View Full Version : Those vile five year olds!!! Castrate them!!!
Don Corleone
12-21-2006, 15:51
You know, perhaps the radical feminists are right. All men should be castrated at birth, preferably without anasthesia. I mean, men are brutish pigs, and if it weren't for our semen, we would hold no value to society. Here in America, we lead the world in identifying the horror and the evil that lurks in the hearts of 4 and 5 year old boys. Yes folks, that's right. The same country that brought you the suspension & sexual harrassment charges against a 4 year old for hugging a teacher in November, now offers: 5-year old to be place on list of sexual offenders for pinching classmate's buttocks. (http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=154557&format=print) :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :dizzy2:
Anybody who claims the UK is in the grips of being a nanny state has no idea. The brits are pikers when it comes to us. I think we should start charging any breast-feeding baby boys with sexual assault. I mean, the mother doesn't ALWAYS want to feed right at the moment the little monster starts demanding to be fed. That could be construed as unwanted sexual contact, and we should slap a 'habitual sexual offender' tag on his ass.
All angry sarcasm aside... don't these morons realize that if they make every male a sexual offender, we all are, and therefore, none of us are? Unfortunately, sexual predators are a very real threat. But labelling 4 & 5 year olds as sexual offenders? All that does is serve to dilute the outrage factor. Based on these criteria, I think you'll be hard pressed in 20 years to find a male under age 25 that's NOT a sexual offender of one sort or another....:dizzy2:
From the you-have-got-to-be-frickin'-kidding (http://www.herald-mail.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=154557&format=print) files ...
Wednesday December 20, 2006
School accuses 5-year-old of sex harassment
HAGERSTOWN - A kindergarten student was accused earlier this month of sexually harassing a classmate at Lincolnshire Elementary School, an accusation that will remain on his record until he moves to middle school.
Washington County Public Schools spokeswoman Carol Mowen said the definition of sexual harassment used by the school system is, "unwelcome sexual advances, request for sexual favors and/or other inappropriate verbal, written or physical conduct of a sexual nature directed toward others."
Mowen said that definition comes from the Maryland State Department of Education.
According to a school document provided by the boy's father, the 5-year-old pinched a girl's buttocks on Dec. 8 in a hallway at the school south of Hagerstown.
Charles Vallance, the boy's father, said he was unable to explain to his son what he had done.
"He knows nothing about sex," Vallance said. "There's no way to explain what he's been written up for. He knows it as playing around. He doesn't know it as anything sexual at all."
The incident was described as "sexual harassment" on the school form.
School officials consider a student's age and the specific action when determining what administrative action to take, Mowen said.
Lincolnshire Principal Darlene Teach and Mowen said they were unable to discuss he incident involving the Lincolnshire student.
Teach said any student, regardless of grade level, can be cited for sexual harassment.
"Anytime a student touches another student inappropriately, it could be sexual harassment," Teach said.
School administrators at a Texas school in November suspended a 4-year-old student for inappropriately touching a teacher's aide after the prekindergarten student hugged the woman.
"It's important to understand a child may not realize that what he or she is doing may be considered sexual harassment, but if it fits under the definition, then it is, under the state's guidelines," Mowen said. "If someone has been told this person does not want this type of touching, it doesn't matter if it's at work or at school, that's sexual harassment."
The incident will be included in the boy's file while he remains at Lincolnshire, but Mowen said those files do not follow students when they move on to middle school.
She described the incident as a "learning opportunity."
During the 2005-06 school year, 28 kindergarten students in Maryland were suspended for sex offenses, including sexual assault, sexual harassment and sexual activity, according to state data. Fifteen of those suspensions were for sexual harassment.
During the 2005-06 school year, one Washington County prekindergarten student was suspended from school, and 12 of the county's kindergartners were suspended for various offenses, according to state data.
In an offhand way, this reminds me of the recent case (http://www.atlantamagazine.com/article.php?id=158) of a 17-year-old who will now be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life (in addition to spending 10 years in prison) for receiving oral stimulation from a 15-year-old girl. I wouldn't argue that what the boy did was correct in any sense, but a decade in prison and a lifetime of shame? That seems like an outrageous abuse of justice. Second degree murderers get off easier.
Sorry, dupe of DonC's post. If some kind mod could please combine ...
A kindergarten student was accused earlier this month of sexually harassing a classmate
and it gets worse:
During the 2005-06 school year, one Washington County prekindergarten student was suspended from school, and 12 of the county's kindergartners were suspended for various offenses, according to state data.
:no:
Common sense? Does it still exist?
How long will it take before the whole world will be ruled by the dictatorship of idiotic lawsuits, crazy courts and dito laws?
Do I need to buy an island and start my own country, being the only one where common sense is allowed...?
A world inhabited by idiots who like to sue everybody for anything and are guaranteed to win or at least get an important financial compensation. Thank God I studied law ! YEEHAA !!! Let the euro's/dollars come to daddy TheCunning ~:pimp: This kind of idiocy is to be encouraged :rtwyes:
Samurai Waki
12-21-2006, 16:13
Hey, I want to take down sexual offenders as much as most people do, but I think targeting people under that certain age...of like 13 or 14 for pretty much anything aside from a slap on the wrist or a good talking too, is pretty sick.
God, completily nuts. It reminds me a bit of a study on sexual intimidation at work, men are so scared to be considered one of improper behaviour that it becomes impossible to work with women for them.
Marshal Murat
12-21-2006, 16:49
At the bottom of the report there was a statement at '15 of the students' had some sort of sexual harassment charge on other students.
I say it has more to do with the media at large. Maybe this is the residue effect of all those bad sitcoms and shows? That sex has pervaded every niche of our lifestyle that 5-year olds imitate it.
Strike For The South
12-21-2006, 16:53
What the hell?
What the hell?
I rather agree with you...
doc_bean
12-21-2006, 17:13
Why stop at five year olds ? Castrate all Americans I say, let's end this problem once and for all ~D
Why stop at five year olds ? Castrate all Americans I say, let's end this problem once and for all ~D
There are more elegant solutions, just criminalise turning of the lights at night.
Goofball
12-21-2006, 18:00
I really don't know what to say.
Wow.
a slap on the wrist
Hey there, don't promote sexual assault here!:dizzy2: :wall:
Hey there, don't promote sexual assault here!:dizzy2: :wall:
A slap on the wrist a sexual assault huh, you like taking matters into your own hands dontcha ~;)
Rameusb5
12-21-2006, 20:52
Did you know that in Japan they have separate trains for women to take because of all the unwanted groping that goes on?
Of course, calling a 5 year old a sexual offender is ridiculous. But the fact that schools can't administer corporal punishment is equally so. I think a spanking would be a far more appropriate response to this kid's action. Besides, I hardly think that the kid even realizes that he's being punished. Oh noes! Not my permanent record!!! Spanking works because pain is univerally understood as bad.
The kneepads and helmets and coddling and general lack of actual parenting that goes on today explains exactly why we have so many adult morons with thier hands out expecting everything on a silver platter. It also explains why kids show up to school with guns and start killing everyone.
Incidentaly, I used to run around in Kindergarden 30 years ago kissing all the girls. I wonder if what would have happened if today's rules had applied.
yesdachi
12-21-2006, 21:22
All these school system definitions seem to be misinterpreted when dealing with children, and these teachers of the year dishing out the accusations are just another reason I can’t stand our public school system. Seriously, if they can’t distinguish the difference between a child’s innocent actions and sexual harassment how can I expect them to teach my kids… anything besides math, but not geometry, you get a few suggestive shapes next to the wrong teacher and that’s it! Every school with a principal or board of directors worth a darn should be viewing cases like these and acknowledging the outrage with a swift revision to their sexual harassment definitions.
I was thoroughly surprised by this headline... then I saw it took place in Maryland and everything fell into place. :laugh4:
Seamus Fermanagh
12-21-2006, 22:37
Well, it'll only be a problem for a short while. Once he's up to grade one, they'll manufacture some excuse to get him Ritilin'ed until he can barely think. If that's not quite enough, they'll discover dyslexia or auditory processing disorder and short-bus him as well. The school system is surprisingly resilient.
Louis VI the Fat
12-21-2006, 22:48
When I was five I was playing 'doctor and nurse' with my nieces. I mean, what the hell does a five year old know about sex? Never mind sexual harrasment? You couldn't even explain it to him.
What's next? Arresting toddlers for indecent exposure if they drop their pants / diapers, like they're prone to do?
:help:
I'm going to laugh my balls off if some nutjob whacks this kid when he turns 20 for being a sex offender.
Lorenzo_H
12-21-2006, 23:02
I'm glad I live in the UK sometimes. I take it this has never happened here?
In an offhand way, this reminds me of the recent case of a 17-year-old who will now be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life (in addition to spending 10 years in prison) for receiving oral stimulation from a 15-year-old girl. I wouldn't argue that what the boy did was correct in any sense, but a decade in prison and a lifetime of shame? That seems like an outrageous abuse of justice. Second degree murderers get off easier.
I have a confession to make. I am a pedophile and sex offender. At the age of 17 years and one month I had sexual contact with my girlfriend of age 16 years and 8 months. For a reduced sentence I will give information on three of my conspirators who had contact with people 4 to 15 months younger than them.
:inquisitive:
This is stupidity at it's highest level.
Consent is 16 here.
Money on Europe becoming the new cool destination for 16-18 year old, rich American couples? I think it's 15 in the Czech Republic...
Soulforged
12-22-2006, 00:25
Washington County Public Schools spokeswoman Carol Mowen said the definition of sexual harassment used by the school system is, "unwelcome sexual advances, request for sexual favors and/or other inappropriate verbal, written or physical conduct of a sexual nature directed toward others."
Mowen said that definition comes from the Maryland State Department of Education.
--First of all if they're going to put him on a list of sex offenders how can this be transitory, if you commited a sexual offense you commited a sexual offense, period.
---Second that definition of sexual harassment above is way too vague, wich makes it too ample. Many of those activities are common between boys and girls, more in the school, I wonder if this people had a childhood or adolescence at all.
----Third I believe that this line of thinking comes more from the idea of "once a rapist, always a rapist" than from a feminist point of view. I mean if you're a rapist your whole life then better err on the side of safety and label you from the first possible manifestation of criminal sexual behavior.
A slap on the wrist a sexual assault huh, you like taking matters into your own hands dontcha ~;)
Depends on the matters.:eyebrows:
Big King Sanctaphrax
12-22-2006, 04:20
In an offhand way, this reminds me of the recent case of a 17-year-old who will now be a registered sex offender for the rest of his life (in addition to spending 10 years in prison) for receiving oral stimulation from a 15-year-old girl. I wouldn't argue that what the boy did was correct in any sense, but a decade in prison and a lifetime of shame? That seems like an outrageous abuse of justice. Second degree murderers get off easier.
That is absolutely awful. How can anybody involved in the prosecution of that trial sleep at night?
KukriKhan
12-22-2006, 05:03
DonC wrote: "You know, perhaps the radical feminists are right..."
Virgin birth requires no male input (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16298548/)
It's just a matter of time.
Theres need to be some minimum requirements put on their sexual harasment legislations ie: the offender needs to be capable of having an erection. But no doubt the sexually explicit language legislation would mean it would have to be worded differently.
Its a very confused world - even more confusing trying to teach boys what a man is these days
once you legislate stuff - then people will see that as an excuse to apply the letter of the law - no judgement or discression required - no brain required either in most cases
I agree - sex offenders are freaks to be castrated
but in the fight to incise them from society - we've lost any respect for the beauty of the naked human body and the freedom of experimenting with our bodies when they become sexually mature
the whole world just seems so bloody uptight at the moment
Its a very confused world - even more confusing trying to teach boys what a man is these days
I disagree and don't see how this relates to the discussion at hand.
Banquo's Ghost
12-22-2006, 10:00
Like most of you, I find this disturbing.
I wonder if we are raising children now who will be frightened or suspicious of all human contact? Who believe that any sort of physical affection will be seen as dangerous or suspect?
My brother works as a house master in a school for what we used to call delinquent children. He's a huge bear of a man but wonderfully gentle. The kids he works with have come from awful, awful backgrounds and have become brutalised - and are really brutal back.
When these boys arrive, they are seriously rebellious, but they take one look at him and calm down. Of course they soon push their luck, but he handles it usually with skill and calm. They grow to trust him, often as their first reliable male role model.
Rough and tumble is a big part of getting the aggression out of these kids in a controlled way - lots of rugger and suchlike. But the most telling moment of many of these kids' lives was when needed, they would get a big, warm-hearted hug.
Note the past tense. The lawyers and the parents (the parents who had been so foul that they had their kids taken away) started on the litigation bandwagon elsewhere, so the government service brought in really restrictive guidelines. Now when a kid feels sad or lonely or desperate or just plain needs a hug they can go whistle. If they want to channel aggression, they can go play tiddlywinks. If they want to have a pop, their support worker can't restrain them, they have to find a way out and hide while the kid busts up the place and gets away with it.
We fail kids by this over-protective stupidity. Hardly anyone nowadays wants to be involved in youth groups in case they end up charged with abuse. The damage we are doing to future generations is a far worse abuse.
doc_bean
12-22-2006, 10:30
Western (anglosaxic and northern European anyway) civilization tends to frown upon human contact. This can probably be very damaging for people (kids) that need human contact.
I had a pre-travel meeting yesterday where we were told explicitly that the people in our country of destination where a lot more physical, and that if we were hugged or touched we shouldn't see that as an 'invitation'.
We need some common sense here. Sometimes a hug is just a hug.
What kind of people make these allegations? Surely they must be people who have never had children, don't know anything about children and simply can't show affection in any other way than a letter. Stupid morons.
Kralizec
12-22-2006, 14:16
Hey BG, congrats with your new position as moderator! (and accompanying paycheck) ~:cheers:
In wich forum should I look out for you? :hide:
As for the topic: nuts. Sexual harassment is one of those crimes that can't be committed without the intention of doing so. I think that in this case we can assume, like the father argues, that the kid has no idea that what he did was considered inappropriate touching.
yesdachi
12-22-2006, 16:01
Nice new threads BG! :yes:
Marshal Murat
12-22-2006, 16:33
But wouldn't spanking be a form of sexual harassment?
yesdachi
12-22-2006, 16:39
But wouldn't spanking be a form of sexual harassment?
I don’t think public schools do that anymore.
I remember getting my butt whooped with a ping pong paddle when I was in grade school though. It wasent very “sexual” though, perhaps if I had a hotter teacher?!?!
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
12-22-2006, 16:52
lol utterly patheic
Cowhead418
12-22-2006, 17:11
Holy crap, some people just amaze me with their stupidity these days. What's next: fifteen years in jail for shaking hands? Cause you know, that could be unwanted sexual contact! I can't get my head around this one. How do you punish a five-year old so severely for such a trivial action and then live with yourself? These people should be thrown in jail. What pathetic excuses for human beings. I'm ashamed of my country right now. :no:
Byzantine Prince
12-22-2006, 18:14
Because of the overexposure to lifestyles that are all about being affectionate in a sexual manner, any type of closeness of people that is not sexual is considered weird, or highly uncommon, therefore it can't be.
Samurai Waki
12-22-2006, 18:53
The biggest problem with the west I see here is that the openness of sex is really a problem. No, children exposed to the sensationalized media is not the problem. Its the adults, we tend to be so open about or sex lives, and because we watch or read things about sex everyday, we become kind of skittish around it. Yes, sex is good and all, but just because we know every facet of what a sexual encounter involves doesn't mean that Children do. If we want to curb the attitude we need to stop sensationalizing sex, its something humans do, it doesn't necessarily mean that I want to know what people are doing behind a closed door. It should be a non-subject.
yesdachi
12-22-2006, 19:25
it doesn't necessarily mean that I want to know what people are doing behind a closed door.
Your not just a little curious? :curtain:
I agree that this is ridiculous and that the kid probably didn't mean anything sexual by it, but this is the type of thing that requires discression. Some young kids see stuff on tv, and go sodomising little kids with household objects (and they can't have an erection yet). Kids like that (if they know what they are doing or not) should be put to death because to many harmfull thoughts are in their head, and they just did someone great physical and emotional trauma that they may not recover from. But yes, I agree, that is ridiculous.
By doing what they're doing, they are trivializing the meaning of being on the SO list.
I also disagree that it is not related to feminism. It is just more politically correct BS.
As for the Dragon article, it is also bs, as female Komodo Dragons have possesed this capibility since God created them. (let's keep it at that).
Byzantine Prince
12-22-2006, 20:13
If we want to curb the attitude we need to stop sensationalizing sex, its something humans do, it doesn't necessarily mean that I want to know what people are doing behind a closed door. It should be a non-subject.
Exactly, it's like talking about the details of your "number two", just unnecessary. I'm really against this teaching kids about sex earlier thing too. If you teach them, they'll do it, foo's.
and they can't have an erection yet
Kids can have erections
Exactly, it's like talking about the details of your "number two", just unnecessary. I'm really against this teaching kids about sex earlier thing too. If you teach them, they'll do it, foo's.
Kids can have erections
Depends. Some kids can when they are five (yes, that is right), others can't when they are sixteen.
yesdachi
12-22-2006, 20:32
Unless there is some medical issue I am pretty sure boys can have an erection even prior to birth.
Samurai Waki
12-23-2006, 23:38
I remember finding my Dad's nudie magazine collection when I was about three, I didn't understand it, but I still thought it was kind of hot.
Now that I think about it, why do 1970s boobs look so funny?
Unless there is some medical issue I am pretty sure boys can have an erection even prior to birth.
Yes, but due to missing chemicals in their brain, they can't experience real arousal until puberty. They can feel sensual, but they don't have the capacity to feel sexy. Important distinction.
Byzantine Prince
12-27-2006, 23:16
I'm pretty sure that's not right lemur, kids can masturbate before puberty.
Hi BP, I'm perfectly open to being wrong, and it's not as though I've done deep reading on the subject. If you've got any links to any info, I'd be happy to read up and grow less ignorant.
AntiochusIII
12-28-2006, 00:19
That boy is a victim with a hard life waiting for him if he's branded sexual offender for his whole life. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually would grow up to commit crimes because of the serious limitations and social stigma placed by that terrible label. It's just not something you throw around at every person with "inappropriate" contact at anytime. The paranoid society will treat him as an outsider, a criminal-to-be, schools and colleges will be wary of him, his friends distrust him, jobs will be harder to find for him, services might be denied to him, and all that because of a label placed on him at five years old.
I blame society. :thumbsdown:
Wonder if the father will be able to sue the very **** out of the school with a good attorney's help.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
12-28-2006, 01:40
Depends. Some kids can when they are five (yes, that is right), others can't when they are sixteen.
I was having erections when I was 7 or 8 years old....:dizzy2:
Byzantine Prince
12-28-2006, 04:40
I may have been 4 when I had one. :laugh4:
Maybe even earlier.
Strike For The South
12-28-2006, 06:56
Wether he thought it was sexual or not (I doubt it). This 5 year old needs to be tuaght not be put on the sex offenders list. Retards
Shaka_Khan
12-28-2006, 13:39
Yet nobody can find a way to help the 5-year old out of this mess. What a scary world. :thumbsdown:
Shaka_Khan
12-28-2006, 13:46
A world inhabited by idiots who like to sue everybody for anything and are guaranteed to win or at least get an important financial compensation. Thank God I studied law ! YEEHAA !!! Let the euro's/dollars come to daddy TheCunning ~:pimp: This kind of idiocy is to be encouraged :rtwyes:
:laugh4: But this can happen to your kids.
The five year-old was too innocent. Thus, he got in to trouble, and that can happen to any kid in his age. If the boy knew about sex, then he would've been more careful. It's very ironic. Anyway, if I raise a kid, I'll tell the kid not to touch anyone.
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