Aquila first cohors

[Blingerman]

Well I love the mod, but I am very dissapointed I cannot build first cohors. Is there any minimod for EB that allows them to be produced? Are they going to be included in future versions of EB? Can I add them manually, if yes how plz?
Thanks

[GodEmperorLeto]

Can I add them manually, if yes how plz?
Build two units instead of one.

Other than that, yeah, I miss the legionary Eagle as well. It was a cool addition to the game.

[cunctator]

I've made a first cohort minimod for 0.81 that will be released shortly after 0.81 and they will be in all future official releases of EB.

[Blingerman]

I've made a first cohort minimod for 0.81 that will be released shortly after 0.81 and they will be in all future official releases of EB.
WOW wonderful news, are you going to release it inside:
EB Unofficial Modding Projects forum
If not plz say as I will download ASAP.

[Geoffrey S]

Just curious, what is the rationale behind their inclusion? Aren't they merely experienced normal troops? How are the represented in recruitment?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Just curious, what is the rationale behind their inclusion? Aren't they merely experienced normal troops? How are the represented in recruitment?

The first cohort carries the Aquila (Eagle) of the Legion, losing an Eagle is a big deal and it was also a rallying point for troops. So we are going to give you Eagles and let you lose them, then suffer the consiquences.

Additionally the First Cohort were bigger, tougher men, the hieght restriction was irrc about four inches above the legion proper. This won't be represented in game but we might bump up the skill stats slightly.

Finally, the cohorts will be numbered and available in Roma. This will allow you to number your Legions.

[abou]

Is there anything that can be done to stop the AI from recruiting dozens of them? Memories of BI leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

[Zaknafien]

First Cohorts were also double-strength. I dont know if that will be portrayed in the unit or not, however.

[cunctator]

WOW wonderful news, are you going to release it inside:
EB Unofficial Modding Projects forum
If not plz say as I will download ASAP.

I will make a thread in the Unofficial Modding Projects forum as soon as it can be downlaoded.




Is there anything that can be done to stop the AI from recruiting dozens of them? Memories of BI leaving a bad taste in my mouth.


In BI they were recruitable in every province, we will limit them to just Rome so spaming first cohorts should be no problem.

The unit strength itself can be only slightly increased from 200 to 240 the R:TW maximum, so no real double strength unit.

[abou]

That's cool then.

As a side note, weren't First Cohorts only double strength by Caesar's day? If I recall correctly there isn't any evidence of the size increase until Caesar's commentaries. Do correct me if I am wrong.

[Spectral]

I believe it was only on the Early Empire's that 1st cohorts assumed their double-strength figures ?

And how is this going to be implemented for the camillian or polybian army ? whhic unit is going to carry the eagle, triarii? ;)

[Orb]

I believe it was only on the Early Empire's that 1st cohorts assumed their double-strength figures ?

And how is this going to be implemented for the camillian or polybian army ? whhic unit is going to carry the eagle, triarii? ;)

I think implementing it for the Camillan/Polybian forces as well would be somewhat unfair for other factions, those filthy Romans already have enough units :beam:

[BigTex]

I've made a first cohort minimod for 0.81 that will be released shortly after 0.81 and they will be in all future official releases of EB.

Ahh goodies. Been wondering why there was that unit description hidden away. Is there going to be a seperate first cohort unit for the marian and the augustan reforms?


So we are going to give you Eagles and let you lose them, then suffer the consiquences.

So will they be recruitable or a scripted reward?

[Boyar Son]

I would use them for every legion I'll use. And I hope theres gonna be penalties for losing the unit, just adds realism.

I just hope the romans keep at least one and not two or three 1st cohorts, or then the fighting would be very difficult for a barbarian faction.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I think implementing it for the Camillan/Polybian forces as well would be somewhat unfair for other factions, those filthy Romans already have enough units :beam:

Prior to the Marian reforms the Legions did not carry the Aquila as a standard. While the Eagle was already a military symbol it was not until Marius that it become the Legionary Standard across the board, and it was not until the time of Augustus that the First Cohort became a double strength unit.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

That sounds fantastic to me! Will the aquila be a polygon model or just a magical item ontop of the banner? I can remember very well how disappointed I was when seeing the vanilla "aquilas".:furious3:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

They'll be like the Vanilla ones, engine limitations I'm afraid.

[QwertyMIDX]

Well since we use the attribute that gives the eagle to celtic champion units in EB, it would probably be best (if possible) to ditch the floating eagle and give them a standard with one (if possible).

[Eduorius]

I am so happy to know we are going to have First Legio Cohorts.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

They'll be like the Vanilla ones, engine limitations I'm afraid.
Oh. That's sad.

I (as I don't know anything about modding RTW) wonder why this seems to be impossible. I would consider it as not very difficult to take a basic legionary unit, increase the amount of legionaries, and then simply reshape the signum to make it look like an aquila. Voilà.

Am I too "green" into that?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It requires additional model space. We'd need to model a signifier carrying an Aquila and I'm not even sure the same faction can have two different standard bearers.

[Blingerman]

Well, I don´t remember how it is a first cohor in vanilla, I have never gone so far in vanilla but in RTR the unit had a bigger size and a man had a poligonal golden aquila. Very cool indeed.

[cunctator]

Numbers of officers/standard bearers for factions is only limited by model space. Prometheus made an aquilifer for Res Gestae for example:
https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8379/1srtcohortii3xe6mu.jpg
If model space in M:TW2 is significantly increased maybe we can have one in EB2.

For the other questions I simply post the first cohorts part of the (yet unposted here) minimod annoucement post. It all works as in vanilla R:TW or BI:


2 new Roman first cohort units for Marian and Augustan reform eras recruitable in Roma in the corresponding level 5 MIC.

-The first cohorts contains the aquilifer that carries the legions eagle standard that gives a moral bonus to nearby units. They consists of the best legionaries of the legion and thus have slightly better stats than the normal versions. All first cohort are numbered consecutively from I to infinity.

The first cohort of Legio I:
https://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6582/fcl15ij.th.jpg (https://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fcl15ij.jpg)https://img303.imageshack.us/img303/4495/firstbattlejp2.th.jpg (https://img303.imageshack.us/my.php?image=firstbattlejp2.jpg)



-Eagles can be lost (and of course in this case captured by the enemies of Rome) in battle when the Roman army is defeated and the first cohort wiped out:
https://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9338/eaglelostll6.th.jpg (https://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eaglelostll6.jpg)https://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3759/eaglecaptgrxh6.th.jpg (https://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eaglecaptgrxh6.jpg)

With some appropriate consequences for the their general:

https://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9425/eaglelost1gx4.th.jpg (https://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eaglelost1gx4.jpg)https://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3050/eaglecapt1vg0.th.jpg (https://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eaglecapt1vg0.jpg)


The eagle is transferred to the nearest enemy settlement were the roman general can try to recapture it to at least partially restore his reputation. Also this settlement will be a prefered target by the roman AI.

[Blingerman]

Waiting anxious your minimod for 0.81. A pity it can not be used the prometheus aquila for unit number restrictions. That model is what I am using in RTR. That is the reason I saw the golden poligon aquila, I haven´t seen the vanilla one.

[GodEmperorLeto]

Finally, the cohorts will be numbered and available in Roma. This will allow you to number your Legions.
THAT'S FRICKIN' AWESOME!

I mean, all the other accuracy stats are cool, but to hear that you can actually build legio X Fretensis or legio XIII Clavdia has me fired up now.

Every chance you guys get, you impress me.

[Spectral]

What would be really nice to go along this feature would be something like the minimod porposed sometime ago to set the starting date at 107 BC, the historical date for the Marian Reforms. Even with this new dynamic triggers for the Marian Reforms I would have dificulties in maintining the interest in a campaign past 200BC...

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

THAT'S FRICKIN' AWESOME!

I mean, all the other accuracy stats are cool, but to hear that you can actually build legio X Fretensis or legio XIII Clavdia has me fired up now.

Every chance you guys get, you impress me.

I'm afraid they can't be named. But they are numbered. Still, that allows you to name them yourself.

Legio XXV "Dave"

[Xtiaan72]

Will 8.1 be compatible with 8.0 saves? Or should I stop my Romani Campaign now? I'm going to have to wait and start over after 8.1 if it's not. Great work guys.....

[Blingerman]

Will 8.1 be compatible with 8.0 saves? Or should I stop my Romani Campaign now? I'm going to have to wait and start over after 8.1 if it's not. Great work guys.....
As far as I know is not savegame compatible sorry

[Boyar Son]

What we all have to remember is, that we have to wait for the marian refoms which is gonna be a long time from 270 bc not ot mention four turns per year.

[Xtiaan72]

Well I'm pretty new to EB. So that's fine with me. I just don't want to get to far into my first campaign if this patch is coming out soon. I can feel your pain if you've been playing for a while. What some people have called for is a late period provincial campaign. But it's kinda hard to ask for that when they haven't finished the version we have....

[Xtiaan72]

THAT'S FRICKIN' AWESOME!

I mean, all the other accuracy stats are cool, but to hear that you can actually build legio X Fretensis or legio XIII Clavdia has me fired up now.

Every chance you guys get, you impress me.


I want to make a XIII legion too! I don't know if you keep up with that HBO show Rome but they basically follow around two centurions from the XIII legion. They actually lifted their names from Ceasar's chronicals of Gaul ( Pullo and Varenus). These two guys are actually singled out in Ceasar's writing for heroism.

I wish they got more in detail with regards to Ceasar and his relationships with his legions during the civil war on the show. There is this classic passage in Caesar by Adrian Goldsworthy ( a great read) when Ceasar is absolutely lambasting the XIII'th. It's right before his invasion of Africa to finish off the survivers of Pharsalis. Apparently the XIII was refusing to go because he had promised them back pay and hadn't delivered. He called their bluff, decimated it's leaders ( funny thing to do to your most dependable legion) and told them all to go home. At which point the legion was shamed and begged him to change his mind.

So Ceasar says he'll think about it and takes off to Africa with two less experienced legions and gets into all kinds of trouble. He sends for reinforcements and the XIII'th come to the rescue in the nick of time! The loveable, hot headed, kick ass XIII'th!

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

I want to make a XIII legion too! I don't know if you keep up with that HBO show Rome but they basically follow around two centurions from the XIII legion. They actually lifted their names from Ceasar's chronicals of Gaul ( Pullo and Varenus). These two guys are actually singled out in Ceasar's writing for heroism.

I wish they got more in detail with regards to Ceasar and his relationships with his legions during the civil war on the show. There is this classic passage in Caesar by Adrian Goldsworthy ( a great read) when Ceasar is absolutely lambasting the XIII'th. It's right before his invasion of Africa to finish off the survivers of Pharsalis. Apparently the XIII was refusing to go because he had promised them back pay and hadn't delivered. He called their bluff, decimated it's leaders ( funny thing to do to your most dependable legion) and told them all to go home. At which point the legion was shamed and begged him to change his mind.

So Ceasar says he'll think about it and takes off to Africa with two less experienced legions and gets into all kinds of trouble. He sends for reinforcements and the XIII'th come to the rescue in the nick of time! The loveable, hot headed, kick ass XIII'th!

If you are a fan of "Rome", you will notice a bunch of little visuals in EB that come from or are reminicant of the show.

Pullo and Varenus were just based on realistic names from Caesar's legions though. The real Pullo was a centurian who eventually betrayed Caesar and died. (Btw, what can't Pullo survive? In "Rome" he has had wounds that would be mortal today and a half hour later he is back getting hurt again.)

[Xtiaan72]

Yea, I realize they just lifted the names but it was a nice touch. That actor that plays Pullo is great....Amazing that he lends a little humanity to such a brute! That gladiator scene was just insane....When he wouldn't fight until they insulted the XIII'th...Hilarious! Great show but I wish they showed military matters in more detail.. I suppose it would be just too expensive. Like shooting gladiator every week on a cable budget!

[Blingerman]

I am longing for .81 and the minimod so much I can not wait more. Nice work guys that is the best mod of all times. Now let´s work :whip: :beam: