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Lemur
01-11-2007, 05:21
Some interesting graphics coming from MarineTimes.com (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=wherecamefrom.php), including a map of the U.S. with dots indicating where our 3k casualties originated. Worth looking at. If you take the link, there are other breakdowns worth examining.


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/3000_KIA_Big_Map_750.jpg (http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/static.php?f=wherecamefrom.php)

Strike For The South
01-11-2007, 05:29
How is this surprising?

Higher pop=more deaths

Beren Son Of Barahi
01-11-2007, 05:33
id like to see that map paired against a an ecomomic model/map of the us. models/graphs of the education/econmomic background of the deaths...


the poor fight to keep the rich.

Strike For The South
01-11-2007, 05:40
id like to see that map paired against a an ecomomic model/map of the us. models/graphs of the education/econmomic background of the deaths...


the poor fight to keep the rich.

Not really....

naut
01-11-2007, 05:54
the poor fight to keep the rich.
Not always true, but nonetheless it would be interesting to see.

Lemur
01-11-2007, 06:24
id like to see that map paired against a an ecomomic model/map of the us. models/graphs of the education/econmomic background of the deaths...
There isn't a map like that, but there are a number of interesting graphics to be found if you'd care to follow the link ...

Sensei Warrior
01-11-2007, 06:31
I was all set to don my armor in defense of the economically oppressed, but unfortunately...

http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm

It would seem, at least to Tim Kane and Heritage.org, that the poor are actually underrepresented in our military. Hmm, maybe times have changed or their data is skewed, but for what its worth I'll let others decide.

Perhaps that myth, the poor fight are wars, comes from the days where there was an actual draft. In that case, the middle class and up found it much easier to send their children to college, or use their influence to avoid military service all together.

BigTex
01-11-2007, 08:43
Good graph, and one that truly show's pop density has a large effect on number of deaths taken. You can actually identify the major metroplosises in the USA by the dot's there. The DFW area is simple to pickout in North Texas. But it also show's the death's per total number of residents, which I think is more important. Most of the Eastern seaboard has taken the casualties light really. Even New York has lowest death to population ratio displayed on the map. Also it show's the plain states suffer the most, the heaviest pop to death ratio's are located in the Great Plains region.

sapi
01-11-2007, 09:38
id like to see that map paired against a an ecomomic model/map of the us. models/graphs of the education/econmomic background of the deaths....
I was going to suggest that myself, though unemployment would be a better thing to cross-reference with.

One interesting thing i've noticed in australia's situation (and something which really emphasises how it's the poor who fight) is that as the economy has got stronger in recent years, the average age of soldiers has gone up and the recruitment rate down (the army is now having to raise pay in an effort to get more troops)

BigTex
01-11-2007, 10:06
The "poor fighting for the rich" is hardly a principle in the current US army. Most come from middle class and upper middle class families. A more interesting chart would be to show average income during their upbringing and the ratio that are officers. Would be willing to place odd's on which have a higher percentage of officer's in the army.

Uesugi Kenshin
01-11-2007, 15:03
That little red dot in South Western Vermont got a lot of newspaper coverage. I still actually remember more or less what the guy looked like...

Yeah I don't really have anything to add to the discussion besides that.