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Ianofsmeg16
12-14-2006, 10:40
This Made me Laugh for about two seconds...The I realised it could actually be serious...
A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.
The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.
It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India.
The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.
Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.
The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.
It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters
Sunil Mehra
The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have penises which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.
Doctor Chander Puri, a specialist in reproductive health at the Indian Council of Medical Research, told the BBC there was an obvious need in India for custom-made condoms, as most of those currently on sale are too large.
The issue is serious because about one in every five times a condom is used in India it either falls off or tears, an extremely high failure rate.
And the country already has the highest number of HIV infections of any nation.
'Not a problem'
Mr Puri said that since Indians would be embarrassed about going to a chemist to ask for smaller condoms there should be vending machines dispensing different sizes all around the country.
"Smaller condoms are on sale in India. But there is a lack of awareness that different sizes are available. There is anxiety talking about the issue. And normally one feels shy to go to a chemist's shop and ask for a smaller size condom."
But Indian men need not be concerned about measuring up internationally according to Sunil Mehra, the former editor of the Indian version of the men's magazine Maxim.
"It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters," he said.
"From our population, the evidence is Indians are doing pretty well.
"With apologies to the poet Alexander Pope, you could say, for inches and centimetres, let fools contend."
"It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters," he said.
A little Cliche but....:laugh4: :laugh4:
Funny but actually a little sad. They have the highest HIV inffection rates of any country along with one of the highest population growth rates. This may not be that main reason but it is definately cause for concern. They should definately have smaller sizes in vending machines, would go along ways to helping. Becuase no man in the world wants to go up to the pharmacy counter and ask the clerk for the midget sized condoms.:help:
macsen rufus
12-14-2006, 11:56
Yes, it is serious, but the embarrassment factor is addressed by the naming conventions: regular, large and superking :laugh4: They just need the 'regular', is all....
That is indeed a sorry state of affairs. I agree with Macsen Rufus in that they should rebrand the sizes for india.
I'm at the other end of the scale and can't get ones big enough. :embarassed:
doc_bean
12-14-2006, 13:45
Studies conducted all over the world have given similar results. It seems like it's hard to standardize condoms since getting information about size seems to be dificult (for some reason).
Someone on another forum recently remarked that you can't have a thread about condoms without at least one guy coming in 'complaining' about how big his penis is. I guess this thread proves him right :laugh4:
Pfft who need condoms...
...When they're such nerds as me.
yesdachi
12-14-2006, 15:34
Anybody know what it says on the bottom of a condom when you roll it all the way down?
If you don’t then you must have never had to roll it all the way down! :laugh4:
Someone on another forum recently remarked that you can't have a thread about condoms without at least one guy coming in 'complaining' about how big his dick is. I guess this thread proves him right :laugh4:
Well, it's too much to keep it too myself :laugh4:
There's definitely something to the naming conventions. As a long-time married lemur, I haven't had to buy a condom in about a decade, but back in the pre-history of the early '90s, there wasn't much choice in sizes. There were "normal" condoms, can't recall if there were any sizes offered, and the only option for you if the regulars were overly constrictive were the "Magnums." And it was impossible to not feel like a complete jerk/idiot/poser walking up to the counter and asking for a frickin' Magnum.
Back then, the only way to find a right-sized condom was to try several different brands. I assume the situation has gotten more civilized since?
Kanamori
12-14-2006, 16:15
Back then, the only way to find a right-sized condom was to try several different brands. I assume the situation has gotten more civilized since?
Nope.~:(
There's 'too big' and 'so small it can't stay up right'.:gah2:
Honestly, you'd think that there's some plastic out there that is more elastic that'd work...
Oh, "The problems of commercial-standardized variations of penis size.":shame:
IrishArmenian
12-14-2006, 16:36
They desperately need new sizes. Odd, in Armenia, we have no such problem.
When it comes to national penis size, everyone’s country is inhabited by the Pillars of Hercules.
Perhaps Indian men are just less inclined to lie exaggerate.
Actually, according to one of the few people who ever studied this seriously (http://www.springerlink.com/content/j517r35408304087/), gay men have us all beat:
The relation between sexual orientation and penile dimensions in a large sample of men was studied. Subjects were 5,122 men interviewed by the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction from 1938 to 1963. They were dichotomously classified as either homosexual (n = 935) or heterosexual (n = 4187). Penile dimensions were assessed using five measures of penile length and circumference from Kinsey's original protocol. On all five measures, homosexual men reported larger penises than did heterosexual men. Explanations for these differences are discussed, including the possibility that these findings provide additional evidence that variations in prenatal hormonal levels (or other biological mechanisms affecting reproductive structures) affect sexual orientation development.
yesdachi
12-14-2006, 16:55
^^ Another reason women say the “good ones” are all either taken or gay. ~D
That is indeed a sorry state of affairs. I agree with Macsen Rufus in that they should rebrand the sizes for india.
I'm at the other end of the scale and can't get ones big enough. :embarassed:
*rolls eyes*
:inquisitive:
I think all men would like to say that. :no:
macsen rufus
12-14-2006, 18:23
Hmmm, the Kinsey report is interesting, but would be more interesting still if it wasn't anecdotal evidence it was based upon. Still, I guess gay men get more chances to "compare notes" :juggle2:
Hmmm, the Kinsey report is interesting, but would be more interesting still if it wasn't anecdotal evidence it was based upon. Still, I guess gay men get more chances to "compare notes" :juggle2:
Gay men just have less quams about showing off their penises. Straight men like to brag, but ussually don't show (esp. since the ones that brag all the time ussually do it because theirs is small...).
Hmmm, the Kinsey report is interesting, but would be more interesting still if it wasn't anecdotal evidence it was based upon. Still, I guess gay men get more chances to "compare notes"
I'm not sure how you're applying the term "anecdotal" here. It sounds as though a sample of about 5,000 males were measured; that's a statistically significant number, surely.
Samurai Waki
12-14-2006, 20:12
I believe width is far more a concern to your female companion than length, as after about 3-3 1/2 inches they really can't feel it beyond that. Unless its too big and hits the top of their uterus which is apparently quite painful for a female..
Anyways, I hated condoms... so when I got into a REAL relationship, I made her take birth control. Not that it worked anyways.:wall:
Banquo's Ghost
12-14-2006, 21:21
It's not size, it's what you do with it that matters
Before any of us get too amused at Indian "misfortune", we should reflect on this old saw and consider where the Kama Sutra originated.
:2thumbsup: :bow:
yesdachi
12-14-2006, 21:25
Unless its too big and hits the top of their uterus which is apparently quite painful for a female..
Slight correction, it’s the cervix that you hit not the uterus. :bow:
You don’t have to be exceptionally well endowed to “bottom out” if you maneuver into the correct (or incorrect depending on your intention) position.
Prince of the Poodles
12-14-2006, 23:50
Actually, according to one of the few people who ever studied this seriously (http://www.springerlink.com/content/j517r35408304087/), gay men have us all beat:
The relation between sexual orientation and penile dimensions in a large sample of men was studied. Subjects were 5,122 men interviewed by the Kinsey Institute for Research in Sex, Gender, and Reproduction from 1938 to 1963. They were dichotomously classified as either homosexual (n = 935) or heterosexual (n = 4187). Penile dimensions were assessed using five measures of penile length and circumference from Kinsey's original protocol. On all five measures, homosexual men reported larger penises than did heterosexual men. Explanations for these differences are discussed, including the possibility that these findings provide additional evidence that variations in prenatal hormonal levels (or other biological mechanisms affecting reproductive structures) affect sexual orientation development.
Well I wasnt going to say anything... ~D
This wouldn't be so hilarious if it weren't for the Sikh at my school who keeps trying to remind the Chinese boys that they have a deficit. Now I can gloat. Excessively.
Not that I couldn't anyway...
Samurai Waki
12-15-2006, 00:42
Yeah. I haven't heard any Chinese say something about this...
Justiciar
12-15-2006, 00:46
When it comes to national penis size, everyone’s country is inhabited by the Pillars of Hercules.
Perhaps Indian men are just less inclined to lie exaggerate.
True, that. :laugh4: Siggified.
IrishArmenian
12-15-2006, 00:48
Before any of us get too amused at Indian "misfortune", we should reflect on this old saw and consider where the Kama Sutra originated.
:2thumbsup: :bow:
Banquo has quite a point. We still owe these people!
Samurai Waki
12-15-2006, 00:54
I wonder if any nation has ever complained that Condoms were being made too small. :laugh4:
I wonder if any nation has ever complained that Condoms were being made too small. :laugh4:
Oh man, so many jokes could be made about this comment.
*Tries to Control Self*
I have a few indian friends. Im deciding whether or not to bring it up next time we meet.
Before any of us get too amused at Indian "misfortune", we should reflect on this old saw and consider where the Kama Sutra originated.
:2thumbsup: :bow:
well now we know why they went to the trouble of inventing it! :laugh4:
Kralizec
12-15-2006, 14:52
I wonder if any nation has ever complained that Condoms were being made too small. :laugh4:
Well, now you know why AIDS became such a large problem in African countries...
IrishArmenian
12-15-2006, 16:58
Well, now you know why AIDS became such a large problem in African countries...
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Just spilt my drink.
Okay, the fact nerd in me couldn't let this one go. Apparently there has been no legitimate study (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_penis_size#Race_and_penis_size) of penis size differences between races. The only statistically sound study was Kinsey's, which broke the subjects down between straight and gay.
Differences in average penis size between different races has been a subject of considerable controversy.
The cultural issues involved with the question of race and penis size are complex, with both larger and smaller penises used as justification for regarding other races as inferior; as evidence of an oversexed and brutish animal nature in the former case, or of sexual inadequacy in the latter case. In general, there is a tendency to see the penis size of one's own group as the "right" size, compared to those of others.
There is considerable debate as to whether specific racial variations in penis size exist, and if they do, whether observed variations can be explained in terms of other factors such as correlations of penis size to body size. In any case, within-group variation in penis size (±30%, see above) seems to be considerably larger than claimed between-group variation of average penis size (±4%, see below).
To date, there has been no conclusive evidence that race and penis size are at all correlated and all studies that have been done have been rejected by the scientific community due to inaccuracy, respondent bias, or unverifiable claims. Rushton has also stated that the World Health Organization specifies 5.3 cm (2.09 in) wide condoms for Africa, 5.2 cm (2.05 in) wide condoms for Europe, and 4.9 cm (1.93 in) condoms for Asia.
A 2002 Survey, "Can shoe size predict penile length?" was conducted to establish if the belief in whether the size of a man's penis can be estimated from his shoe size has any basis in fact. Two urologists measured the stretched penile length of 104 men in a prospective study and related this to their shoe size. The median stretched penile length for the sampled population was 13 cm (5.1 in) and the median UK shoe size was 9 (European 43). There was no statistically significant correlation between shoe size and stretched penile length.
A test-retest study was done in 2002. The study aimed to establish the test-retest reliability of measurement of the erect penis using paper strips in a sample of 312 gay men. The men were issued with color-coded measuring strips printed with instructions but no calibrations, and asked to measure both the length and circumference of their partners' erect penis. Three months later they were asked to repeat these measures. Mean length on first measurement was 15.3 cm (6.02 in) and 15.2 cm (5.98 in) on second measurement. Mean girth at first measurement was 12.5 cm (4.92 in) and 12.6 cm (4.96 in) at second measurement. Test-retest reliability of measurement was found to be moderately low at r = 0.60 for length and r = 0.53 for girth"
A test-retest study was done in 2002. The study aimed to establish the test-retest reliability of measurement of the erect penis using paper strips in a sample of 312 gay men. The men were issued with color-coded measuring strips printed with instructions but no calibrations, and asked to measure both the length and circumference of their partners' erect penis. Three months later they were asked to repeat these measures. Mean length on first measurement was 15.3 cm (6.02 in) and 15.2 cm (5.98 in) on second measurement. Mean girth at first measurement was 12.5 cm (4.92 in) and 12.6 cm (4.96 in) at second measurement. Test-retest reliability of measurement was found to be moderately low at r = 0.60 for length and r = 0.53 for girth"
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I must resist the urge to post the pun that comes to mind about this study. :shame:
Louis VI the Fat
12-15-2006, 22:03
The median stretched penile length for the sampled population was 13 cm (5.1 in) Is 'stretched' the same as 'erect' or is my joy and relief over this find premature?
Before any of us get too amused at Indian "misfortune", we should reflect on this old saw and consider where the Kama Sutra originated.
Wasnt there a good sized portion of the book related to elongating the male member?:juggle2:
Is 'stretched' the same as 'erect' or is my joy and relief over this find premature?
Your guess is as good as mine. I'm just thrilled that you managed to put "erect" and "premature" in the same sentence.
doc_bean
12-16-2006, 10:50
Wasnt there a good sized portion of the book related to elongating the male member?:juggle2:
My knowledge of the good book comes only from what people who have read it have told me, but apparently men are divided into types, named after animals, based on penis size (or even form ?). The less endowed are termed 'rabbits'.
Is 'stretched' the same as 'erect' or is my joy and relief over this find premature?
From the study (http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1046/j.1464-410X.2002.02974.x):
The true physiological length of the penis can only be obtained when the penis is fully erect; it was not feasible for the present study to measure this variable and thus an indirect method was used. Two previous studies have shown that stretched penile length is a valid estimate of erect length [2,3]. Thus the linear distance from the symphysis pubis to the tip of the glans along the dorsal aspect, under maximal extension of the phallus, was recorded
using a measuring tape.
abstract from study 3 (http://www.jurology.com/article/PIIS0022534701656829/abstract)(I think):
Mean flaccid length was 8.8 cm., stretched length 12.4 cm. and erect length 12.9 cm. Neither patient age nor size of the flaccid penis accurately predicted erectile length. Stretched length most closely correlated with erect length.
The first reference is too old to track down (well, on the net anyway).
Conclusion: they were talking about stretched and not erect state, but since the difference is seems so small (according to the other study) and they did measure erect penises there (average about 13cm), it doesn't really matter :bow:
I stumbled across a much lighter-hearted compilation (http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=health&category=sexual.health&conitem=1a09d204aeddb010VgnVCM100000cfe793cd____) of little-known facts and figures about your willie. Enjoy.
1. Smoking can shorten your penis by as much as a centimeter. Erections are all about good bloodflow, and lighting up calcifies blood vessels, stifling erectile circulation. So even if you don't care all that much about your lungs or dying young, spare the li'l guy.
2. Doctors can now grow skin for burn victims using the foreskins of circumcised infants. One foreskin can produce 23,000 square meters, which would be enough to tarp every Major League infield with human flesh.
3. An enlarged prostate gland can cause both erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation. If you have an unexplained case of either, your doctor's looking forward to checking your prostate. Even if you're not.
4. The average male orgasm lasts 6 seconds. Women get 23 seconds. Which means if women were really interested in equality, they'd make sure we have four orgasms for every one of theirs.
5. The oldest known species with a penis is a hard-shelled sea creature called Colymbosathon ecplecticos. That's Greek for "amazing swimmer with large penis." Which officially supplants Buck Naked as the best porn name, ever.
6. Circumcised foreskin can be reconstructed. Movable skin on the shaft of the penis is pulled toward the tip and set in place with tape. Later, doctors apply plastic rings, caps, and weights. Years can pass until complete coverage is attained. . . . Okay, we'll shut up now.
7. Only one man in 400 is flexible enough to give himself oral pleasure. It's estimated, however, that all 400 have given it their best shot at some point.
8. There are two types of penises. One kind expands and lengthens when becoming erect (a grower). The other appears big most of the time, but doesn't get much bigger after achieving erection (a shower).
9. An international Men's Health survey reports that 79 percent of men have growers, 21 percent have showers.
10. German researchers say the average intercourse lasts 2 minutes, 50 seconds, yet women perceive it as lasting 5 minutes, 30 seconds. Are we that good or that bad?
11. Turns out size does matter: The longer your penis, the better "semen displacement" you'll achieve when having sex with a woman flush with competing sperm. That's according to researchers at the State University of New York, who used artificial phalluses (ahem) to test the "scooping" mechanism of the penis's coronal ridge. Next up: curing cancer.
12. The penis that's been enjoyed by the most women could be that of King Fatefehi of Tonga, who supposedly deflowered 37,800 women between the years 1770 and 1784 -- that's about seven virgins a day. Go ahead, say it: It's good to be king.
13. Better-looking men may have stronger sperm. Spanish researchers showed women photos of guys who had good, average, and lousy sperm -- and told them to pick the handsomest men. The women chose the best sperm producers most often.
14. No brain is necessary for ejaculation. That order comes from the spinal cord. Finding a living vessel for said ejaculation, however, takes hours of careful thought and, often, considerable amounts of alcohol.
15. The most common cause of penile rupture: vigorous masturbation. Some risks are just worth taking.
Conqueror
12-18-2006, 12:15
4. The average male orgasm lasts 6 seconds. Women get 23 seconds. Which means if women were really interested in equality, they'd make sure we have four orgasms for every one of theirs.
:2thumbsup:
Banquo's Ghost
12-18-2006, 16:30
4. The average male orgasm lasts 6 seconds. Women get 23 seconds. Which means if women were really interested in equality, they'd make sure we have four orgasms for every one of theirs.
You mean they don't?
:inquisitive:
Gregoshi
12-18-2006, 16:40
:smoking:
:sleeping:
I believe width is far more a concern to your female companion than length, as after about 3-3 1/2 inches they really can't feel it beyond that. Unless its too big and hits the top of their uterus which is apparently quite painful for a female..
Some women liken it to the female equivalent of getting kicked in the family jewels. On the other hand I know from experience that some women rather enjoy it... :inquisitive: :dizzy2:
Samurai Waki
12-18-2006, 19:13
Well some men like women to grind their heel into their genitalia. I think I would pass on that offer.:skull:
Well some men like women to grind their heel into their genitalia.
Based on this comment, I think it's high time you erased your web browsing history.
Samurai Waki
12-18-2006, 23:16
I'm really good at digging myself into a hole. :laugh4:
I think I actually watched something about the AIDs Epidemic in Siberia, and they interviewed some Whacko Russian Guy about it, he mentioned that he liked covorting with the Prostitutes, and went into great length exactley what he liked them to do, because he didn't want any vaginal penetration (in fear of contracting HIV). I think my face was scrunched into a permanent wince throughout the entire program.
My Fiancee is a Toxicologist and actually enjoys watching weird *** shows like that.
Thankfully she hasn't applied (to my knowledge) anything she has learned by watching Discovery Health in the Bedroom.:sweatdrop:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
12-18-2006, 23:57
Oh man, you know when you wander into a topic and you read it all and there's nothing you can say.
I think penis length may well be related to race, its certainly widely believed, which is persuasive. Imagine if it turned out it was genetic.
That would cause all sorts of ructions.
@Lemur's post:
Wikipedia is not a credible source of information therefore everything you copied and pasted from it or linked to on it cannot be taken seriously.
Strike For The South
12-19-2006, 04:09
i have this problem. I usually have to stich about 4 magnums together. Not to mentio the midget who carries it around is complaining about his back. I mean you really cant find good midget help. Ill get a mexican midget hell work twice as hard for half the pay. Im going to start smuggling Mexican midgets.
Good one, Strike! There's the SFTS that we know and love!
Wikipedia is not a credible source of information therefore everything you copied and pasted from it or linked to on it cannot be taken seriously.
Ah, but I also quoted from the paragon of reliable news sources, Men's Health, which means that everything I post is correct.
Kralizec
12-19-2006, 15:25
I think penis length may well be related to race, its certainly widely believed, which is persuasive. Imagine if it turned out it was genetic.
That would cause all sorts of ructions.
Imagine the ruction if it turns out that skin and hair colour are genetic...o wait :oops:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
12-20-2006, 01:51
Imagine the ruction if it turns out that skin and hair colour are genetic...o wait :oops:
Maybe one day they'll discover that genetic differences are why Africans dominate sprinting events.
Hey that wiki article is nonsense. if I ever get off M2TW related stuff I'll post a few links to studies that HAVE been conducted.
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