Hunting!

[Sjakihata]

Hi,

This thread is meant as a place where hunters can discuss things hunters go about doing. Also, I would be interested in morality on this subject.

In feburary I begin taking lessons to be allowed a hunting certificate, which enables me to own, transporting and using a legal hunting weapon. It is hard work and tough test (especially the theoretical part). I will need to learn about and identify several birds, animals etc. However, I really look forward to get my certificate. When I have it my father will give me a hunting rifle (that belonged to my granddad who was a vigorous hunter).

I plan on bringing my weapon on the trekking trips me and two friends make each year to Norway/Sweden.

I will most likely be shooting birds and a few smaller animals, although I have decided as a rule that I shall only shoot what can be eaten. That means no fox shooting or other trophy hunting.

Any one here is a hunter?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Swapping hunting tips, sharing stories, etc, is fine, but this will get moved to the backroom if people start discussing the rights and wrongs of hunting.

[Sjakihata]

Can you switch it to the backroom anyway? Doesnt seem like there're any hunters around, maybe they dwell in the dark corridors of the backroom?

[Vladimir]

Well there's an excellent thread on eating meat there. :laugh4: I'm not contributing because it's been so long since I've killed and eaten anything :shame: .

[Kekvit Irae]

I sometimes go squirrel hunting with a .22 rifle, or deer/rabbit hunting with a composite bow (compounds are for pussies).

[Sjakihata]

Bow hunting is my dream, really. With a loaded backpack, a couple of freinds and whisky for the evenings - and then of course a solid hunting bow with sharp arrows. Silence and nature, beautiful.

[Kekvit Irae]

My kill count at the moment is zero. It's funny, really. I dont go hunting to go hunting, I go hunting to get an excuse to get outdoors and into nature. Usually the only time I fire my weapons are at a target range or a bowhunters tournament.

[Hosakawa Tito]

My kill count at the moment is zero. It's funny, really. I dont go hunting to go hunting, I go hunting to get an excuse to get outdoors and into nature. Usually the only time I fire my weapons are at a target range or a bowhunters tournament.

I haven't hunted in a couple of years now, for personal reasons. However, I do take a camera along, sometimes a video camera to record my experiences. Sitting quietly in the woods and observing the forest creatures go about their business calms my mind and is a good tonic for the soul. Taking a video of a gaggle of young tom turkeys fighting for the attention of a rubber hen turkey decoy I placed in the woods still makes me smile when I think of it.

Sjakihata, if you do shoot a game animal, be prepared for the emotions that may arise. Sometimes they might not be dead when you come upon them, then one must finish the job quickly to lessen any suffering. That can be hard to do with just a bow. Field dressing game is not the most pleasant thing either. Hunting with an experienced hunter is recommended.

[Duke Malcolm]

While my mother has said she shall, for my 18th birthday, give me a deer stalking trip, it is increasingly likely that she shall instead fund a laptop for use at University... I am quite disappointed now...

[Moros]

Swapping hunting tips, sharing stories, etc, is fine, but this will get moved to the backroom if people start discussing the rights and wrongs of hunting.
Thank god you posted that, or I would have typed a whole book against it. Anyway I'll just keep it with a smily then.
:no:

[doc_bean]

There isn't much open space here to go hunting, I might consider it otherwise. Chasing rabbits through fields doesn't sound like that much fun.

I'll keep the shooting to my camera :yes:

[Sjakihata]

Thank god you posted that, or I would have typed a whole book against it. Anyway I'll just keep it with a smily then.
:no:

No, please Im interested in the moral perspective. I understand that you dont approve of it if you are a vegetarian, however, if you eat meat I see no problem. Are you a vegetarian Gert?

[Mount Suribachi]

Wow, Sjakihata, I would have had you right up there with JAG and co as the last person on these boards who would go hunting....guess it must be a Scandanavian thing.

[Sjakihata]

To me there isnt anything morally problematic with hunting. Only thing that I do not approve of (as already stated) is trophy hunting, only for the trophy. Hunting within the legal framework is fine and quite stimulating. Im a nature person and I look forward to spend more intense time in nature hunting. Hunting is not so much killing, as it is learning about sustainability of nature, how nature behaves and learning about it.

edit: I also fish. To me there isnt a difference between the two.

[Moros]

No, please Im interested in the moral perspective. I understand that you dont approve of it if you are a vegetarian, however, if you eat meat I see no problem. Are you a vegetarian Gert?
I'm a to be vegetarian once I get rid of my mother's tyranny!
And I'd be happy to try to convince you of not going hunting, tough it will only be more difficult in English, but this is not the right place. May I invite you for a discussion in the backroom. Thank you verry much. In anycase let me just say that there's also a difference in hunting on wildlife and eating animal bred (spelling?) for this. Killing animals bred for it doesn't affect wildlife, directly. Hunting does. However companies breeding the animals usually aren't that good for the enviroment either. But I still find there to be a difference between the two.

In anyway I hope I didn't went to far by posting this, if I did, my apologies and I'll edit my posts asap. But I sincerely hope I didn't.

[Sjakihata]

Of course you didnt went too far. Let's just continue the discussion here, while we wait for the lazy mods to move this thread.

When you hunt, you dont go around shooting anything at any time. There are extremely strict rules and regulations for when you are allowed to shoot what, just like fishing quota. That ensures sustainability in nature. Each year new charts are released regulating what is on priority. Hunting actually helps the environment. For example everyone in denmark is encouraged to shoot minks, since they dont have a natural habitat in denmark and actually spoils nature and eats too much, so other animals will suffer. this is mainly due to the mink-industry.


I'm a to be vegetarian once I get rid of my mother's tyranny! Nothing prevents you from actually eat the meat served, is there? I see no difference between eating hunted game meat and livestock meat. Please expound on the difference.

[Justiciar]

There's blood on your hands, guys. Blood on your haaands! :laugh4:

I've never really been hunting before. Closest I ever came was chasing my brother down the road with an air-rifle.

[yesdachi]

I like to hunt but I don’t go very often anymore. I don’t approve at all of trophy hunting (a sweet photo on the mantle is just as nice as a stuffed head, less creepy too) but I have no issue showing off a big kill. I also have no issue hunting pests and dangerous or harmful animals and I don’t mind fishing or even trapping but I think it should be done responsibly and over doing it is definitely a bad thing.

I love the thought of eating what you have caught or shot, although I think deer processing is just about as expensive as buying the meat outright anymore, its best to do it yourself if you can.

A buddy of mine probably spends $200 - $500 (food, gas, new gear, etc) bucks over the course of a few weeks hunting and if he is lucky he will get something and then spend another $100 bucks having it processed. He has made it clear that it is not about the meat but about the “hunting”, I’d say it better be because that dear jerky is good but not at $20 a pound! ~D
That reminds me, we have this place in town that sells exotic jerky, I think I will stop on my way home for some ostrich or maybe wild bore!


I have actually hit more deer with my car than I have shot with my gun, which actually brings up the #1 reason insurance companies love hunting season.

[Moros]

Of course you didnt went too far. Let's just continue the discussion here, while we wait for the lazy mods to move this thread.

When you hunt, you dont go around shooting anything at any time. There are extremely strict rules and regulations for when you are allowed to shoot what, just like fishing quota. That ensures sustainability in nature. Each year new charts are released regulating what is on priority. Hunting actually helps the environment. For example everyone in denmark is encouraged to shoot minks, since they dont have a natural habitat in denmark and actually spoils nature and eats too much, so other animals will suffer. this is mainly due to the mink-industry.
Ofcourse hunting helps the enviroment. Anyway I'll just go shooting some Arabians from across the street as I want to help the society. Belgium clearly isn't their natural habitat...:help:

Also the rules aren't that great, if you ask me, and they are more frequently disregarded than they are followed, are they not? I've seen many a man violating them.


Nothing prevents you from actually eat the meat served, is there? I see no difference between eating hunted game meat and livestock meat. Please expound on the difference.
You clearly don't know my mother...
If you think a loony axe swinging canadian is bad...

[Sjakihata]

Ofcourse hunting helps the enviroment. Anyway I'll just go shooting some Arabians from across the street as I want to help the society. Belgium clearly isn't their natural habitat...:help:


What an igonrant statement. If this is the level on which you wish to continue our discussion, then good bye.

[Moros]

What an igonrant statement. If this is the level on which you wish to continue our discussion, then good bye.
I hope for you, that it is ignorant. I sincerely do hope that, for you.

[Kekvit Irae]

There is a difference between hunting for sport, hunting for food, and poaching. One is in the morally-gray area, one has been essential to life for thousands of years, and one is both morally and legally wrong. Let's try not to mix up these in our ideas of what hunting is.

On that note, I'd like to keep this thread in the Frontroom.

I used to go hunting with my father with a 6 gauge shotgun, quail and dove hunting. That thing kicked so much that I chose a rifle for myself when I was old enough to hunt alone.

[Moros]

On that note, I'd like to keep this thread in the Frontroom.
Understood. I will leave this thread.

[QUOTE=Kekvit Irae]There is a difference between hunting for sport, hunting for food, and poaching. One is in the morally-gray area, one has been essential to life for thousands of years, and one is both morally and legally wrong. Let's try not to mix up these in our ideas of what hunting is.[Quote]
But let me say just one more thing. I don't believe it is essential to hunt to live in Denmark.

Au revoir.

[scooter_the_shooter]

This will probably get this moved to the back room...so if you don’t want that tell me and I’ll delete this.

Don't let anyone tell you that it’s wrong to hunt.

Here in the states hunters fund almost every thing for preserving the outdoors. (There is a tax on all hunting equipment that goes to wild life preservation and such)

You know the {insert some place where tree hugging bird watchers like to go who hate hunting} was probably paid for by hunters:2thumbsup:

Hunters literally do pay for almost all the wild life preservation in the states. (not an exageration)

It also keeps populations in check. We allow hunting here and deer are still over populated. They are getting hit by cars more then usual and are starving to death in some areas...imagine how much worse it'd be without hunting.


One thing that always ticks me off is non vegans who want to ban hunting. Same thing only they just can't stomach the dirty work themselves so...they hire hit men to do their meat in. (that steak you are eating didn't fall over and die by itself.)

[scooter_the_shooter]

Here is part of the ecnomic impact hunters make.




* Hunters spend $605 million on hunting dogs, far more than the $513 million skiers spend on ski equipment.
* Each year hunters spend more on food for hunting trips than Americans spend on Domino’s Pizza.
* Hunters support more than 500,000 jobs.
* The $2.4 billion in annual federal income-tax money generated by hunters’ spending would be enough to cover the annual paychecks of 100,000 U.S. troops.

Every five years the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service conducts a survey through the U.S. Census Bureau that includes information on the economic impact of hunting and fishing by state. According to survey figures from the 2001 National Survey of Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife-Associated Recreation, South Dakota enjoys a $366 million boost.

Here is a breakdown of hunting expenditures in South Dakota by resident and nonresident hunters:


http://www.sdgfp.info/Wildlife/Economics/Huntingeconomics.htm

[Samurai Waki]

Hunting has always been a really big thing where I'm from, but I was never partial to it. Couldn't stand waking up at 4 o'clock in the morning to hike up and down a 2,000 foot slope, in 3 feet of snow, while freezing my *** off for eight hours.

not too mention, if you got something, you'd have to split in half, take one chunk down, tie the other half to a tree, get home, sleep for a couple of hours, and then go back and take down the other half. And I could never stand gutting... It seemed almost inevitable, that at some point, someone would *accidentally* puncture the stomach, which would spill out a green, putrid acid, that you couldn't get out of your clothes until the next year.

I'm fine waking up at 10 in the morning, to the sound of cars, and the humdrum of the city life.