I was accused of racism today

[Tribesman]

Partly in response to the nonsense in PofPs topic of today .

Yep today I was accused of racism at work .
Not too funny for the accuser since as events unfolded he will be a long time trying to get back to his house .:shrug:
Though fair play to him he did give a good few and repeatedly refused to stay down .
So some backround .
I hadn't worked the past two days since the river bursting its banks has closed half the site , high winds shut down the cranes and the one decent driver I could rely on has had to go to New Zealand for a funeral .
Plus I couldn't be bothered with the travelling to the other jobs .
But the phone wouldn't stop about problems on a site I thought I had already sorted so I showed my face .

Simple rule , if you screw up you put it right , under no circumstances do you falsely try to blame someone else (I hate dishonesty) .
I sacked two workers as soon as I arrived , a simple look showed they coudn't do the job they were being paid to do .
Then for the big screw up . I knew straight away who had done it as I had warned him twice (which is unusual for me , but he just had a new child and was getting the bullet at Christmas anyway so I thought the big Yank can afford a couple of weeks of pittance pay for the muppet) .
First thing ...."it was the Brazilians" .
Nope I moved them to Gort to save them getting the bus up .
Then , "It was the Latvians"
Nope I know the screw ups they make (only this paricular crew of Latvians of course not all Latvians ) .
Then " it was the Croatian"
Nope , he might be slow but he is good , he didn't do that (plus he is a bloody good translator for many languages from 4 continents) (though S.Ameican almost always comes under one of the 3 continents).

Then comes the "you are racist you always sack Polish , you hate Polish"
Which is true .
When I am not sacking Somalians , Nigerians ,Hungarians, South africans Australians, English ,Scots , Sierra whatevians , Brazillians ,Spanish, Italians, Israelis ,Iraqis ,French ,Americans ,Equadorians ,Phillipinos ,Irish , Ulstermen, Bulgarians,Portuguese ......I am always sacking Polish .


Now comes the real rub , the other Polish , who I might thought may intervene in the resultant fight if I went too far (I am getting restrained in my old age as far as retaliation is concerned).
But all they came out with was that he wasn't really Polish he was ethnic German (spit):dizzy2:
Now that is frigging racist .

[Scurvy]

:laugh4:

[Aenlic]

Heh, don't worry Tribesman, you can always come here to the backroom and get silly warnings which accuse you of being a racist as well. Funny world we live in, isn't it? ~D

[Banquo's Ghost]

Omigod, Tribesy, all those immigrants you're employing!

Don't you worry about the very fabric of our nation?

:bounce:

[Strike For The South]

Do you want a medal?

[Prince of the Poodles]

I was accused of racism today

Hey me too...

[Tribesman]

Omigod, Tribesy, all those immigrants you're employing!

Hey I don't employ them Banquo . Its the big Yank who I call Shrek who employs them .
His two reguar fellas have their hands full , one is a complete staunch republican who hates all immigrants despite himself having been an immigrant worker in Britain , Germany and the States , oh and loves one of those garrison games being a season ticket holder at Arsenal . He is fun to rip the ......urine....out of .
The other is normally so drunk if it wasn't for him being related to Shreks wife I couldn't see how anyone could employ him .
All I get is screening them to see who I can put with the Fenian git and who can manage by themselves with with the pisshead .
Oh , I normally get the apprentices as well , which is a real pain since with most of them I know their fathers or grandfathers .

Its only a job I take in the winter as it gives wet pay (4th year of it so far) , come summer I be back way out West with the bog-wogs where no one speaks English .
But even then we have a bloody good Romanian labourer , whose english is attrocious but whose Gaelic often leaves me stumped ( I really should have gone to school , but then again school taught ain't bugger all like the connemara dialect)

[KukriKhan]

Which is true .
When I am not sacking... Americans... I am always sacking Polish .


Why do you hate kielbasa freedom? Solidarnosc against the Irish oppressor! :laugh4: (As my Irish father spins in his grave).

This is contruction, I guess. Homes or commercial? You've got a mini-UN there; maybe ask them to tackle the world's political problems (they couldn't do any worse than the boobs in NYC).

[CrossLOPER]

you Are A Racist.

[Tribesman]

Do you want a medal?
Someone doesn't understand the irony :laugh4:



Why do you hate kielbasa freedom? Solidarnosc against the Irish oppressor!
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Not one of the silly buggers has joined a union


This is contruction, I guess. Homes or commercial?
Homes today , the flooded one is a nice riverside hotel , though building on nice flat flood plains does tend to produce forseeable problems:dizzy2:


You've got a mini-UN there; maybe ask them to tackle the world's political problems (they couldn't do any worse than the boobs in NYC).
You have got to be kidding , I am really shocked at the levels of intense hatred (often violent) that some of the eastern Europeans seem to have for other eastern Europeans

[Major Robert Dump]

Do you guys all work shirtless? That's hawt.

[CrossLOPER]

That's hawt.
Ya Rly.

[caravel]

Racism? Exists because we've defined it.

[cegorach]

But all they came out with was that he wasn't really Polish he was ethnic German (spit):dizzy2:
Now that is frigging racist .

Ehh crap. I am pretty aware of the animosities which appear between people who move abroad from various regions of the same state or several countries, you were just unlucky.

I guess the 'ethnic german' was an annoying fool who likes to say he is German in Poland and suddenly becomes self-claimed Pole abroad.
This kind of people have certain inferiority complex all too often and are the first ones to cause troubles.
Just treat the guy as he should be - an idiot who is a real shame for other people from the same state - various people work abroad and there is always one moron.



You have got to be kidding , I am really shocked at the levels of intense hatred (often violent) that some of the eastern Europeans seem to have for other eastern Europeans

He, he it reminds me Northern Ireland - I REALLY was shocked at the level of intense hatred (often violent) that some local guys had against others.:laugh4:

Actually, not really since I came to do some research about the Troubles which is my interest for some time, nevertheless I had to explain the local situation so many times... people were just not aware how complicated it is rather impossible to encounter something like this in Poland.

I wouldn't generalise too much here - it is rather some primitive guys vs some other stupid guys, not nationalities in general.:book:

[Redleg]

Welcome to the world of supervising others. Happens all the time when one has to make corrective actions on others regardless if its solely the individual in question who's actions initiated the action in the first place.

[Tribesman]

Welcome to the world of supervising others.
Nothing new really Red , had years of it , often as one of those damn foriegn immigrant workers myself .
The events of this incident were just so funny IMO that I thought I would share it .The only other incident that has come close was when I gave two idiots (I would use a differnt word there but forum correctness prevents it )a job .
Two British Nazis were who I had had several run ins with previously , one of which ended with the silly git pressing charges:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: .
They were stupid enough to come looking for work off me , and so completely brainless that they actually took it .:yes:

[KrooK]

YOU RACIST!!!!!
YOUR PLACE IS INTO PRISON:laugh4:

[Fragony]

The first time is always hard, but after a while you start to enjoy it. These things take time.

[Tribesman]

The first time is always hard, but after a while you start to enjoy it. These things take time.
Oh I understand now Frag .
So when you keep posting rubbish about immigrants and muslims it isn't because you are a racist , it is because you enjoy people thinking that you are .

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You have labor law which allow you to fire an employee for doing shoddy work?

No wonder you Irish have been doing such a bang-up job economically of late.

Here in the USA the chap would be union and even if the union agreed with you as to the worker's incompetence it would still take a month, several hearings, and quite possibly arbitration or a law-suit to actually fire the incompetent.

Of every 1000 or so Yanks, 27 hold law degrees. The rot is deep.

[Scurvy]

if it was an illegal worker? :2thumbsup:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

if it was an illegal worker? :2thumbsup:

In the USA?

The attorneys would not only line up for the chance to lodge the wrongful damages suit, they'd make sure the bloke was a citizen before it got to trial. Then Tribesy would have been hit with the emotional appeal for trying to stand in the way of the immigrant's dream along with everything else.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Here in the USA the chap would be union and even if the union agreed with you as to the worker's incompetence it would still take a month, several hearings, and quite possibly arbitration or a law-suit to actually fire the incompetent.You can fire workers? ~:confused:

[Redleg]

You can fire workers? ~:confused:
Well usually I only terminate (fire) those who are using work as another form of a welfare payment. Ie they collect a paycheck for doing as little as possible. What makes it even easier is the set policies on attendence - which allows for letting the individual go because of thier failure to come to work, these type of individuals normally get themselves fired through the attendence policy - which makes it all on them.

Now for those who come to the job site, but do not work - one has to provide the proper documentation that one attempted to get the individual to perform thier assigned tasks. Takes about 90 days to develop the documention that demonstrates the attempt to get the individual to perform the task properly within the job specifications that the individual orginally agreed to.

And yes anytime one goes to enforce the policies of the company on individuals who do not performed to the standard agreed upon when one is hired - the accusations of racism come up. I get about 3 to 4 a year depending on how much of this type of counselling I have to do. Negative performance counselling tends to bring about this type of accusation toward supervisors the most. A rather easy accusation to defeat, especially when one is willing to take the individual immediately to the Human Resources department so that they can file a complaint. It was rather interesting to see the individuals face when I did that, he thought I would back off on his poor performance counseling instead of addressing the accusation of racism.

[Papewaio]

Here, if you don't turn up to work without a valid reason (sick days, leave, carers day) 3 times then you get fired.

Mind you we get 20 days leave and 10 days sick leave per annum. Take a sick on a Monday or Friday and you need a Dr's certificate, or take more then one day off and you need a Dr's certificate.

[Redleg]

Here, if you don't turn up to work without a valid reason (sick days, leave, carers day) 3 times then you get fired.

Mind you we get 20 days leave and 10 days sick leave per annum. Take a sick on a Monday or Friday and you need a Dr's certificate, or take more then one day off and you need a Dr's certificate.

That is actually pretty decent.

It works something like this where I work.

4 days paid sick
2 days unpaid sick time. No doctor's note is required for this time off.

Edit: my company is rather low in its entitlement of sick time. Many companies are attempting to give up to a total of 10 days of sick time - the amount that is paid varies based upon company policy.

Up to 6 weeks of Family Medical Leave - some circumstances will allow the associate to get paid at a rate of 50% of there income. Other circumstances its just 6 weeks of leave without pay. This particlur program is good in concept - but sucks in application because of what defines acceptable leave for half pay and what does not.

We only require a doctors note for injuries involving work, or if you take leave. So if your absent for 3 days because you were sick (or not) you get to come back to work without a note - as long as you called in, during the days you were absent. 3 days without a call in results in a category of job abandonment. However one day without a call in - you get to come back to work with a warning about the next time. Rather easy to get the accusation of being unfair in the application of the time off catergory - since its rather confusing at times.

I always tell them if you come to work - you don't have to worry about the attendence policy. :yes:

[Papewaio]

Good thing with both holiday leave and sick leave were I work is that it adds up over time. So I have over 15 days sick leave left and a similar amount of holiday leave... although the employee is not told how much sick left they have left as the company doesn't want them to go out and 'spend' it, I do keep a track of the number of days I have been sick and hence have a good approximation of the time left. The only issue I have is that it is based on normal hours, none of the overtime I do accrues either form of leave... even though as a part of my income that was 1/6th of what I earned last year... it essentially means the true return for overtime is far less (higher tax bracket because it pushes me over the threshold for that pay period, + no sick leave, + no holiday leave).

[Fragony]

Oh I understand now Frag .
So when you keep posting rubbish about immigrants and muslims it isn't because you are a racist , it is because you enjoy people thinking that you are .

You got it all figured out, I do it all for you you know. You get to say the R word and I get to say boohoohooo, could stop of course but why mess with the balance.

[Redleg]

Good thing with both holiday leave and sick leave were I work is that it adds up over time. So I have over 15 days sick leave left and a similar amount of holiday leave... although the employee is not told how much sick left they have left as the company doesn't want them to go out and 'spend' it, I do keep a track of the number of days I have been sick and hence have a good approximation of the time left. The only issue I have is that it is based on normal hours, none of the overtime I do accrues either form of leave... even though as a part of my income that was 1/6th of what I earned last year... it essentially means the true return for overtime is far less (higher tax bracket because it pushes me over the threshold for that pay period, + no sick leave, + no holiday leave).

Thats pretty standard for the states to I believe.

Try being a salaried employee - a real lose on overtime, no pay for it at all.

But then I shouldn't complain to much since I get a consistent paycheck unlike some of my employees, and I am able to negotate my pay based on my performance better then the hourly wage employee.

[doc_bean]

You can fire workers? ~:confused:

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Over here you can try and bribe them to leave, that's about it.