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Blasphemy. You and you're sponges always. What doesn't tatsle like a sponge to you? First Duvel, now Gulden Draak.
You can't handle the truth. WAY too many bubbles.
You can't handle the truth. WAY too many bubbles.
You just can't handle the superiority of Belgian beer over Dutch well eh...yellow water.
You just can't handle the superiority of Belgian beer over Dutch well eh...yellow water.
Claiming dutch beer is better then belgium beer would make me look rather silly. Pils is great though, tie.
Claiming dutch beer is better then belgium beer would make me look rather silly. Pils is great though, tie.
Dutch Pils, good? yeah right. Belgian ones are better, though of course no other pils can match a Czech one.
Dutch Pils, good? yeah right. Belgian ones are better
mwah. I like Jupiler from time to time, Hertog Jan and Brand are better though (imho). Tie.
Czech for the win indeed.
Reverend Joe
04-27-2009, 00:11
I am redeemed, for I love Budweiser.
GOD ALMIGHTY, I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!
Sasaki Kojiro
04-27-2009, 06:51
I am redeemed, for I love Budweiser.
GOD ALMIGHTY, I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!
I know, reading through this thread just makes me sorry for europeans. At least they have scotch to be proud of.
seireikhaan
04-27-2009, 21:59
Joe, Sasaki- You guys gotta be kidding, right? I mean, sure, Bud's an improvement on Miller or Coors, but it ain't nothin' special, that's to be sure. Bud will be the pinnacle of beer the day that hell freezes over.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-27-2009, 22:26
Joe, Sasaki- You guys gotta be kidding, right? I mean, sure, Bud's an improvement on Miller or Coors, but it ain't nothin' special, that's to be sure. Bud will be the pinnacle of beer the day that hell freezes over.
Budweiser IS the pinnacle of beer. Why do you think it's so popular? #1 beer in the world for reason. Gold medal winner how many times?
If you drink a whole bunch of barrel aged double chocolate coffee oatmeal stout I'm sure you'd think bud didn't taste like much. What you like depends on what you've tasted and acquired a taste for and on genetic variation etc. For example, I hate nuts because I don't like the texture (I like peanut butter fine though). I like dill pickles but not bread and butter. Other people are the opposite. If you don't eat sweets for a couple months candy bars taste sickening. My brother eats horrible raw vegan food and finds strawberries too sweet to eat, etc.
I like budweiser...snobby people love to talk about how much they hate budweiser (you could define snobbiness as making your taste in something part of your identity)...I love to diss snobby people...match made in heaven.
Reverend Joe
04-27-2009, 22:40
If you don't eat sweets for a couple months candy bars taste sickening.
I know what you mean... I never eat candy bars except to cover the taste of magic mushrooms (which is about twice a year.) Otherwise they're way too sweet and choclatey. Give me a cheeseburger any day instead.
I like budweiser...snobby people love to talk about how much they hate budweiser (you could define snobbiness as making your taste in something part of your identity)...I love to diss snobby people...match made in heaven.
Thank you. :2thumbsup:
Budweiser IS the pinnacle of beer. Why do you think it's so popular? #1 beer in the world for reason. Gold medal winner how many times?
That would be Heineken (for some reason) :inquisitive:
If you drink a whole bunch of barrel aged double chocolate coffee oatmeal stout I'm sure you'd think bud didn't taste like much. What you like depends on what you've tasted and acquired a taste for and on genetic variation etc. For example, I hate nuts because I don't like the texture (I like peanut butter fine though). I like dill pickles but not bread and butter. Other people are the opposite. If you don't eat sweets for a couple months candy bars taste sickening. My brother eats horrible raw vegan food and finds strawberries too sweet to eat, etc.
I like budweiser...snobby people love to talk about how much they hate budweiser (you could define snobbiness as making your taste in something part of your identity)...I love to diss snobby people...match made in heaven.
Monsieur, having good taste is not the same as being snobby :snobby:
Did you at least ever try a Belgian beer a couple of times or are you too attached to your dishwater Budweiser (or should I say "too snobby"? ~;p) to try something different?
Reverend Joe
04-29-2009, 17:48
Monsieur, having good taste is not the same as being snobby :snobby:
Did you at least ever try a Belgian beer a couple of times or are you too attached to your dishwater Budweiser (or should I say "too snobby"? ~;p) to try something different?
I dunno about Sasaki, but I have had Belgian beer MANY times. In fact, it used to be all I bought, Leffe being my favorite. I still agree with him that Budweiser is the best.
dear sir, I feel offended!
Pannonian
05-02-2009, 21:30
If you drink a whole bunch of barrel aged double chocolate coffee oatmeal stout I'm sure you'd think bud didn't taste like much. What you like depends on what you've tasted and acquired a taste for and on genetic variation etc. For example, I hate nuts because I don't like the texture (I like peanut butter fine though). I like dill pickles but not bread and butter. Other people are the opposite. If you don't eat sweets for a couple months candy bars taste sickening. My brother eats horrible raw vegan food and finds strawberries too sweet to eat, etc.
I like budweiser...snobby people love to talk about how much they hate budweiser (you could define snobbiness as making your taste in something part of your identity)...I love to diss snobby people...match made in heaven.
I actually started off with beers like Budweiser, so it's not just a case of liking what I'm used to. However, being curious, I tried some other (English) beers that I found, that I hadn't heard of, and was pleasantly surprised by the different and IMHO more interesting taste. I eventually developed a preference for English ales over other beers, excepting some Czech beers I've found. Nowadays, whenever I go in a pub and see some unknown beers, I always ask for a sip, to try the different tastes, before buying at least a couple of pints of the pick. The bartenders don't mind, and are often quite enthusiastic about discussing the merits of their favourite beers.
And before you accuse me of snobbery, among those unusual beers I've tried, some were truly awful experiments, while some very well known ales are among my faves.
excepting some Czech beers I've found
My man. We should enslave these slavs and have them make beer 24/7, mana of the gods.
Sasaki Kojiro
05-03-2009, 04:06
I actually started off with beers like Budweiser, so it's not just a case of liking what I'm used to. However, being curious, I tried some other (English) beers that I found, that I hadn't heard of, and was pleasantly surprised by the different and IMHO more interesting taste. I eventually developed a preference for English ales over other beers, excepting some Czech beers I've found. Nowadays, whenever I go in a pub and see some unknown beers, I always ask for a sip, to try the different tastes, before buying at least a couple of pints of the pick. The bartenders don't mind, and are often quite enthusiastic about discussing the merits of their favourite beers.
And before you accuse me of snobbery, among those unusual beers I've tried, some were truly awful experiments, while some very well known ales are among my faves.
Nah, you just like beer. I'm fairly certain I'd lose the taste for bud if I spent time on other beers. But I go for whiskey more often.
Did you at least ever try a Belgian beer a couple of times
Heineken is belgian right? It's ok, not great though.
Just playing with ya. I thought blue moon was belgian, but I looked it up and it seems it's owned by Coors. Lol.
What you guys drink ain't the real Heineken, it's watered down for export, real Heineken is a good beer, not the best, but good (with blind tasting the flemish actually liked Heineken best to their horror)
Heineken is belgian right? It's ok, not great though.
Just playing with ya. I thought blue moon was belgian, but I looked it up and it seems it's owned by Coors. Lol.
Aha, so the answer is "no". Well, I know you generally prefer other alcoholic drinks over beer, but beer is something you need to learn to appreciate.
I myself, had to learn to appreciate whiskey. When I first tried it at my parents' (I believe it was an Irish one, Jameson), I really didn't like it. But now, I love it, especially during winter.
If you ever have the opportunity to buy Leffe, Westmalle, Duvel or whatever Belgian beer mentioned in this thread, buy a couple of them and drink it at ease, no more than one or two, eat some cheese with it.
What you guys drink ain't the real Heineken, it's watered down for export, real Heineken is a good beer, not the best, but good (with blind tasting the flemish actually liked Heineken best to their horror)
Lies! Manipulation! Bribery! Heineken conspiracy!
edit, sup page 10
@Andres
TRUTH
Heineken is ok, not the best not the worst, a fine drink.
Vladimir
06-11-2009, 00:05
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It has arrived. I found a place close to work that sells this stuff on draft and in the bottle but now I finally have a case of my own. I've never paid $100 for beer before. I used to drink $50 at the bar (Tennessee prices), and $100 for scotch, but never for beer.
Fragony, I love ya, but I also love this beer. Please don't make me choose....
Reverend Joe
06-11-2009, 05:19
If you go broke before you get drunk, you are a fool. Maybe it's just my southron blood, but honestly, cheap beer tastes better by the simple fact that it's cheaper.
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It has arrived. I found a place close to work that sells this stuff on draft and in the bottle but now I finally have a case of my own. I've never paid $100 for beer before. I used to drink $50 at the bar (Tennessee prices), and $100 for scotch, but never for beer.
Fragony, I love ya, but I also love this beer. Please don't make me choose....
You paid $100 for Gulden Draak!? That's just mad. While I'd agree it's more than decent beer, I've yet to find a beer that is worth $100. I think a large bottle of Gulden draak costs a mere 3-4€'s or something over here.
Vladimir
06-11-2009, 16:47
You paid $100 for Gulden Draak!? That's just mad. While I'd agree it's more than decent beer, I've yet to find a beer that is worth $100. I think a large bottle of Gulden draak costs a mere 3-4€'s or something over here.
A case people, a case. That's less than 4 and a quarter per.
A case people, a case. That's less than 4 and a quarter per.
While that's still alot for small bottles, it isn't insanely high priced anymore.
Vladimir
06-11-2009, 17:18
It will still set you back a pretty penny. For example at http://www.rusticorestaurant.com/bar.htm you can get it on tap for about twice as much of you can buy a bottle from the late 90's for $27. I'm not sure how well it ages in a bottle but the standard stuff is pretty good.
If I could find a job in Belgium that pays just a little better than my current one I'd take it. And it's not just for the beer.
It will still set you back a pretty penny. For example at http://www.rusticorestaurant.com/bar.htm you can get it on tap for about twice as much of you can buy a bottle from the late 90's for $27. I'm not sure how well it ages in a bottle but the standard stuff is pretty good.
If I could find a job in Belgium that pays just a little better than my current one I'd take it. And it's not just for the beer.
Well if you ever come by Belgium let me know and we'll go beer tasting together!
A lot of nice tips on this thread.
I love the Leffe and the Duvel, they are rich special occasion beers for me. The Leffe is a bit fruity to be sinking regularly. Is there really cardamon in it?
If you made me choose one beer, I'll take the Guinness on tap in Dublin (in particular the tap down the brewery) over anything anywhere. I am a stout fella with Irish heritage, after all.
I wish our Aussie beers kicked English arse like we do at everything else but sadly we have been corporatised and while there are some decent micros and a few good big brand beers (esp the clean Tasmanian beers) there are a host of fantastic English beers better than ours. Our stuff has to be drunk cold, or there's a problem. The poms can be done cold up to cellar temperature with no effect on the enjoyment.
I love the handful of German beers I have had too (that 16th century purity law is a wonderful thing), and to be frank there's nice products from all over. I recall fondly a brown scots beer that tasted like burnt wholemeal toast, but in a good way (yes I am a Laphroaig man too).
Best thing I had recently was a James Squire (Aussie micro) Golden Ale, nice and rich. I'm not drinking like I used too, but i like to spend the same amount so its smaller amounts of more expensive stuff. Still gets me shitfaced so I pass out on NYE, just the puke smells classier :sweatdrop:.
Vladimir
06-26-2009, 18:26
What's cardamon?
Cardamom (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=LYF&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&ei=fgRFSvSJN5GQNqTQqJcB&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=cardamom&spell=1).
I don't know. It's possible as I detect a taste similar to cloves without the numbing effect. That's one reason why I love it so much. Fruity? :no:
... Fruity? :no:
Yeah I'd say fruity. Definitely a spiced taste and a sweetness I'm not expecting from a beer.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, in fact its delicious, I just find German beer more...beerish.
Leffe tastes a bit Early Modern Europe/fat bloke in a Brueghel painting/chestnuts and butter in heated ale/FATW to me. Nice for a special occasion, but I wouldn't drink it every day.
Vladimir
06-29-2009, 16:12
Yeah I'd say fruity. Definitely a spiced taste and a sweetness I'm not expecting from a beer.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, in fact its delicious, I just find German beer more...beerish.
Leffe tastes a bit Early Modern Europe/fat bloke in a Brueghel painting/chestnuts and butter in heated ale/FATW to me. Nice for a special occasion, but I wouldn't drink it every day.
I'm not faulting you either. Since it's an ale, not a beer, it is sweet instead of bitter. Germans turned ale into beer by adding hops. The hops add a bitter taste and act as a preservative. I can't stand bitter drinks; personal choice.
Not sure if this is the right place, but I had a negative beer experience recently. I love New Belgium beers, not least their standard "Fat Tire". Bought a mix pack recently, which had among either styles their Organic Wheat Beer. I like some wheat beers so I tried it with an open mind. Even took all three in the variety pack I split with my father because he hates wheat beers.
It's the worst beer I've had in recent memory, which may no mean much since I tend to buy brands I like over trying new things. Maybe it's that I don't add lime (reccommended, but I can never put fruit in beer). Whatever the reason I strongly dislike this beer, which is too bad as I have no problems with the idea of an organic beer... It manages to both be unpleasant in taste and in another sense tasteless. For the price I could buy twice as much Budweiser, which would be just as bad but cheaper...
I'm not faulting you either. Since it's an ale, not a beer, it is sweet instead of bitter. Germans turned ale into beer by adding hops. The hops add a bitter taste and act as a preservative. I can't stand bitter drinks; personal choice.
The tripple is rather sweetish, not really my thing, the dubbel is fantastic though.
Vladimir
07-08-2009, 15:34
Not sure if this is the right place, but I had a negative beer experience recently. I love New Belgium beers, not least their standard "Fat Tire". Bought a mix pack recently, which had among either styles their Organic Wheat Beer. I like some wheat beers so I tried it with an open mind. Even took all three in the variety pack I split with my father because he hates wheat beers.
It's the worst beer I've had in recent memory, which may no mean much since I tend to buy brands I like over trying new things. Maybe it's that I don't add lime (reccommended, but I can never put fruit in beer). Whatever the reason I strongly dislike this beer, which is too bad as I have no problems with the idea of an organic beer... It manages to both be unpleasant in taste and in another sense tasteless. For the price I could buy twice as much Budweiser, which would be just as bad but cheaper...
Bad beer stories are welcome. I’ve thought of trying that brand but now I’m glad I didn’t.
Stick to the Kwak, Leffe and Chimay perhaps?
:bow:
Vladimir
07-08-2009, 18:22
Stick to the Kwak, Leffe and Chimay perhaps?
:bow:
But then I would have never discovered my 10.5% Gulden Draak. :laugh4:
But then I would have never discovered my 10.5% Gulden Draak. :laugh4:
Percent volume != quality. Not suggesting for one moment that you thought it was, but I thought it worth pointing out.
They have some awful stuff over here that is about 9 or 10 percent and it's cheap and nasty.
Uesugi Kenshin
07-09-2009, 02:50
Percent volume != quality. Not suggesting for one moment that you thought it was, but I thought it worth pointing out.
They have some awful stuff over here that is about 9 or 10 percent and it's cheap and nasty.
Are you from the states? Becuase "malt liquor" made either for or in the states does not count as beer. Oh and everyone should try homebrewing. My dad have been at it since December and we've managed to turn out an American Brown that was okay for a brief couple of weeks and then turned nasty sweet (our first batch), a Belgian Strong which exploded but is decent, a passable Hefeweizen, a fairly good Saison, and most recently an excellent Dubbel that I personally find acceptable as a Chimay or Allagash substitute, and it costs only $35 bucks per five gallons!
Are you from the states?
No.
Becuase "malt liquor" made either for or in the states does not count as beer. Oh and everyone should try homebrewing. My dad have been at it since December and we've managed to turn out an American Brown that was okay for a brief couple of weeks and then turned nasty sweet (our first batch), a Belgian Strong which exploded but is decent, a passable Hefeweizen, a fairly good Saison, and most recently an excellent Dubbel that I personally find acceptable as a Chimay or Allagash substitute, and it costs only $35 bucks per five gallons!
My father used to make some pretty good wine and beer when I was a lad. In fact I recall my uncle falling into a stream after a beer or several. It was pretty potent stuff. I also remember the exploding bottles and huge mess etc. :2thumbsup:
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