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Banquo's Ghost
12-13-2006, 22:01
Someone get LEN out of the building before Mithrandir and Martok find him.
Turkish Airlines get the hump (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6175893.stm).
A job well done is worth celebrating, but Turkish Airlines say staff went too far when they sacrificed a camel.
To mark the last delivery of 100 aircraft, maintenance workers clubbed together to buy the beast - and then consume it.
The sacrifice took place at Istanbul international airport.
"They didn't ask permission," a spokeswoman for the airline told the BBC, adding that the boss of the offending staff had been suspended.
He will remain off work while the incident is investigated.
Camel is eaten in Turkey, while the sacrifice of animals - usually sheep - is performed during the Festival of Sacrifice, marking the prophet Ibrahim's willingness to sacrifice his son when God ordered him to.
"But it wasn't anything to do with that," said Belgin Alisan of Turkish Airlines, which was last week accepted into the Lufthansa-led Star Alliance.
"They went too far. We are really quite shocked."
Top-selling daily Hurriyet said 700kg of camel meat had been distributed among the workers.
Run, run for your lives...
:eeeek:
Ianofsmeg16
12-13-2006, 22:05
Hmmm interesting...so Ritual Sacrifice is allowed in Turkey? Whats going to happen to the people that did it? and finally.......what does camel taste like?
doc_bean
12-13-2006, 22:25
What the... ?
Next they're going to tell me I can't sacrifice goats anymore ! Where will this end ? We must stop the madness !
what does camel taste like?
Even if it tastes half as bad as a living camel smells, it must be :toilet:
LeftEyeNine
12-13-2006, 23:57
Wrong news there.
Turkish Airlines had purchased RJ 100 planes in 1992. One crashed taking 75 lives away and two planes got badly damaged. And the celebration of the sending back of the last one was a bit exaggerated by sacrificing a camel in the airport's apron by the order of the Plane Maintenance chief Şükrü Can. He was eventually sacked.
I'm disgusted the way the news is presented, let alone its fallacy. Nose-up Western way of attitude again.
The_Doctor
12-13-2006, 23:57
Interesting.:inquisitive:
My uncle once ran over a camel, the locals weren't too happy about it, nor where the guys in the backseats of the car...
Hosakawa Tito
12-14-2006, 00:50
Hmmm interesting...so Ritual Sacrifice is allowed in Turkey? Whats going to happen to the people that did it? and finally.......what does camel taste like?
Probably tastes like....chicken.
Louis VI the Fat
12-14-2006, 04:07
Wrong news there.
Turkish Airlines had purchased RJ 100 planes in 1992. One crashed taking 75 lives away and two planes got badly damaged. And the celebration of the sending back of the last one was a bit exaggerated by sacrificing a camel in the airport's apron by the order of the Plane Maintenance chief Şükrü Can. He was eventually sacked.
I'm disgusted the way the news is presented, let alone its fallacy. Nose-up Western way of attitude again.Come on, LEN, spare us the details and tell what the beast tastes liked roasted...http://matousmileys.free.fr/miam3.gif
I had roasted camel snout while traveling in north Africa. It tasted as bad as you would imagine. But I'd be the rest of the camel was great ...
Patriarch of Constantinople
12-14-2006, 06:30
hmmm interesting. does it taste like goat? new (only :laugh4: ) reason to go to turkey: taste camel!!!! mash that up good :smash: "how to cook camel" :book: mmmm mmmmm :yes:
OK :inquisitive: that was weird :help:
Kralizec
12-14-2006, 09:30
Odd news :inquisitive:
*lights a camel*
LeftEyeNine
12-14-2006, 10:30
Camel is a common animal of sacrifice. Though camels' habitat is not really Turkey and they are rarely sacrificed to such circumstances, Islam allows sacrificing camels.
And I didn't ever taste it.
KukriKhan
12-14-2006, 15:21
Come on, LEN, spare us the details and tell what the beast tastes liked roasted...http://matousmileys.free.fr/miam3.gif
According to this Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel), it tastes something like beef:
...The brisket, ribs and loin are some of the preferred parts of the animal, however it is the hump that is considered a delicacy and most favored. It is reported that camel meat tastes like coarse beef ...
Patriarch of Constantinople
12-15-2006, 02:37
Camel is a common animal of sacrifice. Though camels' habitat is not really Turkey and they are rarely sacrificed to such circumstances, Islam allows sacrificing camels.
And I didn't ever taste it.
Common western stereotype is that Turkey is like Arabia, sand camels and nomads. Now I never knew Islam allowed the sacrificing of camels, would you mid telling us what it symbolises, LEN?
Update on the poor sod who sacrificed the camel: (http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/12/13/D8M021OG0.html)
The image of an airport worker raising a large piece of bloodied camel meat on the tarmac on Tuesday adorned the front pages of several newspapers, drawing the wrath of transportation authorities, who promptly sacked the a senior technician on Wednesday.
Under pressure from the European Union, Turkey has introduced fines for those who slaughter animals outside special facilities. The sacrificing of a camel at Turkey's busiest airport was regarded as a disgrace.
I dont see what is wrong with it...
So you want to sacrifice something valuable to your god, nothing wrong there.
I'm all for it. If I ever set up an airline, this guy is getting a job. Maybe two.
LeftEyeNine
12-15-2006, 08:09
Common western stereotype is that Turkey is like Arabia, sand camels and nomads. Now I never knew Islam allowed the sacrificing of camels, would you mid telling us what it symbolises, LEN?
Common western way of attitude is medieval hypocrisy.
We have a sacrifice fest, a religious one dictated by Koran which especially aims at helping the poor. Cattles, sheeps and camels are counted suitable to sacrifice. You take one third of it for yourself, give out one third to your relatives and neighbors and one third to a poor family. Also you help the poor by helping with money, clothes etc. (=zekat). It is all about that. (This year the fest just clashes with the new year's day. Gah!)
Common western way of attitude is medieval hypocrisy.
Not surprising, last time I wanted to visit Vienna, I couldn't get in because you were besieging it...:furious3:
LEN, I have a question, is there even a single person in Turkey who owns a computer? Does Internet exist in Turkey?
Answer me quick or feel my sword, Muselmann.:whip:
Vladimir
12-15-2006, 21:24
Not surprising, last time I wanted to visit Vienna, I couldn't get in because you were besieging it...:furious3:
:rolleyes: Oh great, bring THAT up again. (:laugh4: )
Louis VI the Fat
12-15-2006, 21:52
...The brisket, ribs and loin are some of the preferred parts of the animal, however it is the hump that is considered a delicacy and most favored. It is reported that camel meat tastes like coarse beef ...
That should be great with a strong-flavoured Châteauneuf-du-pape then. Or, God forbid I should sink that low though, an intense Italian Barbaresco.
* heads off to the nearest zoo * http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/a-table.gif
LeftEyeNine
12-16-2006, 04:32
Not surprising, last time I wanted to visit Vienna, I couldn't get in because you were besieging it...:furious3:
LEN, I have a question, is there even a single person in Turkey who owns a computer? Does Internet exist in Turkey?
Answer me quick or feel my sword, Muselmann.:whip:
*sfort!*
KukriKhan
12-16-2006, 05:54
That should be great with a strong-flavoured Châteauneuf-du-pape then. Or, God forbid I should sink that low though, an intense Italian Barbaresco.
* heads off to the nearest zoo * http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Manger/a-table.gif
Perhaps. Although I admire the Papal appellation of Châteauneuf-du-pape , I feel strongly that a spicey/spikey Pinot Gris from Napa Valley (in the arrogant new world) would be just the thing to bring the beast to its knees and make it behave on the platter, as well as the palate.
Barbaresco would be bludgeonly barbaric. No sense killing both the dinner and the diner, in my humble opinion.
That said: side dish suggestions? Couscous? Or shall we simply whack off a chunk with our Jambiya, then drink from the bottle?
Louis VI the Fat
12-17-2006, 20:13
side dish suggestions? Yep, another Turkish delight:
LEN recommends... (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1352116&postcount=5) :beam:
Yep, another Turkish delight:
LEN recommends... (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1352116&postcount=5) :beam:
That only good if its shredded and used for the filling for Tamales. All one needs for that is a shot of Mescal. No need for wine.
Yep, another Turkish delight:
LEN recommends... (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1352116&postcount=5) :beam:
Meat with a side of meat? Turkey rules.
ZombieFriedNuts
12-17-2006, 21:16
I don’t see anything wrong with sacrificing a camel I think they are trying to hard to be accepted
LeftEyeNine
12-18-2006, 09:47
I don’t see anything wrong with sacrificing a camel I think they are trying to hard to be accepted
W-wha ?
doc_bean
12-18-2006, 10:16
W-wha ?
Don't be so intolerant LEN :no:
To me camel seems more normal to eat than snails or frogs legs. After all, people eat horse meat, goat meat, steak and pork so what is overly wrong with camel meat?
I think they found it wrong to do it on the airport, maybe even visible for guests who may not like to see a lot of blood in their happy holidays. It's a workplace and I guess the people were free to do it at home.
Louis VI the Fat
12-18-2006, 12:04
To me camel seems more normal to eat than snails or frogs legs. Yes, but nobody celebrates the delivery of their Renault by ritually sacrificing a frog...:beam:
And we don't eat cute kittens either :no:
And we don't eat cute kittens either :no:
I heard it tastes like rabbit...
Mmmm... rabbit.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
12-19-2006, 00:09
Cats, dogs and horses are the only things on my emotional "will not eat list" the reason being that I have relationships with dogs, cats and horses. That doesn't mean I'll eat something I don't have a relationship with, after all, not everything tastes good.
I have no real problem with sacrifice although I'd rather you cut the spine along with the throat, just to be nice. Its not something that should be done in an airport though. They could all have gone to the lead tech's house.
LeftEyeNine
12-19-2006, 01:48
Don't be so intolerant LEN :no:
E-eh ?
(You two work for the same organization, don't you)
And we don't eat cute kittens either :no:
All hail the Sato-Islamic sacrifice fest. :2thumbsup:
I don't see any problem.
If they want celebrating and eat something special, its only they own will.
This Sunday I will be celebrating Christmas and I'm going to eat special fish, and then 10 other dishes :)
The problem is that it isn't very smart, from what I have heard about Turkish airlines it's just stupid to sacrifice any alternative means of transportation, even if it's somewhat absolete.
Seamus Fermanagh
12-19-2006, 14:06
Was it a free range camel, or do I need to pass the word to PETA?
Louis VI the Fat
12-19-2006, 14:21
Was it a free range camel ?It probably was.
Turkey is full of camels, they're everywhere. Even in Istanbul. I hear there are lots of stray camels there, roaming the streets, eating garbage, spreading diseases. It's quite a problem. :book:
LeftEyeNine
12-19-2006, 21:12
It probably was.
Turkey is full of camels, they're everywhere. Even in Istanbul. I hear there are lots of stray camels there, roaming the streets, eating garbage, spreading diseases. It's quite a problem. :book:
Cats were spreading diseases as well. :2thumbsup:
yesdachi
12-19-2006, 22:49
Cats were spreading diseases as well. :2thumbsup:
Notice he said were. :wink:
I doubt it was the actual sacrifice that made the uproar but the place it was done. I would totally try a plate, pass me a slice of hump?
I use to know a guy that was a huge football (American) fan and while “tailgating” would make an attempt to grill what ever the mascot of the other team was.
Kralizec
12-19-2006, 22:51
pass me a slice of hump?
You know that camel humps almost entirely consist of fat, right? :inquisitive:
yesdachi
12-19-2006, 23:12
You know that camel humps almost entirely consist of fat, right? :inquisitive:
I know your game, tell me it’s all fat and I should eat this other part when you swoop in and take the entire hump for yourself! I’m not falling for it, that hump is mine, I call dibs! ~D
It was the most notable feature of the camel, were we eating whale I would have asked for blowhole, elephant… trunk…
Papewaio
12-20-2006, 01:41
Yes, but nobody celebrates the delivery of their Renault by ritually sacrificing a frog...:beam:
Instead it's the Renault's that are roasted in downtown Paris...
Cats, dogs and horses are the only things on my emotional "will not eat list" the reason being that I have relationships with dogs, cats and horses.
You have "relationships" with animals? :dizzy2:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
12-20-2006, 01:46
You have "relationships" with animals? :dizzy2:
I thought moderators weren't allowed to attack boardies.
I mean I have working relationships with Horses and dogs, being a sheep farmer and all. I occasionally get attached to tame sheep but I'll still kill them because I don't develope the same level of trust.
Reenk Roink
12-20-2006, 01:48
You have "relationships" with animals? :dizzy2:
I know people who talk to trees and plants (non-hippy people). Apparently, not only is it therapeutic, but it helps the trees/plants as well.
Anything to ridicule?:rolleyes:
Papewaio
12-20-2006, 01:57
Relationship is in the same category of biblically knowing someone... so it is a route to mirth.
Wig... sheep farmer? In which country are you located?
Check this out btw:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pink-kicks-up-a-stink/2006/12/20/1166290583553.html
Reenk Roink
12-20-2006, 02:01
Relationship is in the same category of biblically knowing someone... so it is a route to mirth.
A very narrow definition of relationship on your part led to your misunderstanding.
The kind of definition you are using runs into trouble with these kind of questions:
Don't you have a relationship with your mother?
Papewaio
12-20-2006, 03:15
It was a tongue in cheek comment... not a literal belief of 'Oh my gawd that guy is into beastality and and surfing!'
Del Arroyo
12-20-2006, 04:54
Common western way of attitude is medieval hypocrisy.
And the common eastern way of attitude is to always complain about the western way of attitude.
Please, think about what you say. If I came to your country, and tried to speak your language, and told you that your attitude was all wrong, using incorrect grammar, what would you think of me?
Reenk Roink
12-20-2006, 05:04
It was a tongue in cheek comment... not a literal belief of 'Oh my gawd that guy is into beastality and and surfing!'
My bad then. The written word is easily misinterpreted. :bow:
doc_bean
12-20-2006, 10:32
Cats were spreading diseases as well. :2thumbsup:
I hope you didn't eat them rare then, diseased animals should be thoroughly cooked before eating :yes:
LeftEyeNine
12-20-2006, 21:48
And the common eastern way of attitude is to always complain about the western way of attitude.
....since western way of attitude is generally based on hypocrisy.
Please, think about what you say. If I came to your country, and tried to speak your language, and told you that your attitude was all wrong, using incorrect grammar, what would you think of me?
Where should I pick this from ? What's your point in acting like an English teacher ?
And why do I have to act like hypocrites and disguise my thoughts of you when, someday, I'm there ? Is this really how you behave ? You shouldn't have hurried in making examples to my mislead, grammatically incorrect statements.
:coffeenews:
Del Arroyo
12-20-2006, 22:43
You shouldn't have hurried in making examples to my mislead, grammatically incorrect statements.
The point is not being an English teacher. The point is that if you are saying negative things and you can't even talk right, you sound kind of foolish. Actually, I have been a teacher of English as a foreign language, and even I am not really sure what you mean by the above quote.
There are a couple of Arabic-language online forums where I read and post occasionally. I have yet to call anyone there closed-minded or reactionary, even though sometimes that's exactly what I think.
LeftEyeNine
12-20-2006, 23:16
The point is not being an English teacher. The point is that if you are saying negative things and you can't even talk right, you sound kind of foolish. Actually, I have been a teacher of English as a foreign language, and even I am not really sure what you mean by the above quote.
Look, you've just grown better. You can talk honestly in the face, exactly about what you think. Good. It was for sure better than this:
If I came to your country, and tried to speak your language, and told you that your attitude was all wrong, using incorrect grammar, what would you think of me?
I can't say I'm a perfect English speaker, it's neither my native language nor I ever had the opportunity to live abroad so that I could improve where it seems to lack. Calling whom you intend to show the right thing "unable to talk it right" and "sounding foolish" is not the best way to start, Mr. Brown. "Knowing it" does not represent the ability of "teaching it". Take it as a pay back to your efforts on me.
There are a couple of Arabic-language online forums where I read and post occasionally. I have yet to call anyone there closed-minded or reactionary, even though sometimes that's exactly what I think.
Why did you feel so irritated ? Turkish saying goes "One dislikes it when he has a wound". I mean, generally and politically speaking, I have yet to see anything any more fake than what the West speaks. Even my awfully retarded attempts of communication can not prevent me from disclosing what I actually think.
Mr. Brown, in case my grammatically foolish sentences did not make any sense to you:
Me, Turk.
Me, not like, West.
West man, say white, do it black.
Why Me, say West man be black ?
Me, think West man be black.
Papewaio
12-20-2006, 23:25
Sorry to burst your bubble LEN, but apart from a slice of Mongolian genes and a dash of Islam... I pretty much think of Turks as essentially Westerners compared with the neck of the woods that I live in.
LeftEyeNine
12-20-2006, 23:51
Sorry to burst your bubble LEN, but apart from a slice of Mongolian genes and a dash of Islam... I pretty much think of Turks as essentially Westerners compared with the neck of the woods that I live in.
That's what you think, isn't it? :bow:
Papewaio
12-21-2006, 00:09
Not hard as I work with Turks, Chinese, Vietnamese, Americans, Lebanese etc etc.
End of the day there isn't that large a difference between the different people... there is a larger different between them and the rest of the population as we are all tech heads and the rest 'users'.
LeftEyeNine
12-21-2006, 00:26
Not hard as I work with Turks, Chinese, Vietnamese, Americans, Lebanese etc etc.
End of the day there isn't that large a difference between the different people... there is a larger different between them and the rest of the population as we are all tech heads and the rest 'users'.
I was largely talking about political areas, I may have forgotten to mention it. (Catch it, Mr. Brown. I have just found a grammatical mistake of mine.)
Papewaio
12-21-2006, 00:40
I think you will find that with politicians they are not much different from one country to another...
LeftEyeNine
12-21-2006, 00:41
I think you will find that with politicians they are not much different from one country to another...
Hoping to see the day. ~:)
Papewaio
12-21-2006, 00:44
I wasn't thinking of that as a positive...
self serving.
hypocrites.
pork barreling.
leadership by marketing polls.
backstabbing.
willing to go to war to distract from local domestic issues.
LeftEyeNine
12-21-2006, 00:51
Hoping to see the day to find out that your claim is true; I didn't take it positive.
KukriKhan
12-21-2006, 04:49
Heh, they seem alike enough these days that maybe they should form a Union. "[The] Amalgamated Society [of] Human-Oriented Legislative Encryptors, Syndicated" (A.S.H.O.L.E.S.) - they could get paid holidays, child care, a dental plan...my humble apologies to staff for tip-toeing over the line :bow: ; if deemed inappropriate, I accept your judgment.
Heh, they seem alike enough these days that maybe they should form a Union. "[The] Amalgamated Society [of] Human-Oriented Legislative Encryptors, Syndicated" (A.S.H.O.L.E.S.) - they could get paid holidays, child care, a dental plan...
:laugh4: :2thumbsup:
macsen rufus
12-21-2006, 13:51
Hey LEN, your English isn't bad. Better than my Turkish - and my Turkish friends only taught me three things - how to order beer, how to say thank you, and something about comparing someone's mother to a camel. They said that's all I'd need in Istanbul :laugh4: And to my shame I've forgotten it all now.....
(Or was it how to order camel and buy your mother a beer?)
how to say thank you
Who would have thought.........
//ok gone now
LeftEyeNine
12-21-2006, 16:22
Hey LEN, your English isn't bad. Better than my Turkish - and my Turkish friends only taught me three things - how to order beer, how to say thank you, and something about comparing someone's mother to a camel. They said that's all I'd need in Istanbul :laugh4: And to my shame I've forgotten it all now.....
(Or was it how to order camel and buy your mother a beer?)
Well I've just caculated taht I makes 4.11 grametical mistakenments a second.
OOPS I DID IT AGAIN ! ALL HAIL SUPERIOR LIFE FORMS !
Louis VI the Fat
12-21-2006, 18:02
A.S.H.O.L.E.S Teh ban! Teh ban! :smash:
*runs to the Watchtower, spamming the place with bitter protests over moderator hypocrisy*
KukriKhan
12-22-2006, 01:50
Don't forget to add that I can't spell for beans, display an unconscionable bias in favor of other points of view, and am just generally a lewd, crude, rude prude, dude.:laugh4:
Sometimes... I just crack me up.
It's a gift.
Oh, and on-topic: Is there some ritual to be observed in sacrificing camels? Some words that must be spoken, arm-and-hand flourishes performed? Incense, at least?
LeftEyeNine
12-22-2006, 08:18
A-ye, Kukri, some specific prayer is spoken before the sacrificing action (no incense, such stuff is taken mystic, which Islam avoids). The sacrifice is put down on its left side onto the ground, turned to Kıble (towards Kabe). Three legs except for its right back one are tied and the blade cuts through trachea, alimentary canal and cortid artery at once and instantly.
The method does not vary from one type of sacrifice to another.
Vladimir
12-22-2006, 19:07
Wow, I never imagined LEN uttering a nationalistic (or regionalistic?:inquisitive: ?) diatribe. If you really want this light-hearted and humorous thread to devolve into an East vs. West rant we can discuss the "equal" treatment of religious minorities under the Ottoman Empire; however, I think that is best suited for another thread.
And about the grammatical thing: I've been pretty impressed with your command of the English language in the past. I wouldn't worry too much about not using the "right" word as you'll find millions of ignorant native English speakers.
If you really want this light-hearted and humorous thread to devolve into an East vs. West rant we can discuss the "equal" treatment of religious minorities under the Ottoman Empire.
As long as it doesn't devolve into an East vs. West "equal" treatment of camels ~:confused:
LeftEyeNine
12-22-2006, 22:56
Wow, I never imagined LEN uttering a nationalistic (or regionalistic?:inquisitive: ?) diatribe. If you really want this light-hearted and humorous thread to devolve into an East vs. West rant we can discuss the "equal" treatment of religious minorities under the Ottoman Empire; however, I think that is best suited for another thread.
Isn't it obvious that I'm nationalist ? What's so ugly about it, I really can't understand ?
Aah, you'd like to start there about Ottomans and it would end somewhere you wouldn't like and imagine. I just love to tell what's in my mind, it was not about starting an East vs. West rant. Actually your reply would best suit at BBC link of the topic news. Check how the news was told.
And about the grammatical thing: I've been pretty impressed with your command of the English language in the past. I wouldn't worry too much about not using the "right" word as you'll find millions of ignorant native English speakers.
Thank you :bow: But I have recently decided to devote my life to meet the goal of Mr. Brown 's teachings so as to please him.
Patriarch of Constantinople
12-28-2006, 07:12
Isn't it obvious that I'm nationalist ? What's so ugly about it, I really can't understand ?
That's what I always say........
Oh and trust me, never get in an East VS West debate with LEN. Trust me. Don't mutter anything about the Ottoman Empire either. Trust me.
:beam:
Strike For The South
12-28-2006, 07:15
Turkey>Greece.....discuss
Turkey>Greece.....discuss
Turkey<Greece......discussed
Banquo's Ghost
12-28-2006, 08:15
Turkey>Greece.....discuss
I'm hoping that you are referring to the leftovers from Christmas lunch being more tasty than basting fat (which is more usually spelt "grease").
This would be an odd diversion from the topic at hand, but infinitely better than trying to provoke a round of country bashing, which some less enlightened readers might infer from your wording.
Let us all work on the assumption that it is the former explanation, shall we?
:bow:
LeftEyeNine
12-28-2006, 08:24
That's what I always say........
Oh and trust me, never get in an East VS West debate with LEN. Trust me. Don't mutter anything about the Ottoman Empire either. Trust me.
:beam:
You make me look as if I'm an ugly racist monster. You know well about the issue between us and don't divert what's happened in such a way that is not true about me. Chatroom lads will help anyone interested in what I'm talking about, if any do.
Now take your basket and take your way please, this is the forum not the chatroom.
Ser Clegane
12-28-2006, 15:10
It seems that the discussion of the original topic has been exhausted and that some of the last posts do not really serve a meaningful purpose (except for baiting perhaps).
Thanks for your participation
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