Dealing with Inquisitors

[Blademun]

I really need help with this. In my latest campaign as Portugal, I am being screwed over by the Inqusitors. I really don't understand why they are going after me. I have done everything the pope asks of me; crusades, building churchs, killing heretics. I tribute him regularly with land and money, my rep is always perfect with him. Yet still he has insisted in killing off half of my family.

The worst part of this is my family isn't that big, and my armys are. I am always hurting for generals, and then the Inquisitors kill off the few I have. When my king died a few turns ago, his successor turns out to have no authority at all. Guess what happened to all my armys that had their generals Inquisitioned? Yep..they rebelled.

This is screwed up; I have the power to conquer all of europe twice over, but I'm being done in by a handfull of inqusitors and a weak king(they killed my good heir). I'm about hairs length away from throwing my papal relations out the window and march my armies into rome and repeatedly kill the pope. :furious3:

This doesn't seem historical at all. I don't remember Inquisitors having the power to march into a soverign country and kill all of its royal family. Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be any effective way to raise my familys piety. The whole Inquisition system in this game seems broken. Isn't there anything (aside from running away) that can be done? :wall:

*NOTE*: I am running vers 1.1.

[Warluster]

Well that happened in my English campaign and I ended up ignoring the pope. no one minded,other then the pope of course. And then he sent his Inquisters and same thing happened. I had about 40 family members and about 20 were killed off. So simple, this is what ya do. Train Assasain's and murder them. Worked perfect. Plus Status with the Pope went up. But if they discovered the Assasain, then it is war with the pope and his allies.

[Lord_Tamerial]

Well since that your Portugal and your obviously near water, put your General(s) in a fleet for a couple of turns.(Or until your attacked or, of in wanting of use of him) Inquisitors can't put him into trial because he is in a ship. On the other note , as Warluster said, train assassin's. When I play as Portugal, I had the best Assassin's(IMO). I had Assassin's Guilds all over the place. Being Portugal, Spain and the Moore's are very close to you. Easy assassination targets on your doorstep. I hope this helps.

[nameless]

I've never had issues with Inquistors but if it's that bad...

Use either the assassin move or the "move_character" cheat. Send those idiots off to some remote island.

[Ignoramus]

Those poor Rhodians...

[Pahoo]

I've had an Inquisitor burn a general of mine while on board a ship... it was close to the shore though.

[Blademun]

I am pretty late im my campaign, turn 95, I have all of Iberia, France, and most of North Africa. I had one maxed out assasin and a couple half-done. The Inqusitors were all within 1-2 stars of being maxed, and one was maxed. My assasin could barely touch him. It ususally took around 3-4 turns a inqusitor to rid them. I did eventually kill them all, but not before they did their damage.

I think I'd actually like to mod Inquisitors out of the game, permanently. ANy idea how to do that?

[gingergenius]

I really need help with this. In my latest campaign as Portugal, I am being screwed over by the Inqusitors. I really don't understand why they are going after me. I have done everything the pope asks of me; crusades, building churchs, killing heretics. I tribute him regularly with land and money, my rep is always perfect with him. Yet still he has insisted in killing off half of my family.

The worst part of this is my family isn't that big, and my armys are. I am always hurting for generals, and then the Inquisitors kill off the few I have. When my king died a few turns ago, his successor turns out to have no authority at all. Guess what happened to all my armys that had their generals Inquisitioned? Yep..they rebelled.

This is screwed up; I have the power to conquer all of europe twice over, but I'm being done in by a handfull of inqusitors and a weak king(they killed my good heir). I'm about hairs length away from throwing my papal relations out the window and march my armies into rome and repeatedly kill the pope. :furious3:

This doesn't seem historical at all. I don't remember Inquisitors having the power to march into a soverign country and kill all of its royal family. Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be any effective way to raise my familys piety. The whole Inquisition system in this game seems broken. Isn't there anything (aside from running away) that can be done? :wall:

*NOTE*: I am running vers 1.1.

i feel your pain, brother.

after killing off the othre catholic factions, there was a succession of english popes who I had perfect relations with. Yet 7* general after 7* general kept being inquisited - they seemed to leave the rubbish generals alone. THe last straw was when they denounced one who was a born conqueror, and I had been training him up since age 16 - he had 8* by 35 and perfect retinue and traits, great loyalty, quite a high dread and low chivalry. I got angry and invaded Rome, exterminationg its population. The papacy still lives on in the background, yet the inquisitors calm down a bit, mainly focussing on merchants. Apart from killing all but my 10* general in Baghdad where my Timurid defences were - the 2nd time they came my successful armies from the first time had lost their generals and therefore rebelled.

[sapi]

Inquisitors don't bother me that much, but there is no way that they should be able to kill your units when you're excommunicated :(

[Rilder]

Yea they should have 2 rules for inquisitors: 1 if your Max or near max with the pope they shouldn't be able to attack you, and 2 if you are 0 with the pope they shouldnt be able to attack you, this would make them better for keeping the bad little catholic schoolboys in touch but the uber bad or uber awesome are protected

[General Zhukov]

I generally find that heretic micromanagement is more of a pain than inquisitors. I had a piety 10 inquis. run around Spain for 40 years and he never touched my piety 3 heir in Zaragossa... Seems pretty random.

I recall that in the recent movie The Fountain, this bloodthirsty inquisitor is tried to kill Queen Isabella of Spain. Not that that means anything, but if it makes you feel better...

[TevashSzat]

if worst comes to worst and an inquisitor tried to burn your 10 star general, hunt him down and kill him by surrounding him with troops and then move a unit on top of him, instant death. Think of it as that you are arresting him for murder.

[Quillan]

From my experience, there are two possibilities with inquisitors: 1) the inquisitors have been dispatched into your lands, and 2) the inquisitors are in other factions (possibly former) lands and you just inherited their presence. The first generally only happens when you are both not on the good side of the Pope and have a high amount of heresy. If you keep heresy under control and keep your relationship with the Pope up near the top, inquisitors will never head into your lands looking for you specifically. It's the second case that causes problems.

A lot of times, the inquisitors went there because the AI faction let heresy spiral out of control, or else got on the Pope's bad side. Occasionally the inquisitors will pass through your lands on the way to someplace else. The trouble is that the inquisitors ARE random. If there are targets within range, it seems they just check randomly for each to decide if they are going to try that target for heresy. It doesn't seem to matter what faction the target belongs to, its piety, standing with the Pope or anything else. I had some problems like this early in my Venice game. The pope was sending out inquisitors after the HRE and the French, but they burned a few priests and a couple of generals of mine on the way through.

The best suggestion I can make is to combine all the tactics: stay on the good side of the pope, keep your valuable generals away from where the inquisitors are located, squish them with armies, and put down heresy in your own lands. I'll add one of my own: keep priests around where the inquisitors are. They seem to burn priests before generals, as long as the priest is closer.

[Lorenzo_H]

Inquisitors are so annoying. In my Spanish Campaign they have burnt about 4 of my generals so far.

[Swordfish]

My first post here. I was lurking for about a week, but I finally got the game so I decided to register. This compelled me to make my first post for the following joke...


I generally find that heretic micromanagement is more of a pain than inquisitors. I had a piety 10 inquis. run around Spain for 40 years and he never touched my piety 3 heir in Zaragossa... Seems pretty random.


They're doing their job well then.

Nobody suspects the Spanish Inquisition! (I'm surprised this thread got this far without someone making that joke.)

[Lorenzo_H]

I had a piety 0 general who was found innocent. Every other General inspected has been burnt though.

[Fridericus Rex]

I usually go on a Crusade very early in the game (within 20 turns) and take (by ship) as many generals as possible leaving only one behind.

All generals come back with high loyalty and piety - no inquisitions are possible as long as the live!

[Blademun]

Quillan: I believe I experienced the latter of the two situations you mentioned. All of my lands were around 99% catholic, however, the French whom I conquered(not hard) had always been at odds with the pope. The trio of super inquisitors lingered around for a long time, going after my generals who were protecting the front lines along Bern/Bruges.

I believe they were trully after my 9 Dread king. He was the best king I ever had so naturally they'd want to kill him. I'd move my army up and some enemy armys would just turn around and walk off the field. It was hilarious. Sadly he died of old age(and much carting around to avoid the inquisitors).

From now on, one of the first moves I'm going to make is take Rhodes, then Rome, and then sue for peace by giving the Pope Rhodes. Then all the retarded little Inqusitors he pumps out like the queen alien will be stuck on that little island for the whole game.

Really though, I'd like to permanently mod the Inquisition out of the game...anyone know how?

[BlackAxe3001]

From now on, one of the first moves I'm going to make is take Rhodes, then Rome, and then sue for peace by giving the Pope Rhodes. Then all the retarded little Inqusitors he pumps out like the queen alien will be stuck on that little island for the whole game.

Thats a great idea! I am going to try that here shortly.

[xaldub]

Would be keen to know if you succeed on the modding. I really don't think Inquisitors add anything purposeful to the game either, other than random mayhem. I'm still playing my first campaign ( as France ) and have fallen victim to Inquisitor strikes a few times. Within a 3 turn interval I lost my King and a 9 star general ( aged 34 ) to 2 inquisitors who were actually spawned in neighbouring HRE owned territories. HRE had been excommunicated and were spawning heretics left, right and centre. At the time my relations with the Pope were excellent at 8 points I think.

Oh and whilst I'm on a roll, within that 3 turn spell I also "lost" a 7 loyalty general to a 1 charm English princess ( Princess Bulldog ? ). Took the wind out of my planned assault on HRE provinces.

I love the concept of this game, but the game mechanics are in need of major refinement ( along with bug fixes to troop cohesion, animations etc ). RTW is by far a better game at the moment in my opinion. Pity, as I really do prefer the medieval setting. ~:mecry:

[gardibolt]

if worst comes to worst and an inquisitor tried to burn your 10 star general, hunt him down and kill him by surrounding him with troops and then move a unit on top of him, instant death. Think of it as that you are arresting him for murder.

I had 4 Inquisitors who killed the vast majority of my family members. I finally had to resort to this trick to kill two of them, and the other 2 decided to go attack Denmark instead for a while. Hasta la vista!

I doubt the Rhodes for Rome gambit will work....if Inquisitors can nail you while you're aboard ship, I can't believe a little thing like being on an island will slow them down. But report back!

[Quillan]

Yes and no, but I think you need to do it in reverse order. Take Rhodes, gift it to the pope. Take another island and hold onto it. Now take Rome. If the Papal States only has Rhodes as another territory, it'll relocate the capitol there. Then gift him another territory for peace. Yes, they can supposedly get you on boats, but only if you go close to them. They won't be wandering.

Of course, post patch, you have to worry about the Papal Monster (tm). The pope seems to be naval invasion-happy, along with every other faction. After installing the patch he got up off his laurels and went a-conquering in Africa, all on his own, in my last game. Nobody gave him any territory. He just loaded up an army on the ships and sailed down to Tunis to go after the Moors.

[Afro Thunder]

Actually, I prefer to send them on an expedition into the Sahara Desert. Hmm, I'm surprised there aren't any Monty Python-related easter eggs in the game itself....

[Quillan]

They probably used those up in Rome. I know I found the Judean People's Front there, and the aquaduct (what have the Romans ever done for us? This, that's what!).

[Thule]

The Pope is a rather boring little guy. I do what I like, and if a Pope dislikes it, I simply kill him. Have one maxed out assasin near Rome at all time, and kill the Pope whenever you don't like the way he deals with you :). Once I even killed a Pope from my own faction, because he was slowing me down :).

[Patricius]

If playing as the Papal States is a guide, inquisitors appear at random and move automatically if not used by the Papal States player. Even if the Papal States were placed in the Americas inquisitors will appear, as they are just generated at various points on the map, quite possibly connected with high levels of heresy. Piety should protect a general, but maximising church construction is not always affordable.

[Fisherking]

If playing as the Papal States is a guide, inquisitors appear at random and move automatically if not used by the Papal States player. Even if the Papal States were placed in the Americas inquisitors will appear, as they are just generated at various points on the map, quite possibly connected with high levels of heresy. Piety should protect a general, but maximising church construction is not always affordable.

Actually they disappear the same way. I don't know how or why but if you watch closely you will occasionally see them finish their work and evaporate…:dizzy2:

[Warluster]

When you play the Papal States, and you control a Inquisitor, he can get rid of ANYONE!

[rich19]

Funny thing happened the other day involving inquisitors - I had just discovered America, obliterated other navies and captured the carribean. Next turn, guess who popped up out of nowhere to kill one of the two family members in America? :furious3:

[NeutralZone940]

My first post here. I was lurking for about a week, but I finally got the game so I decided to register. This compelled me to make my first post for the following joke...



They're doing their job well then.

Nobody suspects the Spanish Inquisition! (I'm surprised this thread got this far without someone making that joke.)

Er, "expects"? ;)

[Warluster]

Well actually someone has already said that! Swordfish said that at post #15.

[Swordfish]

Well actually someone has already said that! Swordfish said that at post #15.

NeutralZone was quoting me to correct what I said; just didn't wrap quote tags around it. And I think he's right, it is "expects" not "suspects." My Monty Python collection doesn't include that bit yet, so I wasn't able to verify.

Though I'm still surprised the thread went as long as it did without someone making that joke.

Bit of a funny story though: Once when I was playing Medieval 1 )when you could make your own Inquisitors), I actually did have an Inquisitor from Spain in my territory (I was Denmark). That guy was tearing my armys apart too, just about every turn he was in my territory he had killed another general. I ignored him at first, figuring it would just blow over, but after he had pissed me off I went to see what country he was from, and nearly fell out of my seat when I saw it was Spain.

... Once I regained my composure, I promtly invaded them.

[Blademun]

Yeah, I think the Inquisitors are a random generated thing. :/

Oh well, I ended up just playing the moors. While I don't have to deal with Inqusitors, the wars are constant. Catholic Europe apparently didn't appreciate me taking Iberia/france.. :laugh4:

I'd really like to see the monty python show that has the spanish inquisition gag in it. I've only seen a couple clips.

[Aaron A Aardvark]

I've lost maybe two family members to inquisitors in about four hundred turns as a Catholic. I just don't seem to get very many. (VH, before you ask.)

And, no I don't know what I'm doing differently from everyone else. It's a mystery.

[Deneldar]

I don't know if we're allowed to post direct links here but if you go to Youtube and search for 'python inquisition' you'll find a full 9min version of the 3 sections combined.

Oh and on the original point. Knife >>>>> back.

[Bakalov]

Actually you can kill inquisitors with your military, as you can do with all "agent" types - split your army and put a unit in all of the squares near the inquisitor, its a bit tricky to do it without pushing him, and after that move another unit into his square. With no safe land to retreat he will die.
You can use another unit to push him to a location which is more convenient for surrounding, near water for example.

If you "run" into him, and you cant do the surrond trick and dont want to cheat/reload, you could split your general from the army, and may be split some more units to block inquisitor's path to general.

[Ciaran]

The worst thing is, I was trying (mark the term "trying") to train up some assassins to handle the Inquisitors (a pain in the back in itself, every time my assassin gains a rank due to a sucessfull mission he loses it immediately by failing the next one :furious3:. And there are no soft targets like the Assassins in RTW), what did the blasted wretch (maxed out, of course, so no-one can touch him) do? Burn my assassin, that´s what. Along with a whole bunch of random merchants (not one of mine, thanks God, those only fall prey to other merchants), generals, princesses and generally everything that moved around, even the odd priest, if I recall correctly.
How do I get up piety for my family members, so at least they have some chance against those pyromaniacs?

They would be a nice gimmick if one could decently get rid of them, but I can´t even send in my assassins on their meagre 5% chance (statistically, one out of twenty should suceed...) just to give it a try, since a killed assassin would kill my relations with the old man in Rome. Right now they´re a damn game killer for me.

[yezhanquan85]

Ok, here's my 2 cents worth.

1) When the guy with the strange hat appears, your general/agent RUNS. No excuses. If you walk up to him and he burns you, I think you're just asking for it.

2) The more guys these papal agents from hell burns, the more deadly they become. Their retinue of executioner + hunter of heretics trait line will make them living saints in no time.

3) As other fellows have mentioned, you can use the "surround with military units" method to kill him.

4) There's an incorrect component in the traits file which makes your generals spawn with 0 piety. All generals should start with 3 initially. Hope that buys you some protection.

[Moah]

Actually post official patch I've found these guys have vanished! In my first game as france the place was crawling with them. The official patch was supposed to tone them down.


This game, post patch, with the scots I can't actually remember seeing a single one! But I am allied with the pope and usually top ratings, but I haven't seen them anywhere else either. My advice is - get the offical CA patch!

[gardibolt]

Since getting the patch, I've seen 2 inquisitors spawn. One was on Corsica, which oddly enough was owned by the papal states. There's a heretic there, but the Inquisitor seems to show no interest in him; instead, he stands at the edge of the island longingly looking at my city across the water....

The other was in Gaza, a hotbed of hereticism, but he headed off towards Jerusalem and I've not seen him since.

[LordKhaine]

Inquisitors don't bother me that much, but there is no way that they should be able to kill your units when you're excommunicated :(

Seconded. Really annoying. And somewhat related but can't excommunicated factions still get cardinals? I'm sure I saw Hungary get a Pope elected despite them being excommunicated before the elections!

Though coming back to the problem at hand, I might add that the best way to avoid inquisitors is to avoid having high levels of heresy in your own lands. And for safety make sure your neighbours don't either! Otherwise inquisitors from their lands may end up wandering into your lands also.

[Moah]

Seconded. Really annoying. And somewhat related but can't excommunicated factions still get cardinals? I'm sure I saw Hungary get a Pope elected despite them being excommunicated before the elections!



Only your leader is excommunicated - and any who follow him go to hell. When Frederick 11 was excommunicated (three times, wihtout ever getting back in - now that takes talent!) he hired muslim mercs to fight for him as they didn't care. Which upset the pope even more. So he excommunicated him again...so Frederick..you get teh general idea.

You still rule your country but the people (who are good catholics) hate you (+20% unrest). Your Bishops still exist they just preach against you in church - urging the people to overthrow you etc... You can stil have cardinals who elect the pope, they just hate you. There were still priests in England after Henry v111 seceded. They preached against his heresy and the "traitors" in teh Anglican church.

[LordKhaine]

I just imagine the Monarch would be able to stop inquisitors openly going around his own lands killing his generals.

[heroic hungarian]

when the pope gets nasty rome must be destroyed and exterminated!!!!!!!!!!!:whip: :whip: :whip: