View Full Version : OMG it's a gun shoot!....Oops.
CrossLOPER
12-04-2006, 21:48
More death (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/04/teen.shot.ap/index.html) by police squad.
So he stole a PS3? Yeah, I would have shot him, too.~:handball:
Shame they had to kill the dog.
They should sue someone for hyping that console so much...
At first I thought this was an english article, but when I saw it was from the US, well I wasn't that surprised anymore, the country where special forces hunt thieves.:juggle2:
IRONxMortlock
12-05-2006, 01:50
FACT - If you are an American you are more than eight times as likely to die from a legal intervention involving firearm discharge than you are from terrorism.
the country where special forces hunt thieves.:juggle2:
You mean the military is actively involved in police action in the US or are you talking about the worrying militarisation of civilian police forces?
Crazed Rabbit
12-05-2006, 04:48
More trigger happy cops. Oh joy.
Another story on it:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4325&Itemid=2
Apparently the kid's dad is a lawyer.
the country where special forces hunt thieves
No, just wannabees. This is the country where suspected bookies get killed because the cops have drawn guns as they arrest him. It's all for police safety, you know. Can't have the slightest chance of one of them getting hurt, which is of course more important than citizens.
Yeah, I would have shot him, too.
You'd break into a suspected criminal's house and gun him down even though he didn't resist? And then kill his dog too? The pigs would probably kill my dogs too; they always run and bark at the door when people approach. But they'll accuse you of breaking the law should you resist a police dog mauling you.
Crazed Rabbit
More trigger happy cops. Oh joy.
Another story on it:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4325&Itemid=2
Apparently the kid's dad is a lawyer.
No, just wannabees. This is the country where suspected bookies get killed because the cops have drawn guns as they arrest him. It's all for police safety, you know. Can't have the slightest chance of one of them getting hurt, which is of course more important than citizens.
You'd break into a suspected criminal's house and gun him down even though he didn't resist? And then kill his dog too? The pigs would probably kill my dogs too; they always run and bark at the door when people approach. But they'll accuse you of breaking the law should you resist a police dog mauling you.
Crazed Rabbit
I take it you aren't a fan of the police, CR? Maybe the fact that you refered to them as "pigs" gave that away.
Crazed Rabbit
12-05-2006, 06:38
I'm not a fan of the increasing militarization of the police, the shoot first and ask questions later policies, no knock raids, and killing dogs.
CR
Crazed Rabbit
12-05-2006, 09:31
Beats me.
CR
doc_bean
12-05-2006, 09:56
I think you guys should alter the second amendment: the right to carry arms as long as you aren't a friggin' cop on campus. No tazers either !
Throw them all in jail, regular population.
Well if the police thought he was holding a gun then it's tragic, just a mistake. If it was a gun and they didn't shoot they could have been dead, and dead cops are a greater loss then dead thieves.
Kanamori
12-05-2006, 11:34
And a dead innocent person? It seems to be a mistake that we are hearing about more often, what that means about real incidence is beyond me, being too lazy to research. I wonder if the robbery was, at least, armed or if they had any other reason to think that they would have guns. Further, in a different direction, what justification do they have to shoot if he was holding a gun? Is it illegal to have a gun in the presence of an officer? There are probably neighborhoods where it is common to open the door w/ a gun in hand or close by, for one's safety...
It seems that cops should be hardened w/ training not to be so jumpy that they endanger the people they are supposed to protect...
If they want to protect people they need to protect themselves. A mistake is just that, a mistake. Be glad your police has any use, here the police only shoots money out of your pockets with laserguns if you drive 2 km/h too fast.
Kanamori
12-05-2006, 12:12
If they want to protect people they need to protect themselves.
Agreed. A cop who only gets shot by a criminal doesn't do any one any good.
A mistake is just that, a mistake.
Tentatively, agreed. Cops, being agents of the law, should be held to some standards of reliability in their judgment of when pulling their gun out and shooting someone will be needed and when it won't. Some mistakes are not justified for the enforcers to make, and we should make sure that these standards are taught or trained. For, there is difference between a 'civilian' enforcer and one who represents the gov. Protect and serve. It could have easily been some other uninvolved person who got shot with a controller in their hand.
(Aside: the trend, or apperant one, of cops misjudging situations is probably a result of how common violence is, or is perceived to be.)
Big King Sanctaphrax
12-05-2006, 12:43
I think Crazed Rabbit is spot on with this. Do the police regularly conduct no-knock raids on petty thieves? What was he going to do, flush the PS3s down the toilet?
You mean the military is actively involved in police action in the US or are you talking about the worrying militarisation of civilian police forces?
Well, it was a police special forces.
To me that means they are used for bank robberies and other big cases normal officers are not trained for or where special caution is needed, not for hunting small kids.
Well if the police thought he was holding a gun then it's tragic, just a mistake. If it was a gun and they didn't shoot they could have been dead, and dead cops are a greater loss then dead thieves.
Well, first off, I always thought they train to identify weapons, second if they are called special forces, I expect them to have more brain, not just bigger weapons and third, police here in our nice lovely country would rather open the door without breaking it if noone opens. I mean they just break into a house because a kid stole wares for 1200$? Some company managers steal millions and then they most likely are afraid of even knocking at the door, but this was just a kid right?
Next up they drive a tank through someone's wall because he forgot to pay a parking ticket.:wall:
doc_bean
12-05-2006, 15:28
They all want to be Dirty Harry.
Next up they drive a tank through someone's wall because he forgot to pay a parking ticket.:wall:
That sounds more like a dutch thing. Crime, what can we say it exists, what did you you forgot a parking ticket?? BURN
edit: lol@police
http://dump.geenstijl.nl/mediabase/foto/eee7d833_Politie.jpeg
Vladimir
12-05-2006, 16:20
Well, it was a police special forces.
To me that means they are used for bank robberies and other big cases normal officers are not trained for or where special caution is needed, not for hunting small kids.
Well, first off, I always thought they train to identify weapons, second if they are called special forces, I expect them to have more brain, not just bigger weapons and third, police here in our nice lovely country would rather open the door without breaking it if noone opens. I mean they just break into a house because a kid stole wares for 1200$? Some company managers steal millions and then they most likely are afraid of even knocking at the door, but this was just a kid right?
Next up they drive a tank through someone's wall because he forgot to pay a parking ticket.:wall:
I've noticed comments like this in a couple of your other posts. Your nice little police are the same ones that perform blood alcohol tests from the blood released by breaking a suspect’s nose. Maybe something is being lost in the translation but the German police are far from the fluffy little bunnies that you try to portray. No one who has peers and colleagues who have worked with German police would make your same claims.
Quick edit: I can be an ass, sorry.
I think Crazed Rabbit is spot on with this. Do the police regularly conduct no-knock raids on petty thieves? What was he going to do, flush the PS3s down the toilet?
"If this boy would've come to the door, opened the door, we probably wouldn't be talking," the sheriff said Sunday.
Roommate Mike Rhoton said Strickland was unarmed, but may have been holding a video game controller when he went to the door as it was bashed in by officers.
I don't think this was a no-knock raid, judging from these 2 sentences. What probably happened (knowing game addicts), is that the police came and knocked, the boy didn't answer the door not wanting to quit playing, so they bashed it down. Hearing the ruckus, he got up and went to the door, controller in hand, and the cops, already pissed/hyped that they had to smash the door down, thought he was armed and shot him. The kid robbed someone for his PS3, so of course he isn't going to want to stop playing it when someone knocks on his door. Wonder what game he had going at the time.
My speculation, of course. If the kid's dad is a lawyer, someone is getting canned and the Wilmington city budget better plan for a large settlement.
I've noticed comments like this in a couple of your other posts. Your nice little police are the same ones that perform blood alcohol tests from the blood released by breaking a suspect’s nose. Maybe something is being lost in the translation but the German police are far from the fluffy little bunnies that you try to portray. No one who has peers and colleagues who have worked with German police would make your same claims.
Quick edit: I can be an ass, sorry.
Being a german policeman....no wait...
Being someone who has never had any big trouble with the police, I am of course, stating my own opinion, I have also heard about police abuse here, that's true, but it doesn't seem to happen nearly as often as it does in a certain other country.
They all want to be Dirty Harry.
Who wouldn't?
Blodrast
12-06-2006, 00:02
Who wouldn't?
Chuck Norris wouldn't!
Watchman
12-06-2006, 00:09
Yeah, but Clint never got his ass kicked by Bruce Lee ! :2thumbsup:
More to the point, Clint was never reduced to appearing on TV ads for gyms... I laughed pretty hard when I saw that one.
Blodrast
12-06-2006, 00:21
I know, I saw it too - I cried pretty hard when I did :laugh4:
Thus died another hero of my childhood...:clown:
Crazed Rabbit
12-15-2006, 09:40
New Info on the shooting:
(Note: The deputy was not indicted for murder- the jury foreman checked the wrong box http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=2720955 )
Deputy indicted on murder charge
By Matthew Eisley and Mandy Locke, Staff Writer
A New Hanover County sheriff's deputy believed to have fatally shot college student Peyton Strickland in a Dec. 1 raid at his Wilmington home has been charged with murder.
A New Hanover County grand jury indicted Christopher Long, 34, on a second-degree murder charge Monday, New Hanover County District Attorney Ben David announced shortly after 4 p.m.
David would not discuss the findings of a State Bureau of Investigation report on the fatal shooting, except to say that it cleared two other deputies of wrongdoing.
David and New Hanover Sheriff Sid Causey refused to answer any questions about the investigation or the charge against Long, a 10-year veteran of the Sheriff's Office whom Causey fired Friday. The two other deputies remain on paid leave.
During Long's first court appearance, David told a judge that Long overreacted and fired through the closed front door of Strickland's home when he and the rest of the sheriff's paramilitary team raided it.
After deputies banged on the door and announced their presence, David said, Strickland came toward the door. He then stepped back into the living room. He and the deputies could see each other through small windows in the door.
One deputy then began striking the door with a battering ram, David told the judge.
Long, who stood behind the deputy with the battering ram, later said he mistakenly thought he heard gunfire, David said. But the sound was only the battering ram, which no other deputies on the team mistook for gunfire.
Long then fired three shots through the closed door, hitting Strickland in the head and in the chest near the right shoulder, David said. The head shot, which passed through Strickland's skull, killed him.
When the deputies forced the door open and Strickland's German shepherd Blaze lunged toward them, Long and two other deputies shot and killed the dog, David said.
Only Long shot Strickland, and only he later said he thought the deputies were under attack, David said.
Long's assessment of the threat "was not objectively believable and the use of force not justified," David told the judge.
David said Long displayed a "recklessness" in making "intentional use of deadly weapon."
Strickland, 18, was dead in the foyer of his Wilmington rental house as campus police from the University of North Carolina at Wilmington and sheriff's deputies arrived to search for a stolen PlayStation 3 video console. The officers sought to arrest Strickland and two friends on charges of robbery and assault, stemming from an incident in which they were suspected of stealing two PlayStation units from a UNC-W student.
One of the suspects in the robbery of the game console had been pictured with what appeared to be assault weapons, leading authorities to consider the Dec. 1 arrest effort "high risk."
Also charged with felony robbery and assault charges in connection with the video game theft are two of Strickland's friends: Ryan David Mills, 20, a Durham native; and Braden Riley, 21, an Apex native and one of Strickland's housemates.
When Mills arrived at Strickland's home soon after the raid, police found a ski mask and a loaded shotgun in his red 1996 Toyota Celica GT, Chief David Donaldson of the UNC-W police department said Monday.
Donaldson, 35, said he didn't know why Mills had the mask. He would not say who owned the 12-gauge, pump-action, pistol-grip shotgun.
Donaldson said he asked the sheriff's Emergency Response Team to help carry out the raid on Strickland's and Riley's home for several reasons.
"The original crime was a violent offense," he said Monday. "We had information from a web site that there were weapons inside the residence. Mr. Strickland was involved in a series of violent assaults. And Mr. Riley was known to always carry a pistol."
Donaldson would not explain why his officers didn't wait instead for Strickland to emerge from his home, and then arrest him peacefully.
"I'm not going to entertain any speculative questions or what-ifs," he said. "There are a lot of questions still unanswered at this point."
I suppose the lesson in this is that you should assume the prone position and allow anyone who forcibly enters your house to have their way with you. Don't dare try to answer the door, as the police will be able to hit the door, think you're shooting at them because of the sound of them hitting the door, while they can see you're not, kill you, and get away with it. Ain't America great?
Crazed Rabbit
What also worries me is that the officer shot through a door and had no clue who or what was behind that door? He could have given a headshot to his fellow officers, he might want to grow a brain, I suggest giving him a nice cell and a lot of time to do just that.
"We had information from a web site that there were weapons inside the residence. Mr. Strickland was involved in a series of violent assaults. And Mr. Riley was known to always carry a pistol."
How in the world do you get evidence there's a weapon inside the house from the internet...... What did they do, type into to google "shotgun"????:idea2:
How in the world do you get evidence there's a weapon inside the house from the internet...... What did they do, type into to google "shotgun"????:idea2:
never saw the thousands of photos on the internet of morons standing in front of their webcams with guns (real or plastic) and trying to look "cool"?
because I can point you to a bunch of examples....
I think police inspectors were banned from using guns after they managed to shoot dead a suspect's sleeping mother during a raid in the 1980s or something. Now only properly trained police are allowed guns.
So that would be the answer; give proper training.
Strike For The South
12-16-2006, 18:16
Well if there going to shot us when were unarmed can I shot them while there off duty? With the family at the Olive Garden. This cop needs to go away for awhile. What a moron
never saw the thousands of photos on the internet of morons standing in front of their webcams with guns (real or plastic) and trying to look "cool"?
because I can point you to a bunch of examples....
But using something you've seen on Myspace is not sufficient reason to call in a swat team to serve a warrant. A couple of cops knocking on the door would have had the same effect without the death of an innocent person.
But using something you've seen on Myspace is not sufficient reason to call in a swat team to serve a warrant. A couple of cops knocking on the door would have had the same effect without the death of an innocent person.
what brings the police to his door is the fact that he is a suspect of robbery....I think the attitude of the police in serving such warrant would certainly be affected if there is even the slightest change the person can be armed...
personally if I was a police officer I would take no chances if I saw signs of a possible weapon...no matter how unlikely it might be....there are also cases were police are fired upon while serving warrants were they tough there was no danger and just went up to the door and knocked.
what brings the police to his door is the fact that he is a suspect of robbery....I think the attitude of the police in serving such warrant would certainly be affected if there is even the slightest change the person can be armed...
personally if I was a police officer I would take no chances if I saw signs of a possible weapon...no matter how unlikely it might be....there are also cases were police are fired upon while serving warrants were they tough there was no danger and just went up to the door and knocked.
So should they always roll with a tank through the front door?
Maybe they should just fire some artillery shells in case the suspect has anti tank weapons....I mean, there is always a slight, tiny, little, small chance of him maybe owning one.:wall:
what brings the police to his door is the fact that he is a suspect of robbery....I think the attitude of the police in serving such warrant would certainly be affected if there is even the slightest change the person can be armed...
personally if I was a police officer I would take no chances if I saw signs of a possible weapon...no matter how unlikely it might be....there are also cases were police are fired upon while serving warrants were they tough there was no danger and just went up to the door and knocked.
Last I checked you are innocent until proven guilty. The man was only a suspect. In fact he hadn't even received the warrant before he was killed. He was shot and killed by a police officer who got jumpy and mistook the ram for a gun and fired into the door. Didn't know what was behind it, didnt care. Could have been a 10 year old child, didn't go through the cops mind not to shoot. Not to mention they had the other part of the swat team going around the back, he could have very easily killed one of his own.
They brought a swat team there, didn't bother to knock, rammed the door (which caused the cop to get scared, start shooting wildly at a door killing innocent people). All because they saw something on the internet. No somethings wrong here.
Cops knocking on the door would have more then likely prevented this. Even if they had a gun. That cop is jumpy enough they would have ended up dead if they tryed to use it. Being a cop has risks, risks that are required so that they uphold the law and not walk all over it. We don't need cops going buckwild shooting at shadow's because there's a risk they could get injured or killed. They are there to protect the innocent not kill them, sometimes that means risking their lives to uphold that oath.
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