crusading and that I had churches/abbeys/cathedrals and priests everywhere they could be. (on vh/vh that aint that easy either), I was even allied to the papal states.

So there's no point saying "If you just do this it will be all right" because, as indicated, it simply doesn't mean a thing - inquisitors show up where they want and fry who they want, be they family members or level 9 piety cardinals.

It appears it has naff-all to do with papal relations, catholicism and so forth - if it DID then explain why they still turn up with their 'fryers' when all the conditions are met for them NOT to?

Meanwhile Venice is in a war with the Papal States (and about every catholic faction) whilst allied to the Moors and Byzantines - removing FOW shows how many inquisitors in THEIR lands?

None, not one.

So you'll forgive me if I just ignore any such advice because as far as I can see its totally worthless and what looks far more likely is that CA have coded Inquisitors to *have a thing* for certain factions irrespective of what you do and most probably also linked to difficulty.

And after having wasted hours and hours playing the perfect "kiss the Vatican' arse" game it seems that all that arse licking was a total waste of time because they STILL send in the frying-squad.


And until CA fix the issue i'll stick to teleporting the buggers to Timbuktu and be quite happy that' i'm simply responding to badly implemented code and shoddy game balancing....

rather than just suffering the results of my inept gaming and inability to keep the pope on my side. (not).


Edit:

OH, and, yes, I voted for him, and, yes, I'm paying a tribute every turn, and, yes, it gives me "your relations have improved" message EVERY round, even though im at the top level anyway.

So if there's anything else you think I'm NOT doing then please let me know: but I'll answer you before you post them by saying "I't won't make any difference" in my very best Newt impression.

[Barkhorn1x]

I am still playing my first camp. on M/M and I have had exactly one inquisitor run in - burned a diplomat of mine. Damn good chap too.

...and since I know that DD knows his way around a TW game - I am thinking that the prevalence (and virulence) of inquisitors probably increases w/ the level of difficulty and should be toned down.

It IS absurd to have 4 family members burned to a crisp in quick succession.

Barkhorn.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Well its ironic but I really "dont mind" the inquisitors - rather I wouldnt mind them if they simply followed some sort of logical methodology.

Two things really need to change though:

1) Some player methodology for raising the piety of family members
2) Inquisitors actually reacting to the player status with the papal states.

I quite deliberately played that last campaign to kiss-papal-butt just to see if the whole *thing* about papal standing keeping inquisitors away did actually work. And, believe me, it was a weird campaign, but aside from that it really does go to show that something is seriously awry, or there's some humongous (and obviously not patently obvious) methodology that CA forgot to document and that a few hundred thousand gamers still haven't noticed.

Also/Alternatively - if it is just going to be a hard-coded case that the English will always have the frying-squads sent after them, then why bother playing the papal-game at all... and more importantly: where is the *counter* to Inquisitors.

The entire TW franchise (which i've gamed through since year -1) always existed on a basis of "move-countermove" : you do this, I do that, everything has a means for change.

For the life of me though I'm struggling to see it with these Inquisitors unless they are just plain broken - which really does seem more likely to me at this point in time.

(And having just verified the monumentally massive "merchant income bug" it would not surprise me)

[HaroldVonBraver]

You can also do a sneaky response to the Inquisition without cheating.

I just watch for the inquisitors...When they show up near your border you send any Generals you like elsewhere (especially via boats). You can also just move a general a bit away and wait for the inquisitor to find someone else to go after. However, it is important that you spot the inquisitor before they find your general as they will chase their target.

I am sure some people don't like this but it can payoff for your star general to take a country vacation or cruise...Also if you have a general you do not like the inquisitor might finish them off and you may be offered another by adoption before too long.

Anyways using my approach I find I lose an occasional general to the inquisition but nothing like 4 generals in a few turns.

I do this and I don't lose any General's at all. I'm only about 25-35 turns into the game on VH/VH. It could be worse later in the game.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

I do this and I don't lose any General's at all. I'm only about 25-35 turns into the game on VH/VH. It could be worse later in the game.

As a workaround it is probably worse than teleporting the inquisitors - if you send your generals and family members away there isn't much point in having them in the first place. :juggle2:

[Roy1991]

Is this the case with any two word surnames, such as (In my current game) Lewes of Plymouth. Should it be Lewes of_Plymouth, or something different? Also, as I understand it you don't enter "reputation" titles,(E.G. Edgar the Cruel would just be "Edgar"), but what if you have two characters with the same name but different titles?

It's the same with any two word surnames.

If you want to 'teleport' a character with a title, you need to know his original name, or it won't work.

[HaroldVonBraver]

As a workaround it is probably worse than teleporting the inquisitors - if you send your generals and family members away there isn't much point in having them in the first place. :juggle2:

They still do their jobs. Just a quick detour and their back in action.

[NightStar]

I just had my first run in with Inquisidors, turn 32 I'm on a crusade and they burn my spy and a heir....and he is sinless on a crusade!!!! Damn it made me pissed!!!! Like this guy is getting himself burned?

Inquisidor: Excuse me prince, put away your crusading army and come with me, I suspect you are a heretic. You will most likely burn as I burn 9 out of 10 people I try. You will have no way of denouncing your heretic ways, and being sinless on a crusade doesn't protect you.

Prince Charming: All righty then mister Inquisidor, I'll just disband my crusading army and come with you to be burned......

How stupid is that, there was a reason why rulers weren't burned by Inquisidors!!!

[Goofball]

It's the same with any two word surnames.

If you want to 'teleport' a character with a title, you need to know his original name, or it won't work.

Okay, I've been trying for an hour to use the "give_trait" cheat and I guess I'm doing something wrong. The character's name is Gustav Grathe and I'm trying to give him the "Just" trait. I have tried:

give_trait: Gustav Grathe Just 1
give_trait: Gustav_Grathe Just 1
give_trait: GustavGrathe Just 1

I have also tried these variations with other characters and traits and I keep getting the same message:

err: character not found

What am I doing wrong?

[Merlin's Apprentice]

Trying to move anything I get the same err character not found
have tried every variation
move_character First name Second Name
first_second
First_Second
First second
first second

[Whacker]

@ Merlin the shorter, and the Goofwad

Gentlemen, try it with just the first name, this should work. I don't think if a character has two REAL names, then you just do first name. If a character has an assigned surname or title, like "The Saint", then you'll need to do "Gustav the_saint". If this isn't right, someone can correct me. Hope this helps!

[Roy1991]

Okay, I've been trying for an hour to use the "give_trait" cheat and I guess I'm doing something wrong. The character's name is Gustav Grathe and I'm trying to give him the "Just" trait. I have tried:

give_trait: Gustav Grathe Just 1
give_trait: Gustav_Grathe Just 1
give_trait: GustavGrathe Just 1

I have also tried these variations with other characters and traits and I keep getting the same message:

err: character not found

What am I doing wrong?


give_trait "Gustaf Grathe" Just 1

[IRONxMortlock]

Trying to move anything I get the same err character not found
have tried every variation
move_character First name Second Name
first_second
First_Second
First second
first second

You must use quotation marks around the character's name.

eg. "First Second"

Also remember that it appears to be case sensitive so make sure you have the capital letters in the right place.

[Merlin's Apprentice]

Thanks will try when my epic battle for Caen is over
4 French forces against 4 English
French heavy missle
English heavy cav
a nice switch lol

[Nobbystyles]

So if there's anything else you think I'm NOT doing then please let me know: but I'll answer you before you post them by saying "I't won't make any difference" in my very best Newt impression.


As England i have had very little to do with inquisitors. they mostly leave me alone and my standing with the pope hovers between 1 and 2 crosses and i have been excommunicated and reconciled on numerous occasions.

I think it has to do with the amount of heresy in a region.
British isles all regeion 98-96% all other %s are pagan. no inquisitors.

When i took france they had some already but after a while they just moved off now that i have no heresy.

HRE who owned the metz region had four inquisitors stationed there. but they did have 36% heresy

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Sorry - no heresy in any of the regions and no heretics either.

[Dave1984]

No offence, and not directed especially at you D Wilson, but Im sick to the hind teeth of hearing this BS line about "you just good relations" and associated pap.



At the minute we are all playing the same versions of the game, so perhaps the inquisitor thing is a bug triggered by a certain sequence of movements or actions that I personally have not done recently?
I didn't say it had anything to do with "good relations" because on my first English M/M campaign I had full crosses and no crosses and everything in between and still had inquisitors crawing around annoying the hell out of me, and as I've said on my latest VH/VH English campaign, I've had no trouble at all with them. I've seen them, even had one hang around Nottingham for a while, and still nothing.
The only difference between the two is doing the things I've mentioned.
Now I don't come on here to talk BS, why would I? If I had a problem with the game, I'd mention it, and agree with others if I was experiencing the same.
But I'm not, and I believe it is down to what I am doing, not anything else.

[chunkynut]

NobbyStyles, are you on a normal or hard etc game? It seems to me to be something thats affected greatly by the difficulty level as people playing on normal difficulty the total opposite of Darkmoor Dragon's issue.

Anyone on Hard or Very Hard campaign difficulty not had inquisitor issues? If so which faction were you and what are your relations with the Papal States?

[Nobbystyles]

sorry i forgot to mention i was on normal difficulty.

I have lost 2 priests to trials and 1 family member survived a trial during the early expansion into france from england. but once all my regions had their heresy removed the inquisitors wandered off to annoy other nations.

In my game Antwerp had an inquisitor. he would of course head to any character to trial them if they came with 1-2 turns walk but would always return to that region and stand there if they couldnt reach me. after a while he moved off and last i checked antwerp has no heresy.

sounds a sensible game rule for them to follow. increased difficuty may increase the range at which they react to your nearby characters.

[Fearless]

INQUISITORS! INQUISITORS! all this talk on how to save your royal family by raising piety is a waste of time when my 9 star piety cardinal next in line for Pope gets fried!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........explain that? SEGA testers! :wall:

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

NobbyStyles, are you on a normal or hard etc game? It seems to me to be something thats affected greatly by the difficulty level as people playing on normal difficulty the total opposite of Darkmoor Dragon's issue.

Anyone on Hard or Very Hard campaign difficulty not had inquisitor issues? If so which faction were you and what are your relations with the Papal States?

I strongly suspect a link to difficult - yes.

I also think the appearances of Inquisitors has nothing to do with the pope or papal states at all - and is linked just to the level of heresy in a region.

The higher the difficulty the lower the heretical threshold for their appearance.

Others have touted a 5% threshold but didn't give a difficulty level: at vh (campaign) I suspect this may be as low as 2%.


I now control the pope and college and have the best relations with the papal states etc etc etc. I left Bruges with a heretic in there which had wandered in from HRE territory - heresy is up to 3% now but no Inquisitors yet - i'll leave heresy to build up and see what happens.

[chunkynut]

A quick thought, has anyone noticed the traits the Inquisitors have?

I've not had a look but there may be one like 'Holyier than thou' sort of thing where the inquisitor will try to prosecute anyone of heresy. Maybe not, it definately seems to be a difficulty level and perhaps there are global events that set it off too e.g. crusades / a region with 50% or more heresy sends them into overdrive ... that would be difficult to test out though without full knowledge of the map.

Historically the spainish inquisition was due to large numbers of moors converting to christ to keep there heads and then the inquistors would put them to trial (if I remember rightly). So if you have converted a large portion over to christ the residual converted may attract the the inquis ... unlikely but hey.

[Oaty]

After mysterious dissapearances they do tend to stay away.

[NightStar]

I just want them dead, Dead, DEAD! I wish I could have them arrested and drawn and quartered, hung or pieapple stuck up their @ss

A new order to my troops, a 1000 florins for every inquisitor they kill

Then I would be broke but happy

[CvC]

To give improved traits to multi-name characters: 1) Move the character out of a city/castle 2) Right click on the character to show their attributes panel 3) go to the shell commands panel by hitting the "~" key 4) type in give_trait this and then whatever trait you want to give character

Using "this" to ID the character gets around the whole naming problem.

[geala]

I hate inquisitors too.

In my experience it has not much to do with difficulty. I am playing a HRE campaign on H/H and parallely on M/H. I ignore the pope in both campaigns so my relations a not the best (0 to 3 crosses at best).

I had very few inquisitors in H/H. I had quite a lot of them from turn 40 on in M/H. They burned every of my familiy members except two. After I was excommunicated one time they disapeared (ca. turn 80).:inquisitive:

Now (turn 130) they come again but in fewer numbers. I kill them whenever possible. It is one of the most beautiful moments when my assassins succeed (which is not so very often although I have +10+ assassins).

[Biggus Diccus]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=73062

No need to use console cheats! Cheesy nontheless :2thumbsup: