And the GOP rejoices...

[drone]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/20/clinton.announcement/index.html
Everyone sort of knew it was coming, but it's now official. Hillary is running, and I don't mean she's chasing Bill away from an intern.

[BigTex]

I'd comment further on Hilary, but my siggy say's it all. I doubt that she'll get much support either seeing as this is a game forum...

Looks like more good news for the Republicans.

[Kralizec]

Gah.

I admit that I haven't been following American politics for a while. Who are the most probable GOP candidates?

[doc_bean]

She can never win the actual election, only undermine her own party now. Surely that's obvious ?

[Vuk]

She can never win the actual election, only undermine her own party now. Surely that's obvious ?

I am not so confident. Almost every woman I know says they'll vote for her just because she is female. Also, many Republican and Democrat men will vote for her because she is a woman. She will also get a lot of votes from minorities. Not to mention that the Democrat party always votes its ticket no matter what. So even if they hate her, most demos will vote for her. I think she may have a real good chance of winning. Everyone said Bill didn't have a chance either, but he won. (One of the big reasons he won is because women who knew nothing of politics voted fo him because they thought he was "cute" :P Another is because he had foriegn funding...which Hilary may be getting indirectly...)

[Kralizec]

Another is because he had foriegn funding...which Hilary may be getting indirectly...)

I was under the impression that this was explicitly forbidden (wich is probably why you said "indirectly")
Care to elaborate?

[AntiochusIII]

:wall:

I'm so glad I can't vote now. Between a party of arseholes and a party of arseholes, I might have to kill myself.

Get the hell out of the race, Mrs. Mothers-Against-Everything-Remotely-Close-To-Freedom.

[Vuk]

I was under the impression that this was explicitly forbidden (wich is probably why you said "indirectly")
Care to elaborate?

People in the U.S. (now U.S. citizens, owning U.S. companies (which in reality are nothing but branches of foriegn companies), will donate to the democratic party if she wins the primaries. (several biggies have promised to do so, and others were involved directly or inderectly in funding Bill, and will probably fund her. The less said about that the better...)
In other words, U.S. citizens and companies doing other countries bidding.

You have to wonder, if it is in another countries best interests for a canidate to win, is it really in ours? (esp. a competing super power like China...)

[Ser Clegane]

now U.S. citizens, owning U.S. companies (which in reality are nothing but branches of foriegn companies

That does not make too much sense. Either the US citizens are owning these ominous companies you talk about, or they are branches of foreign companies.


In other words, U.S. citizens and companies doing other countries bidding.
Again - what is it? Foreign companies or foreign countries? The interests of foreign companies are not necessarily the same as those of foreign countries.

How about getting a bit more specific?

[Fisherking]

:no:
Well if history is any indicator she will carry all those principal Democratic strongholds, you know, the ones where the dead are the major voting block.

:oops:

[rory_20_uk]

That does not make too much sense. Either the US citizens are owning these ominous companies you talk about, or they are branches of foreign companies.


Again - what is it? Foreign companies or foreign countries? The interests of foreign companies are not necessarily the same as those of foreign countries.

How about getting a bit more specific?

When one is embarking on a tirade against "them" - the shadowy figures that control one's country (be it Japanese, Jews, whites, blacks or whatever) being specific doesn't help as then evidence might be required.

Just know it's "them" and it's all their fault...

~:smoking:

[Hosakawa Tito]

Major Dem. candidates:

Senator Hillary Clinton - New York
Senator Barak Obama - Illinois
Former Senator John Edwards - North Carolina (Kerry's running mate in 2004)
Senator Joe Biden - Delaware

Major Republican candidates:

Senator John McCain - Arizona
Former New York City Mayor Rudi Giuliani
Former Governor Mitt Romney - Mass.
Senator Chuck Hagel - Nebraska
Former Governor George Pataki - New York

There's a bunch of bit player wannabes from both parties, Reverend Al "Shake down Whitey" Sharpton, Newt Gingrich, General Wesley Clark are the only ones with any name recognition at all, but they don't really stand a chance.

McCain's chances got slimmer since he has backed Dubya's recent surge decisions for Iraq. I think he was the Republicans best chance, but probably not now. Hagel doesn't back the surge, and said so publically, and he's not the only Republican Party member either, Bush is dangerously close to losing the majority backing of his own party. Hagel is definitely the best darkhorse candidate. Rudi has local appeal, but no chance, same for Romney, and Pataki's a joke his own party likes him less than Bush. As my governor for the last decade I probably hate him more than his party. hehehe

Hillary, no thank you. Obama is interesting, but I don't know that much about him, yet. Biden, can't recall much of anything worthwhile about him. Edwards, blah.

I wanted McCain in place of Dubya back in 2000, but he got back stabbed by his own party during the nomination process, Pataki helped kept him off the New York ballot.

Don't know who I'll vote for now, we'll have to wait and see.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Hilary Clinton would he a joke. The Demcrats would need to absolute complete idiots with no living grey matter.

Can you imagine her first hour in the White House?

*Hilary Walks in.*

Marine: Madam President!

*Bill Walks in.*

Marine: MR PRESIDENT.

Bill: Sure is nice to be back.

No. Credability. At. All.

[Marshal Murat]

I like Obama.
He is a 'clean slate' that everyone will impress their opinions on.

Women and the whole fem. rights will vote for Hillary.

Luckily, my parents have guaranteed to move to Scotland or Nicaragua (maybe even Costa Rica) if Hillary wins.

[Samurai Waki]

...While on the whole, I dislike Hillary Clinton, and would vote Obama any day of the week, most voters don't look at the hard facts and only see whats directly in front of them and make assumptions.

People will look at Hillary Clinton as a Champion for Women's Rights...blah blah blah.

People will snicker to themselves as they see the obvious ryhme between Obama and Osama.

And People Will Flatly Refuse to vote Republican because GWB royally screwed the entire Party's Credibility.

[Navaros]

I found it really funny, I read this in an article and they were right, she was a carpetbagger just like they said:


Her own political career began to take shape in late 1998 when New York Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan announced he would not seek re-election to the Senate seat he had held since 1976.

The campaign trail was not always friendly. For almost every cheer, there was a shouted "Go home, Hillary!" and the emerging Republican theme that carpetbagger Clinton simply wanted to use New York as a launching pad for a later presidential run.



Guess those in NY who voted for her must feel pretty stupid now for not believing the truth when it was told to them all those years ago.

[Fisherking]

I found it really funny, I read this in an article and they were right, she was a carpetbagger just like they said:XYZ

Guess those in NY who voted for her must feel pretty stupid now for not believing the truth when it was told to them all those years ago.

If you say that, it makes me think that you are not a Dem. or at least not a strong one.:inquisitive:

Didn't the party spend all that time doing their best to defend the Clinton's for 8 plus years even when it was obvious to any one with a brain and even some plant life that they (the Clintons) were corrupt? It got to the point to where the Dem.s rejoiced at the latest ridiculous statements and counter accusations by the various mouthpieces. They themselves didn't believe it. It was all a matter of just frustrating the Rep.s.:laugh4:

Ds & Rs hold fundamentally different viewpoints on what is fair or good. Ds see it all as relative and any thing they do to defeat the evil of the Rs is justified. That is also why the dead always vote Democrat. Not that Republicans wouldn't use dirty tricks but if found out they would actually feel the need to do what they perceive as the honourable thing and admit it or resign. The Democrats just raise smoke screens and try to paint everyone as doing the same thing and obscure the facts.

Republicans actually try to convince people that their ideas are better and will help everyone. Once elected some of the high ideals go by the wayside and they help their friends, the same as the Democrats do but the Republicans are always more interested in the appearance of honesty than are the Democrats.

I suppose it breaks down something like this:

Democrats are right and will do almost anything to foil those evil Republicans.

Republicans are pretty sure they are right and want people to agree with them, please:sweatdrop: . Usually a bit desperate.

There are exceptions of course, (Jimmy Carter comes to mind) but in the end you won't like who you get no matter which party you're from. It might be better to get Republicans just because they can usually be convinced to resign when they screw up really bad.

[AntiochusIII]

Ds & Rs hold fundamentally different viewpoints on what is fair or good. Ds see it all as relative and any thing they do to defeat the evil of the Rs is justified. That is also why the dead always vote Democrat. Not that Republicans wouldn't use dirty tricks but if found out they would actually feel the need to do what they perceive as the honourable thing and admit it or resign. The Democrats just raise smoke screens and try to paint everyone as doing the same thing and obscure the facts. :laugh4:

Republicans actually try to convince people that their ideas are better and will help everyone. Once elected some of the high ideals go by the wayside and they help their friends, the same as the Democrats do but the Republicans are always more interested in the appearance of honesty than are the Democrats. :laugh4:

I'm sorry but, this is just too much. :laugh4:

[Fisherking]

My favourite candidate will only appear on the ballot in Nevada. The name of that candidate is:


None of the Above.


Here is a little quote I hope you enjoy.

It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress.
Mark Twain

[Major Robert Dump]

Yes, the Bush family has never gotten any "indirect" foreign support from the nice people in Suadi Arabia, and we've never sent the Navy to protect privately owned oilrigs in the Persian Gulf that are plenty capable of protecting themselves. I love politics.

Guliani doesn't have a chance, he's a gun grabber. The NRA and GAO have already mobilzed against him.

[KukriKhan]

So nobody thinks any 3rd-party candidate stands a chance? No Nader or R.Perot to either win, or play 'spoiler'?

BTW the anti-Obama whisper campaign has already started ("he's a cigarette smoker! ewww", "Obama = Osama, omg!" "He was educated in an Indonesian Madrassa!").

However Iraq goes between now and the August recess (after which they'll all be campaigning, not working), is likely to shape the fight, IMHO.

[Sjakihata]

I love US elections. Great entertainment for no costs. And you know a loser will always win.

[Marshal Murat]

It's interesting.

1)No one is really talking about GOP candidates. Is it because of a lack of name recognition?
2)Have they screwed themselves so far up on the neo-con/christian post that they can't fall down?
3)Or is it because Republican=corrupt

Bush was the worst thing to happen to the GOP.
Now back to the stab of the the thread.
Hillary Clinton has money and political advisors, on the flip, she looks like the devil, and doesn't seem to be very intelligent (Hillaryhealth). She is probably smart, as smart as any white Senator could be.
Barack Obama has the charisma and standing to draw moderate Republicans (like me) to his standard while still appealing to Democratic bases. His draw back is his inexperiance, which is going to be inflated into another Earth.

What I want to see is if there is any similarity to Abe Lincoln-Barack Obama. Not really in the realm of upraising, but in terms of senator-president.

I want to see debates between Hillary and Obama, see if I can spot the horns.
:skull:

[Strike For The South]

I dont like any of them. I think if a strong 3rd party canadite could come along he may have a shot this election

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Did anyone see that film "Bulworth" where a Senator plans his own assassination, then goes out and tells the truth?

He was a Republican, the other Republicans had him shot in the end.

As a satire of American politics it covered everything from the Jewish lobby to free healthcare.

[KukriKhan]

Actually, the Bulworth character was a Democrat (link to synopsis) (http://rwor.org/a/v20/960-69/961/bulworth.htm) .

Interestingly, that film, distributed and financed by Fox, would never have been made, except that W. Beatty (director, writer & star) had financing for it (then, an unspecified project) a condition in his contract for making the disappointing Dick Tracy movie, a couple years earlier.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Actually, the Bulworth character was a Democrat (link to synopsis) (http://rwor.org/a/v20/960-69/961/bulworth.htm) .

Interestingly, that film, distributed and financed by Fox, would never have been made, except that W. Beatty (director, writer & star) had financing for it (then, an unspecified project) a condition in his contract for making the disappointing Dick Tracy movie, a couple years earlier.

Well it just goes to show how they all look the same these days.

Had you shown me Blair's latest speach ten years ago I wouldn't have believed that was Labour.

[KukriKhan]

H'ain't it the truth, mate.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Obama is a Liberal Democrat with no Foreign Policy experience. He has little to no chance drawing moderate Republican votes. McCain has plenty of Foreign Policy experience to go along with his war hero status and will attract more conservative Democrat votes.

Kukri, can you even name a third party presidential candidate? Neither can I.
How about Pat Paulson?:laugh4:

The Dems might be better off nominating Wesley Clark to take on McCain.
However, the problem with party politics is that there's too much concern for the party's perceived needs than for the electorate, and the best candidate for the people sometimes doesn't get the nomination.

[Marshal Murat]

I consider myself a moderate Republican and like Obama, but lack of foreign experiance does lend to a stumbling block. What about Obama-McCain? Lol.

Anyway, Hillary will be punching through, and I hope she gets shot down over Iowa and New Hampshire.

[KukriKhan]

Kukri, can you even name a third party presidential candidate? Neither can I.
How about Pat Paulson?:laugh4:

LoL. Kukri's prediction for the November '08 ballot:

-Dems will pick Clinton-Edwards for their ticket.

-Repubs will go with McCain-Romney.

-Obama, having been sqeezed out by the Dem whisper machine, will 'do a Lieberman' and run Indy, try to get Powell (who'll decline) and finally hook up with Lieberman, totally ticking off the Klanny-types.

30% of the popular vote to each, for the 1st time in history. 51% of the Electoral College to (fill in the blank - too early to tell).

You saw it here first, folks.

[JimBob]

Barack Obama has the charisma and standing to draw moderate Republicans (like me) to his standard while still appealing to Democratic bases. His draw back is his inexperiance, which is going to be inflated into another Earth.

Go to SCOTT STANTIS (https://www.copleynews.com/CNSQueries/EditorialCartoons.idq)

I'd like to see Obama win. But if Clinton gets nominated I'll have one of three choices 1) Hope Giuliani or Romney gets nominated by the Republicans. 2) Write in 'Mike Ditka' 3) Begin the revolution.

[Marshal Murat]

Obama 08', Osama in 09', Peace in 10'

Anyway....

[Papewaio]

Considering the buy one get two for the Whitehouse idea of the Clintons before shouldn't this this count as her third term :2thumbsup: ... she was obviously wearing the pants because he certainly wasn't wearing his. :clown:

[Devastatin Dave]

we didn't want to know (Ser Clegane)

[Papewaio]

I suggest you keep yourself virginal :juggle: as Dr Rice may be the woman you have been waiting for...

[Strike For The South]

I'd vote Ditka

[Devastatin Dave]

I suggest you keep yourself virginal :juggle: as Dr Rice may be the woman you have been waiting for...
I already gave her...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Bah, Hillary is a socialist (though not as inept of a politician as of late) - gun grabbing, nationalized health, etc.

Obama is also a gun grabbing, big time socialist - much more liberal than the bed wetting in adoration media makes him out to be.

Guliania is more RINO than I'd like, McCain seems to not mind the constitution, Romney is from Massachusetts...

We'll see how it turns out.

CR

[Goofball]

Major Dem. candidates:

Senator Hillary Clinton - New York
Senator Barak Obama - Illinois
Former Senator John Edwards - North Carolina (Kerry's running mate in 2004)
Senator Joe Biden - Delaware

Major Republican candidates:

Senator John McCain - Arizona
Former New York City Mayor Rudi Giuliani
Former Governor Mitt Romney - Mass.
Senator Chuck Hagel - Nebraska
Former Governor George Pataki - New York

There's a bunch of bit player wannabes from both parties, Reverend Al "Shake down Whitey" Sharpton, Newt Gingrich, General Wesley Clark are the only ones with any name recognition at all, but they don't really stand a chance.

McCain's chances got slimmer since he has backed Dubya's recent surge decisions for Iraq. I think he was the Republicans best chance, but probably not now. Hagel doesn't back the surge, and said so publically, and he's not the only Republican Party member either, Bush is dangerously close to losing the majority backing of his own party. Hagel is definitely the best darkhorse candidate. Rudi has local appeal, but no chance, same for Romney, and Pataki's a joke his own party likes him less than Bush. As my governor for the last decade I probably hate him more than his party. hehehe

Hillary, no thank you. Obama is interesting, but I don't know that much about him, yet. Biden, can't recall much of anything worthwhile about him. Edwards, blah.

I wanted McCain in place of Dubya back in 2000, but he got back stabbed by his own party during the nomination process, Pataki helped kept him off the New York ballot.

Don't know who I'll vote for now, we'll have to wait and see.

I would love to see an Obama vs. Giuliani election.

It would be the first American election since my birth where I would consider it a win - win situation.

[Goofball]

Bah, Hillary is a socialist (though not as inept of a politician as of late) - gun grabbing, nationalized health, etc.

Obama is also a gun grabbing, big time socialist - much more liberal than the bed wetting in adoration media makes him out to be.

Guliania is more RINO than I'd like, McCain seems to not mind the constitution, Romney is from Massachusetts...

We'll see how it turns out.

CR

Is that ever funny. I made my first post before I had read your post, CR.

~;p

[yesdachi]

I wouldn’t mind a female president but Hillary is such a disgusting person I can’t see it happening for her, and I would be embarrassed to be an American if it does. I think this election will be very dependant on the VP nominations.

[Rameusb5]

As someone who is going to have to choose between these guys next year, I'd like to have some more information on them. Can anyone point me to a "resume" for each that gives me a rundown of their past choices as well as their current political standing?

McCain and Clinton I'm familiar with, and Obama's been in the news lately, but I'm not sure on the rest other than their campaign rhetoric, which doesn't count for anything.

[yesdachi]

As someone who is going to have to choose between these guys next year, I'd like to have some more information on them. Can anyone point me to a "resume" for each that gives me a rundown of their past choices as well as their current political standing?

McCain and Clinton I'm familiar with, and Obama's been in the news lately, but I'm not sure on the rest other than their campaign rhetoric, which doesn't count for anything.
Wait a few months until the campaigning really starts, then, just by watching a few hours of primetime TV (the commercials), you will learn everything they can afford to tell you that they want you to know about their opponents. ~D

[Rameusb5]

Wait a few months until the campaigning really starts, then, just by watching a few hours of primetime TV (the commercials), you will learn everything they can afford to tell you that they want you to know about their opponents. ~D

Unfortunately, I don't care for campaign rhetoric. It's meaningless. I'd like to know about their histories though. I guess some time well spent on the internet (!) will get me what I need. So far, I'm not very impressed with the choices.

[Xiahou]

Here's (http://ontheissues.org/2008_Speculation.htm) a list of potential candidates for '08 along with a cliff notes version of some of their stances on issues. (scroll down and click their name)

[drone]

Here's (http://ontheissues.org/2008_Speculation.htm) a list of potential candidates for '08 along with a cliff notes version of some of their stances on issues. (scroll down and click their name)
They left off this guy.
http://www.walken2008.com/
:2thumbsup:

[Goofball]

They left off this guy.
http://www.walken2008.com/
:2thumbsup:

All joking aside, if I were an American Chris would have my vote in a heartbeat. And if he took Jack Nicholson as his running mate, I'd find a way to commit electoral fraud and vote as often as I could.

[Vladimir]

Clinton and Obama vs. Rudy and Rice. 5 bucks, any takers?

[yesdachi]

Clinton and Obama vs. Rudy and Rice. 5 bucks, any takers?
I don’t think Rice will run for anything, too much W association with her.

[drone]

All joking aside, if I were an American Chris would have my vote in a heartbeat. And if he took Jack Nicholson as his running mate, I'd find a way to commit electoral fraud and vote as often as I could.
Let's see...

VP would be getting lots of tail.
State of the Union address would be off the dial on the unintentional comedy scale.
Foreign leaders would be intimidated by either of them.

:inquisitive:

"All this nation needs is some well-placed compassion, good old-fashioned hard work, a return to family values, and more cowbell." :2thumbsup:

[KukriKhan]

Clinton and Obama vs. Rudy and Rice. 5 bucks, any takers?

Done.

Not that I disagree with your choices. This far out, who knows? I've just always been a sucker for a long-shot bet.

[Ronin]

Clinton and Obama vs. Rudy and Rice. 5 bucks, any takers?

will it be decided inside a steel cage?

[doc_bean]

will it be decided inside a steel cage?

Would be an awsome way to raise campaign funds.

[Marshal Murat]

I say we do it Redneck style...
Toss them into the Smokey Mountains, give them a shotgun, last man standing.

[Lorenzo_H]

If I were able to vote in the 08 elections I would certainly not vote for that [appropriate expletive]. 2 terms of a lying Clintonian policy is enough.

Edit: Is Rice going to run for President then?

[Cowhead418]

Any chance David Palmer is on the ticket? I used to be so excited that I'd be able to vote in this next election (I'm currently 16), but I've come to hate politicians so much that I just don't care anymore. Ah, American politics - where you vote not for you like best, but for who you hate least.

[Motep]

What I think:

Obama is a moron

Hilary is the one I would vote for...if she is as good as her husband, America will be in good shape once her term is over.

[AntiochusIII]

Any chance David Palmer is on the ticket? I used to be so excited that I'd be able to vote in this next election (I'm currently 16), but I've come to hate politicians so much that I just don't care anymore. Ah, American politics - where you vote not for you like best, but for who you hate least.You do realize, of course, that not voting is our age group's most aggravating problem. We are beaten over, robbed of our wages for some nonsensical taxes and social programs that'll never see the light of day, programs that actually benefit us are cut every time somebody wants to be "balanced budget advocate," our future prospects, and all sorts of highway robbery and nobody cares because we don't vote anyway.

It's the old people that get all those fat money from ye olde government, Medicaid, Social Security, and all that. Because they vote; those bloody partisan retirees with too much time in their hands, them. You see them lot every political convention out there, wearing stupid party shirts, waving dumb flags, giving standing ovations to every low-brow partisan demagoguery, electing in said idiotic demagogues, so they could get all the money the government robbed from their grandchildren. :P

Of course, once I vote ("if"), I'll be theoretically held accountable for whatever scummery my elected overlord decides to act upon (aka the German people voted Hitler in, it's their fault the Holocaust happens!), a guarantee for almost all the politicians out there. Which explains why many don't vote.

[Fisherking]

Or for some people this may explain some of it.

I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

[doc_bean]

It's the old people that get all those fat money from ye olde government, Medicaid, Social Security, and all that. Because they vote; those bloody partisan retirees with too much time in their hands, them.


Don't complain, over half the electorate here seems to be retired and living off of hand-outs. If we don't put an age limit on voting soon this country will be doomed.

[Watchman]

Or for some people this may explain some of it.

I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.
H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)Mr. Mencken apparently flunked History in school.

[Fisherking]

Mr. Mencken apparently flunked History in school.

Well, I don't know about that. It seems like the U.S. started out with a pretty good idea. Its just a shame that it only seems to go down hill.

I think that Franklin and Jefferson might agree with the first part of the statement and the latter seems to be holding its own for now.

But if you have the time why not try!

[Watchman]

Not trying is around the most surefire way to get a crappy governement. And in a democracy (or what by that point used to be one, presumably), well, you reap what you sow.