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Del Arroyo
02-01-2007, 10:33
From Globovision: http://www.globovision.com/news.php?nid=48108

The Gas Hike

Ramón Guillermo Avelledo

The arguments which the Presidents makes to justify the hike in gas prices are reasonable. Reasonable and, as he himself would say, neo-liberal. We have the cheapest gasoline in the world. The national oil company is losing too much money. We cannot continue subsidizing the most profitable sectors.

However, the economist Jose Guerra has said and this columnist agrees, that this is a question of economic rationality to adjust a price sustained at fantasy levels for too long; and that now the increase will surely have to be even bigger. If all of this is true, and it seems to me that it is, then there is a clear responsibility upon those who kept the price of fuel so low for so long. Demagoguery has its price.

Also, this measure lets us see the truth of various inconsistencies of the regime and their consquences.

The main support for the increase announced and defended by the President is economic; for the supposed political rationale which he puts forth in all other reasoning does not always work. Sooner or later reality catches up to those who deny it.

How can we justify raising the price of gasoline for Venezuelans while we give away fuel to New York, Boston and London? How can we explain that our formidable oil wealth is spent without brakes or controls? How can we justify the prodigious presidential generosity with Cuba, Bolivia, Argentina, Nicaragua, and however many other countries he wishes?

How can we hide now certain uncomfortable realities? The national oil company is losing money, among other things, because we have to import gasoline to supply the internal market. Gasonline which is paid for dearly. This importation is necessary because our production and refining capacity is declining-- the same problem which prevents us from better taking advantage of the high oil prices worldwide.

That the rich will pay for the increase, as the President said to put a fleshy tone on the neo-liberal cheeks of his argument, is yet to be seen. Two prices for one product es a difficult thing to administer in practice and a source of corruption. We all remember the "milk for the masses".

Even if gas for the people did not increase one cent and this cheap gasoline found salvation from contraband and speculation, they would pay the increase in the effect it produced in other costs-- such as the transport of food and of all other things, and the air fares which daily move business executives who will recalculate their operating expenses, and in the adjustment of the prices of goods and services which can come with the mere threat of a rise in costs. Thus neither is it true, because it is not possible, that increasing the price of gasoline will not bring inflation. Here the government, if they don't know, are mistaken, and if they do know, lie.

The Vengeful Truth

Sooner or later reality catches up with those who deny it. We said it before, and we repeat it now. Look at the case of the chain Mercal, propped up with fat subsidies and government imports, as if it were possible to sell cheap because of a political decision, and without producing or generating secure, well-paying jobs.

"The Mercal network lacks chicken, milk and sugar." The managers of various type II establishments told El Universal that they are now recieving one sixth of what they had been getting from CASA, the official supply company.

Products are being sold on the black market. Sugar can sell for up to 4500 Bolivars per kilo. Meat, with a fixed price of little more than 9 thousand Bolivars, can be bought for up to 16 thousand. Deputy Ricardo Gutiérrez admits that there are shortages and attributes this to the fact that imports are down 42%. He says they will increase imports to fill these gaps. And wasn't sugar cane a "banner project"?

But speaking of the real world we must speak of politics also, not just economics. Society is diverse and plural, and this cannot be ignored by the political system, because it will pay for it. Deputy Iris Varela cries for debate in the National Assembly. She says that "parliament dies if there is no discussion". Because parliament has not been representing, controlling, and legislating. If not, what could she be talking about? The General Secretary of the PCV declares that this historical party will "continue existing", because it "does not depend on the will of one man". As of the Partido Unico, "some comrades will migrate, and others will continue the tradition".

Reality also imposes itself on the social sphere. What a raw report from El Universal on Sunday the 21st, which reveals why Venezuelans are emigrating-- poverty, unemployment, political instability, uncertainty. A million and a half have left in these years. A drama.

EDIT: Fixed spoiler tags.

doc_bean
02-01-2007, 11:38
It's 'his' oil. If you don't like the price go shop somewhere else.

drone
02-01-2007, 17:04
It's 'his' oil. If you don't like the price go shop somewhere else.
Technically, it's "their" oil, not "his".

Scurvy
02-01-2007, 17:13
I see nothing wrong with this at all.... :2thumbsup:

Crazed Rabbit
02-01-2007, 17:19
Looks like playtime is coming to an end...

CR

Vladimir
02-01-2007, 17:41
Looks like playtime is coming to an end...

CR

I think it's just beginning.

doc_bean
02-01-2007, 17:46
Technically, it's "their" oil, not "his".

which is why I added the ' '. He's the democratically elected president and thus representative of the Venezuelan people. Besides, the title of the thread referred to him personally.

drone
02-01-2007, 18:36
which is why I added the ' '. He's the democratically elected president and thus representative of the Venezuelan people. Besides, the title of the thread referred to him personally.
Maybe I just misread the article, but my impression was that he was raising the cost of gas in Venezuela, not the price he is selling on the world market. So your statement of "It's 'his' oil. If you don't like the price go shop somewhere else." doesn't make any sense.

Crazed Rabbit
02-01-2007, 18:38
Exactly - the world price isn't going up, but the price for Venezuelans is.

CR

doc_bean
02-01-2007, 18:42
Damn my reading skills then (I swear I actually read the article before replying) :shame: :shame: :shame:

drone
02-01-2007, 18:57
This seems like a similiar problem that Iran has. A lot of crude oil, but not enough refining capability to supply gas/petroleum products to the people without importing. And nationalizing the country's infrastructure is just what you want to do if you want new refineries built. :rolleyes: It's a wonderful way to encourage high tech investment by firms with the know-how...

Xiahou
02-01-2007, 21:30
This seems like a similiar problem that Iran has. A lot of crude oil, but not enough refining capability to supply gas/petroleum products to the people without importing. And nationalizing the country's infrastructure is just what you want to do if you want new refineries built. :rolleyes: It's a wonderful way to encourage high tech investment by firms with the know-how...
Yes, stealing all the infrastructure that these companies invested billions into building is probably a great way to get them to increase capacity and continue to invest there. :yes:


He's the democratically elected president and thus representative of the Venezuelan people. Besides, the title of the thread referred to him personally.Democratically elected dictator now isnt it?

Seamus Fermanagh
02-01-2007, 21:33
Yes, stealing all the infrastructure that these companies invested billions into building is probably a great way to get them to increase capacity and continue to invest there. :yes:

Democratically elected dictator now isnt it?

Democratically elected by huge margin President w/ "limited" dictatorial powers -- covering most functions of government, modifications to the constitution, etc. -- for 18 months.

Fortunately, there has been absolutely no talk about needing "Lebensraum in the East."

Tribesman
02-01-2007, 21:39
Wow a whole new topic about something that was dealt with in the last
"oh my God look at that chavez fella " topic .
Still , some funny but thouroughly prdictable responses .

So I must ask yet again since once more there is a big fuss about nothing , in fact a hypocritical fuss since if it was any other country as a topic those who are screaming the loudest are those who would be applauding the loudest elsewhere .
What is your fundamental opposition to a reduction in central government subsidies ?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Spare a thought for the poor old venezuelans eh , they will no longer be able to fill their cars with 14cent petrol .
Perhaps they will have to take the bus instead which will still get the old government subsidised price for gasoline .

Shocking , so very earth shatteringly shocking :coffeenews:

Crazed Rabbit
02-01-2007, 22:04
Who's been criticizing the end of these subsidies, Tribesy?

CR

Tribesman
02-01-2007, 22:37
Who's been criticizing the end of these subsidies, Tribesy?

Reading skills letting you down again Rabbit ? :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Oh and it isn't an end to subsidies , it is a reduction .:idea2:

Crazed Rabbit
02-01-2007, 22:43
No, mine aren't as bad as yours tribesy.

Why don't you point out where people were criticizing the 'reduction' of these subsidies?

Er, wait, what's that you say? You can't, so you just made a smart alec remark? :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

CR

Tribesman
02-01-2007, 22:59
Oh I see Wabbit , the purpose of this topic is to praise the reduction in government subsidies by chavez.
yep that makes more sense , it is after all a favourite right leaning topic .

Del Arroyo
02-02-2007, 01:02
I just thought that people might be interested to read what a Venezuelan columnist had to say, and that the prospect of Chavez raising domestic gas prices, as well as the analysis contained in the article, were interesting.

Marshal Murat
02-02-2007, 01:51
Sounds like a Hugo, Tisk, Tisk thread....
:yes:

Tribesman
02-02-2007, 02:10
I just thought that people might be interested to read what a Venezuelan columnist had to say
Yep , but it must be noted that that the column is in a media outlet that was involved in an attempt at armed rebellion to overthrow the government and abolish the constitution .
So it should be viewed as ever so slightly biased .~;)

Little details like this....
How can we justify raising the price of gasoline for Venezuelans while we give away fuel to New York, Boston and London? not being true for example .

This importation is necessary because our production and refining capacity is declininghmmmmmm.....doesn't the new deals reached recently with foriegn investment aim to fix that ...big time .

How can we justify the prodigious presidential generosity with Cuba, Bolivia, Argentina, Nicaragua, and however many other countries he wishes?

Ummmm....aren't all those and lots more besides tied in with new trade deals or development programs ?:yes:

How about ...
The Mercal network lacks chicken, milk and sugar." The managers of various type II establishments told El Universal that they are now recieving one sixth of what they had been getting from CASA, the official supply company.
.....interesting stuff that , a follow on from the coffee distribution crisis , so who is it that is stopping the CASA from distributing supplies ? It wouldn't be the same groups that tried to wreck the economy last time would it ?:yes: they wouldn't happen to be the same people who run the media outlet would they ?:yes:

But you are correct , it is an interesting piece and an interesting analysis .

To expand further on your article Del (or more precisely the source) , what do you think of the actions taken by the government against Globovision in regards to the alledged breaches of their broacasting license ?
Then again under the laws of the country couldn't he shut them down entirely under a wide range of laws covering treason and all sorts of stuff like that .

doc_bean
02-02-2007, 13:24
Democratically elected dictator now isnt it?

Depends on your definition of both democratic and dictator I guess.