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Thanks Redleg -- I'd skimmed too quickly, I see. You are right and my lynch was mis-placed.
Sorry for that Disco. :shame:
No problem - someone had to be lynched that round - I just want a better answer for the bandwagon being strated then the old - he was "lurking" that Sasaki proffered as the reason.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 02:15
No problem - someone had to be lynched that round - I just want a better answer for the bandwagon being strated then the old - he was "lurking" that Sasaki proffered as the reason.
Who do you think would have been a better candidate?
The only reason for lynching a lurker is that they are lurking.
Reenk has really done a number on you lol.
Who do you think would have been a better candidate?
The only reason for lynching a lurker is that they are lurking.
Reenk has really done a number on you lol.
Yeah seems so. I've provided evidence that RR is lieing, but that doesn't seem to convince him.:dizzy2: :inquisitive:
Again with the false conclusion hiding behind a question. I said he was being more consistent. You on the other hand are being inconsistent. Inconsistent is normally the tell of someone stating falsehoods. Now if you don't understand that statement maybe I will explain it into more detail. But most likely I won't. At least not until you provide a satifactory (SP) answer to tie up the inconsistency in your own statements.
Oh don't worry - once I settle your role and status to my satifisation, then I will decide if Reenk needs futher pursuit to insure he is telling the truth. Or I could just support Seamus and his claim of being a god. It seems that since both gods have challenged eac other that at a minimum they have a 1/3 possiblity to the Holmgang without any other factors included in the odds of that, and all six possible challenges are actually filled. Other factors could increase their probablity to include not all six challenges are done. Plus I suspect that one of the game conditions is that once one of the gods challenge another god - their duel is fought above all others.
Right now however you have not explained away your own inconsistency.
So after this night phase - I wonder if you can explain enough to avoid the lynch.
Point out my inconsistency's and I'll be happy to explain them.
Who do you think would have been a better candidate?
The only reason for lynching a lurker is that they are lurking.
pevergreen whom I voted for. Ichigo was also a better candidate. Even Reenk himself was a better candidate for the lynch.
Now there is a lurker who is also dong good for the town - that only lurks in the thread because they don't want to give themselves away as of yet. So lynching lurkers is not always the right answer.
Reenk has really done a number on you lol.
This is a false conclusion. You mistake my arguement toward Ichigo as being something other then it is.
It must be because of your own inconsistent arguement presentation, leads you to make leaps and jumps in logic that are not present in the discussion.
I find that rather interesting considering the last two games you tried this same tactic where you were one of the mafia players. So is this inconsistency an indication that you to are jotun?
Point out my inconsistency's and I'll be happy to explain them.
No, not right now. I want you to present your arguement about the accusations that Reenk has raised. Don't cut and paste your old arguement because that in itself was inconsistent in answering the comments.
To make it simple address the following.
Why did you send the PM mentioned to Reenk? The actual content of the PM is questionable as it is presented so far, so the intent (the why) would demonstrate which one of you is actually telling the truth.
How did you know to send the PM to Reenk that he was a god? Name he source of your information.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 02:27
So far, I think my challenge will stand.
Ichigo:
All Redleg has said to you is that: Reenk lying on some points does not automatically render his othe points invalid. I haven't heard him saying he thinks Loki is "da bomb" and that he's following orders from same.
How and why is Reenk wrong to label you a jotun? I accept that his holmgang challenge of you proves nothing but his belief that he can kill you. You did seem unusually well informed at the outset.
Redleg:
To what extent do you buy into Ichigo's counter to Reenk and labeling of some of those points as lies. If you do buy in, does this cast all of Reenk's role claims in a less reliable light?
So far, I haven't seen Sasaki acting out of character with his past performances. Mind you, he's a facile fellow, so that isn't a guarantee of anything, but his hammering of lurkers in the early and mid-game isn't too out of line for his norms.
Yeah seems so. I've provided evidence that RR is lieing, but that doesn't seem to convince him.:dizzy2: :inquisitive:
Actually you both have provide evidence that both of you are not telling the truth. The difference is that Reenk has been more consistent in his statements where you have gone all over the place with yours.
So like you attempted in the mini-game - your going to have to be very precise in your response. But unlike you, I wont be blind to the actual truth of the statement.
A consistent and logical answer will do.
No, not right now. I want you to present your arguement about the accusations that Reenk has raised. Don't cut and paste your old arguement because that in itself was inconsistent in answering the comments.
To make it simple address the following.
Why did you send the PM mentioned to Reenk? The actual content of the PM is questionable as it is presented so far, so the intent (the why) would demonstrate which one of you is actually telling the truth.
How did you know to send the PM to Reenk that he was a god? Name he source of your information.
Alright number one: Because I knew that there was a God somewhere(because Sigurd let it slip in the chat as I've said before) and I really had no reason to PM him other than curiousity.
2: Like I stated above Sigurd let it slip in the chat that there might be a God role and since no one else knew(I don't think) about this(except for GH who I told) I was curious. I had no reason not to believe his claim.
To what extent do you buy into Ichigo's counter to Reenk and labeling of some of those points as lies.
Oh I believe they are both lying about the PM and chat room discussion. To much inconsistency in Ichigo's statements, and to much logic formulation in Reenk's. The only way to sort out which one is lieing is to go into detail on one of them. So I have decided to focus on Ichigo for now because I focused on Reenk earlier. Once I determine Ichigo's truth - then I can re-examine Reenk for any inconsistency in his actual statements
If you do buy in, does this cast all of Reenk's role claims in a less reliable light?
I think the Holmgang between you and Reenk will resolve that issue. If you win the duel - it removes Reenk from the game. My vote for lynch right now tetters between Ichigo, Reenk, and pevergreen. As stated before one will be settled in the holmgang, the other can be settled by a consistent and truthful answer . Now for pevergreen he still has to answer a question posed - which he has not done, or I did not see.
So far, I haven't seen Sasaki acting out of character with his past performances. Mind you, he's a facile fellow, so that isn't a guarantee of anything, but his hammering of lurkers in the early and mid-game isn't too out of line for his norms.
Maybe - maybe not. I distrust his logic and his method. It does not seem pro-town.
So far, I think my challenge will stand.
Ichigo:
All Redleg has said to you is that: Reenk lying on some points does not automatically render his othe points invalid. I haven't heard him saying he thinks Loki is "da bomb" and that he's following orders from same.
How and why is Reenk wrong to label you a jotun? I accept that his holmgang challenge of you proves nothing but his belief that he can kill you. You did seem unusually well informed at the outset.
Cause I'm not. He's a God I'm sure he could beat a mere mortal. That's a perk to being a chat regular, of course Sigurd would never say that what I've know from the beginning is what he either told me or let slip in the chat, wouldn't you agree?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 02:40
pevergreen whom I voted for. Ichigo was also a better candidate. Even Reenk himself was a better candidate for the lynch.
Now there is a lurker who is also dong good for the town - that only lurks in the thread because they don't want to give themselves away as of yet. So lynching lurkers is not always the right answer.
lol, why pevergreen? No point in lynching reenk since seamus wants to take him. There is no case against Ichigo as far as I'm concerned.
This is a false conclusion. You mistake my arguement toward Ichigo as being something other then it is.
It must be because of your own inconsistent arguement presentation, leads you to make leaps and jumps in logic that are not present in the discussion.
I find that rather interesting considering the last two games you tried this same tactic where you were one of the mafia players. So is this inconsistency an indication that you to are jotun?
Then why don't you just say what it is? This is the reason simple discussions turn into multi page discourses. You're buying into Reenk's chaos causing attempt and distracting the town. We aren't going to find Jotun with you, me, ichigo, reenk and seamus being 95% of the posts. You may think you're patiently uncovering the truth about ichigo but you are allowing lot's of people to slip under the radar.
Alright number one: Because I knew that there was a God somewhere(because Sigurd let it slip in the chat as I've said before) and I really had no reason to PM him other than curiousity.
That doesn not explain the targeting of Reenk for that PM. For instance in one game you had me lynched for exhibiting this same type of curiousity, so using the logic you exhibited in that game - along with Sasaki you deserve to be lynched and/or challenged in this game. So far this answer does not explain away that condition given your use of it in an earlier game.
2: Like I stated above Sigurd let it slip in the chat that there might be a God role and since no one else knew(I don't think) about this(except for GH who I told) I was curious. I had no reason not to believe his claim.
See above. Not a completely satificatory answer. Why did you pick Reenk to send the PM to. There are other players in this game. Why did you use the jotun in the message?
That doesn not explain the targeting of Reenk for that PM. For instance in one game you had me lynched for exhibiting this same type of curiousity, so using the logic you exhibited in that game - along with Sasaki you deserve to be lynched and/or challenged in this game. So far this answer does not explain away that condition given your use of it in an earlier game.
Well considering the fact that RR is the only one who revealed he was a God and I thought no one else knew about God roles then he was the only likely candidate, don't you think? No, you weren't lynched because of your curiousity you were lynched because you bandwagoned, and then you decided to rhyme instead of actually coming up with a reason why you shouldn't have been lynched. I have no idea what your last line is refering too.
See above. Not a completely satificatory answer. Why did you pick Reenk to send the PM to. There are other players in this game. Why did you use the jotun in the message?
Answered that above. Which one my version of the events or Reenk's?
I think the Holmgang between you and Reenk will resolve that issue. If you win the duel - it removes Reenk from the game. My vote for lynch right now tetters between Ichigo, Reenk, and pevergreen. As stated before one will be settled in the holmgang, the other can be settled by a consistent and truthful answer . Now for pevergreen he still has to answer a question posed - which he has not done, or I did not see.
So why isn't Sasaki on your list of lynch votes? You've stated that he don't think he's a pro-town role, and you've stated he's been inconsistent. Why not him too, Redleg?
lol, why pevergreen? No point in lynching reenk since seamus wants to take him. There is no case against Ichigo as far as I'm concerned.
If you were paying attention to the thread - you would have seen the reason. It was simply because he wanted to pledge loyality to Loki for smitting me after the reveal of my role.
That would place you in the same postion as Ichigo using your logic as demonstrated in previous games. So I add you to the list of suspects once again.
Then why don't you just say what it is?
It seems you have not been reading the discussion either.
This is the reason simple discussions turn into multi page discourses. You're buying into Reenk's chaos causing attempt and distracting the town. We aren't going to find Jotun with you, me, ichigo, reenk and seamus being 95% of the posts. You may think you're patiently uncovering the truth about ichigo but you are allowing lot's of people to slip under the radar.
Tsk tsk - not a valid arguement. The voting phase is not going on at this time - its night phase. So no distraction being done to the town about whom to lynch. When the lynch vote comes I will provide the details on the individual I want to vote for. Until then the discourse is valid. I chose to pick one individual at a time to discuss - versus discussing the many. Discussing many people at this time has no value, since not enough information is present to look at the many.
I like discussion - it opens up the avenues that present the truth,
So why isn't Sasaki on your list of lynch votes? You've stated that he don't think he's a pro-town role, and you've stated he's been inconsistent. Why not him too, Redleg?
Later prehaps when I decide that he to is not for the town. Right now his inconsistency does not demonstrate a pro-jotun postion. where your answers to the questions still demonstrate a desire to decieve the town.
Well considering the fact that RR is the only one who revealed he was a God and I thought no one else knew about God roles then he was the only likely candidate, don't you think?
That explains one part but not the other.
No, you weren't lynched because of your curiousity you were lynched because you bandwagoned, and then you decided to rhyme instead of actually coming up with a reason why you shouldn't have been lynched. I have no idea what your last line is refering too.
Tsk tsk - you seemly don't remember that discussion do you. I pointed out several times where you had alreadly made up your mind - so you were blind to the truth. I also informed you that I was the detective but you closed your mind to that postion from the get-go. You will need to figure out what it means. Curosity killed the cat is the clue you need.
Answered that above. Which one my version of the events or Reenk's?
Yours - still waiting on the answer of why the jotun reference in the message.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 03:02
Ichigo, I have already done a great job exposing your inconsistencies. You have not got one on me. The only inconsistent thing I did was to have contact with both the Jotun and the town at one point, and given my circumstances , it is understandable.
On the other hand, I have answered all the challenges posed at me with clarity and poise. You are logically confused in your statements, and inconsistency shows.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 03:03
Tsk tsk - not a valid arguement. The voting phase is not going on at this time - its night phase. So no distraction being done to the town about whom to lynch. When the lynch vote comes I will provide the details on the individual I want to vote for. Until then the discourse is valid. I chose to pick one individual at a time to discuss - versus discussing the many. Discussing many people at this time has no value, since not enough information is present to look at the many.
I like discussion - it opens up the avenues that present the truth,
Oh I have been reading, but since we've been discussing this for 8 fricken pages I lose track of the details. Really, I could have told you as soon as Reenk revealed as loki that he would try and frame someone. I think I did actually. We do not need to be spending time on this. If you keep pursuing this we are going to end up like Capo, a few people talking and the rest popping in to say "to many words" and then leaving.
Discussion during the night phase is important, and it should be on target. You qualify as an honorary Jotun at this moment. Distracting the town is one of the worst of the townie sins. We don't need to rehash Ichigo anymore. Read some past games with reenk, put yourself in his shoes as loki, and the rest will become evident.
Oh, by the way, there's something in one of my other posts in this thread, and another very importang in a thread in one of the other forums, that you should read and respond too--or else I'll be placing you on my suspects list :bounce:
I couldn't possible summarize them here though. Maybe I will after another 2 or 3 pages of uselessness.
That explains one part but not the other.
Tsk tsk - you seemly don't remember that discussion do you. I pointed out several times where you had alreadly made up your mind - so you were blind to the truth. I also informed you that I was the detective but you closed your mind to that postion from the get-go. You will need to figure out what it means. Curosity killed the cat is the clue you need.
Yours - still waiting on the answer of why the jotun reference in the message.
There isn't a Jotun reference in the message.
I won't be bothered with repeating the same things over and over for pages. I've given you my answer choose to believe them or not.
@RR:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1424742&postcount=748
Oh I have been reading, but since we've been discussing this for 8 fricken pages I lose track of the details. Really, I could have told you as soon as Reenk revealed as loki that he would try and frame someone. I think I did actually. We do not need to be spending time on this. If you keep pursuing this we are going to end up like Capo, a few people talking and the rest popping in to say "to many words" and then leaving.
And this frighten you why?
Discussion during the night phase is important, and it should be on target. You qualify as an honorary Jotun at this moment. Distracting the town is one of the worst of the townie sins. We don't need to rehash Ichigo anymore. Read some past games with reenk, put yourself in his shoes as loki, and the rest will become evident.
Again until Ichigo provides a full accounting then it needs to be rehashed. I wonder why you are attempting to redirect the focus from his lies to Reenk's possible lies.
Oh, by the way, there's something in one of my other posts in this thread, and another very importang in a thread in one of the other forums, that you should read and respond too--or else I'll be placing you on my suspects list :bounce:
I couldn't possible summarize them here though. Maybe I will after another 2 or 3 pages of uselessness.
Your arguement here goes against the game aspect and into something else. you can play your way - which means I get to play the game my way. If you don't want to read my arguements in the game - simply place me on ignore. Your attempt here is seen for what it is.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 03:15
There isn't a Jotun reference in the message.
I won't be bothered with repeating the same things over and over for pages. I've given you my answer choose to believe them or not.
@RR:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1424742&postcount=748
Un, what argument did you make? You made a claim. A claim is different from a argument.
Interesting how your set of PM's are much shorter than mine. It just looks like you cut out the revealing parts...
Ichigo, I make you a deal:
I'll suicide and you'll suicide too.
Can the Jotun afford it? :wink: I have no special powers, my benefit to the town is a small one that may not get used. I'm willing to die. Are you? Is one Jotun down too much of a loss?
I won't be bothered with repeating the same things over and over for pages. I've given you my answer choose to believe them or not.
@RR:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1424742&postcount=748
Oh I don't believe you at all - I am pretty much using the same exact tactic you used on me in a previous game.
Un, what argument did you make? You made a claim. A claim is different from a argument.
Interesting how your set of PM's are much shorter than mine. It just looks like you cut out the revealing parts...
Ichigo, I make you a deal:
I'll suicide and you'll suicide too.
Can the Jotun afford it? :wink:
I have no special powers, my benefit to the town is a small one that may not get used. I'm willing to die. Are you?
I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.
Ichigo
I quickly replied:
Bring it on sucka...
Of course, Ichigo didn't want to fight, he wanted to kill townies, recruiting me in the process:
I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .
I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the Jotun. I am Hrungnir, and I know you get to pick sides. You should go ahead and side with us, as your role basically is there to confuse the town anyway.
Trust me, I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you.
Ichigo
He sent me another PM.
Here is a townie PM we were able to get. Use it if you get in trouble:
Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Ichigo
I became wishy-washy with Csar, and began my second round of posting.
I replied to him:
Quote:
Originally Posted by RR
OK, we're going to do things on my terms if I join you.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
Sorry Reenk, we call the shots here. You are already close to getting lynched.
I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.
I really have no answer for that.
Sigurd.
Ichigo
It was at this point I got upset, and started to say I expose the Jotun in public.
Now he has pushed it over the top. Pretty telling how Ichigo has been after me for quite awhile now...
Next round Ichigo, it is you who is going down.
Never piss off Loki...
Alright, If I told you at the beginning of our PM discussion then why would you ask question's that you already knew the answers too Reenk? Why would I give you a Townie PM if you revealed that you were a God? Answer these questions.
Oh I don't believe you at all - I am pretty much using the same exact tactic you used on me in a previous game.
Seems you carry grudges. :laugh4:
Seems you carry grudges. :laugh4:
Why not, it seems that is the tactic both you and Sasaki are using against Reenk in this game?
If its acceptable for one to do it, its acceptable for all.
Why not, it seems that is the tactic both you and Sasaki are using against Reenk in this game?
If its acceptable for one to do it, its acceptable for all.
:laugh4:
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 03:34
Alright, If I told you at the beginning of our PM discussion then why would you ask question's that you already knew the answers too Reenk? Why would I give you a Townie PM if you revealed that you were a God? Answer these questions.
Ok Good, some actual questions. Very easy to answer too...
"Alright, If I told you at the beginning of our PM discussion then why would you ask question's that you already knew the answers too Reenk?"
You mean why I asked you things like "why did you contact me?".
Easy. I knew there was someone after me. That's why I replied to you "Bring it on sucka :duel:". I thought you were the rival God. I also knew that a Jotun an Æsir knew who I was. I played along as your claimed Jotun, but you never actually answered me. It wasn't until Seamus Fermanagh confirmed that he was the God that completely ruled that out.
Now for a question by me: Why did you change your vote for me after the bandwagon ended on me?
"Why would I give you a Townie PM if you revealed that you were a God?"
That's your question to answer buddy. I can speculate based on what you said that it was to twist things for the town.
Now, what I want to know is why other people were also suspicious about that "the axe" PM?
Ok Good, some actual questions. Very easy to answer too...
"Alright, If I told you at the beginning of our PM discussion then why would you ask question's that you already knew the answers too Reenk?"
You mean why I asked you things like "why did you contact me?".
Easy. I knew there was someone after me. That's why I replied to you "Bring it on sucka :duel:". I thought you were the rival God. I also knew that a Jotun an Æsir knew who I was. I played along as your claimed Jotun, but you never actually answered me. It wasn't until Seamus Fermanagh confirmed that he was the God that completely ruled that out.
Now for a question by me: Why did you change your vote for me after the bandwagon ended on me?
"Why would I give you a Townie PM if you revealed that you were a God?"
That's your question to answer buddy. I can speculate based on what you said that it was to twist things for the town.
Now, what I want to know is why other people were also suspicious about that "the axe" PM?
That doesn't answer the question. Your obviously trying to avoid answering the question.
GH was the only one I remember saying anything about the axe Pm and that was after he said that he sent me his PM other than that I can't think of anything one else.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 03:42
That doesn't answer the question. Your obviously trying to avoid answering the question.
GH was the only one I remember saying anything about the axe Pm and that was after he said that he sent me his PM other than that I can't think of anything one else.
Yes it does... :rolleyes:
You are some guy who claims he is Jotun. However, given the initial PM, that is not made clear. Also, you never give a PM for a Jotun, just a fake townie PM.
Now, I tell you that if the Jotun and I have an agreement, I call the shots. Then I ask you for clear answers, instead of cryptic "I've been looking for you" remarks.
Very simple answer.
Answer these:
My first question of why you followed Sasaki Kojiro's bandwagon.
Why you haven't responded to my suicide pact deal yet?
Yes it does... :rolleyes:
You are some guy who claims he is Jotun. However, given the initial PM, that is not made clear. Also, you never give a PM for a Jotun, just a fake townie PM.
Now, I tell you that if the Jotun and I have an agreement, I call the shots. Then I ask you for clear answers, instead of cryptic "I've been looking for you" remarks.
Very simple answer.
Answer these:
My first question of why you followed Sasaki Kojiro's bandwagon.
Why you haven't responded to my suicide pact deal yet?
You still refuse to answer my question: Why after the third PM clearly states in your side of the PM's that I was Jotun and I was trying to recruit you?
I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the Jotun. I am Hrungnir, and I know you get to pick sides. You should go ahead and side with us, as your role basically is there to confuse the town anyway.
Why would you ask question's I already answered?
1.Why have you been "looking for me"?
2.Why did you contact me?
God vs. mortal=Almost certain defeat
Yeah, right. I'm supposed to believe you.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 03:56
Let us now look at your alleged PM's:
******
I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.
Ichigo
******
Bring it on sucka...
__________________________________________________ ______________
I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .
******
I know who you are Csar. You are the one out for me...
******
No, I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the town. I'm just a plain old townie like always.
******
Give me a break Csar. My identity is hidden from everyone, but Sigurd did say there was "someone out to get you".
You're the only one who knew what I was talking about.
Now, I'm going to challenge you right now, and you better hope you can get me before I get you, cause my Holmgang score is through the roof...
We'll see what happens.
Hopefully the dice are on my side and I get to kill you in a duel.
******
Fine. I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you, but you shall die by my sword.
Ichigo
******
You can't kill me buddy.
You really don't know how high my Holmgang is...
I told you all, I have no special powers, except for the Holmgangmeister that I am.
I haven't issued the challenge yet, because you challenged Sasaki just now.
Who are you?
Let me see you PM.
You may be a townie, but you got a PM, and you know something about me.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
******
Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3
Sigmund "the axe" Germundsson is who I am.
I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.
I really have no answer for that.
Sigurd.
Ichigo
******
Looks legit, though you may have borrowed a PM...
I dunno...
**********
First you say: "I knew your role before you even knew it existed".
Later, you said you knew my role because of what Siggy F said in chat.
An inconsistency.
Another thing is when you say you want me to help the town. Only three people knew who I was: A Jotun (you), and Æsir, and my rival. In your events, you claim to ask me to help to town. Again, how could you know this unless you were one of the three?
Another inconsistency.
I will point out the others later, but answer these for now.
Why not, it seems that is the tactic both you and Sasaki are using against Reenk in this game?
If its acceptable for one to do it, its acceptable for all.
Yeah if you see it that way. I'm defending myself against Reenk's attacks.
I'm not holding a grudge against anyone. If Sasaki is I have nothing to do with that.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 04:00
You still refuse to answer my question: Why after the third PM clearly states in your side of the PM's that I was Jotun and I was trying to recruit you?
Just because an answer doesn't satisfy you and your agenda, doesn't mean it's not there.
Why would you ask question's I already answered?
1.Why have you been "looking for me"?
2.Why did you contact me?
Like I said, you were cryptic. I had only a name and a indirect reference to the Jotun. Your first PM was nothing about business. It was about "looking for me". I asked for certainty. I said that any deal would be on my terms, and then I asked for real answers and not cryptic BS.
Don't bring that "God vs Mortal" thing up again. :rolleyes:
That's another one of your inconsistencies. You claim to be afraid of me, yet you challenged me and said I would die by your sword as well in your fake PM's. Not fitting for a claimed "War Veteran".
Let us now look at your alleged PM's:
******
I knew you were around somewhere. I've been searching for you.
Ichigo
******
Bring it on sucka...
__________________________________________________ ______________
I have no beef with you. I knew your role before you even knew it existed .
******
I know who you are Csar. You are the one out for me...
******
No, I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the town. I'm just a plain old townie like always.
******
Give me a break Csar. My identity is hidden from everyone, but Sigurd did say there was "someone out to get you".
You're the only one who knew what I was talking about.
Now, I'm going to challenge you right now, and you better hope you can get me before I get you, cause my Holmgang score is through the roof...
We'll see what happens.
Hopefully the dice are on my side and I get to kill you in a duel.
******
Fine. I wouldn't have contacted you if I was trying to kill you, but you shall die by my sword.
Ichigo
******
You can't kill me buddy.
You really don't know how high my Holmgang is...
I told you all, I have no special powers, except for the Holmgangmeister that I am.
I haven't issued the challenge yet, because you challenged Sasaki just now.
Who are you?
Let me see you PM.
You may be a townie, but you got a PM, and you know something about me.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
******
Human
Sigmund “the axe” Germundsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the Jarl of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3
Sigmund "the axe" Germundsson is who I am.
I've been wondering who the entire game who the God was.
I really have no answer for that.
Sigurd.
Ichigo
******
Looks legit, though you may have borrowed a PM...
I dunno...
**********
First you say: "I knew your role before you even knew it existed".
Later, you said you knew my role because of what Siggy F said in chat.
An inconsistency.
Another thing is when you say you want me to help the town. Only three people knew who I was: A Jotun (you), and Æsir, and my rival. In your events, you claim to ask me to help to town. Again, how could you know this unless you were one of the three?
Another inconsistency.
I will point out the others later, but answer these for now.
You call me guilty yet you refuse to answer simple question's.
How do you see that as an incosistency? "1.I knew your role 2.before it existed" well then let's examine it.
1. I knew of the God role
2.Before anyone else knew there were god roles. Before the game started.
Like I said before Sig told me the God role existed I didn't know who had a God role.
I didn't say help I said side with the town. How would that prove that I'm a Jotun?
Just because an answer doesn't satisfy you and your agenda, doesn't mean it's not there.
Like I said, you were cryptic. I had only a name and a indirect reference to the Jotun. Your first PM was nothing about business. It was about "looking for me". I asked for certainty. I said that any deal would be on my terms, and then I asked for real answers and not cryptic BS.
Don't bring that "God vs Mortal" thing up again. :rolleyes:
That's another one of your inconsistencies. You claim to be afraid of me, yet you challenged me and said I would die by your sword as well in your fake PM's. Not fitting for a claimed "War Veteran".
I'm not after you I just hope you would side with the Jotun. I am Hrungnir, and I know you get to pick sides. You should go ahead and side with us, as your role basically is there to confuse the town anyway.
That doesn't seem very cryptic to me RR.:rolleyes:
So I'm not supposed to be afraid of a God? I'm not going to wait around for you to challenge and kill me. What about you? You said you would challenge me after you revealed those PM's. Why didn't you? And don't give me some BS excuse about "well Seamus wanted to fight me so I challenged him" If you were truely for the town then you would be trying to kill the Jotun instead of squabbling with your nemisis.
GeneralHankerchief
02-12-2007, 04:13
This is starting to sound like a whole lot of noise to me. Discussion is good but really, this is just a little bit too much.
Let's just watch as Reenk is defeated in the Holmgang and lynch Ichigo. Problem solved.
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 04:15
You call me guilty yet you refuse to answer simple question's.
Anyone can see that I answered your questions twice. Anyone can also see that you have refused to answer my questions and refused to meet my challenge.
Why so afraid of killing yourself Jotun?
How do you see that as an incosistency? "1.I knew your role 2.before it existed" well then let's examine it.
1. I knew of the God role
2.Before anyone else knew there were god roles. Before the game started.
Like I said before Sig told me the God role existed I didn't know who had a God role.
So wait, Sig told you before the game started and that's when you were in chat? Changing the story once again...
I didn't say help I said side with the town. How would that prove that I'm a Jotun?
You PM'd me before I said anything about siding with anyone. Look early in the game. First I just claimed that I was the Lord of Chaos. Then I claimed that I was in contact with a Jotun (you) and that I could pick sides.
I have my chronological order set, you don't.
Why do you think people don't buy your lies?
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 04:17
That doesn't seem very cryptic to me RR.:rolleyes:
So I'm not supposed to be afraid of a God? I'm not going to wait around for you to challenge and kill me. What about you? You said you would challenge me after you revealed those PM's. Why didn't you? And don't give me some BS excuse about "well Seamus wanted to fight me so I challenged him" If you were truely for the town then you would be trying to kill the Jotun instead of squabbling with your nemisis.
I jumped to challenged you. You tried to lynch me coward...
Anyone can see that I answered your questions twice. Anyone can also see that you have refused to answer my questions and refused to meet my challenge.
Why so afraid of killing yourself Jotun?
So wait, Sig told you before the game started and that's when you were in chat? Changing the story once again...
You PM'd me before I said anything about siding with anyone. Look early in the game. First I just claimed that I was the Lord of Chaos. Then I claimed that I was in contact with a Jotun (you) and that I could pick sides.
I have my chronological order set, you don't.
Why do you think people don't buy your lies?
No, you said my PM was cryptic when it clearly was not.
Prove it.
When did I PM you RR?
If that was true then you would have challenged me after Disco was lynched.
This is starting to sound like a whole lot of noise to me. Discussion is good but really, this is just a little bit too much.
Let's just watch as Reenk is defeated in the Holmgang and lynch Ichigo. Problem solved.
I concur.
This is starting to sound like a whole lot of noise to me. Discussion is good but really, this is just a little bit too much.
Let's just watch as Reenk is defeated in the Holmgang and lynch Ichigo. Problem solved.
Yeah that would help. Randomly lynch people on false PM's GH you don't seem to be adding anything.
GeneralHankerchief
02-12-2007, 04:29
Shut it, both of you. I'm trying to think. :dizzy2:
Now, if Seamus is truly Heimdall and Reenk truly Loki... well, let's let Wiki tell us the rest:
Likewise, Heimdall will fight Loki and neither will survive the evenly matched encounter.
If any other result occurs I believe that we will have been misled, and that we should lynch the survivor of the duel. However, I am fairly confident that this will not need to happen.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 04:36
This is starting to sound like a whole lot of noise to me. Discussion is good but really, this is just a little bit too much.
Let's just watch as Reenk is defeated in the Holmgang and lynch Ichigo. Problem solved.
Seconded.
The tone and styleof this argument now makes me think very much of Sasaki v Kagemusha in CN. The solution employed there -- take them both out -- proved effective.
If anything, Reenk's more measured logical style appeals more, but then again he is still Loki and my target. On the bright side Reenk, you've probably done for Ichi as well, even if at one remove.
:shame:
He refuses to answer my questions, but he doesn't get attacked from all sides. This town is really screwed up.
Please someone kill me
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 05:33
Jesus, has the mead made you people blind. Let Seamus and Reenk fight and let's get back to finding mafia. Reenk's accusation in no way incriminates Ichigo. If you still think he's scum use some other method to figure it out, it's still doable, he'll give you plenty to work with. I never thought you guys would be gullible enough to follow Reenk around like this.
Also, lol at Redleg for concurring with GH after disagreeing with me.
Reenk we weren't finished
Also, lol at Redleg for concurring with GH after disagreeing with me.
Thats because GH isn't defending Ichigo.:smash:
I would disagree with you just out of principle.:laugh4:
Warluster
02-12-2007, 06:42
I am confused. There is a LOT of pages of useless repeated agruring. It doesn't have the ring. Right now I believe that the god of chaos(ReenK0 is truly living up to his name. thi is chaos, and it hurts my head. Can we get back to finding jotun (And with sense?)
Sasaki Kojiro
02-12-2007, 07:18
I am confused. There is a LOT of pages of useless repeated agruring. It doesn't have the ring. Right now I believe that the god of chaos(ReenK0 is truly living up to his name. thi is chaos, and it hurts my head. Can we get back to finding jotun (And with sense?)
Who do you think is Jotun?
ByzantineKnight
02-12-2007, 07:22
Am I allowed to post after I'm dead?
Warluster
02-12-2007, 07:25
Who do you think is Jotun?
Well the claims that ichigo is Jotun seems un-true. As Reenk showed us the PM Ichigo sent? if so where is it? because before Reenk posts the PM, I believe that Ichigo is no Jotun, and Reenk is stirring trouble.
Over the last ten pages of useless arguing, I have had no time to see any Jotun suspects. but now (Hopefully) the arguing is over, we can resume our search.
Why do I always end up skipping posts because I know they only repeat what has been said before?
To those who have 5 new pages in front of them: Just learn to select the important posts, if you happen to miss one, someone will point your nose at it in an argument anyway.~;)
So far I agree with Ichigo and Reenk that we should lynch Sasaki.:idea2:
My lynch order:
1. RR - he's fulfilling his role very well and if he survives the holmgang than this should change asap.
2. Ichigo - better to lose an innocent townie than miss a chance to kill a jotun. I don't buy that inconsistencies in his arguement mean he's guilty though - it's more likely that the jotun will have a cohesive arguement ready
3. Redleg - stirring up trouble for no reason, and hasn't been questioned much.
4. Sasaki - not helping at all atm
I'm not ruling out that some of the four mentioned could be working together - they've certainly distracted the town from our real job.
pevergreen
02-12-2007, 10:04
Right three things
1. Why did you vote me Redleg?
2. What question must i answer? If you post it again, it will be answered with all speed
3. Go the Gods!
Am I allowed to post after I'm dead?
Yes you may...
But you can't reveal your role... or hint at it.
Sigurd.
Six challenges:
1. Reenk Roink vs. Seamus
2. Redleg vs. Ichigo
3. Omanes vs. Tom Hagen
4. Ichigo vs. Reenk Roink
5. Seamus vs. Reenk Roink
6. CF vs. Omanes
The results will be narrated with next night's kill description.
Also: Remember to pm me people... (deadline : 21:00 GMT+1/ 3:00 pm Eastern)
Right three things
1. Why did you vote me Redleg?
It was clearly stated in the vote. But once again - the calling of a god to smite me in exchange for you loyality.
2. What question must i answer? If you post it again, it will be answered with all speed
That question was tied in with the above reason.
It was clearly stated in the vote. But once again - the calling of a god to smite me in exchange for you loyality.
That question was tied in with the above reason.
Basically you are asking pevergreen to wade through massive amounts of text and try to find your initial question, which is a huge, time-consuming task...
Redleg, allthough I understand you don't like to repeat yourself, it can be useful to rephrase your question loud and clear.
Your cryptic posting style got you lynched in one of the mini-mafia games while you were just an innocent townie, remember?
Basically you are asking pevergreen to wade through massive amounts of text and try to find your initial question, which is a huge, time-consuming task...
Oh he could put 2 + 2 together also and get 4. Oh and it only took me 3 minutes to link the posts below. So its not a huge time-consuming task. Its really a rather simple task to accomplish
Redleg, allthough I understand you don't like to repeat yourself, it can be useful to rephrase your question loud and clear.
Oh I don't mind repeating myself. The question was asked, given a weak answer then asked again with more detail and ignored by pevergreen
Your cryptic posting style got you lynched in one of the mini-mafia games while you were just an innocent townie, remember?
And in another it worked just fine. So in otherwords that arguement is invalid.
Now since it seems that you want him to answer the question - I will give it to him again from the orginial post.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1422799&postcount=571
His initial response was very weak
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1422805&postcount=573
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1422932&postcount=591
ByzantineKnight
02-12-2007, 15:43
Yes you may...
But you can't reveal your role... or hint at it.
Sigurd.
Thanks
Thank heavens... I thought I would have to look at that damn white database fault page all night.
This is the first time since the last time I posted I have been able to read my pms.
Give me an extra hour to finish the write up... also there are some PMs missing. You got one hour to send them to me.
Sigurd
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 21:13
A couple of things if I may?
1) Ichigo claims that me "asking questions that I already knew the answer to" is suspicious. I claimed that I asked them for clarity and to discern who Ichigo really was. If he has such a big deal with it, why does he not look at his faked PM's?
Since he copied and pasted my PM's and then removed the Jotun bits and haphazardly replaced them with "townie" bits, he left the chronological coherence intact. In Ichigo's fake verison of events, I am "asking questions whose answers I already know" as well.
Why is that? Perhaps that is the way I play the game. I look for certainty. Sloppy work once again Ichigo... :no:
2) I have already pointed out many inconsistencies of a variety of matters concerning Ichigo. No need to beat the dead horse there.
There is a clear reason, Ichigo, why people are apt to believe me. You are commiting suicide with your wishy-washy answers. It is hard to remain coherent when one is lying...
3) Ichigo has not taken me up on my offer of a suicide pact. As I have said, I win the game even if I am dead as long as the town prevails. I have nothing to lose by dying. Ichigo on the other hand fears death as he is a Jotun. The Jotun must stay alive to accomplish their goals...
4) Some of you are placing too much emphasis on the accurate representation of Norse stories. This is a game based on the stories. It does not seek to recreate the stories exactly. When Heimdall and Loki duel in this game, it will go to the Holmgang ratings. My 9 chances versus his 7. I have the advantage, but Seamus Fermanagh can very well win. Related to this is my "God of Chaos" thing. I was assigned to create chaos and I did. I was also assigned to pick an alignment and I did. Now I will work to help the town as that is my alignment. I win if the town wins (regardless of my status alive or dead) and I want to win.
Enjoy the fight. :bow:
THOR SAVE ME FROM MY DEATH!!!!! PROTECT ME FROM THE VILE BEINGS OF THIS EARTH AND I SHALL SERVE YOU FOREVER MORE!!!!
RR you never answered my question. ~;)
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 21:19
RR you never answered my question. ~;)
Your just trolling now dude... I answered you 4 times. :rolleyes:
Why do you wonder that nobody (sans suspicious Sasaki Kojiro) believes you?
"Ichigo claims that me "asking questions that I already knew the answer to" is suspicious. I claimed that I asked them for clarity and to discern who Ichigo really was. If he has such a big deal with it, why does he not look at his faked PM's?
Since he copied and pasted my PM's and then removed the Jotun bits and haphazardly replaced them with "townie" bits, he left the chronological coherence intact. In Ichigo's fake verison of events, I am "asking questions whose answers I already know" as well.
Why is that? Perhaps that is the way I play the game. I look for certainty. Sloppy work once again Ichigo..."
Your just trolling now dude... I answered you 4 times. :rolleyes:
Why do you wonder that nobody (sans suspicious Sasaki Kojiro) believes you?
"Ichigo claims that me "asking questions that I already knew the answer to" is suspicious. I claimed that I asked them for clarity and to discern who Ichigo really was. If he has such a big deal with it, why does he not look at his faked PM's?
Since he copied and pasted my PM's and then removed the Jotun bits and haphazardly replaced them with "townie" bits, he left the chronological coherence intact. In Ichigo's fake verison of events, I am "asking questions whose answers I already know" as well.
Why is that? Perhaps that is the way I play the game. I look for certainty. Sloppy work once again Ichigo..."
Not that question the other one asked on the last page. When did I PM exchange occur. Go look at the PM's when did they start mine are at 19:45 GMT-6.
Yeah yeah Reenk just keep on repeating the same tired excuses over and over until you confuse so many people that they believe your lies.
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/RuneStone5_3.jpg
Round 4
The people of the three Kingdoms were quite pleased with themselves for finding the Jotun that had troubled them for so long and that they had been able to kill him so easily. There was much laughter amongst them as they dispersed and went back to their camps.
They passed a little boy who looked intently at a hird man. They wondered a little but thought naught of it. It was not until the boy spoke that he got their attention. This was not the voice of a boy, and not of man either. “I have been looking for you”. This was a powerful but an alien voice, and nearly a little scary. The serf man turned and gave his best smile. “Who is this I hear, a boy with an Æsir voice?”
The boy transformed and before the astonished people a tall and powerful man with long blond hair appeared. His eyes were in a blue complexion but had a hue of light that gave this Nordic face an alien look. The serf man continued: “What do you want with me, a humble serf man doing his duty to my liege; the Jarl of Stord.” The Æsir replied: “Hold your forked tongue, spawn of Jotun. This will be your day of reckoning.” The serf man backed a little away. “You obviously have the wrong man, because I do not have a slightest idea of what you speak.” The Æsir followed in close step. “You have deceived these humans long enough with you lies and tales. No more!! Today you die!”
Panic could clearly be seen in the serf man’s eyes. “I tell you noble Æsir, I have not an idea of what you accuse me of, but I assure you that I am not the one you are looking for.”
The bystanders all felt for the poor guy as a fight between them would be an uneven match. The serf man begged for his life when the Æsir drew his big sword. A couple of the bystanders shouted “Not a fair fight” to the Æsir as he closed in on the serf man who now sat on his knees and begged for his life. The big Æsir lifted his sword and with an inhuman speed slashed downwards to cleave the serf man in half. The sword hit the ground where the serf man moments before had cowered. It made a deep furrow in the ground. The serf man stood a couple of meters to one side and laughed. “I see you are as slow as ever Heimdall.” The serf man transformed and became a large man with long raven black hair, dark mischievous eyes and a crooked smile. Without speaking another word Heimdall hurled himself at the now revealed Loki with his sword in front of him as a spear. The spectators had never seen anyone move that quickly but Loki seemed to dodge this attack easily. “You have to do better than that Heimdall, You will not be able to beat me using those snail tactics.” Loki pulled a large sword out of the air and took a battle stand. “You will lose Heimdall, I am better than you at this. Heck, I fought Jotun when you were still sucking breast.”
“Silence!!” Heimdall was obviously agitated, but Loki continued his taunt: “I don’t know how you will be able to pull this of; your shoe lace is untied by the way.” Heimdall put some power behind the next slash but Loki parried. The sound of Æsir steel against steel was deafening and could be heard all the way to Utgard. The Jotun there knew the sound of Æsir steel and wondered which Gods had a go at each other this time. People started to hide where they could because this was a fight between titans and their mere presence could kill any of them. One of those blows of steel against steel could silence the heart of bystanders.
Heimdall was still attacking and Loki easily parried. The moves and parries were just a blur to those who dared watch.
The fight raged back and forth with the two Gods destroying much of the nature around. Large furrows in the ground and in the rock side after sword slashes missing their target marred the area. Trees cut in half and rocks crushed littered the area.
Suddenly Loki got in a slash that would have cut a tree down. Heimdall staggered but recovered instantly. His rage was now pure fury and his attack if possible more ferocious. The fight raged on and Heidall got past Loki’s guard and stabbed him in the shoulder. The Norse God of Tricks and mischief roared in pain. His eyes turned red with rage and he attacked Heimdall with new vigour. People turned away as they believed that the world would tear apart. The ground moved and the sounds were overbearing.
Suddenly there was calm over the area.
People looked up from behind hiding places and saw the God of tricks and mischief lying dead, pierced through the heart by Heimdall’s sword. Heimdall was standing over him and staggered. He had serious wounds all over his body. A mortal man would have died with those wounds. He asked some of the stronger men to help him to a tent where he could rest. The weight of him was nearly too much for the four powerful men that supported him to a tent. He lay down closed his eyes and slept like a babe.
The retinues went back to their tents and stayed there the reminder of the night. They never saw the shadow picking up the body of Loki and carried it home to Asgard.
Heimdall was not sleeping well, the wounds were too painful. Maybe that saved his life as a shadow appeared in his tent. A golden set with eyes lit the dark and a fanged smile appeared. “So, here lies the victor of today’s fight. Those sword blows were heard all the way to Utgard. Now it is your turn to return to Asgard foe.” The Jotun with a dagger in hand tried to stab Heimdall trough the heart. But Heimdall still had some power left and kicked the Jotun in the groin. The Jotun went down and Heimdall jumped on top of the Jotun closing his hands around its neck.
The Jotun was quite strong and brushed Heimdall aside. Some of the men that had helped Heimdall to the tent had heard the commotion and was running to his aid. The Jotun smiled at Heimdall. “Until next time Æsir.” and disappeared into the night.
Redleg was having trouble sleeping as well. He was not so certain that they had in fact killed a Jotun earlier and that battle between Gods in their midst had him thinking that this was not just about a single Jotun on a killing spree. There must be some bigger picture here.
As if the Jotun were able to read his mind it answered from the dark corner in his tent. “If you only knew what this is all about you would really worry.” Before Redleg could answer, a dagger flew from the dark and pierced his throat. As the life blood ran from the wound, a woman’s voice could be heard: “Welcome highness, you have been expected.”
Tally:
Murdered (5):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Killed in Holmgang (3):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Executed (1):
Discovery1
Still Alive (23):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster
Get voting people
That's Reenk down
now as I announced I will vote Omanes, as imo he sounds Jotunish, and even if he isn't he doesn't make any sense to me
Vote: Omanes the Idiot
Im ashamed.
I voted a person who is not here.
Vote:Hughtower
Why always is he making a lurker list, he always want to kill kill and kill a lurker?
Talk, and I can pardon you.
I sent Hughtower to Valhalla - where we are drinking mead and talking of past battles.
Vote:Hughtower
Why always is he making a lurker list, he always want to kill kill and kill a lurker?
Talk, and I can pardon you.
He's dead CF.
Vote:Lord Motep of Kendermore
Being a lurker.He was very active in past games.Strange
Don Corleone
02-12-2007, 23:03
Omanes. As long as he lives, Omanes. He is Jotun, I can feel it in my bones.
How can we trust in you?How we know you are trying to lynch a inoccent?
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 23:09
Gah, Heimdall the underdog won! :no: :shame:
Kill the Jotun Ichigo now. Some of you misguided townies got what you wanted... :shame:
How can we trust in you?How we know you are trying to lynch a inoccent?
Well at the beginning of the game he was very suspicious and seemed very guilty, but then RR sideswiped everything with his reveal as Loki. So that's where my vote goes.
Vote: Omanes
Though if the town choose's to kill me then fine. But I will fight til my last breath. :bow:
Gah, Heimdall the underdog won!
Kill the Jotun Ichigo now. Some of you misguided townies got what you wanted...
Answer my question then I will bow out peacefully. Also you lied about your Holmgang stat. ~:D
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 23:17
Well at the beginning of the game he was very suspicious and seemed very guilty, but then RR sideswiped everything with his reveal as Loki. So that's where my vote goes.
Vote: Omanes
Though if the town choose's to kill me then fine. But I will fight til my last breath. :bow:
Answer my question then I will bow out peacefully. Also you lied about your Holmgang stat. ~:D
How do you know he lied about it? If the fight were conducted at 9-7 odds, I was merely an underdog, not a loss waiting to happen.
Mind you, he may have lied -- I'd have considered it in his place -- but you seem unusually certain.
Reenk is correct that you alternate between these statements of certainty and then more tentative corrections. This is a deviation from your norm, even if your posting frequency and phrasing has been pretty consistent.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 23:19
Could somebody lay out the case against Omanes in more detail?
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 23:29
Ichigo, you’re not going to escape this round. How many lies have you already been caught in? You and your buddies go for Seamus and Redleg, how predictable... :rolleyes:
Now, the first PM you sent me was at 18:37 GMT - 5 (you are lying by 2 hours).
I had revealed as a God the day before, and had reiterated it at 18:23 GMT - 5.
At 19:18 GMT - 5, after reading your PM's, I made a mention about you. This was after your insulting PM.
Only at 19:32 however, did I make clear that I could side with town or Jotun. This was 35 minutes after I had stopped talking with you.
Obviously you are a little liar with so much to hide.
One more inconsistency Ichigo. I've answered all your questions, you haven't answered mine.
Lastly, why would I have any reason to lie about my Holmgang stat? I gave it away in Chat when I thought I was going to be lynched? I also correctly nailed Seamus's stat, like I had previously nailed Jarl, War Veteran, and Thrall.
If you read the fight story, I was kicking Seamus around until the end... :rolleyes:
If he's not lynched by this round, make sure to kill him Seamus. You are the only known pro-town. Trust Seamus town. Any protective role, protect Seamus.
Good duel pal. :bow:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-12-2007, 23:31
If he's not lynched by this round, make sure to kill him Seamus. You are the only known pro-town. Trust Seamus town. Any protective role, protect Seamus.
Good duel pal. :bow:
You gotta like it when you tear up the landscape using only a sword! Fun stuff!
Crazed Rabbit
02-12-2007, 23:36
Vote: Ichigo
Reenk appears to be going pro-town, and considering he wasn't lying about being Loki, I am more apt to trust him, especially considering I haven't seen any real case for Omanes.
CR
GeneralHankerchief
02-12-2007, 23:38
I'll vote for Ichigo just to shut Loki up. :tongue:
Vote: Ichigo
His case has had problems from my point of view, it just took me a bit to remember it.
That's Reenk down
now as I announced I will vote Omanes, as imo he sounds Jotunish, and even if he isn't he doesn't make any sense to me
Vote: Omanes the Idiot
Omanes. As long as he lives, Omanes. He is Jotun, I can feel it in my bones.
Hmmm...
Meatballing: Voting for someone for no reason. Coined by Silver Rusher when Lemur (a mafioso) voted for him in Game II on the basis that he saw SR “eating a spicy meat-a-ball.”
:inquisitive:
Well guys, can you give us some better arguments for voting Omanes, since the reasons specified by you fall under the definition of "meatballing" imho.
Ichigo, I confirmed you were in the chat when Loki posted your pm's. Afterwards, I made by myself this reflection: maybe you used invisible mode, so nobody can investigate your claim that you weren't on the forum at that time (well except for Sasaki, but I think he wasn't there at the time, I think you all noticed he doesn't use invisible mode anymore)...
Therefore: Vote : Ichigo
I don't believe you anymore. I am 100 % convinced you are Jotun.
My list of other suspects:
Stig and Tom_Hagen for meatballing.
Lord Motep who still hasn't give me a good reason why he voted Orb.
Ichigo, you’re not going to escape this round. How many lies have you already been caught in? You and your buddies go for Seamus and Redleg, how predictable... :rolleyes:
Now, the first PM you sent me was at 18:37 GMT - 5 (you are lying by 2 hours).
I had revealed as a God the day before, and had reiterated it at 18:23 GMT - 5.
At 19:18 GMT - 5, after reading your PM's, I made a mention about you. This was after your insulting PM.
Only at 19:32 however, did I make clear that I could side with town or Jotun. This was 35 minutes after I had stopped talking with you.
Obviously you are a little liar with so much to hide.
One more inconsistency Ichigo. I've answered all your questions, you haven't answered mine.
Lastly, why would I have any reason to lie about my Holmgang stat? I gave it away in Chat when I thought I was going to be lynched? I also correctly nailed Seamus's stat, like I had previously nailed Jarl, War Veteran, and Thrall.
If you read the fight story, I was kicking Seamus around until the end... :rolleyes:
If he's not lynched by this round, make sure to kill him Seamus. You are the only known pro-town. Trust Seamus town. Any protective role, protect Seamus.
Good duel pal. :bow:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1421533&postcount=434 :bow:
Stig and Tom_Hagen for meatballing.
I did have a reason, I posted it last night m8 (btw I believe you always vote for someone because he sounds suspicious, that's why I don't vote for you, yo don't sound suspicious)
besides Tom is innocent, he was attacked
Reenk Roink
02-12-2007, 23:46
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1421533&postcount=434 :bow:
At 19:18 GMT - 5, after reading your PM's, I made a mention about you. This was after your insulting PM.
:rolleyes:
It's over Jotun scum! :laugh4:
Too bad you can't win once dead... :tongue2:
Tom is innocent, he was attacked
Yup, and he survived. According to the role pm's of the Gods, they survive a first attack (or as long as they don't chose sides, they cannot get killed, check it, it's somewhere in the thread, I'm too lazy to search :grin:).
So Tom_Hagen might be a God.
IIRC, Loki had a choice: town or Jotun. If Tom is a God, it is possible he had/has the same choice.
If he was planning to play along with the Jotun, he might as well have asked them to attack him to draw away all suspicion. Afterwards he joins the Jotun. Nobody wants to lynch him anymore, since he got attacked and thus he is innocent. But it might have been a cunning master plan.
I would have done it in his place :grin:
So, Tom_Hagen, unless you have substantial prove against this possible scenario, you remain on my suspects list.
But for now, I go for Ichigo.
HughTower
02-13-2007, 00:31
Kralizec/Fenring's quiet too. Where you hiding?
Was Redleg murdered to frame Ichigo, do we think? Strange, that the Jotun went for two very obvious candidates, don't you think?
I'll stop asking questions now.....or will I?
:rolleyes:
It's over Jotun scum! :laugh4:
Too bad you can't win once dead... :tongue2:
:bow:
Unvote:Omanes
Vote:Ichigo
Your excellent lieing abilities have won this round. May the bandwagon roll on. My only regret is that I will have to watch from Valhalla to see as Thor smites the Jotun.
Hmmm...
:inquisitive:
Well guys, can you give us some better arguments for voting Omanes, since the reasons specified by you fall under the definition of "meatballing" imho.
Ichigo, I confirmed you were in the chat when Loki posted your pm's. Afterwards, I made by myself this reflection: maybe you used invisible mode, so nobody can investigate your claim that you weren't on the forum at that time (well except for Sasaki, but I think he wasn't there at the time, I think you all noticed he doesn't use invisible mode anymore)...
Therefore: Vote : Ichigo
I don't believe you anymore. I am 100 % convinced you are Jotun.
My list of other suspects:
Stig and Tom_Hagen for meatballing.
Lord Motep who still hasn't give me a good reason why he voted Orb.
Yes, of course Andres I went invisible for 5 minutes ingenious of me don't you think?:wall:
Vote: Ichigo
Reenk appears to be going pro-town, and considering he wasn't lying about being Loki, I am more apt to trust him, especially considering I haven't seen any real case for Omanes.
CR
Looks can be decieving.
I'll vote for Ichigo just to shut Loki up.
Vote: Ichigo
His case has had problems from my point of view, it just took me a bit to remember it.
Your usually more logical than that GH. What's going on?
If another WarVeteran came out I would be proved innocent
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 01:09
Vote: Ichigo for voting himself.
Scum tactic. :yes:
Ichigo, you’re not going to escape this round. How many lies have you already been caught in? You and your buddies go for Seamus and Redleg, how predictable... :rolleyes:
Now, the first PM you sent me was at 18:37 GMT - 5 (you are lying by 2 hours).
I had revealed as a God the day before, and had reiterated it at 18:23 GMT - 5.
At 19:18 GMT - 5, after reading your PM's, I made a mention about you. This was after your insulting PM.
Only at 19:32 however, did I make clear that I could side with town or Jotun. This was 35 minutes after I had stopped talking with you.
Obviously you are a little liar with so much to hide.
One more inconsistency Ichigo. I've answered all your questions, you haven't answered mine.
Lastly, why would I have any reason to lie about my Holmgang stat? I gave it away in Chat when I thought I was going to be lynched? I also correctly nailed Seamus's stat, like I had previously nailed Jarl, War Veteran, and Thrall.
If you read the fight story, I was kicking Seamus around until the end... :rolleyes:
If he's not lynched by this round, make sure to kill him Seamus. You are the only known pro-town. Trust Seamus town. Any protective role, protect Seamus.
Good duel pal. :bow:
Well I set my GMT to -5 Reenk and I got an hour higher than what you have up there.
GeneralHankerchief
02-13-2007, 01:55
You're Texas, right? That should be GMT-6.
:inquisitive:
You're Texas, right? That should be GMT-6.
:inquisitive:
Yes. It seems somethings messed up I have -5 set in my User CP, but -4 shows up by the time weird.:dizzy2:
It's really funny because it's impossible for me to PM anyone the day and time Reenk claims I PMed him. hehehe
Crazed Rabbit
02-13-2007, 02:31
If another WarVeteran came out I would be proved innocent
Eh, how's that?
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 04:42
Vote:AndresTheCunning
For a bandwagon vote. Distressing how people are willing to vote without carefully examining the evidence. You are usually sharper than that.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 04:51
OK, we're going to do things on my terms if I join you.
Why have you been "looking for me"?
Why did you contact me?
How do you know I'm Æsir?
Answer my questions.
Sorry Reenk, we call the shots here. You are already close to getting lynched.
Now he has pushed it over the top. Pretty telling how Ichigo has been after me for quite awhile now...
Next round Ichigo, it is you who is going down.
Never piss off Loki...
This part of the exchange doesn't ring true. To believe Reenk we must believe that:
1) Ichigo fabricated the pm with axeman 100% accuracy (did anyone send their role pm to Ichigo?)
2) Ichigo trusted Reenk enough to give him pm evidence of his guilt
3) Ichigo then refused to answer a couple simple questions, even though he wanted Reenk to work for him and Reenk could argue convincingly for Ichigo's lynch
4) This "angered" Reenk enough to post the whole exchange
5) That the god of chaos isn't trying to spread chaos, he's just acting like a townie
CountArach
02-13-2007, 04:51
Vote: Ichigo. Sounds like he wants to go, so why not?
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 04:53
2)Ichigo trusted Reenk enough to give him pm evidence of his guilt
Didnt GH send that PM to Ichigo?
I remember him saying that
GeneralHankerchief
02-13-2007, 04:56
Didnt GH send that PM to Ichigo?
Ichigo sent the "The Axe" PM to me.
I sent him my own townie PM. I'll let you guys know if it pops up in the thread.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 04:56
2)Ichigo trusted Reenk enough to give him pm evidence of his guilt
Didnt GH send that PM to Ichigo?
I remember him saying that
Ichigo knew the pm day 1, and GH said after that that he hadn't been pm'ng.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 05:05
Look it's quite simple. For Ichigo to have acquired the pm, someone must have sent it to him. If no one steps up and says they sent it to him, Reenk is lying. This isn't rocket science. It's very interesting to see who jumped on the Ichigo wagon though.
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 05:08
Unvote;Vote: Sasaki
Too much logic, scum tactic in some games.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-13-2007, 05:16
Andres:
Why do you assume Hagen's survival to be proof of divinity?
My survival looked to me as though I got some help.
Hagen's appeared more supernatural -- but I am not at all certain of Reenk's claim of nightime immortality.
I could detect nothing esle that supports this.
What is the source of your info -- did I miss a post?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 05:18
Unvote;Vote: Sasaki
Too much logic, scum tactic in some games.
Err, can you argue with the logic?
CountArach
02-13-2007, 05:25
Unvote;Vote: Sasaki
Too much logic, scum tactic in some games.
I think that this is a bit of an idiotic reason to vote someone. Honestly, not a good reason at all. It makes no sense to vote for someone when they are simply using logic...
Unvote, Vote: Pevergreen
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 05:28
Logic..Bah on logic!
Im getting lynched left right and centre in mafia ATM. Quite funny. Lynched by wagon in 3 sons. Bah!
As i said in Mafia whatever the current one is, you are a dangerous townie, and a extremely dangerous mafia.
best to get rid of you for the town :yes:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 05:31
What makes you think I'm a dangerous townie? Unless that was a confession...?
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 05:33
Confession of...? Bah I'm not Jotun!
I have someone that can confirm as well, but are they dead
*looks at thread, will edit post with yes/no*
Bah, he's been killed. And whoever killed him is dead..
Good.
Unvote:Ichigo
Vote:Pevergreen
Eh, how's that?
CR
Like Sasaki said it's impossible for me to have my role PM unless someone gave it too me. Now who would give me their PM?
KukriKhan
02-13-2007, 07:17
**ANNOUNCEMENT**
I've returned from the wilds of New Mexico, where nary a computer nor internet (nor piped water, for that matter) is found.
Thank you all for the condolences. :bow:
I'll resume reading from post #456, and catch up in about 12 hours. Redleg: many thanks for being my proxy. I will resume control now.
I missed you guys. :)
**ANNOUNCEMENT**
I've returned from the wilds of New Mexico, where nary a computer nor internet (nor piped water, for that matter) is found.
Thank you all for the condolences. :bow:
I'll resume reading from post #456, and catch up in about 12 hours. Redleg: many thanks for being my proxy. I will resume control now.
I missed you guys. :)
I should of had you go by my father's place out near Belen. He at least has some running water. Out of game: What part of NM did you go to?
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 07:26
Unvote:Ichigo
Vote:Pevergreen
Why?
This is the second game you have switched your vote to me for no reason.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-13-2007, 07:47
Vote: Ichigo
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 07:55
Again with the no reason votes.
Explain why.
Again with the no reason votes.
Explain why.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1425915&postcount=863
:bow:
Vote: Ichigo
wtf?
Vote: Pevergreen
For having the worst reasons ever, scum tactic ~D
ie. convince me you're no Jotun, or you're Jotun
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 08:01
You want claim from me?
You want claim from me?
ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME!
Sorry I couldn't resist. :shame:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 08:10
unvote /thinking andres is innocent
must think
pevergreen may not be a bad lynch after all. Vote:pevergreen
Certainly better than ichigo.
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 08:15
:laugh4: As a result of me deleting my inbox, I now have no role PM! :laugh4:
I doubt sigurd would give me another one. So I'll claim as best I can without one.
I am a Human Lord. Hughtower was my champion.
My Duel score is 8
I am a battle trained lord as well.
Bah on me deleting my PM's.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 08:18
hmm, unvote,Vote:Omanes then.
CountArach
02-13-2007, 08:24
Unvote, Vote: Omanes for bandwagonning without a reason.
:laugh4: As a result of me deleting my inbox, I now have no role PM! :laugh4:
I doubt sigurd would give me another one. So I'll claim as best I can without one.
I am a Human Lord. Hughtower was my champion.
My Duel score is 8
I am a battle trained lord as well.
Bah on me deleting my PM's.
So your saying that you have a Duel score higher than a Gods?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1423770&postcount=661
And why did you say that anyway?
The Jotun’s main object is to kill the 6 lords + any pro town roles.
ie. if you are a lord you're dead, so why would you give your role away
And 8 in the Holmgang is too high as Ichigo said
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 08:28
I could be off. But I know in my Duel score equation there is a seven and a one.
So it could be:
Rating: 6(there was some fluff about me being in past wars, good at fighting etc) + 1(King)=7
Or
Rating: 7 + 1 (King) = 8
I revealed because i would be lynched otherwise, this makes a possible jotun lynch, and a jotun night kill worthless.
Warluster
02-13-2007, 08:30
pevergreen, if you are an Human lord ( As you put it) prove it, it is still possible that you may be an Jotun trying to trick the town. You might be an Jotun PRETENDING to be an Human lord, so everyone will take there attention off you. As I said before, prove it.
Vote:Abstain
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 08:33
He can prove it in the holmgang. If it's true we need him alive. He may also be proven by attempted murder on him. So, let's lynch omanes as an alternative to Ichigo.
I could be off. But I know in my Duel score equation there is a seven and a one.
So it could be:
Rating: 6(there was some fluff about me being in past wars, good at fighting etc) + 1(King)=7
Or
Rating: 7 + 1 (King) = 8
I revealed because i would be lynched otherwise, this makes a possible jotun lynch, and a jotun night kill worthless.
I would believe a 5 or even a 6, but I won't believe that you have a 7 or an 8. You are in no way even close to the battle tested God's scores. Impossible you are lieing and very convient how you deleted your PM.:no: I'm a WarVeteran and I don't have a +1 with my PM just my Holmgang ability.
Vote: Ichigo
Isn't it great how Sasaki and Ichigo have turned this conversation around to focus on pever and omanes?
Lynch them after we've dealt with the clear threat.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 08:36
hmm interesting. If another lord can convincingly prove pever is lying it would be worthwhile to claim I think.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 08:37
Vote: Ichigo
Isn't it great how Sasaki and Ichigo have turned this conversation around to focus on pever and omanes?
Lynch them after we've dealt with the clear threat.
Haha, you're still one of my suspects. Do you honestly buy Reenks argument against Ichigo even after the points I laid out? And what makes me suspicious.
Warluster
02-13-2007, 08:37
Well why don't you challenge Omanes pevergreen, and prove to us your Holmgang score is high. As Omanes is going to be lynched anyway, so why don't you verus him in Holmgang?
Sasaki, two points
1) You are on my suspect list
2) It's better to be safe than sorry
Vote: Ichigo
Isn't it great how Sasaki and Ichigo have turned this conversation around to focus on pever and omanes?
Lynch them after we've dealt with the clear threat.
If RR was truely on the towns side then where is his small, but significant way of helping the town? There's so many flaws in his PM if you all would just go back and read it.:thumbsdown:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 08:39
Sasaki, two points
1) You are on my suspect list
2) It's better to be safe than sorry
1) Why?
2) What?
Warluster
02-13-2007, 08:41
Well Reenk obviously was Loki because he turned into an raven didn't he? And transformed?
And what of your answer pevergreen?
1) Why?
2) What?
1) Because you're defending Ichigo, where you normally (ie earlier in the game) did not have your views set in stone
2) Lynch him and we'll find out if we're wrong afterwards. Better than leaving a jotun running about
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 09:09
Well if another lord would reveal himself, i know i have a +1 for being a lord/king.
But I am happy to challange Omanes to a duel, but i cant atm can i?
EDIT: Requesting a resend of Role PM
To prove who i am (i know no screenies allowed, but i can quote if he resends)
Well if another lord would reveal himself, i know i have a +1 for being a lord/king.
But I am happy to challange Omanes to a duel, but i cant atm can i?
EDIT: Requesting a resend of Role PM
To prove who i am (i know no screenies allowed, but i can quote if he resends)
Sorry M8, I have not kept the specific PMs.
You are on your own :2thumbsup: .
I am convinced by the evidence provided by Loki. I say we lynch Ichigo. If he isn't Jotun, I suggest all players put Loki on their ignore list for the rest of the game. If Ichigo is Jotun, Sasaki becomes very suspicious. Voting me for "bandwagoning" while I gave my reasons + there are some elements against Ichigo is ridiculous and not Sasaki-style, unless he's not playing pro-town in this game that is. The Ichigo-case isn't clear, there's still alot of doubt. Both Reenk and Ichigo are capable of convincingly fabricating PM's. Doubt = there is real chance he is Jotun + I still think Ichigo is suspicious since he ridiculised my argument about the invisible mode instead of trying to give substantial prove of my mistake.
As for Omanes: he lurks, he pops up to vote for whoever is in the lead, he disappears.
Highly suspicious if you ask me. Pevergreen, challenge Omanes please. We will get rid of one extra suspect.
@Seamus: I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Gods cannot be killed on night one (maybe it was only in Reenk's role pm, not in yours). Tom_Hagen is to be examined. I can be wrong, but I think that only a God can survive a murder attempt by a Jotun. If Tom_Hagen is a God and if that is the reason he survived an attack, it can be a nice plan to deceive the town. But this is just speculating and I will let this rest for now (but I won't forget it Tom).
Oh, and I still have Stig and Motep to watch. Motep is very quite in game, he won his duel against Orb and he didn't post since than... 1) he seems a strong character (write-up of the Holmgang) 2) he did never explain why he voted Orb 3) he lurks a lot...
Agreed, andres, on the main points
I also had a suspicion that hagen was a god, but when seamus revealed i presumed that that'd be it
What are soem other high-profile norse gods?
Current Tally:
No votes: 11
Abstains : 1
Ichigo : 5
Omanes: 2
pevergreen: 2
Lord Motep : 1
Sasaki : 1
What about Ichigo's posts in big and bolded red letters invoking Thor? Did the Jotun sign a pact with Thor. Is he asking for divine intervention during the Holmgang?
Heyhey, so here I was convinced of voting Ichigo when pevergreen presents us a Holmgang score that seems a bit too high to be true.
Then again, he does make sense in a way and lynching a possible lord seems stupid as it would help the Jotun even more than lynching a possible townie.
I don't know where Ichigo got a "genuine" townie PM from but I also know that there are two other possibilities which are:
1. neither GH nor Reenk really knew how a real townie PM looks and thus couldn't really judge it(or GH didn't want to because he is scum as well)edit: after further thought, this doesn't really make sense but I'll let it stand here.
2. I wouldn't put it past Sigurd to supply Jotun with a townie PM to balance the game a bit. Don't believe him if he claims otherwise.:sweatdrop:
pever's holmgang score seems reasonable if you choose the lowest of his options.
Deleting the pm i regard as suspicious though
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 11:59
I had a full box...and now that its gone and Sigurd doesnt have them...ah well.
Try to convince you on my own.
I was here to sort out something between two groups.
I know i was a war veteran, and good at fighting, i presumed scores were out of ten, so i thought mine was pretty high.
I know it had a plus 1 in the equation though. If another lord/king reveals at some time, they can confirm, whether im dead or not.
if this is the right time Challange: Omanes
i didnt do it last time as i thought it was the wrong perioid :sweatdrop:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-13-2007, 13:02
Human Lord
Sulke King of Rogaland
You are the ruler of Rogaland where this session of Gulating is held. You are a War veteran and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.
You are in a blood feud with the neighbour kingdom of Hordaland. It is this feud that will be tried solved in this session of the Ting.
Your survival is important for the town. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.
You don’t have any special abilities other than having a champion that might take your place at a Holmgang. If you are challenged to a Holmgang PM me if you want your champion to take your place. Your champion is: *******
Holmgang ability: *+* = *
Now do you trust me?
When you turn up dead tonight, yes
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-13-2007, 13:31
When you turn up dead tonight, yes
Ah yes, now that is the problem. If you say one thing then the Jotun will get you, and if you say another then the town will get you. I would rather be murdered by some evil rampaging giant and go to Valhalla than be killed by a town and go to Hel so....
if this is the right time Challange: Omanes
i didnt do it last time as i thought it was the wrong perioid :sweatdrop:
I am sorry to say that this is not the right time for challenges.
The cycle of this game is:
Kill
Vote
Challenge
This is voting time and will be until 21:00 GMT+1/3:00pm Eastern/07:00am Brisbane...
hmm... I see an unfair advantage for the European and the American players here.
How many of you Australians actually get up at 0700 to read the results of this game?
Sigurd
Dutch_guy
02-13-2007, 13:47
:book:
Now do you trust me?
It looks real, so I for one believe you.
Now, excuse me while I read up on the rest of the thread...
:balloon2:
HughTower
02-13-2007, 14:50
I went to Valhalla. I can be trusted.
pevergreen is my King. He is not Jotun.
Husar's comment about Sigurd possibly sending out townie PM's to the Jotun - is there any precedent for this in any other game?
Otherwise, it seems a strange (e.g. suspicious) defence of Ichigo.
Dutch_guy
02-13-2007, 14:57
Husar's comment about Sigurd possibly sending out townie PM's to the Jotun - is there any precedent for this in any other game?
As far as I know there isn't. The only thing that comes close to the above mentioned is when there was a mole in the ranks of the masons and the mafia, who knew what they were but were unknown to their allies in the other camp. I can't quite recall the name of that particular game, although I do remember it was hosted by Sasaki..
:balloon2:
HughTower
02-13-2007, 15:04
As far as I know there isn't. The only thing that comes close to the above mentioned is when there was a mole in the ranks of the masons and the mafia, who knew what they were but were unknown to their allies in the other camp. I can't quite recall the name of that particular game, although I do remember it was hosted by Sasaki..
:balloon2:
SO, Husar, why would you not be surprised if Sigurd had done that?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-13-2007, 15:04
It does look real, but without the Holmgang value, it isn't as useful as a counter-check to pevergreen's claim.
Obviously, not naming the champion was simply good sense.
Voting records suggest that Sasaki and Ichigo are not operating as a jotun team. Sasaki voted for Ichigo in round two, during a round when a shift of one vote would have killed Ichigo and when voting was so confused that he could easily have moved away to protect Ichigo by reducing vote count without drawing suspicion.
This doesn't clear either as an individual, but strongly suggests that they are not operating as 2/3 of a jotun team.
The Valhalla quotient just snapped into place for me. Notation at death that they arise to Valhalla indicates their status as being some form of warrior and not Jotun (or possibly a thrall who actually beats the odds and wins a holmgang proving he has the heart of a warrior).
Those who do not arise to Valhalla are either God [no need], Jotun or thrall [no warrior prowess].
Other "gods" possibly present:
Thor [anti-jotun], Odin [king of gods, probably neutral], Balder, Frey, Hodr,
Vanir = Aegir [mostly anti-jotun, not a friend of Thor], Vidar. A number of other less storied are there as well.
Famous Jotun:
Surt, Thiassi, Thokk, Thyrm [special opponent of Thor], Skrymir, Hrungnir [special opponent of Thor], Hugi, Angbroda
Heimdall v. Loki was only one of the famous rivalries of the Norse gods.
From this, I hypothesize the existence of at least one more god among us -- possibly with an opposing god or special role jotun (started unknown to other jotun as well).
My vote, at least for now is [B]Vote: pevergreen
I mislike the quality of his reveal. Omanes is suspect, but the PM is important and the lack thereof somewhat surprising -- particularly in light of your experience in Capo, pev'.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 15:19
Jesus, this is going badly. Unvote,Vote:sapi
/doesn't beleive people are still voting Ichigo. :thumbsdown:
@Sasaki: This is my reason:
I am convinced by the evidence provided by Loki. I say we lynch Ichigo. If he isn't Jotun, I suggest all players put Loki on their ignore list for the rest of the game. If Ichigo is Jotun, Sasaki becomes very suspicious. Voting me for "bandwagoning" while I gave my reasons + there are some elements against Ichigo is ridiculous and not Sasaki-style, unless he's not playing pro-town in this game that is. The Ichigo-case isn't clear, there's still alot of doubt. Both Reenk and Ichigo are capable of convincingly fabricating PM's. Doubt = there is real chance he is Jotun + I still think Ichigo is suspicious since he ridiculised my argument about the invisible mode instead of trying to give substantial prove of my mistake.
:bow:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 15:27
He can't have fabricated the role pm. There is a real chance that everyone is a Jotun. So all we get from Reenks accusation is that Reenk is lying and wants Ichigo lynched. I think if you examine the case there is not much to doubt:
1) Ichigo fabricated the pm with axeman 100% accuracy
2) Ichigo trusted Reenk enough to give him pm evidence of his guilt
3) Ichigo then refused to answer a couple simple questions, even though he wanted Reenk to work for him and Reenk could argue convincingly for Ichigo's lynch
4) This "angered" Reenk enough to post the whole exchange
5) That the god of chaos isn't trying to spread chaos, he's just acting like a townie
Proletariat
02-13-2007, 15:33
Wow, hard to keep up with. I'm catching up here, will get my vote in soon.
1) Ichigo fabricated the pm with axeman 100% accuracy
2) Ichigo trusted Reenk enough to give him pm evidence of his guilt
3) Ichigo then refused to answer a couple simple questions, even though he wanted Reenk to work for him and Reenk could argue convincingly for Ichigo's lynch
4) This "angered" Reenk enough to post the whole exchange
5) That the god of chaos isn't trying to spread chaos, he's just acting like a townie
1) a) How can you know for 100 % that it was 100 % accurate? b) He might have gotten it from somebody else who is death know and cannot post it in here to prove it came from him. Maybe Ichigo managed to get someones role pm and killed him immediately afterwards. Or maybe he got it from a lurker.
2) Well, maybe Reenk told the truth and Ichigo wanted him to join "the Dark Side"
3) in the line of 2), it depends on which side you think was the most convincing.
4) yup. And afterwards Ichigo posted his version. They are both capable of fabricating pm's and pulling of a stunt.
5) He choose to play pro-town, that's why he acts townie.
I agree that we cannot be 100 % sure that Ichigo is Jotun, but there is alot of doubt. Both Reenk and Ichigo are suspicious. One of them is death (Reenk), let's lynch Ichigo. If he goes to Valhalla, I made a mistake and you can call me "a moron" if that mistake turns out to be decisive at the end of the game ~;)
In other games, you plead to lynch people for much less. If Ichigo turns out to be Jotun, you'll have alot to explain Sasaki. Why are you defeniding Ichigo that hard? It's very uncommon for you. :inquisitive:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 15:53
It's not uncommon for me to defend someone. It's clear that Ichi is innocent. There are lot's of other suspicious people. The current lynch effort against him is shows a dangerous problem the town has--any large argument that is repeated often enough will result in a call for "lynch them both". This is sheer laziness. If we allow this then every Jotun we try and lynch will pull the same stunt and the town will lose. Why not have pevergreen go against ichigo in the holmgang? This will show whether one is lying or not, and doesn't waste a lynch. sapi is the way to go
:laugh4: As a result of me deleting my inbox, I now have no role PM! :laugh4:
I doubt sigurd would give me another one. So I'll claim as best I can without one.
I am a Human Lord. Hughtower was my champion.
My Duel score is 8
I am a battle trained lord as well.
Bah on me deleting my PM's.
Your lieing pevergreen - since I declared my role earlier I can state that without violating the rules. Edit: To reference the post in the thread for my reveal
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1422488&postcount=500
War vetern lord was a holmgang of 5. Which was my initial score. Coupled with the fact that you denied my reveal as a lord, tsk tsk - you have made a slip. SInce I posted part of my PM in the thread - its really a rather weak attempt on you part.
Now if your claiming to be a king - then your score would be higher I am thinking. But this attempt here is an obvious lie.
Since I declared my role earlier and if it doesn't violate the rules I will post my PM if Sigurd states that it okay.
Let pevergreen and Omanes challenge each other.
As for Ichigo, I think we disagree then. To me it is not clear he is innocent. Reenk didn't lie about everything. Both Reenk and Ichigo are capable of faking pm's. It is not lazyness, it is a calculated risk to lynch Ichigo. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned.
If you don't want to go for Ichigo, Lord Motep seems a better choice: 1) powerful character (look at the write-up of his duel with Orb) 2) not much contributing, i.e. lurking and 3) never gave a reason for voting Orb.
And don't forget about Tom_Hagen. He got attacked, but not killed. Maybe he intended to join the Jotun and asked them to attack him on night one. He and his Jotun friend were sure he wouldn't die, thus Tom would be above all suspicion. The day after, Tom confirms Sigurd that he will join the Jotun...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 16:07
Your lieing pevergreen - since I declared my role earlier I can state that without violating the rules.
War vetern lord was a holmgang of 5. Which was my initial score. Coupled with the fact that you denied my reveal as a lord, tsk tsk - you have made a slip.
Now if your claiming to be a king - then your score would be higher I am thinking. But this attempt here is an obvious lie.
Since I declared my role earlier and if it doesn't violate the rules I will post my PM if Sigurd states that it okay.
Excellent Unvote,Vote:pevergreen
I am rather surprised that he would risk such a claim. But then Omanes didn't contradict him when he claimed for some reason.
@Andres: tom is innocent and not a god. He received protection that night, I've received similar myself.
And don't forget about Tom_Hagen. He got attacked, but not killed.
Sasaki is right, Tom is plain innocent, look at the write-ups
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 16:49
hmm unvote I forgot about Hugh. Does going to valhalla guarantee innocence?
ByzantineKnight
02-13-2007, 16:56
hmm unvote I forgot about Hugh. Does going to valhalla guarantee innocence?
Ya, do you think theyd let Jotun in?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 17:02
Hrungnir was a giant in Norse mythology, slain by the god Thor with his hammer Mjollnir. The account is documented in the Skáldskaparmál, in the Younger Edda by Snorri Sturluson.
Prior to his demise, Hrungnir engaged in a wager with Odin in which Odin staked his head betting on his horse, Sleipnir being faster than the steed of the giant's Gullfaxi. After the race, which Sleipnir won, he was invited into Valhalla, but became drunk and abusive. The gods called on Thor to battle with Hrungnir, and defeated him.
Vote:pevergreen
Although it may be best to test his power in the holmgang.
Although it may be best to test his power in the holmgang.
That's why I want him to fight Omanes in the holmgang.
So please, let pevergreen vs Omanes be the only challenge.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 17:13
Hmm
Redleg says his score was 5. He was equal with HughTower. If pever is jotun than hugh is jotun. So why would pever claim 8? Maybe he thought Redleg had higher than hugh?
Omanes, what was your score?
And pever which lord are you? You conveniently made it harder for someone to counterclaim you.
I went to Valhalla. I can be trusted.
pevergreen is my King. He is not Jotun.
Husar's comment about Sigurd possibly sending out townie PM's to the Jotun - is there any precedent for this in any other game?
Otherwise, it seems a strange (e.g. suspicious) defence of Ichigo.
I wasn't defending Ichigo, I was saying his townie PM may not be the one that indicates his role and he may have gotten it from someone else, actually that is what I believe, whether it was from Sigurd or not.
SO, Husar, why would you not be surprised if Sigurd had done that?
Because Sigurd likes that kind of secret tactic and stuff, it was just a guess anayway because I do not believe Ichigo.
It's clear that Ichi is innocent.
No, it's definitely not clear, he claims this and that, even challenges people(as a townie?).:inquisitive:
Your lieing pevergreen - since I declared my role earlier I can state that without violating the rules. Edit: To reference the post in the thread for my reveal
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1422488&postcount=500
War vetern lord was a holmgang of 5. Which was my initial score. Coupled with the fact that you denied my reveal as a lord, tsk tsk - you have made a slip. SInce I posted part of my PM in the thread - its really a rather weak attempt on you part.
Now if your claiming to be a king - then your score would be higher I am thinking. But this attempt here is an obvious lie.
Since I declared my role earlier and if it doesn't violate the rules I will post my PM if Sigurd states that it okay.
That is very interesting indeed. I will keep it in mind but for now, I will
Vote: Ichigo
Crazed Rabbit
02-13-2007, 17:47
I have good reason to believe Hughtower is innocent, which would make pevergreen innocent. Personally, I don't see what the slip up Redleg supposedly caught was.
Yes, Redleg had 5, but Redleg's role is not Pevergreen's role - Redleg is not a king, he is a mere lord, so his assumption that Pevergreen is lying because of his higher holmgang really has no basis. Especially when you consider that noone knows all the roles, or even the individual quirks of apparently similar roles.
Oh, and having Pevergreen fight Omanes is horrifically stupid. If we think they're both kings, than that is exactly what the jotun want - for the kings to die!
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 17:50
Yeah that makes sense. Omanes can confirm pevergreen.
unvote,Vote:sapi
I have good reason to believe Hughtower is innocent, which would make pevergreen innocent. Personally, I don't see what the slip up Redleg supposedly caught was.
Yes, Redleg had 5, but Redleg's role is not Pevergreen's role - Redleg is not a king, he is a mere lord, so his assumption that Pevergreen is lying because of his higher holmgang really has no basis. Especially when you consider that noone knows all the roles, or even the individual quirks of apparently similar roles.
Oh, and having Pevergreen fight Omanes is horrifically stupid. If we think they're both kings, than that is exactly what the jotun want - for the kings to die!
CR
If you read carefully and fully - you will discover that pevergreen claims to be a human lord, not a king. Here is his exact claim "I am a Human Lord. Hughtower was my champion"
Now Hughtower did go to Vahalla - and claims pevergreen was his king. If Hughtower is correct and pevergreen is his king - then why did pevergreen lie about being only a lord? If Hughtower is incorrect and called pevergreen his king versus his Jarl, why did pevergreen lie about his holmgang rating?
Anyway you attempt to slice it pevergreen is caught in a lie - its just a matter of determining if he is a King or a jotun.
Whats funny is that pevergreen attempted to deny my reveal as a jarl by wanting Loki to smit me.
Either way the conclusion is that pevergreen has not shown that his interest lies with protecting the gathering from the jotun
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 18:00
Interesting. How would pevergreen know about champions?
Current Tally:
No votes: 9
Abstain: 1
Ichigo: 6
pevergreen: 3
Lord Motep: 1
Omanes: 1
Sasaki: 1
sapi: 1
Interesting. How would pevergreen know about champions?
Indeed - that strikes the possiblity that his reveal as a lord is the lie - where he is actually a king. The holmgang rating higher then 5 would demonstrate that more then anything else. That he knows about the champions could come from several sources - even two or three that I shared the information with via PM. But we should give him the benefit of the doubt because of Hughtower's confirmation of being his champion. Primarily because we know from the write up that Hughtower went to Vahalla.
It would be a bad thing for the gathering to have a holmgang between Omanes and pevergreen. Omanes reveal looks a lot like my Jarl PM in the scope and content of the role. Now until Sigurd gives his premission to post the PM, you will have to take my word on it. Hopefully he will allow me since I revealed earlier - but its his game.
Either way pevergreen should come completely clean on what his role is because its critical to the game at this point. If he is speaking a small lie to protect his role as one of the kings - he needs to fix that aspect. If he can not provide the information - well then its up to the remaining to determine if his role is pro-gathering or projotun. That he denied my reveal and wanting to have me smitted is a tell.
In otherwords its a good thing for him that the jotun killed me last night phase.
Right now he has cast doubt on himself. Those that have protection abilities at night need to know the truth so that they can determine whom best to protect at night. Right now it seems Omanes is their best candidate.
@Redleg: You may quote your pm since you revealed before dying.
@Redleg: You may quote your pm since you revealed before dying.
Thanks. I have removed only the name of the Champion for his protection. If he wish to reveal in the thread I will confirm him.
Human Lord
Hjor Halfsson Jarl
You are the ruler of Stord. You are a War veteran and a ruler under King Sulke of Rogaland.
Your survival is important for the town. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.
You don’t have any special abilities other than having a champion that might take your place at a Holmgang. If you are challenged to a Holmgang PM me if you want your champion to take your place. Your champion is:
Now Sigurd forgot to include my holmgang rating in the initial PM but it was a score of 5 based upon the write up above. As discussed with Reenk earlier in the thread - the score of 5 was most likely the norm for the Jarl
For ease of comparison here is Omanes reveal
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426228&postcount=903
I believe he is telling the truth
Kralizec
02-13-2007, 18:29
Sorry for being inactive...again. This thread has grown hugely since I last read it.
Vote: Pevergreen for apparently lying. 8 seems like a ridiculously high holmgang rating anyway for mere humans.
Crazed Rabbit
02-13-2007, 18:38
Gee, Redleg, you think maybe pevergreen was trying to conceal his role from the jotun?
Anyway you attempt to slice it pevergreen is caught in a lie - its just a matter of determining if he is a King or a jotun.
Or maybe they just misspoke? Huh, that'd be a first :rolleyes:
That he denied my reveal and wanting to have me smitted is a tell.
Oh, the one where you denied Reenk was Loki and tried to drive him into the arms of the jotun?
Just because people's reveals aren't the exact same as yours does not make them jotun.
CR
Gee, Redleg, you think maybe pevergreen was trying to conceal his role from the jotun?
Or maybe they just misspoke? Huh, that'd be a first :rolleyes:
Oh, the one where you denied Reenk was Loki and tried to drive him into the arms of the jotun?
Just because people's reveals aren't the exact same as yours does not make them jotun.
CR
LOL. Misspoke without clarification becomes a lie. Until he corrects the error - it can be seen as a lie, because the evidence directly contradicts what he initially stated.
I wonder if your jotun given that you also have a history of decieving. I wonder if someone should take a serious look at your posts?:yes:
Don't worry though Crazed Rabbit after this lynching round I won't be posting much more only reading the thread. I just thought it was interesting that pevergreen would attempt such a bold face lie given that the holmgang ratings of jarls was covered much earlier in the thread.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-13-2007, 18:45
Might as well reveal my stats:
Holmgang ability: 5(Lord)+1(King) = 6
Seamus Fermanagh
02-13-2007, 18:49
Hmm
Redleg says his score was 5. He was equal with HughTower. If pever is jotun than hugh is jotun. So why would pever claim 8? Maybe he thought Redleg had higher than hugh?
Omanes, what was your score?
And pever which lord are you? You conveniently made it harder for someone to counterclaim you.
Unless the description features you tearing up the landscape, an absolute determination of role via holmgang cannot be possible.
I (7) was wounded but overcame Reenk (9).
Redleg (5) was wounded but overcame Hugh (3?).
You are only going to see something truly lopsided if a 7+ holmganger takes on a 1-2 pointer thrall. Absent that, you can estimate that the winner is likely to be stronger, but...
That's why I want him to fight Omanes in the holmgang.
So please, let pevergreen vs Omanes be the only challenge.
This seems to be counter to your claim of being for the gathering (townie)?
Why would you want a self- declared king to risk death with a self-declared lord?
Now until pevergreen fully explains his lie - or has Crazed Rabbit stated his "mis-speak" such a holmgang is foolish. The best course for the town is to determine which one is speaking the truth and deserves the protection of whoever is the healer that saved Tom Hagen (Now back to his orginial name of Don C.)
Unless the description features you tearing up the landscape, an absolute determination of role via holmgang cannot be possible.
I (7) was wounded but overcame Reenk (9).
Redleg (5) was wounded but overcame Hugh (3?).
You are only going to see something truly lopsided if a 7+ holmganger takes on a 1-2 pointer thrall. Absent that, you can estimate that the winner is likely to be stronger, but...
Hughtower as a champion would have had a holmgang of 4
Something along the lines of Motep's and Orb's duel is what you are describing here.
Motep didn't even unsheath his sword for half the duel.
Might as well reveal my stats:
Holmgang ability: 5(Lord)+1(King) = 6
Great m8, that shows Pever is obviously lying. No-one will forget his Holmgang rating, or delete the most important pm of the game.
You're rating makes sense (as it's mostlikely true) but Pever's 7 or 8 doesn't.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-13-2007, 18:55
Unvote; Vote: pevergreen
It is evident that pevergreen is a Jotun, in league with Andres. My PM is clearly not a fake and, since pevergreen desires to challenge a clear King it is evident that he wants me dead. Very Jotunish.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 18:58
Unvote,Vote:pevergreen
CR's defense of pevergreen is noted.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-13-2007, 18:59
Upon further review, I concur with Rabbit as to HughTower's innocence. Following from that...
unvote, vote: sapi
Kagemusha
02-13-2007, 19:07
Vote Pevergreen. I would like to hear more about his Holmgang stat.
Why would you want a self- declared king to risk death with a self-declared lord?
You have a very good point there.
While it seemed suspicious that pevergreen "lost" his pm, the backing up by HughTower, who is dead and went to Valhalla, speaks for him.
As for Omanes, the role pm looks real enough.
So, for now, pevergreen and Omanes are off the suspect list. You don't have to duel each other as far as I am concerned.
Still left: Ichigo and Lord Motep
Oh, and here is a copy of my pm conversation with Sigurd.
Hi Sigurd.
I have a question about the rules.
Scenario: a God gets attacked by a Jotun on night one. He survives because he is a God and cannot be killed. Afterwards that same God pm's the game master (you) that he will join the Jotun. The game master says : ok and the God shall play on the side of the Jotun.
Is this scenario possible within the rules of the Midgard Saga?
Yes and No...
Not very helpful huh :inquisitive: :skull:
Sigurd
You mean : yes for some Gods, no for other Gods...?
No comment
P.S.: Do the rules of the game allow me to post your answers on these questions in the thread? Or to forward your answers to other players? If I would ask the same questions in the thread, would you answer them there as well?
Yes
Guess the failed attempt on Tom doesn't make him automatically innocent...
Seamus Fermanagh
02-13-2007, 19:16
HughTower went to Valhalla upon death.
So far, all of those heading to Valhalla have been: warriors, non-jotun
That is pretty much definitional for the Einheriar. They weren't recruiting dancing masters, but they were there to OPPOSE the jotun.
Hugh has publicly vouched for pevergreen.
Hugh, assuming he was a champion, would have known the name of his Lord. He did specifically say this of pevergreen.
They may both be playing a game to protect their real king, using pev as a sacrafice, but that's a bit of a long-shot explanation.
Overall, I am inclined to trust this Einheriot.
pevergreen inflating his holmgang rating as a protective tool isn't hard to explain -- though he should have reviewed existing information more closely before doing so. This, so far, is the only real piece of evidence being used to hang him.
I was following Sasaki's lead on sapi....but Sasaki is "whirling" again.
Omanes, on the other hand, seems to have put out a convincing reveal and he is voting against pevergreen. Yet we are also aware that none of the kings are aware of one another.
Unvote; Vote Kagemusha
Why? pevergreen I believe is good, omanes seems good, sapi is just feuding with Sasaki, ichigo isn't trustworthy, but neither is Reenk.....so I'm grabbing a lurker and hoping he'll add his voice.
So, for now, pevergreen and Omanes are off the suspect list. You don't have to duel each other as far as I am concerned.
Still left: Ichigo and Lord Motep
When was I taken off? As I believe I was on
Kagemusha
02-13-2007, 19:20
Seamus.Becouse i have been busy at real life past few days.That doesnt make me a lurker. If you read through the thread you see me quite active,but in last few days i havent made a single post in the Org becouse i have been busy. But ofcourse its your decision.
When was I taken off? As I believe I was on
You were? Ok, since you so kindly asked: added Stig on the suspect list, because he lurked so long that I completely forgot about him :grin:
You were? Ok, since you so kindly asked: added Stig on the suspect list, because he lurked so long that I completely forgot about him :grin:
If I lurk so do you, as you lurked so long you forgot about me
*makes suspects list*
*puts Andres on it*
beat that :whip:
:bounce:
:hide:
now I remember why Stig was a suspect (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1425611&postcount=835)
But you gave a good reason to unvote Omanes, so you're no longer a suspect. Just don't meatball anymore in the future, you naughty boy :whip:
On the other hand, maybe you did unvote Omanes because it is obvious now that he is pro-town and keeping your vote would make you look suspicious.
Sorry Stig, you're back on the list.
*sigh*
Who will pay for my paranoia-therapy after this game?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-13-2007, 19:34
What is concerning me is what happens this night, I now have a guaranteed death at Jotun hands.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-13-2007, 19:45
Seamus.Becouse i have been busy at real life past few days.That doesnt make me a lurker. If you read through the thread you see me quite active,but in last few days i havent made a single post in the Org becouse i have been busy. But ofcourse its your decision.
Hmmm. Sounds plausible enough.
You haven't voted actively in a while either.....
Unvote Kagemusha
Vote Proletariat
Time for a vote and some discussion milady. Your low-key style is a constant, but also a useful tool at times.
On the other hand, maybe you did unvote Omanes because it is obvious now that he is pro-town and keeping your vote would make you look suspicious.
Sorry Stig, you're back on the list.
I unvoted Omanes before he was clearly pro-town (well clearly pro-town to me)
but then you are being paranoic :bounce:
What is concerning me is what happens this night, I now have a guaranteed death at Jotun hands.
One of two:
You are Jotun, and saying:'Oh, protect me, im going to be attacked' when this can be a scum tactic.
Two, you are really afraid of dying.
Current Tally:
No votes: 6
Abstain: 1
pevergreen: 6
Ichigo: 5
Lord Motep: 1
Omanes: 1
Prole: 1
Sasaki: 1
Don Corleone
02-13-2007, 20:23
Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Pevergreen
If I can't get you, Omanes, I'll get your partner. Sorry, people with a role that lie to cover the role generally explain themselves after they're sniffed out. Pevergreen on the other hand appears to be taking a "maybe this will all blow over" approach. It will, once we put a spear through your heart, you filthy Jotun!
Just a quick observation...
pevergreen and sapi are both from Australia and is sound asleep. It is soon morning there (06:30 am right now).
They will not be able to defend themselves until after the voting is closed (in about 30 minuttes).
Sigurd
Crazed Rabbit
02-13-2007, 20:38
LOL. Misspoke without clarification becomes a lie. Until he corrects the error - it can be seen as a lie, because the evidence directly contradicts what he initially stated.
I wonder if your jotun given that you also have a history of decieving. I wonder if someone should take a serious look at your posts?:yes:
I am innocent, and can easily prove it if need be.
But Omanes' reveal of his holmgang is not an indication of the gulit of pevergreen. You will recall pevergreen said his was unusually high due to his having trained in battle extensively.
I trust him because I know Hughtower to be innocent - he was sent to Valhalla, remember?, though I have other reason to believe his innocence also - and he vouches for pevergreen.
It seems highly foolish that we are going to lynch someone who is very likely a important pro-town role instead of someone likely to be jotun; ichigo.
CR's defense of pevergreen is noted.
And yours of Ichigo is noted as well.
If I can't get you, Omanes, I'll get your partner. Sorry, people with a role that lie to cover the role generally explain themselves after they're sniffed out. Pevergreen on the other hand appears to be taking a "maybe this will all blow over" approach. It will, once we put a spear through your heart, you filthy Jotun!
That makes no sense. They are two people most likely not to be partners - Omanes is trying to get pevergreen lynched.
Crazed Rabbit
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It seems highly foolish that we are going to lynch someone who is very likely a important pro-town role instead of someone likely to be jotun; ichigo.
Oh I agree Ichigo should be lynched this round and pevergreen needs to better explain.
If I can't get you, Omanes, I'll get your partner. Sorry, people with a role that lie to cover the role generally explain themselves after they're sniffed out. Pevergreen on the other hand appears to be taking a "maybe this will all blow over" approach. It will, once we put a spear through your heart, you filthy Jotun!
That's the second time you are meatballing.
Add to that what I said in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426587&postcount=948) and you are becoming highly suspicious Don Corleone aka Tom Hagen.
I just don't understand this. Pevergreen was suspicious because he said he lost his pm. Afterwards, HughTower, sticked up with him. HughTower, who went to Valhalla. Still you keep voting pevergreen.
Sasaki, why did you switch votes over and over to conveniently end up with pevergreen? To make sure your Jotun-buddy Ichigo stays alive? And all of the sudden we have the suspicious Don Corleone who pops up and quickly votes pevergreen giving a meatballing reason...
You are convincing me more and more of the correctness of my theory. Don Corleone = God who has chosen to join the Jotun. Sasaki backing his Jotun buddy up.
On a side note: Omanes, why did you vote pevergreen? He didn't post a fake pm, in fact, he didn't post a pm at all. HughTower stood up for him, so he is not Jotun. Why do you consider your quarrels with another King more important than a townie victory? Both you and pevergreen are key players that the town cannot afford to lose. Please change your vote. You are above suspicion imho, but I think you are making a mistake by voting pevergreen.
Unvote:Pevergreen
Vote:Ichigo
Also note CF's behavior.
Don Corleone
02-13-2007, 21:10
First off, I'm not meatballing. I was explicit on why I am so suspicious of Omanes. As far as I know, he's never answered any of the accusations I made, he just pointed the finger back at me.
Second, I picked Pevergreen because I figured lying about your role is a big tell. Again, not a meatball vote. Why Hugh's word is good enough: 1) we've never established that only humans go to Valhalla and 2) Hugh could have been misled about Pevergreen.
As I said in my PM, you're getting more and more suspicoius to me as well, Andres. It will be interesting to watch you in the next couple of rounds.
However, I'm not so certain that Pevergreen is Omanes accomplice. I would abstain, but that's a throw away vote. I'm going back to the best hunch I have:
Unvote: Pevergreen
Vote: Omanes (read through my numerous posts on this matter for my reasoning).
It seems highly foolish that we are going to lynch someone who is very likely a important pro-town role instead of someone likely to be jotun; ichigo.
I agree wholeheartedly!
There we have someone who is either townie or Jotun(that's Ichigo) and someone who may be a lord.
And what do we do? Vote for the one who may be a Jotun objective...:wall:
If we do make a mistake, it better be a townie than a lord because we already have lost at least one of six and another one has already revealed...:wall:
Don Corleone
02-13-2007, 21:12
Oh good, I got that vote change in.
Now, Andres, I want to tackle your odd defense of Omanes.
Omanes sent a PM to Hugh. Hugh, who died and it was relayed that he went to Valhalla upon his death, verified that he found the PM to be believable. And because of that, you declare, quite adamantly, that Omanes is now beyond suspicion. Very, very twisted reasoning there, my friend.
Also note CF's behavior.
I was analysing the phrase of Omanes.
vote Me So I Can Die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
vote Me So I Can Die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did already.
This is getting rather weird.
Oh good, I got that vote change in.
Now, Andres, I want to tackle your odd defense of Omanes.
Omanes sent a PM to Hugh. Hugh, who died and it was relayed that he went to Valhalla upon his death, verified that he found the PM to be believable. And because of that, you declare, quite adamantly, that Omanes is now beyond suspicion. Very, very twisted reasoning there, my friend.
Eh, no. I believe Omanes is beyond suspicion because the role pm he posted in the thread seems correct to me.
After the confirmation by HughTower of pevergreen being his lord and the reveal of Omanes's role pm, I still had some doubts.
After reading this:
Oh, and having Pevergreen fight Omanes is horrifically stupid. If we think they're both kings, than that is exactly what the jotun want - for the kings to die!
I realised I was acting foolishly and therefore I stated Omanes and pevergreen were removed from my suspect list.
:bow:
EDIT @Don Corleone: I didn't realise Hungarian is the same as suspicious :laugh4:
At the Ting court that afternoon the retinue of the kingdoms marched up to the runestone where the old man waited.
They had found another in their midst that they believed to be a Jotun. This man had been talking much lately, but hadn’t been able to defend the accusations raised against him. The retinues wanted him dead and had brought him to the Ting in shackles.
Ichigo stood as tall as he was with a determined mien. This man was a proud man no doubt. “Do you have anything to say?” asked the old man. The man called Ichigo looked at the people gathered. “You have all been fooled by that Loki, whom you took in and embraced; now I have to die because of his lies.” Some of the people gathered yelled: “Yeah continue your tales Jotun, you will die today.”
The old man motioned to the nearest men to place Ichigo at the pole.
They complied and the old man asked: “Any one here good with a bow?” All raised their hand and three were picked. They lined up and at the signal of the old man let arrows fly towards the heart of Ichigo.
Ichigo found himself on a horse that galloped through the air. In front of him sat the most beautiful woman he had ever seen. Her Black long hair smelled of flowers and she cast a casual eye behind her and said: “There you are good looking; it’s time to get you home where you belong.” Ichigo knew he had struck gold and took in the scenery ahead. There amongst the mountains he saw a golden roof. Could it be?
No votes: 6 (AtPG, JimBob, Kukri, Lord Motep, Prole, Sir Boo)
Abstain: 1 (Warluster)
Ichigo: 6 (Andres, CR, GH, Husar, Ichigo, sapi)
pevergreen: 5 (Kage, Fenring, Omanes, Sasaki, Stig)
Omanes: 2 (CountA, DonC)
Lord Motep: 1 (CF)
Prole: 1 (Seamus)
Sasaki: 1 (pevergreen)
Tally:
Murdered (5):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Killed in Holmgang (3):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Executed (2):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Still Alive (22):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
JimBob
Kagemusha
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
sapi
Sasaki Kojiro
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster
***
Time to Challenge and send PMs people !!!
Your Faces. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah Ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha
I hope you all realize you have lost a valuable townie. I shall post no more.
Reenk Roink
02-13-2007, 21:45
Your Faces. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah Ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha
Whoopdedoo. :rolleyes:
You think SigFaf will tell us who is Jotun and who is not in the stories? :no:
I went to Asgard (much better than Valhalla you mortals :laugh4:) myself. What can you discern of my alignment there?
Good choice town, I may still be able to win (and you too but that's not important :tongue3:)...
Your inconsistency and poor logic gave away your deception...
Whoopdedoo. :rolleyes:
You think SigFaf will tell us who is Jotun and who is not in the stories? :no:
I went to Asgard (much better than Valhalla you mortals :laugh4:) myself. What can you discern of my alignment there?
Good choice town, I may still be able to win (and you too but that's not important :tongue3:)...
Your inconsistency and poor logic gave away your deception...
Still you lie. Sad really.
Reenk Roink
02-13-2007, 21:49
Still you lie. Sad really.
Actually it is you who continues to.
I hope you all realize you have lost a valuable townie.
Lie.
I shall post no more.
Lie.
Whoopdedoo. :rolleyes:
You think SigFaf will tell us who is Jotun and who is not in the stories? :no:
Sigurd just confirmed to me in the chat that Jotun don't go to Valhalla.
Damn you Loki!
Sorry Ichigo :embarassed:
Gah, I should have sticked to my guts and kept going after Lord Motep.
Now it's night... Brrr... :scared:
EDIT: now Sigurd told that Jotun technically can go to Asgard and Valhalla is a building with a golden roof situated in Asgard... I'm confused...
Actually it is you who continues to.
Lie.
Lie.
It's impossible for you to prove I was guilty. You've lied the entire game and you are lieing now. That's exactly why I killed myself to prove that you are lieing.
Actually it is you who continues to.
Lie.
Lie.
It's impossible for you to prove I was guilty. You've lied the entire game and you are lieing now. That's exactly why I killed myself to prove that you are lieing.
Reenk Roink
02-13-2007, 21:57
now Sigurd told that Jotun technically can go to Asgard and Valhalla is a building with a golden roof situated in Asgard... I'm confused...
Exactly. I told you all, it would make the game too easy if Jotun were revealed.
You all got pwned. Good job Reenk ~;)
Psssh mortal men nowadays.
Reenk Roink
02-13-2007, 22:02
Org is slow today. :joker:
Warluster
02-13-2007, 22:06
Challenge:Proletariat
She hasn't said an word the whole game, speak up!
It was fun man, no hard feelings?
Who were you actually? I still can't believe you knew my role as just a War Veteran.
RR PM
Reenk Roink
02-13-2007, 22:09
RR PM
More lies? :rolleyes:
Just because your death proves no innocence?
Enjoy your time in Asgard, I'll be there as well Jotun...
Don Corleone
02-13-2007, 22:12
Jotuns, when they die, will go to Jotunheim or possibly Helheim. The townies will go to Valhalla. Any gods in the world of men will be returned to Asgard.
Well, this is getting old, but I will not be swayed until he defends himself. I am convinced I've latched onto a Jotun, and will not break my grip for anything but the truth:
Challenge: Omanes
More lies? :rolleyes:
Just because your death proves no innocence?
Enjoy your time in Asgard, I'll be there as well Jotun...
I blame Andres.
Now this is a real mess...
<Sigurd> That is their nature
<UltraWar> Clan now created
<Induction> Giants?
<Induction> Really?
<Induction> Shows what I know.
<AndresTheCunning> Sigurd, can Jotun go to Valhalla?
<Sigurd> Jotun = Giants?
<Induction> Yes
<Sigurd> not in my story
<AndresTheCunning> damn, sorry Ichigo
<Induction> oh
<AndresTheCunning> :(
<Sigurd> they might have giant strenght but hardly gigantic size
<Sigurd> just to clarify
<Sigurd> Valhalla is a building in Asgard
<Induction> hmm
<Sigurd> it is the hall of Odin with Gold roof
<Induction> Freya would put up more of a fight then this wouldn't she?
<Induction> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Giants_and_Freia.jpg
<Sigurd> jotun will invade Asgard now and then
<Sigurd> so yes technically they can go to Asgard
<Induction> sounds like that guard is a slacker
<Sigurd> There is a story in the Norse mythology where Odin disapears for a while
<Sigurd> his brothers take the seat of Valhall
Bad RR:thumbsdown:
GeneralHankerchief
02-13-2007, 22:27
Challenge: pevergreen
If I get destroyed, so be it. But if I do, at least a Jotun will be revealed.
(My Holmgang skill is 2)
After Ichigo posted the chatlog, this was the conversation:
<Sigurd> you took that chatlog and higlighted out of context Ichi
<Thor> hehehe
<Thor> SHHHHHHHH
<Husar> you're a funny guy Ichi :P
<Sigurd> my answer was not to Andres question
<Thor> That was disco's question :P
<Sigurd> I am allowing it
<Thor> Hey if Loki can make up PM's then I can make false statements
<Sigurd> I shall not comment on this in the thread
* Thor cheers
Oh, Thor = Ichigo
Posted by Ichigo at 22.17 - post 993 (I'm just mentioning this, in case he edits his post after this one comes up), I highlighted otherwise than Ichigo.
<Sigurd> That is their nature
<UltraWar> Clan now created
<Induction> Giants?
<Induction> Really?
<Induction> Shows what I know.
<AndresTheCunning> Sigurd, can Jotun go to Valhalla?
<Sigurd> Jotun = Giants?
<Induction> Yes
<Sigurd> not in my story
<AndresTheCunning> damn, sorry Ichigo
<Induction> oh
<AndresTheCunning> :(
<Sigurd> they might have giant strenght but hardly gigantic size
<Sigurd> just to clarify
<Sigurd> Valhalla is a building in Asgard
<Induction> hmm
<Sigurd> it is the hall of Odin with Gold roof
<Induction> Freya would put up more of a fight then this wouldn't she?
<Induction> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._and_Freia.jpg
<Sigurd> jotun will invade Asgard now and then
<Sigurd> so yes technically they can go to Asgard
<Induction> sounds like that guard is a slacker
<Sigurd> There is a story in the Norse mythology where Odin disapears for a while
<Sigurd> his brothers take the seat of Valhall
Nah, we did the right thing lynching Ichigo after all.
After Ichigo posted the chatlog, this was the conversation:
Oh, Thor = Ichigo
Posted by Ichigo at 22.17 - post 993 (I'm just mentioning this, in case he edits his post after this one comes up), I highlighted otherwise than Ichigo.
Nah, we did the right thing lynching Ichigo after all.
That second part proves that Jotun don't go to Asgard when they die.:laugh4:
KukriKhan
02-13-2007, 22:41
Quite a few words from one who shall post no more. Just an observation.
Tell me if I get any of the following wrong:
From Sigurd's OP:
The Jotun’s main object is to kill the 6 lords + any pro town roles. If they are able to do so they will win.
and
The Roles:
6 Lords – this will be the Jarls and petty kings of Hordaland
3 Jotun – the Mafiosi
(unknown number of) Pro-town roles
(unknown number of) Townies
We started with 32 players. 10 are now dead. 2 of those dead (Redleg {murdered} & HughTower {Holmganged by Redleg}) claim convincingly to have been Lords, leaving, of the 22 survivors:
4 Lords
3 Jotun
? Gods/other pro-town
?? townies
So, 19 of us must find and kill the 3 unrevealed bad-guys (assuming all 3 still live, at this time).
I think our (anti-Jotun coalition) best strategy is to sort out
a) who is convincingly townie (by revealing themselves publicly)
b) Lords to privately reveal themselves to those they are convinced are "real" townies.
c) Use the process of elimination to compile a list of most-likely bad-guys.
Worst that can happen is that more innocent townies get killed by revealing their vulnerability - but the Lords are protected, saving the game from the Jotun.
Hmmm. Now to decide how best to implement, with minimal innocent blood.
Are any of the above stats, numbers or assumptions incorrect?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 22:42
No one listens to me :/
Just to clarify though: jotun don't get taken by valkyries? That would confirm pevergreen.
Crazed Rabbit
02-13-2007, 22:50
Jotuns, when they die, will go to Jotunheim or possibly Helheim. The townies will go to Valhalla. Any gods in the world of men will be returned to Asgard.
Well, this is getting old, but I will not be swayed until he defends himself. I am convinced I've latched onto a Jotun, and will not break my grip for anything but the truth:
Challenge: Omanes
What the heck are you doing Don? It's pretty much established he is one of the lords - the good guys, who we don't want to die.
Ichigo seems to be getting a better choice for lynching by the minute.
Challenge: Sasaki
Now you'll answer for your defense of Ichigo.
EDIT; Kurkri - it would probably be best for the reveals like you suggest to be done privately, to someone we know is innocent, like Seamus, so Jotun can't copy reveals. They may have fake townie PMs, though.
Crazed Rabbit
Capo screwed you guys up completely
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