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KukriKhan
02-13-2007, 22:59
So post #1,000 goes to the dead guy who said, 23 posts ago:
Your Faces. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah Ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha
I hope you all realize you have lost a valuable townie. I shall post no more.
Murphey lives! :laugh4:
No challenge from me; I am a mere townie - though a war-vet.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-13-2007, 23:03
Didn't Ichigo just get confirmed innocent? Or did I miss something.
1000 posts... WOHOOO :smash:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-13-2007, 23:12
EDIT @Don Corleone: I didn't realise Hungarian is the same as suspicious :laugh4:
He's had some horrific MTW flashbacks these past few weeks --something about losing to the Hungarians with the Byzantines once -- we've been trying to find him an appropriate 12-step group....
:smartass:
Don Corleone
02-13-2007, 23:20
CR, how is Omanes confirmed as a Lord? Did I miss a defense beyond him sending a PM to Hugh, who then said "Yep, I think he's a Lord"?
Ever dawn on people that Hugh meant well but was misled?
As for innocent, I was attacked by the Jotun. I'm a warrior, nothing fancy.
Don Corleone
02-13-2007, 23:21
He's had some horrific MTW flashbacks these past few weeks --something about losing to the Hungarians with the Byzantines once -- we've been trying to find him an appropriate 12-step group....
:smartass:
I thought Andres was Hungarian. Turns out he's Belgian. Isn't there a frequent poster that's from Hungary?
Crazed Rabbit
02-13-2007, 23:32
CR, how is Omanes confirmed as a Lord? Did I miss a defense beyond him sending a PM to Hugh, who then said "Yep, I think he's a Lord"?
Ever dawn on people that Hugh meant well but was misled?
As for innocent, I was attacked by the Jotun. I'm a warrior, nothing fancy.
Don - he posted this:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426228&postcount=903
Hughtower was confirming pevergreen's innocence.
Didn't Ichigo just get confirmed innocent? Or did I miss something.
No. He's using misleading chat logs after his death, too.
CR
Don Corleone
02-13-2007, 23:36
I'm not convinced. He did a lot of weird things early on, like randomly voting, voting for somebody on scant info, the like. When I called him on it, rather than responding, he just started making accusations against me.
Though I'll be honest, I don't have any hard information that he's a Jotun. Damn, back to square one.
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 23:38
Challange: Sasaki Reasons are further back.
I saw Redlegds PM. Is that the entire thing? No Fluff left out? Becuase mine was a lot bigger.
I have a higher score than that, I know, but maybe Hughtower can PM our Family/House name to me, so I can post it here? Is that allowed.
Proletariat
02-13-2007, 23:38
I'm sorry, but how has Ichi been proven innocent?
Sorry I've been quiet in the thread. Been busy with real life the last few days, but I've been doing a little networking via PM before that.
I'll accept your challenge, Warluster, but you're better off challenging someone who might be Jotun.
Challange: Sasaki Reasons are further back.
I saw Redlegds PM. Is that the entire thing? No Fluff left out? Becuase mine was a lot bigger.
I have a higher score than that, I know, but maybe Hughtower can PM our Family/House name to me, so I can post it here? Is that allowed.
Only thing left out was the Champion's name and the Holmgang information that Sigurd forgot to include in mine.
pevergreen
02-13-2007, 23:51
That was at the end. I had a lot more in the middle, as well as a higher Holmgang score.
I think I came here to stop you and another group from doing something.
Kagemusha
02-13-2007, 23:55
Challenge Pevergreen. I think that your Jotun head needs to be put on a pike after i have hacked it of with my axe.
Don - he posted this:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426228&postcount=903
Hughtower was confirming pevergreen's innocence.
No. He's using misleading chat logs after his death, too.
CR
Misleading? I bolded some stuff that's all. Just because I bolded something that I thought Sigurd was answering I was mistaken. The second part is pretty simple. And this:
A Jotun, in Norse mythology, is a giant, one of a mythological race with superhuman strength, described as standing in opposition to the gods
Yes, of course the Gods would let a Jotun into Valhalla it's not like their the God's enemies or anything.:dizzy2: Common sense people.:sweatdrop:
Why don't you ask RR what he edited out of that post earlier.
That was at the end. I had a lot more in the middle, as well as a higher Holmgang score.
I think I came here to stop you and another group from doing something.
Oh I was out to stop jotun - I think your still attempting to decieve however. But since I can't vote or challenge you can take the information for what it is. The Jarl PM is accurate minus the alreadly stated edit.
The question however is what are you attempting to hide. If your the second king your reveal of having an outragous holmgang score begins to make sense with the formula that Sigurd is using. Lord 5 +King 1 = 6, add an additional factor such as master swordsman or having one previous holmgang your score could very well be 7 or 8. I know that the holmgang that I won raised my score by 1.
So there is a formula that Sigurd uses to calulate the Holmgang rating. Claiming to be a Jarl with the holmgang you claim to have is rather high.
Now your claiming your PM was bigger then mine - that fine, was it as big or was it bigger then Omanes's king PM which he has alreadly revealed?
The clue is in what Hughtower has alreadly stated - he stated he served his "king."
Now if you can verifiy that information - then the gathering now has to protect its two kings from harm - in order to do that - people have to kind of follow the course that Kurki outlined - and the tactic that we are currently pursueing, which is to figure out who is lieing about their role.
Most can not do it on the thread because it allows the jotun players to also figure out who is who.
So the remaining players need to confirm the two kings and begin to use them as the base to confirm the idenity of others.
This was the sole reason why I revealed early that I was a jarl I knew it would get me targeted by the jotun - but it should enable others to begin to cross-talk to figure out who is who.
In fact I can name four confirmed townie players alreadly - and four possible pro-townie. If you care to have that information I will gladly share it with you via PM - if and when you can confirm your idenity in this thread.
Vote: Pevergreen tomorrow, just because he should be killed today
And because Jotun will mostlikely have a higher Holmgang then me I won't challenge him
Sasaki Kojiro
02-14-2007, 00:15
Doesn't the death description have a valkryie taking Ichigo to the building with the golden roof (valhalla)? Asgard the Jotun can go to but not valhalla. I'm also pretty sure Reenk confessed and then removed it with that post with the jester guy.
Doesn't the death description have a valkryie taking Ichigo to the building with the golden roof (valhalla)? Asgard the Jotun can go to but not valhalla. I'm also pretty sure Reenk confessed and then removed it with that post with the jester guy.
Aye, he did. Like it said in the chatlot I posted the Jotun can get into Asgard if they invade. Since the Jotun and Gods are opposing each other it is doubtful that a Jotun would ride into Valhallo on a stallion with a beautiful woman (no matter what here hair color is Andres ~:P)
Reenk Roink
02-14-2007, 02:58
Yes, of course the Gods would let a Jotun into Valhalla it's not like their the God's enemies or anything.:dizzy2: Common sense people.:sweatdrop:
Why don't you ask RR what he edited out of that post earlier.
Dude, how many times are you gonna get caught tampering with people's words. :no:
I edited out a harsh comment towards you after AndersTheCunning validated me once again. With proof, I don't need to use personal attacks. :wink:
Dude, how many times are you gonna get caught tampering with people's words. :no:
I edited out a harsh comment towards you after AndersTheCunning validated me once again. With proof, I don't need to use personal attacks. :wink:
:laugh4: There's gotta be somebody around who read your confession. Andres validated nothing other than question whether your innocent or not when your lynched.
ByzantineKnight
02-14-2007, 04:37
For goodness sakes people, Lynch Lord Motep! He has a very powerful Holmngang ability (even a War Veteran vs. Townie wouldn't be that unbalanced) He must be Jotun! And besides, didn't the Holmngang description mention his (large) size.
He must die!
Sasaki Kojiro
02-14-2007, 04:42
I think a claim from motep would be helpful.
ByzantineKnight
02-14-2007, 04:44
I think a claim from motep would be helpful.
He's been gone for a while, not sure what happened to him...
Seamus Fermanagh
02-14-2007, 05:04
For goodness sakes people, Lynch Lord Motep! He has a very powerful Holmngang ability (even a War Veteran vs. Townie wouldn't be that unbalanced) He must be Jotun! And besides, didn't the Holmngang description mention his (large) size.
He must die!
Interesting. Can't vote yet as its nighty-night time. Hadn't thought of it quite that way, but he did clearly outclass his opponent. Can't even Holmgang again...yet.
By the way, this "My holmgang is bigger" is starting to sound just a little too sophomoric....:devilish:
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 07:17
:laugh4:
Right, Omanes PM
Human Lord
Sulke King of Rogaland
You are the ruler of Rogaland where this session of Gulating is held. You are a War veteran and a former Varangian guard. Trained and schooled in the skills of war makes you a formidable foe in Holmgang.
You are in a blood feud with the neighbour kingdom of Hordaland. It is this feud that will be tried solved in this session of the Ting.
Your survival is important for the town. The Jotun is out to get you and your retinue. The Jotun will win if they kill you and the other Lords.
You don’t have any special abilities other than having a champion that might take your place at a Holmgang. If you are challenged to a Holmgang PM me if you want your champion to take your place. Your champion is: *******
Holmgang ability: *+* = *
Mine Was the exact same apart from
1. The third word. It may not have been Sulke, I would put a bet that it wasnt.
2. the Kingdom im from is different
3. My fluff is a bit different, I am there to stop two provinces/kingdoms/whatever from fighting.
4. My champions name is Hughtower.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-14-2007, 07:18
And your holmgang?
?+?+????
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 07:33
I dont have my PM....
It's the same or 1 higher than Omanes.
I believe Omanes. :bow:
ShadeHonestus
02-14-2007, 07:47
I thought for a second that this may be a DAOC thread. :gah:
And I don't believe you, if you would be a king Sigurd would have named you a Jarl, next to that where did that come from? I thought you deleted it, and now it's back, sure :whip:
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 08:02
That was Omanes, I was stating the things I remembered about it.
That was Omanes, I was stating the things I remembered about it.
So there's a Pm by someone else, and you say yours is a bit different, but you can't remember where, sure :whip:
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 08:53
No. Re read it.
#1025
Challenge: Sasaki
Either way, i want his allegiance to come out.
Omanes pm is a fake - sigurd knows better than to call a norseman a former varanguan guard...
For goodness sakes people, Lynch Lord Motep! He has a very powerful Holmngang ability (even a War Veteran vs. Townie wouldn't be that unbalanced) He must be Jotun! And besides, didn't the Holmngang description mention his (large) size.
He must die!
Yup, Motep is my next suspect to look at, for various reasons:
1) powerful in Holmgang;
2) Voted Orb without a good reason; afterwards challenged Orb without a good reason.
3) he lurks alot. In other mafia games he posted on a regular basis, his absentism in this game is rather unusual for him.
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 09:24
I think motep may be away, hasnt posted in his mini mafia either...
The following challenges will be considered:
1. Warluster vs. Prole
2. DonC vs. Omanes
3. GH vs. pevergreen
4. CR vs. Sasaki
5. pevergreen vs. Sasaki
6. Kage vs. pevergreen
(we need to think of a short name for you pevergreen)
results will be posted with the kills.
Remember to PM me people!!! It takes some time to prepare the night results.
Your deadline is however - 21:00 GMT+1 / 3:00pm Eastern / 07:00 GMT+10
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 10:19
whats wrong with just pevergreen? :laugh4:
PROCLAMATION
My short name to be used in lingo (ie GeneralHankercheif becomes GH)
shall be : pever or greenie. Or any other crazy things you might think up (ask me first :laugh2:)
EDIT: Wow, i have 1/2 Chance in fighting this Duel...
damn - i missed out :(
Just got to pray sasaki gets a go - if he doesn't and i drop dead for promising to challenge him next round, go figure :laugh4:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-14-2007, 13:45
sapi, my PM is not a fake. Actually I don't even know what a vangarian guard is, so how am I supposed to be able to fake it?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-14-2007, 14:19
Hi all, Heimdall here.
Though my primary mission is complete, I am NOT happy at the attempt made on my mortal guise. I would therefore like to see a few jotunish heads spiked before I return to my post.
I ask each of our kings, jarls, and champions (and others whom I've messaged or otherwise) to PM me with their un-edited role PMs. Though I am prohibited by my role from further night-searches or revealing the results of earlier night searches, nothing prevents me from serving as a clearinghouse for information and then publishing a targeting list based on your submissions to me.
If my mortal guise is destroyed, I will still see to it that such a list is published. Then we can hang or otherwise put down those giantish scum.
Skoal!
ByzantineKnight
02-14-2007, 14:23
Yup, Motep is my next suspect to look at, for various reasons:
1) powerful in Holmgang;
2) Voted Orb without a good reason; afterwards challenged Orb without a good reason.
3) he lurks alot. In other mafia games he posted on a regular basis, his absentism in this game is rather unusual for him.
I think motep may be away, hasnt posted in his mini mafia either...
Beat me to it...
Dutch_guy
02-14-2007, 15:57
sapi, my PM is not a fake. Actually I don't even know what a vangarian guard is, so how am I supposed to be able to fake it?
It isn't fake indeed, for what it's worth a killed man vouches for it.
:balloon2:
Hi all, Heimdall here.
Though my primary mission is complete, I am NOT happy at the attempt made on my mortal guise. I would therefore like to see a few jotunish heads spiked before I return to my post.
I ask each of our kings, jarls, and champions (and others whom I've messaged or otherwise) to PM me with their un-edited role PMs. Though I am prohibited by my role from further night-searches or revealing the results of earlier night searches, nothing prevents me from serving as a clearinghouse for information and then publishing a targeting list based on your submissions to me.
If my mortal guise is destroyed, I will still see to it that such a list is published. Then we can hang or otherwise put down those giantish scum.
Skoal!
I am not sure I will allow such an undertaking.
The dead who has not revealed should not send their PM to Seamus.
I will allow it for now..
Sigurd
ByzantineKnight
02-14-2007, 16:08
Hi all, Heimdall here.
Though my primary mission is complete, I am NOT happy at the attempt made on my mortal guise. I would therefore like to see a few jotunish heads spiked before I return to my post.
I ask each of our kings, jarls, and champions (and others whom I've messaged or otherwise) to PM me with their un-edited role PMs. Though I am prohibited by my role from further night-searches or revealing the results of earlier night searches, nothing prevents me from serving as a clearinghouse for information and then publishing a targeting list based on your submissions to me.
If my mortal guise is destroyed, I will still see to it that such a list is published. Then we can hang or otherwise put down those giantish scum.
Skoal!
It does seem a bit unfair for the mafia...
It does seem a bit unfair for the mafia...
Why do you care about the Jotun? :inquisitive:
It does seem a bit unfair for the mafia...
Is the game not about figuring out who the jotun are. Communication and coordination among the townie group is the key to figuring out who the bad guys are.
Now the dead should not PM anything to Seamus about their roles unless they have alreadly shared that information in the thread. I don't see how communicating with each other violates the rules.
I kinda like the idea of using the dead as a sort of database. The living can put in their role pm or any other information they want to share and they can ask the dead for information.
The dead player/database has the task to decide what information and which player(s) are/is trustworthy and what can be shared with which player.
Dead players sharing information in the thread or through pm about themselves which wasn't revealed in the thread when they were alive, seems unethical though.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-14-2007, 18:30
Is the game not about figuring out who the jotun are. Communication and coordination among the townie group is the key to figuring out who the bad guys are.
Now the dead should not PM anything to Seamus about their roles unless they have alreadly shared that information in the thread. I don't see how communicating with each other violates the rules.
Dead'uns must not do this -- nor was I requesting same. If my phrasing was off, I apologize. This was a request for info from "live" players only. If at any time Siggy asks me to desist, I will gladly do so.
My basic sense of things is this. We have a "tribe" with a very few indians and lots of chiefs and subchiefs -- a listing will help me compare and narrow who's who. Nothing can compell any of you to provide this information.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
02-14-2007, 20:31
It is done.
CountArach
02-14-2007, 21:09
whats wrong with just pevergreen? :laugh4:
PROCLAMATION
My short name to be used in lingo (ie GeneralHankercheif becomes GH)
shall be : pever or greenie. Or any other crazy things you might think up (ask me first :laugh2:)
EDIT: Wow, i have 1/2 Chance in fighting this Duel...
Greendawg?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-14-2007, 21:23
peckerwood?
HughTower
02-14-2007, 21:33
pevergreen was my King. Why do you challenge him?
Kagemusha & GH - why are you trying to kill a King? To kill the lords is part of the Jotun win condition. Or, do you not have time to catch up on the thread?
https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/RuneStone6_1.jpg
Round 5
Two pyres burning in the evening sun, black smoke rising up to the blue mixed with orange. The gathering was silent but there were still unrest in the gathering. The Viking from East, Kage, was upset with pevergreen and had challenged him to a Holmgang.
The two men were calm as they entered the ring drawn up in the crowd.
They both seemed battle hardened and did not give the crowd a show of skills with their blade. pevergreen, an young and tall man took his battle stand with his sword drawn but with the point in the dirt. Kage a seasoned man with his long blond hair tied in a braid took his battle stand opposite pevergreen and let his sword sit in its scabbard. The two men stared at each other and waited for the other to make the first move. It was Kage man who lost his impatience and with a flowing motion unsheathed his word and slashed at pevergreen's head. pevergreen blocked the vicious blow. The swords clashed together with a loud clang and were held by both men in that block position. Both men tested the strength of the other by putting more power into the sword lock. They both broke the lock at the same time and got in a nick at the other. Kage got a slash across the ribs and pevergreen got one in his left arm. Kage attacked and put pevergreen on the defence who received lots of nicks and small wounds. pevergreen was tiring and his defence became weaker and weaker. Kage pushed on and more hits found their target. pevergreen was really bleeding now and defended himself the best he could. Kage was about to finish him off, when suddenly pevergreen whirled and with a double handed slash lopped Kage’s head right off. pevergreen slumped to the ground nearly unconscious and men came and carried him away.
Kage was surprised to suddenly be at another location. “What have we here?” A woman’s voice said. “A handsome one at last”.
Seamus Fermanagh was sleeping his snores rumbling through tent , his Æsir sword hanging in its scabbard on the tent wall. As the night breeze lifted the curtains a shadow sneaked in.Thunder could be heard in the distance. The Shadow drew a knife and stood there looking at the Æsir tasting its victory. When Seamus stirred he looked up and saw a pair of golden eyes standing above him. He feigned tossing and turning in his sleep and then lunged for his great sword. He was up in a heart beat and faced the Jotun with sword in hand. The Jotun smiled fangs and rumbled: “I have little words for you great God but hear me on this: Beware of the one who claims to be" Seamus cut him off short: “Silence dirty scum, how dare you enter the presence of Heimdall unbidden?” The Jotun snarled and with inhuman speed threw his knife. Heimdall tried to block it and it hit the blade and stuck Heimdall in the chest. It would have pierced his heart. Heimdall lifted his sword and was about to stike the Jotun down when it kicked the sword out of his hands. The sword flew into the dirt outside the tent. Heimdall lunged at the Jotun and they wrestled. Both were quite strong but the Jotun was stronger. Heimdall was struggling and was about to lose when he cried out: “By Odin let this creature begone.” Suddenly the Jotun got up and stormed out of the tent. Heimdall was lying panting and could barely hear the Jotun saying: “Damn be upon all Æsir, until next time Heimdall.”
Sasaki was also sleeping in his tent. He never felt any pain as an 8 ton rock seemed to fall from the sky crushing him into the dirt under the tent. Hundred yards away a shadow laughed hard before he turned and escaped into the forest.
Tally:
Murdered (6):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Killed in Holmgang (4):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (pevergreen)
Executed (2):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Still Alive (20):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
JimBob
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster
**Voting time people**
voting ends at the usual time
Sasaki Kojiro
02-14-2007, 21:58
Thank you!
Vote:GH
Usually he is more active.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-14-2007, 22:14
It is my opinion that the Jotun are less likely to challenge. They run the risk of being beaten by a good opponent and of being revealed by taking a townie. Challengers so far:
Warluster
DonC
GH
CR
pevergreen
Kage
RR
Redleg
Omanes
Ichigo
Seamus
CF
HughTower
Motep
1. Warluster vs. Prole
2. DonC vs. Omanes
3. GH vs. pevergreen
4. CR vs. Sasaki
5. pevergreen vs. Sasaki
6. Kage vs. pevergreen
1. Reenk Roink vs. Seamus
2. Redleg vs. Ichigo
3. Omanes vs. Tom Hagen
4. Ichigo vs. Reenk Roink
5. Seamus vs. Reenk Roink
6. CF vs. Omanes
1. Omanes vs. Husar
2. Tom Hagen vs. Omanes
3. Kagemusha vs. Omanes
4. Lord Motep vs. Orb
5. Ichigo vs. Sasaki
6. Crazed Rabbit vs. GH
1 Tom Hagen vs. Caius Flaminus
2 Kagemusha vs. Seamus
3 Ichigo vs. CountArach
4 HughTower vs. Redleg
5 Crazed Rabbit vs. GH
6 Lord Motep vs. Orb
Motep did have a high score than his opponent so he bears close looking at. Now, the challengers aren't proved innocent by any stretch, especially the day ones. But we should look at them later, see if we can roust out the jotun who haven't challenged.
Putting motep on the suspects list and eliminating the above, we have:
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
CountArach
Husar
JimBob
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Proletariat
sapi
Sir Boo
Stig
Some of these seem suspicious, some seem innocent, some haven't posted enough. I would like to take a closer look at:
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
JimBob
Sir Boo
Stig
So, let us start with Alexander. He lurked in capo succesfully, perhaps he is trying the same here. Let's get a bandwagon rolling and force him to post, cross examine him, and see if anything turns up.
Motep also needs to claim, but we don't need vote pressure just yet.
Dutch_guy
02-14-2007, 22:24
Should it be necessary, I could vouch for Motep...
He's no Jotun, neither am I - obviously
:balloon2:
You were playing?, i didnt remember a single post of you
edit:Horror type
Maybe someone can help me with a few problems...
1. I cannot remember when Sir Boo, Alexander the Pretty Good and CountArach posted for the last time.
2. The last and only thing I remember from Warluster is that he challenged Proletariat, does he have anything else to do or are challenges(challenging prole for idling, I remember more posts from her than from him, but maybe I'm stupid) all we can expect from him?:sweatdrop:
You were playing?, i didnt remember a single post of you
He was killed in round two or so.
Dutch_guy
02-14-2007, 22:30
You were playing?, i didnt remember a single post of you
edit:Horror type
Ehm, take a look at the first few pages. Oh,Wait, there's a couple of posts on this page alone...
Me not posting that much here is mainly due to me getting killed night one*. However, this time I'm going to try and stay with the game, after death.
* hmmz might as well have been night two, who's keeping track anyway ? ~;)
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-14-2007, 22:39
Ok, Dutch_guy can vouch for motep.
Can anyone vouch for these guys?
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
JimBob
Sir Boo
Stig
We have the capability to kill 2 suspects a round. I move that we put a restriction on challenges from now on. The town should instead do a 2nd vote on who should be challenged in holmgang, and pevergreen should try for them. We have 20 left, after killing 6 suspects we'll have 8 left at least. This should be doable.
Kagemusha
02-14-2007, 22:58
A good death i say.No more earthly misery and i can feast and fight in Valhalla until end of days. Sasaki why you thanked also becouse of my death?:inquisitive: And why you suggest the Jotun Pevergreen to challence people to Homgang when there is Seamus,Heimdahl,who can kill the Jotun in fair fight?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-14-2007, 23:04
The suggestion to pevergreen to challenge is another form of "pressure vote" by Sasaki. Quite possibly an effective tactic, albeit more risky than a standard pressure vote.
He believes that jotun will try to duck challenges -- especially if the voted for target is another jotun or a potential high-holmganger.
Kagemusha
02-14-2007, 23:07
Or maybe Sasaki and Pevergreen are both Jotun? Or Seamus, do you have some evidence which might help us to believe this is not the case? Edit: Oh should have read the whole story.
It seems Sasaki cant be a Jotun.But what tells us that Pevergreen is not one?
Since I still believe that Pevergreen is quilty (for reasons see other days):
Vote: Pevergreen, his Holmgang is to high for a Jarl imo
Or maybe Sasaki and Pevergreen are both Jotun? Or Seamus, do you have some evidence which might help us to believe this is not the case?
I somehow doubt that since Sasaki is murdered ~D
btw who's Pevergreens champion?
Kagemusha
02-14-2007, 23:18
It seems that this game is turning out very intresting.
It seems that this game is turning out very intresting. I challenched Pevergreen and fought Omanes. I think people here can draw their conclusions from that.
Strange, read this:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426228&postcount=903
Omanes proclaims to be a king and so does Pevergreen. Now if Pevergreen is the king and Omanes is his champion, why did he post that? :whip:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-14-2007, 23:24
It is remotely possible that Sasaki is an undisclosed pro-jotun Aesir who allowed himself to be killed in order to create the perfect alibi. I would not like to place any significant money on that one, however.
pevergreen's primary claim to nobility is being vouched for by HughTower, who died in a Holmgang and made it to Valhalla.
His holmgang score -- claimed an "8" -- would make him more powerful than me -- a god -- though less powerful than Loki (Reenk claimed a "9"). Of course, he simply could have been throwing out a bigger number as a means of discouraging challenges. If that was his tactic of choice, well, ooops -- that dog don't hunt.
Kagemusha
02-14-2007, 23:26
Strange, read this:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426228&postcount=903
Omanes proclaims to be a king and so does Pevergreen. Now if Pevergreen is the king and Omanes is his champion, why did he post that? :whip:
I think in order to confuse the Jotun. I wouldnt put now either high on the suspect list, since it is sure now that they have a special relationship.
Ah.. damn.
Sorry about that Kagemusha.
It was me who did that mistake. You should have fought pevergreen instead of Omanes.
It was your match that the die picked. It was me who somehow put Omanes in the ring with you...
If you desire I shall redo the Holmgang with pevergreen as you oponent.
Kagemusha
02-14-2007, 23:37
Ah.. damn.
Sorry about that Kagemusha.
It was me who did that mistake. You should have fought pevergreen instead of Omanes.
It was your match that the die picked. It was me who somehow put Omanes in the ring with you...
If you desire I shall redo the Holmgang with pevergreen as you oponent.
Oh crap. If you can do that somehow without braking the game it would be good.If not il stay in the Glorius halls of Valhalla with pleasure.:bow:
Seamus Fermanagh
02-14-2007, 23:38
Interesting point my dead friend.
I think I shall send over a couple of select Valkyries (combine the most interesting features that Lars and Fragony post in the Babe thread and take it from there...) with a tun of my special dark ale to your table at Odin's hall.
No shame in getting waxed, just as long as you died with your face toward the enemy and a blade in your hand.
Edit: See Siggy's post above -- this crossed in the ether. I will not redact it, but will note it is no longer of direct relevance.
pevergreen and Omanes have some form of link:
King and Champion
King and Jarl
Jarl and Champion
Bad juju god who can make Omanes a zombie to fight for whomever
-- note, this last is a reminder to all to be careful with your assumptions. I don not consider it very probable.
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 23:44
I didnt know anything of Omanes until he posted that. Hughtower is/was my champion. But he is dead.
EDIT: After seeing it was a mistake. Im happy to fight in it.
Kagemusha
02-14-2007, 23:45
Lets just take it easy and wait Sigurd to fix things so we dont mess up the game gentlemen.:bow:
pevergreen
02-14-2007, 23:55
:bow:
Vote: Stig How else do you want me to prove myself?
:bow:
Vote: Stig How else do you want me to prove myself?
Well posting your real Role-PM for example. Or making yourself less suspicious ... counter-voting is suspicious as well imo. You don't vote for me because you think I'm suspicious, you vote for me because I voted for you.
But let's stop voting ... as you might still lose your holmgang
And if you want to revenge yourself, challenge me
pevergreen
02-15-2007, 00:02
I will if i survive.
I have said many times. I deleted my role pm.
Thats a weak defense for a jotun eh?
then again, WIFOM
fixed as pr. request by Kagemusha
Sigurd
Kagemusha
02-15-2007, 00:12
Allright.I will now continue the afterlife. I hope that the beutifull womans voice was not Hela. Damned where did i put my head now,how is man supposed to coordinate efforts around in afterlife when i loose my head already.:viking:
GeneralHankerchief
02-15-2007, 00:17
Let's let Wrath of Sigurd take care of the lurkers.
Vote: Abstain
I admit that my participation in this game has been minimal, and for that I apologize. Right now my major .Org attention has been focused on Mafia VI and the KotR PBM (the siege of Bern thing). I think that I will be most useful challenging suspicious people in order to find more about their Holmgang rating, since my rating is a 2 and I would easily be crushed.
Sasaki, tell me how to vote.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 00:19
Let's put the pressure on Alexander.
Come on town, work together.
Crazed Rabbit
02-15-2007, 01:11
Vote: Alexander
To draw out the lurkers.
Crazed Rabbit
Kralizec
02-15-2007, 01:16
I'm still suspicious about Pevergreen.
Vote: Pevergreen
You claimed a Holmgang score of 8. That's ridiculously high for any human role. Seamus argued that you might simply have typed a high number to discourage challenges, but from townies you can expect not to be challenged if you act normal and politely, and a high Holmgang score would make you an priority target for the Jotun's nightly killings.
I don't believe your "I deleted my role PM" excuse without question. You were in the Capo game so you know how important it can be to be able to show (part of) your role description. Any thinking person would at least have stored the name and Holmgang rating.
Waiting for your defense...
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 01:21
HughTower confirmed pever. The base for king is 6. If pever has a couple extra for "war lord" or whatever he could have 8.
pever has also been sending a lot of pm's.
pevergreen
02-15-2007, 01:25
Have I? I sent one to King of King's to explain why i couldnt accept him into the Warcraft: Total War group. That was the last one i sent.
Alright, my duel score was 7. It got raised by a point by winning the duel to 8.
Hi there Pg...
You won the Holmgang against Kagemusha with the exact same result as against Omanes...
This means you get a bonus point to your Holmgang ability.
new stat: 8
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 01:31
hmm, that pm is a little weird. Seamus, motep?
Kralizec
02-15-2007, 01:31
Allright, good enough.
EDIT: wait, you misspelled Sigurd's name.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 01:33
This game needs more votes on Alexander.
GeneralHankerchief
02-15-2007, 01:34
Unvote: Abstain
Vote: Alexander the Pretty Good
pevergreen
02-15-2007, 01:37
I missspelt it? Well i copied the text so maybe i did.
Unvote: Stig Vote: Alexander
Pressure vote.
hmm, that pm is a little weird. Seamus, motep?
Sigurd raises the holmgang score for each victory. This was discussed earlier in the thread.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 01:50
Sigurd raises the holmgang score for each victory. This was discussed earlier in the thread.
Yes. The wording is like that?
Kralizec
02-15-2007, 01:50
Allright, for now at least I'll assume Pevergreen is innocent.
Unvote: Pevergreen
LIAR
Sigurd Fanesblade
when it is Fafnesbane
The Pm was made, Im thinking Pevergreen is Jotun
GeneralHankerchief
02-15-2007, 01:57
He could have just copy and pasted the PM and put the quote brackets in manually.
I hope...
Unvote:GH
Vote:Pevergreen
ByzantineKnight
02-15-2007, 02:21
Why do you care about the Jotun? :inquisitive:
Lol, I'm dead, I don't care about them (I went to valhala), I just don't like playing unbalenced games.
Is the game not about figuring out who the jotun are. Communication and coordination among the townie group is the key to figuring out who the bad guys are.
Now the dead should not PM anything to Seamus about their roles unless they have alreadly shared that information in the thread. I don't see how communicating with each other violates the rules.
I doesn't, I just said it sounds a little unfair, the game will be done in 3 rounds.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-15-2007, 02:38
pevergreen:
What are we to do with you?
Did Sigurd break frame a bit and assign you the role of Epimetheus?
Assuming you are a King, your NEW holmgang would be 7, not 8.
A Jarl would have gone from 5 to 6 with one win.
Nor does the format for your holmgang increase notice follow the format that Sigurd commonly uses. Is he using a different format with you? Possibly, but you provided us with nothing more than a summary, veiled as a quotation. Another deleted PM no doubt.
So far, the only reason NOT to vote for you to be lynched was provided by HughTower. We know he died (holmgang) and went to Valhalla. He claimed to be your champion. I am inclined to believe him....but brother you are making this difficult.
I will NOT vote for you, for the present, but you make it harder and harder for us to believe Hugh.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-15-2007, 02:40
Vote: Omanes ... for stepping into the pevergreen/Kagemusha duel and lopping off Kage's head in the last couple of lines.
:laugh4: j/k
Unvote: Omanes
I'd like to hear from Alex himself too. I hear good things about him, but not from him....
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 02:46
pevergreen:
What are we to do with you?
Did Sigurd break frame a bit and assign you the role of Epimetheus?
Assuming you are a King, your NEW holmgang would be 7, not 8.
A Jarl would have gone from 5 to 6 with one win.
Nor does the format for your holmgang increase notice follow the format that Sigurd commonly uses. Is he using a different format with you? Possibly, but you provided us with nothing more than a summary, veiled as a quotation. Another deleted PM no doubt.
So far, the only reason NOT to vote for you to be lynched was provided by HughTower. We know he died (holmgang) and went to Valhalla. He claimed to be your champion. I am inclined to believe him....but brother you are making this difficult.
I will NOT vote for you, for the present, but you make it harder and harder for us to believe Hugh.
Ah, but Redleg said he had a bonus for being a war veteran. Omanes had 6 as king, I guess pever started at 7. If he's lying, then hughtower was Jotun, except hughtower had a similar holmgang to redleg.
Ah, but Redleg said he had a bonus for being a war veteran. Omanes had 6 as king, I guess pever started at 7. If he's lying, then hughtower was Jotun, except hughtower had a similar holmgang to redleg.
Actually I believe my wording was that I was a jarl who was also a war vetern, and my initial holmgang was 5. The win in the holmgang raised my score by 1.
I don't remember claiming that my war vetern status gave me a bonus.
Seamus Fermanagh
02-15-2007, 05:17
Busy R/L schedule tomorrow. I'll Vote: Abstain for now and try to check in the morning if I have time. Not sure I'll be back before the lynch.
Keep those cards and letters coming folks!
CountArach
02-15-2007, 06:43
Vote: Alexander
Another pressure vote.
pevergreen
02-15-2007, 07:14
I manually copied the text. will edit this post copying the page.
Private Message: Holmgang...
Today, 09:04
Sigurd Fafnesbane
MASTER Berserker
Member
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Bergen, Norway
Posts: 2,412
Holmgang...
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Hi there Pg...
You won the Holmgang against Kagemusha with the exact same result as against Omanes...
This means you get a bonus point to your Holmgang ability.
new stat: 8
__________________
"from the fury of the Northmen, O Lord, deliver us!"
GMT + 10 times.
CountArach
02-15-2007, 07:48
Wait now that I think about things further, I will:
Unvote: Alexander
Vote: Sasaki
The reason is that Sasaki seems to be just throwing the town in random directions and not analysing posting as much. From memory this is completely at odds with his normal posting style.
Warluster
02-15-2007, 07:59
Your voting for an dead person? it's pretty rough to lynch an dead body.
Anyway, all jokes aside, in response to Sir Boo's post of how I have not been doing anything but challenging you are very wrong. me challengeing Prole was my very first Challenge, and I have posted when i can (I have work and sleep to think of) What of you Sir Boo? I have heard not a lot from you the whole game? You have been lurking until now, why the sudden change?
Vote: pever
Three points
1) You spelt it wrong
2) Why would you have that pm but not your role one?
3) War veteran does not increase your holmgang score as a king (afaik)
I'd like to hear from Alex himself too. I hear good things about him, but not from him....
I can step in for him (and if someone needs to step in for me let Seamus post my role-PM he has it as well), the problem is that he isn't active, I've pm'ed him some time back (2 days) and he hasn't answered, even tho it shows that he does visit the forums. Next to that he never posts anywhere, when I last checked his profile, just to see if anything could be wrong with my pm'ing.
Count Arach: Sasaki is throwing the town around because he's death. I'm even beginning to believe Seamus when he said:
It is remotely possible that Sasaki is an undisclosed pro-jotun Aesir who allowed himself to be killed in order to create the perfect alibi. I would not like to place any significant money on that one, however.
Three points
1) You spelt it wrong
2) Why would you have that pm but not your role one?
3) War veteran does not increase your holmgang score as a king (afaik)
Four points actually, for this entire thread Sigurd has called pevergreen pevergreen, not Pg
I forgot to mention that, but you're right :yes:
Alexander the Pretty Good
02-15-2007, 08:49
Vote: Alexander for not being really active.
I'm sorry I haven't been posting much, it's just that Capo left me kinda drained from all the intrigue. And I don't want to read dozens of pages of back-and-forth again. :help:
CountArach
02-15-2007, 09:23
Unvote: Sasaki... because he is dead...
Current Tally:
No vote: 12
Abstains: 1
AtPG: 4
pever: 3
pevergreen
02-15-2007, 10:45
I suppose sigurd cant confirm he sent that PM anyway.
1) I spelt it wrong initially becuase i copy pasted the text. I thought it was fanesblade.
2) I have that one because he sent it to me today....
3) My new score is 8, its what he sent me.
I dont know why he called bg Pg it seemed he was in a hurry.
Warluster
02-15-2007, 11:23
but why would you be chosen to be upgraded in your Holmgang score? Why not the hordes of other people who have fought in Holmgang? If someone steps forward and says they have also been upgraded before, or if you provide a good enough argument pg, then I am afraid I will have to-
Vote:pevergreen
pever still gets my vote, but I'm sure i remember reading that winning a holmgang ups your score
That doesn't change the other issues though
pevergreen
02-15-2007, 11:45
The win in the holmgang raised my score by 1.
but why would you be chosen to be upgraded in your Holmgang score? Why not the hordes of other people who have fought in Holmgang? If someone steps forward and says they have also been upgraded before, or if you provide a good enough argument pg, then I am afraid I will have to-
Vote:pevergreen I won. Read the thread
Unvote Alexander, Vote: Warluster
Not reading something that had been confirmed multiple times.
FoS: sapi Same reason.
EDIT: Grandma up, have to get off. I have no chance to defend myself.
Why the FoS pever?
I pointed out exactly what you said; but you still haven't convinced me that you're legit.
Vote: Warluster
It was not Sir Boo who accused you, it was me, you somehow act weird.
Plus I explained my line of not voting for a possible lord before. Since we have not reached any consensus on pever, he can go, for now...
Husar, you have a point.
While i'm not certain about pever, it'd do us no good to lose another lord.
Suspended for now, but the onus of proof is still on him.
Unvote: pever
Vote: Abstain
Seamus Fermanagh
02-15-2007, 13:11
Vote: Warluster
You are too ready to axe someone who has been claimed to be a townie lord by one of the Einheriar. I too am vexed with his PM discipline, but note above my conclusion was NOT to kill (at least yet). Also, his most recent PM from Siggy was made quickly and in response to an edit of the previous write-up that required correction. It therefore carries a higher chance for Siggy to have abbreviated/used non-standard format as he was catching up.
I am reluctant to axe Alex simply for lurking -- and someone is vouching for him as well. This deserves to be checked out first.
As others have said, I too would like to here from Motep and K-Khan and a few others too.
Back only c. 4PM EST
ByzantineKnight
02-15-2007, 14:36
Vote: Warluster
Bold it (if you want it to count...)
KukriKhan
02-15-2007, 15:53
So AtpG has been drawn out, and claims game-fatigue. Fine.
To continue the process of elimination:
vote: Motep
Good analysis & plan, Sasaki and Seamus :bow:
A lot of people are lurking, which is dangerous, Prole, Motep, AtPG, Jimbob, Sir Boo, Fenring.
Prole was very succesfull in Capo, even tho they lost. I think it would be stupid to use the same tactic twice, but I don't know if they did it before.
Motep is very active normally.
Jimbob hasn't posted anything.
Sir Boo has been more active in other games, take Argentum Mafia for example, which is active even now.
I can stand in for AtPG.
Fenring said he was busy with real life, as all the others, but I think I believe him.
No vote: 10
Abstains: 2
AtPG: 3
pever: 2
Motep: 1
Warluster: 2 (3, but Seamus didn't bold it)
Don Corleone
02-15-2007, 16:27
I still think Omanes is guilty. I'm too tired of repeating my accusations, with nobody bothering to answer them, Omanes included. When the town is dead, and Omanes and his Jotun buddies have won, expect many, many sour-grapes.
So, who do I think are his partners? (Pevergreen and Hughtower?)
Vote: Motep
Edit: Sorry, that was confusing. There was supposed to be a touch of irony associated with Pevergreen and Hughtower. I think Motep is one of Omanes' parnters. I have no idea who the 3rd Jotun is.
Proletariat
02-15-2007, 16:27
V: Abstain until I catch up.
Have read through everything I missed now, I think I trust Pevergreen for 1 more round:
Redleg confirmed the extra points for winning a Holmgang
His reasons for 1, 3 and 4 seem valid too.
I just think his Holmgang is too high, I believe a Jarl has 5 or 6 (if I'm correct, have to check a PM for that).
Next to that Husar is right.
So:
Unvote: Pevergreen
Vote: Abstain
For now, tho I think lynching a lurker will do, Jimbob seems a good target and so is Motep.
Dutch_guy
02-15-2007, 17:09
Vote: Motep
Edit: Sorry, that was confusing. There was supposed to be a touch of irony associated with Pevergreen and Hughtower. I think Motep is one of Omanes' parnters. I have no idea who the 3rd Jotun is.
Motep isn't Omanes' partner, and he's not a Jotun. He's just a townie, and other than a dead man's word (he'll probably second me soon...) I have nothing to offer which would be allowed, according to the rules...
:balloon2:
So you dont believe pevergreen pm is fake, ah?
I dont believe you, pevergreen
I'm just wondering. Omanes claims to be a Jarl, who is his Champion in that case?
So you dont believe pevergreen pm is fake, ah?
I dont believe you, pevergreen
Normally we vote in that case
Dutch_guy
02-15-2007, 17:25
I'm just wondering. Omanes claims to be a Jarl, who is his Champion in that case?
The PM is sufficient, one does not need to give the Jotun another name, one who is proven to be innocent...
:balloon2:
The PM is sufficient, one does not need to give the Jotun another name, one who is proven to be innocent...
:balloon2:
Aye true, but I would like someone to step in to support Omanes. As I can step in for AtPG, and you for Motep. Doesn't have to post his exact role, you and I didn't. But since Omanes might be the lord that would mean that one who steps in is his Champion, as they know for sure that they are both innocent.
Dutch_guy
02-15-2007, 17:44
Aye true, but I would like someone to step in to support Omanes. As I can step in for AtPG, and you for Motep. Doesn't have to post his exact role, you and I didn't. But since Omanes might be the lord that would mean that one who steps in is his Champion, as they know for sure that they are both innocent.
I can verify Omanes' innocence, the PM is real.
:balloon2:
Alexander the Pretty Good
02-15-2007, 18:04
Unvote: Alexander
Vote: Abstain
Don't really want the axe. :sweatdrop:
Looking through some of the recent posts, well, I don't know what to think. So I'll abstain.
V: Abstain until I catch up.
That's a bit lame, don't you think?
If it wasn't for Warluster behaving even worse and challenging you...
Husar, you have a point.
Next to that Husar is right.
:bow:
*taps himself on back*
finally some people get my point.~D
I still think Omanes is guilty. I'm too tired of repeating my accusations, with nobody bothering to answer them, Omanes included. When the town is dead, and Omanes and his Jotun buddies have won, expect many, many sour-grapes.
So, who do I think are his partners? (Pevergreen and Hughtower?)
Vote: Motep
Edit: Sorry, that was confusing. There was supposed to be a touch of irony associated with Pevergreen and Hughtower. I think Motep is one of Omanes' parnters. I have no idea who the 3rd Jotun is.
Nice to see you have your old name back.:2thumbsup:
So how did you get the idea of Omanes and Motep being partners?
They both claimed lord IIRC, I just wonder why all the Jotun should claim being lords, it would be a bit obvious if they aren't getting killed, wouldn't it?:inquisitive:
Reenk Roink
02-15-2007, 18:27
Um, you townies do know how sad going after lurkers is?
Most lurkers are people who lose interest because they have nothing to do. Most people don't want to be "just a townie". I point to my example. With the exception of Capo de Tutti Capi, where I had a passive role and communicated through email most of the time, I have always posted a lot more when I have some sort of role.
78 posts in this game - Loki
76 posts in Mafia V - The Wanax (mafia)
51 posts in Rise of the Mob - Mafia
The other games see me posting around 10-20 depending on the length of the game...
Going after lurkers is a surefire way to not get Mafia and make me lose this game. I really should have sided with the Jotun... :no: :shame: :annoyed:
Crazed Rabbit
02-15-2007, 18:43
Unvote: Alexander
Vote: Warluster
For his continued pursuit of pevergreen.
CR
Dutch_guy
02-15-2007, 18:48
They both claimed lord IIRC, I just wonder why all the Jotun should claim being lords, it would be a bit obvious if they aren't getting killed, wouldn't it?:inquisitive:
Omanes' PM is clean, and I haven't seen Motep claim Lord at all...
:balloon2:
Omanes' PM is clean, and I haven't seen Motep claim Lord at all...
Then I remembered incorrectly. There were so many people claiming this or that, I didn't really keep track.:sweatdrop:
When was the last time he posted anyway?:inquisitive:
he may be a lynch candidate for the next round.
And listening to Loki is a surefire way to fall for his lies as it turned out, makes me wonder why he still bothers to post here.~;)
Reenk Roink
02-15-2007, 20:42
And listening to Loki is a surefire way to fall for his lies as it turned out, makes me wonder why he still bothers to post here.~;)
Ichigo is Jotun. He tried to twist and run away with some of Sig's words, but it didn't work...
Wait now that I think about things further, I will:
Unvote: Alexander
Vote: Sasaki
The reason is that Sasaki seems to be just throwing the town in random directions and not analysing posting as much. From memory this is completely at odds with his normal posting style.
Vote : CountArach
He pops up and votes for a dead guy. A poor attempt to make you look innocent, since the Jotun, they off course would know who they killed, wouldn't they?
Unless somebody stands up for you in the thread or through pm or I see your role pm in this thread or through pm, I won't change my vote.
"Mistakenly" voting for a dead one seems too "how silly about me, but hey, this proves I'm innocent" to me...
Oh, and I like Sasaki's plan, but you guys seemed to have missed the vote for a challenge part of it.
I want pevergreen to challenge a lurker, for instance Jimbob. Challenges are for the night phase, so maybe you can all start thinking about who you want to see fight who, so we can present a "most wanted challenges"- list during the night phase.
Pfew, talking about "Just In Time".
Sorry for not contributing this day. Real life kept me busy. A whole day of lectures about administrative simplification.
I feel very confused about that particular topic right now.
Guess they still have alot of work to do ~:confused:
The men and women of the three kingdoms gathered again at the runestone with another suspect in shackles. Warluster was brought forth to the Hovgod who looked Waruster in the eyes. “So… we have another that you all think is guilty?” The chorus of the crowd nodded and shouted “aye”.
The old man turned to the crowd and pointed at a warrior: “You… and the fellow next to you, take this suspect over to the pole.” He then pointed at another: “You take this spear and execute your prisoner.” The old man gave the spear he was holding to the man who took the spear and made ready. Warluster looked defiantly at his executioner. “I shall reap my reward in Valhall, kill me now if you must.” The Warrior holding the spear threw it and it found the heart of Waluster who died quickly.
Warluster was greeted by a sweet woman’s voice and the scent of fresh air: “Welcome strong one, I will take care of you.”
Voting:
No Votes: 6 (CountA, JimBob, Fenring, Lord Motep, Omanes, Sir Boo)
Abstains: 4 (AtPG, Prole, sapi, Stig)
Warluster: 4 (CR, Husar, pever, Seamus)
Pever: 2 (CF, Warluster)
CountA: 1 (Andres)
AtPG: 1 (GH)
Lord Motep: 2 (DonC, Kukri)
Tally:
Murdered (6):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Killed in Holmgang (4):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
Executed (3):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Warluster
WoG (1)
JimBob
Still Alive (18):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
CountArach
Crazed Rabbit
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Tom Hagen
Warluster
*** Challenges and PMs people ***
Seamus Fermanagh
02-15-2007, 22:00
Yeesh!
All we seem to be doing with our lynches is adding to the ranks of the Einheriar. As Heimdall I approve, but as a "townie" I.....yeesh.
General Hankerchief could do with a challenge I think. What say the gathering, should we select him to receive a challenge? And from whom?
Sasaki, did you have a system for this?
So you want us to vote on who challenges who?
Sounds good, atleast we get the battle we want. Lets do it like this:
Select: [insert name]
To challenge: [insert name]
The one with the most selections should challenge the one who is most often named in the To Challenge part
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 22:08
I say we should have pevergreen challange stig. one challenge only.
He and countArach both tried to cast suspicion on me for my plan, they sound worried. And stig was rolefishing, trying to find out who omane's champion was.
Atpg is not the least in the clear, the fact that he shows up means he's been reading, and wasn't it stig who vouched for him?
Warluster was obviously not the choice for lynch.
HughTower
02-15-2007, 22:40
Stig also abstained from the last vote. Nothing to worry about in itself, but in combination with Sasaki's points, a vital tell, perhaps?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 22:44
I think I'd rather go for CountArach in the challenges.
I was a bit late with my prosecution of CountArach...
Ok, let's use the system proposed by Stig.
Select: pevergreen
Challenge: CountArach
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 22:50
Should be "to challange"...
Should be "to challange"...
Nope, "to challenge".
:inquisitive:
Wtf? What happened to you? Did you become my personal English teacher?
Should be "to challange"...
I think we all know what he means :laugh4:
So we want Pevergreen to challenge Count Arach? I'll "bandwagon" then, makes sense imo
Select: Pevergreen
Challenge: Count Arach
Sasaki Kojiro
02-15-2007, 22:56
Nope, "to challenge".
:inquisitive:
Wtf? What happened to you? Did you become my personal English teacher?
You are now going to duel CountArach :laugh4:
You are now going to duel CountArach :laugh4:
Good point :laugh4:
You are now going to duel CountArach :laugh4:
Oh damn :shame:
:laugh4:
You are now going to duel CountArach :laugh4:
And so is Stig.:laugh4:
What a great idea.~:rolleyes:
And so is Stig.:laugh4:
What a great idea.~:rolleyes:
No, luckely I forgot to bold my votes
help :surrender:
Twink it five times after challenging someone
pevergreen
02-16-2007, 00:28
Me challanging CA?
Challange: Count Arach
KukriKhan
02-16-2007, 04:20
Yeesh!
All we seem to be doing with our lynches is adding to the ranks of the Einheriar. As Heimdall I approve, but as a "townie" I.....yeesh.
Point taken. But without a detective character to accumulate & assimilate data, townies have no alternative but to strike out in the dark - even if it means another innocent townie is killed.
As long as one Jarl or King survives, the Jotun fail in their mission, if I read the game conditions correctly.
To force that failure is the mission of we remaining 15-16 remaining non-Jotun (RR says ichigo was Jotun; if true, then it's 16 good guys vs. 2 bad guys. If not it's 15 vs. the original 3 bad guys).
No challenge from me; I'm content to see the result of the pev vs. CArach contest, so we can devine Holgang stats, and therefore likely roles; + the night-time murder scenario. Both should narrow the field of suspects to a more mangeable level.
How much time do we have to solve? 2 days? 4?
CountArach
02-16-2007, 04:54
Select: Pevergreen
To Challenge: CountArach
Sure, why not?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-16-2007, 05:20
Well, it's not certain. Normally the town loses when their numbers equal the mafia. But, we can kill two mafia in one day here.
Hmm 18 alive. 3 more dead by morning. That's fifteen. Two rounds after that and we are at 7--lynch or lose. Even lynching will require some luck. Fortunately in 2 rounds we get 4 kills.
Alexander the Pretty Good
CountArach
JimBob
Sir Boo
Stig
Jimbob is dead and I have reason to leave atpg and stig for now. Count will either be dead or revealed tonight. That leaves us with Sir Boo for tomorrow. I have others to consider but perhaps the jotun will kill them.
CountArach
02-16-2007, 05:46
I don't know why I am on that list...
I've provided ample proof that a Jotun would never go too Valhalla, but yet you still doubt my innocence. sheesh
Guys, i'll vouch for CountArach being innocent - don't waste your vote.
I can confirm to you that Count Arach and sapi are "clean".
I still want to hear from Lord Motep :inquisitive:
KukriKhan
02-16-2007, 12:32
Guys, i'll vouch for CountArach being innocent - don't waste your vote.
It's not really a wasted vote, or a 'vote' at all, as in a lynching. It's a suggested challenge, that has been taken up, to help clear the list of possible Jotun suspects.
Challenge:Lord Motep.
Lurking big time
Challenge:Lord Motep.
Lurking big time
Why do I always get the idea that you simply ignore everyone else?:inquisitive:
Why do I always get the idea that you simply ignore everyone else?:inquisitive:
Vote: CF? :bounce:
Why do I always get the idea that you simply ignore everyone else?:inquisitive:
Im trying to making Lord Motep talking.
Vote: CF
:inquisitive:
Im trying to making Lord Motep talking.
We said we wanted one person to challenge the other, so we can know for sure who's who.
Besides Motep hasn't been on since the 9th, if he's Jotun he isn't active, let the WoG take care of him. Unless you're a Jotun ofcourse, trying to get a cheap lynch
Bolded or not, the following challenges will be considered: (Don’t say you haven’t had time to edit your posts)
1. Andres vs. CountA
2. Stig vs. CountA
3. pevergreen vs. CountA
4. CF vs. Lord Motep
I didn't bold my vote m8, how come I'm in
Seamus Fermanagh
02-16-2007, 17:10
I suggest that challenges 1, 2, and 3 be withdrawn. I believe the results of challenge number 4 will be of greatest use.
Bolded or not, the following challenges will be considered: (Don’t say you haven’t had time to edit your posts)
Hey, come on Sigurd.
I didn't edit my post because the little discussion with Sasaki and Stig afterwards was so funny. Editing it would have deprived others from a few good laughs.
I don't want to fight. I'm a weakling :bigcry:
I suggest that challenges 1, 2, and 3 be withdrawn. I believe the results of challenge number 4 will be of greatest use.
Err, why dont you fight then?
Seamus Fermanagh
02-16-2007, 17:27
Err, why dont you fight then?
Both you and Motep are persons of interest for me. Regardless of the result, I will have fewer people to evaluate and more data with which to do so.
I have already holmganged my chosen target. I can aid the town in waxing a confirmed baddy at the group's request -- but I want jotuns under my blade, not mortals.
Im sure im going to lost.
But i challenged anyway.Not like others :bounce:
Well Motep ain't no Jotun imo. He hasn't been active since the 9th, how can he send PMs if he isn't active?
Dutch_guy
02-16-2007, 17:58
Motep is no Jotun, and I don't believe Caius can possibly beat Motep anyhow.
Motep is an innocent, CF doesn't seem guilty. A waste of a challenge.
If possible, withdraw. Challenge number 4 will do the town no good, at all.
:balloon2:
I didn't bold my vote m8, how come I'm in
The bolding is not an absolute rule. It is just a guide to help the narrator to spot votes.
In other words Bold to get the narrator's attention. That the narrator like me choose to count votes not bolded is nothing special. I have counted unbolded votes in this game (ref. Seamus) and will continue to do so.
You challenged CountA 18 hours ago and have had ample time to edit your post, Andres have had at least 18 hours to edit his.
I have practiced 'once challenged you can't back out' and will continue to do so.
Hence the challenges stand as they are.
BTW, if you really want to increase the chances of pever fighting CountA, why not let CountA challenge pever as a fifth challenge.
Sigurd
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
This cheers me up.
I do suspect a few of the chellenged or challengers but I've been waiting all the time for people to completely mess up the challenges because they are overeager.:2thumbsup:
CountArach
02-16-2007, 20:43
Challenge: Pevergreen
1. Andres vs. CountA
2. Stig vs. CountA
3. pever vs. CountA
4. CF vs. Lord Motep
5. CountA vs. pever
Round 6 is about to begin...
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Round 6
The men and women of the three kingdoms were confident that they had got a Jotun this time. Some were not so sure though and they scowled at the others.
One such person was Stig he wasn’t so sure that they had got a Jotun this time and scowled at CountArach.
CountA did not like the look Stig gave him and gave the sign of stupid to him. Stig took this as a personal insult and challenged CountA to a Holmgang “Right here and now!!”
People gathered around and gave way until the crowd made the unmistakably circle for such events.
The two combatants made ready and measured each others ability, but it was hard to tell. To the crowed they seemed evenly matched. CounterArach drew his sword from his scabbard with in a slow motion. The sword a beautiful Frankish blade gleamed in the evening sun. Stig let his stay in its scabbard a little while longer.
Seeing that Stig did not unsheathe his sword, CountA attacked. It was a well practiced attack with an overhand right slash and with a return of a upward left slash. Stig ducked the first but got nicked on the follow up. CountA was about to continue with another combination but Stig had his sword out in a heartbeat and blocked with the sound of steel on steel. Stig was bleeding from the slash he got and was quite frustrated with the prospect of losing. He ignored the pain and returned CountA’s furious attacks. He countered when there was an opening. It paid off as CountA received his first wound. The fight became more even, but Stig was still bleeding and hurting from his wound. Both received several nicks and small wounds the following minutes and they were both tiring fast.
CountA suddenly pulled a knife and fought now with two weapons. Stig seemed to know what to do as he parried the new style of attack but he was now so tired that all he could do was defend himself. He kicked blindly into the body of CountA who had to step away. Stig took the opportunity to step a few step away from CountA to regain composure. CountA saw that he had Stig now and started for Stig. As he took his first step he slipped in the mud and went down face first. He never recovered because his knife was draining the blood from his heart. CountA found himself looking over the shoulders of a beautiful blonde. They were riding hard for some unknown destination to CountA. She turned and smiled. “I shall bring you home to where you belong, handsome.” CountA smiled back and knew this was not too bad. To hell with Stig, he was going to enjoy this.
Crazed Rabbit was sleeping hard and never noticed the huge Jotun that stood over him. The Jotun laughed with a rumbling sound and grabbed Crazed Rabbit around the neck and lifted him up. CR threw his eyes up and looked right into two golden eyes with a large white and fanged smile. CR could not get a word out of his mouth as the Jotun had a firm grip on his throat. “I hope you like to fly human” rumbled the Jotun and laughed again. He then threw CR up in the air. CR went up and up until he could see all three camps from the air. It must have been 200 yards before he started to descend. Then everything went black. CR seemed conscious though and opened his eyes carefully. He was again up in the air and screamed. “Awww, are you afraid of heights warrior?” A beautiful voice in a beautiful face stared at him. “Hold around me and you will find comfort.” CR did as he was told.
Husar was slumbering in his tent and couldn’t sleep. He hadn’t been able to do so for quite some time. He heard a strange sound outside and got up. He quickly put some clothes under his blanket and hid behind a large chest. In through the opening a Jotun appeared all dark besides the golden light in his eyes. He saw the lump under the blanket and rumbled a low laughter. A broadsword was lifted and with a downward motion pierced blanket, cloth and dirt to the hilt. The Jotun then turned and left the same way he entered. Behind the chest, a lucky man sat with a pounding heart.
Tally:
Murdered (7):
Destroyer of Hope
Sir Moody
Dutch_guy
ByzantineKnight
Redleg
Sasaki
Crazed Rabbit
Killed in Holmgang (5):
HughTower (Redleg)
Orb (Lord Motep)
Reenk Roink (Seamus)
Kagemusha (Omanes)
CountArach (Stig)
Executed (3):
Discovery1
Ichigo
Warluster
WoG (1)
JimBob
Still Alive (16):
Alexander the Pretty Good
AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
pevergreen
Proletariat
sapi
Seamus Fermanagh
Sir Boo
Stig
Don Corleone
Voting ends at 21:00 GMT+1 tomorrow
Vote:Sapi
I want to know more details about he.
CountA found himself looking over the shoulders of a beautiful blonde.
Hey I wanted to lose :furious3: , lucky bastard ... well atleast we can say that you weren't a Jotun, as it sounds like Valhalla ... to me
GeneralHankerchief
02-16-2007, 23:23
Vote: Omanes
I don't know, who's supposed to have vouched for him again?
Warluster
02-16-2007, 23:25
Well lets make an list of all people in-active
Prole
sapi
Lord Motep (But he's on holidays or something)
Sir Boo
Don Corleone
Fenring
Now Don Corleone and Motep have posted a few times in this thread, and they know this game is on. They are two main suspects. Moteps on Holidays. And the others haven't posted once, only to join up. i say they should be woged, as they are just uselesss right now. There lurking, not helping the town, and challengeing for no reason.
So-
Main Suspect List
Don Corleone
Lord Motep of Kendermore
lynch one of them!
I don't know, who's supposed to have vouched for him again?
No-one does, all he has is a pretty valid Jarl PM, but he hasn't been attacked yet ... I do think that's a bit suspicious yes
Warluster you're list is very incorrect:
AtPG should be on it ... tho I can vouch for him
Motep hasn't been on .org for a week
Don Corleone is active
Fenring is busy
Sapi is active
Sir Boo, dunno about him
Prole, was busy as well
being busy is a bit of a bad excuse but still. imo we shouldn't seek the Jotun with the lurkers, they will be WoG'ed if they're inactive
Why you want to lynch?
Give us a good reason.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-16-2007, 23:31
I think there are only 5 possible jotun.
Caius Flaminius
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Caius is looking suspect, voting for someone who confirmed CountArach, who is now confirmed innocent. However, he has dueled.
Kukri seems mostly innocent. I got the impression he was maybe redleg's champion?
Sir Boo we haven't heard much from.
Fenring we haven't heard much from
Motep had a high score, but I think there is one king unaccounted for.
I would bet Caius, Fenring, and Sir Boo are the jotun.
If you did a bet, you lose.
I know, challenging someone who wasnt responding all the time wasnt a good thing to do.
But Im not Jotun.Im a townie, all my life i was a townie.Sadly Im lost and i do not have any suspect list, except Warluster, who was lurking and comes with a list, trying to make someone vote for the members on the list,and waiting the other voting to the first who voted in the Warluster list.
Let me explain
Warluster post the list
I(an example) vote for someone who is in the list of Warluster
The rest votes me for bandwagon
Then I get lynched.It can be a scum tactic.
GeneralHankerchief
02-16-2007, 23:39
Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Caius
Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Caius
Jumping on the wagon?
If you vote for anyone on Warlusters list you aren't bandwagoning, and neither am I:
Vote: Caius
For what Sasaki said, and for your own last post
Vote: Lord Motep of Kendermore
So you dont believe me?
Human
Carstein “the red” Steinarsson
You are a townie… You duty is to sift out the Jotun from the retinues and vote for their lynching. Should you be challenged to a Holmgang.. Pray to you God of choice for protection. Only luck will save you.
Holmgang ability : 2 (Townie) = 2
Even Sigurds English isn't that bad
:hide:
sorry Sigurd, but it isn't meant as an insult
GeneralHankerchief
02-16-2007, 23:48
Actually, it matches up with mine perfectly, aside from the name of course.
Unvote: Caius
Vote: Sir Boo
Unvote:Sapi
Vote:Stig
the only reason you dont want to believe the real PM is the fact you are Jotun!
Actually, it matches up with mine perfectly, aside from the name of course
Ah well sorry, seems like Sigurd misspelled the same word twice
Unvote: Caius
Vote: Abstain
oh no:
Vote: Omanes, instead
Actually, it matches up with mine perfectly, aside from the name of course
I don't know how a townie PM is build up, how could I know
Caius's PM looks like mine. So he is off the list. I can also confirm sapi as being innocent.
Maybe Motep is on a holiday, but after a week of absence, he isn't WoG'ed...
He is still one of my main suspects, for reasons I posted a while ago in the thread.
Vote : Lord Motep
Sasaki Kojiro
02-16-2007, 23:57
Motep isn't Omanes' partner, and he's not a Jotun. He's just a townie, and other than a dead man's word (he'll probably second me soon...) I have nothing to offer which would be allowed, according to the rules...
:balloon2:
How's this then?
DG has been saying motep is innocent for a while, but here he claims he's townie. For reference, in moteps fight with orb, motep chopped ord in half. Somethings not right here.
Kralizec
02-16-2007, 23:57
Even Sigurds English isn't that bad
Rather harsh words for what amounts to a single typo -unless I missed other mistakes in that text- and a poor basis for a lynch vote. Why were you so eager to vote for Caius?
Rather harsh words for what amounts to a single typo -unless I missed other mistakes in that text- and a poor basis for a lynch vote. Why were you so eager to vote for Caius?
He made the same mistake twice, in such a short PM, which is also quite important. But then everyone has those mistakes in their Townie-PM's, how could I know?
DG has been saying motep is innocent for a while, but here he claims he's townie. For reference, in moteps fight with orb, motep chopped ord in half. Somethings not right here.
With townie Dutch Guy might have meant on the town-side ... War Veteran, Champion or Jarl for example
KukriKhan
02-17-2007, 00:04
Caius's revealed PM is consistent with my townie PM from Sigurd also (including using "you" for "your").
Continuing the process of elimination by naming a character for which we have little info, and no alibi:
vote: SirBoo
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 00:09
GH, who saw your post when you posted the townie pm?
I think there are only 5 possible jotun.
Caius Flaminius
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Caius is looking suspect, voting for someone who confirmed CountArach, who is now confirmed innocent. However, he has dueled.
Kukri seems mostly innocent. I got the impression he was maybe redleg's champion?
Sir Boo we haven't heard much from.
Fenring we haven't heard much from
Motep had a high score, but I think there is one king unaccounted for.
I would bet Caius, Fenring, and Sir Boo are the jotun.
Kukri and Fenring are both townies. That I know for a fact given my previous reveal as a jarl.
Now the other three I don't know anything concerning their roles
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 00:11
GH, who saw your post when you posted the townie pm?
The only people I can confirm were Ichigo and Motep.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 00:17
Kukri and Fenring are both townies. That I know for a fact given my previous reveal as a jarl.
Now the other three I don't know anything concerning their roles
I think we need more evidence than that. If it's true, than either someone has been successfully faking pm's or SirBoo is the only Jotun left.
Everyone except sirBoo is vouched for.
I should say, either vouched for, attacked by joten (don and husar) or shown knowledge of townie pm (caius, andres,GH)
I think we need Omanes's champion to step forward.
Kralizec
02-17-2007, 00:24
Thanks Redleg.
I think there are only 5 possible jotun.
Caius Flaminius
Kralizec (Fenring)
KukriKhan
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Caius is looking suspect, voting for someone who confirmed CountArach, who is now confirmed innocent. However, he has dueled.
Kukri seems mostly innocent. I got the impression he was maybe redleg's champion?
Sir Boo we haven't heard much from.
Fenring we haven't heard much from
Motep had a high score, but I think there is one king unaccounted for.
I would bet Caius, Fenring, and Sir Boo are the jotun.
It's extremely self-confident to assume you have narrowed it down to only 5 people, when half the people who joined are still alive.
Furthermore, I've been inactive everywhere. In other mafia games, as well as most other fora.
Motep has also been inactive for a pretty long time. I tried to send him a PM yesterday but his PM box was full, so he's probably on a temporary hiatus.
So that would leave: Caius, Kurki and Sir Boo.
That would be some pretty amazing deduction work, except that it smells like excrement. You're either full of yourself, or you're Jotun scum. Pick your choice.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 00:28
No, I made some mistakes.
Andres I think now is guilty.
Ichigo or motep, can you confirm that the pm GH posted was the same as the one caius posted?
And like I said, fenring, the others are vouched for or proven innocent. Redleg has vouched for you and for now I believe him.
hmm it seems redleg has vouched for Andres as well.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 00:34
The only thing that is different about the PM that Caius posted is the fact that the name has changed.
I'm not quite sure what kind of a nickname "The Red" is, especially what it has to do with Caius, since my PM nickname clearly has a connection to my forum nickname. That's something to keep in mind.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 00:42
That's interesting, mine was connected too.
Reading the death description, the only people not to go to valhalla are Sir Moody, Orb, and myself. Now, I'm betting townies don't go to valhalla. And moody and I were killed so we can't be Jotun. Orb however, was described in his holmgang as being practiced with the sword. It's possible he was jotun.
KukriKhan
02-17-2007, 00:45
This may be a tactical error, but here is Sigurd's PM to me (remember I didn't receive one originally, so he re-sent it:
*Sorry if you didn't get this before...
I was sure I sent all of them.
My Pm box is not that huge so I have emptied it two times already. I have downloaded my PMs to my HDD.. and going through them I can't find you name.
I have you in my spread sheet though so you are not lost ... This is what my role picking system picked for you:
****
Human
Knut “the Khan” Magnarsson
You are a War Veteran and in the service of the King of Hordaland. You are basically a townie with high Holmgang stats
Holmgang ability : 3 (WarVeteran) = 3
*****
Enjoy the game
Sigurd
Now, let's parse out the remaining suspects.
I'm not quite sure what kind of a nickname "The Red" is, especially what it has to do with Caius, since my PM nickname clearly has a connection to my forum nickname. That's something to keep in mind.
Flaminius -> flames -> flames are red.
And Motep is still guilty.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 00:51
I know of 5 kings out of 6. So that could be motep--we'll see if he claims, he'll need a champion to name. Dutch_guy possibly. Or he could be aesir.
SirBoo is by far and away the best choice for today.
I want too hear more from Redleg about how he can vouch for fenring, and about the role pm Andres sent him. Otherwise Andres has acted very suspicious.
I want too hear more from Redleg about how he can vouch for fenring, and about the role pm Andres sent him. Otherwise Andres has acted very suspicious.
Andres sent me his PM earlier before I died - that is when I vouched for him based upon my reading of that PM. Pretty much the same way I vouched for Kurki
Now Fenring I absolutely know is an innocent.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 01:14
Ok. At the moment everyone but motep is either vouched for or has shown pm.
Technically dutch_guy is vouching for motep...hmm.
This leads me to believe that Sigurd gave the Jotun townie pm's, and caius, andres, and GH are guilty. lol. ~D
Technically dutch_guy is vouching for motep...hmm.
This leads me to believe that Sigurd gave the Jotun townie pm's, and caius, andres, and GH are guilty. lol. ~D
Hmmm, well, I can't do more than give my townie role pm. I sent it to Redleg at the beginning of the game and to you through pm. If you weren't murdered by Jotun, I would consider you suspicious.
Motep is silent indeed. On the other hand, he still hasn't been WoG'ed. Am I the only one who noticed only two Jotun in every write-up? Besides, who vouched for dutch_guy? And Proletariat?
And Don Corleone is active on the boards, but he isn't in this particular game.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 01:31
dutch_guy went to valhalla. Proletariat has been vouched for. Kukri had the late pm thing. Motep is presumable a king.
That leaves you, caius and GH. It's either you three, or you, orb, and gh.
Don got attacked at night.
That leaves you, caius and GH.
Well, Sasaki, I want to know why I am on your list. Until now, you only said "he has acted suspicious".
Not a particular good reason huh.
Care to elaborate so the living townies at least have some decent arguments to judge on?
Just saying 100 times "he acted suspicious" isn't sufficient imo. We are nearing the end of the game and it seems like we still haven't lynched one single Jotun. So we can't afford anymore silly mistakes.
I gave every single piece of evidence I can give to prove my innocent, yet you still don't want to believe me.
Give better arguments than "He acts suspicious". If the town is convinced and wants to lynch me, so be it. But if I go to Valhalla, I suggest the remaing townies put Mister Kojiro on their ignore list for the rest of the game. Or, if it is not possible to put a mod on the ignore list, I suggest you admit your mistake after my dead and you stop posting in here.
:bow:
EDIT: Oh, and this is my role pm:
Human
Anders “the fox” Knutsson
You are a townie… You duty is to sift out the Jotun from the retinues and vote for their lynching. Should you be challenged to a Holmgang.. Pray to you God of choice for protection. Only luck will save you.
Holmgang ability : 2 (Townie) = 2
I'm disgusted by your behaviour.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 01:44
eh, we'll just wait for motep or dutch guyto come around. He may be Jotun, having fooled Dutch guy. Orb is also possible jotun.
Townie pm is no evidence of innocence...everybody alive has shown some sort of pm. So, to be fair, I should say:
caius, andres, gh
motep andres gh
motep andres caius
caius motep gh
orb andres gh
orb caius gh
orb andres caius
In fact orb may be certain. But both orb and motep can't be jotun.
motep having shown high holmgang, should be #1 unless he can prove king.
The willingess of GH and yourself to flash the townie pm around is very good evidence of your guilt. If I had thought of Sigurd doing that earlier...
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 01:47
If I am Jotun then I give Sasaki permission to perma-ban me from the Gameroom.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 01:49
If I am Jotun then I give Sasaki permission to perma-ban me from the Gameroom.
:laugh4:
Who do you think is guilty gh? Everybody has posted pro town pm's. Almost all others have another to back them up.
If we are guessing what special rules, tricks or advantages Sigurd might have implemented in the game and if we are basing our voting on that kind of wild speculations, the town can also reflect on this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426587&postcount=948), more in particular, my speculation about a God playing Jotun, but only deciding after a first murder attempt.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 01:51
If we are guessing what special rules, tricks or advantages Sigurd might have implemented in the game and if we are basing our voting on that kind of wild speculations, the town can also reflect on this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1426587&postcount=948), more in particular, my speculation about a God playing Jotun, but only deciding after a first murder attempt.
There is a confirmed alternative explanation for tom's survival.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2007, 01:52
Frankly, we can't really trust those that vouch for people since Jotun could just do it. So it's more along the lines of suspicious performance in Sigurd's write-ups.
As previously stated, I haven't really been paying attention to the game as much as I should be, so I normally don't have ideas. I do suspect Omanes, but for some reason or another he's been backed up by someone else or Sigurd's write-ups have cleared him.
I'll have to quote myself:
Well, Sasaki, I want to know why I am on your list. Until now, you only said "he has acted suspicious".
Not a particular good reason huh.
Care to elaborate so the living townies at least have some decent arguments to judge on?
Just saying 100 times "he acted suspicious" isn't sufficient imo. We are nearing the end of the game and it seems like we still haven't lynched one single Jotun. So we can't afford anymore silly mistakes.
I gave every single piece of evidence I can give to prove my innocent, yet you still don't want to believe me.
Give better arguments than "He acts suspicious". If the town is convinced and wants to lynch me, so be it. But if I go to Valhalla, I suggest the remaing townies put Mister Kojiro on their ignore list for the rest of the game. Or, if it is not possible to put a mod on the ignore list, I suggest you admit your mistake after my dead and you stop posting in here.
:bow:
Why am I suspicious?
EDIT: And why are you continually pm'ing before answering a simple, clear question?
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 02:02
I told you--it's clear sigurd gave fake pm's. I suggested as such after the capo thing where the mafia were at a clear disadvantage. The way you and Gh were so eager to show your pm's means you are guilty. Everyone else was reluctant. But Gh posted his in the thread, and sent it to Ichigo, you sent yours to redleg and a bunch of people.
Also, Sigurd https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1058/emotarghbr6.gif
I told you--it's clear sigurd gave fake pm's. I suggested as such after the capo thing where the mafia were at a clear disadvantage. The way you and Gh were so eager to show your pm's means you are guilty. Everyone else was reluctant. But Gh posted his in the thread, and sent it to Ichigo, you sent yours to redleg and a bunch of people.
Also, Sigurd https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1058/emotarghbr6.gif
I sent mine to Redleg, one sentence to Fenring (to prevent abuse in case he was Jotun), and the whole thing to you through pm, after you decided to "prosecute" me. The only reason I trusted you, is because you got killed by Jotun. I posted it in the thread for the other participants in the game.
Ask Kagemusha and Don Corleone how I refused to give my role pm because I didn't trusted them and didn't want them to abuse it.
You are wrong Sasaki and your mistake will cost the town a deserved victory. I think Redleg and Seamus have put up a nice network, making it possible to see who is town and who isn't. You, casting all these accusations and suspicions, will ruin the credibility of this efforts and eventually you will make the town suffer defeat.
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 02:16
I sent mine to Redleg, one sentence to Fenring (to prevent abuse in case he was Jotun), and the whole thing to you through pm, after you decided to "prosecute" me. The only reason I trusted you, is because you got killed by Jotun. I posted it in the thread for the other participants in the game.
Ask Kagemusha and Don Corleone how I refused to give my role pm because I didn't trusted them and didn't want them to abuse it.
You are wrong Sasaki and your mistake will cost the town a deserved victory. I think Redleg and Seamus have put up a nice network, making it possible to see who is town and who isn't. You, casting all these accusations and suspicions, will ruin the credibility of this efforts and eventually you will make the town suffer defeat.
:laugh4: you're also casting out wildly. We'll probably lynch motep today, but expect a holmgang tonight. There you can prove your innocence :p
Curse sigurd for messing with my head.
:laugh4: you're also casting out wildly.
I learned from tha master ~;)
But I'm through with this. I will not defend myself any longer, it is getting boring. I said what I have to say, I posted the evidence I could post, period. Let the town read our discussion. They will decide.
If I won't get lynched, I'll challenge whoever the town wants me to challenge.
Just a shame I can't challenge you, corpse :boxing:
ByzantineKnight
02-17-2007, 02:38
Flaminius -> flames -> flames are red.
And Motep is still guilty.
Um, in RTW Vanilia one of the Roman starting Diplomats is named Caius Flaminius, his name is probably just that cuz he liked the name...
CountArach
02-17-2007, 02:46
Awww :(
One day I'll make it to the end of one of these.
ByzantineKnight
02-17-2007, 03:04
nmv
ByzantineKnight
02-17-2007, 03:06
Sorry.
Its okay
Vote: Motep
If he was a legit king, his champion would have revealed before now.
Dutch_guy
02-17-2007, 03:21
How's this then?
DG has been saying motep is innocent for a while, but here he claims he's townie. For reference, in moteps fight with orb, motep chopped ord in half. Somethings not right here.
Sorry for the late answer, but I can vouch for Motep's innocence. He's innocent, and is a townie, albeit with a Holmgang feared by all but Lords, Aenir, and Jotun.
I can vouch for Omanes' PM, I can then vouch for Motep. Now, this combined with the fact he chopped the townie Orb in half is quite telling I'd say...
:balloon2:
Sasaki Kojiro
02-17-2007, 03:22
Didn't he also claim to be immortal at night? Kings aren't immortal at night.
Dutch guys claim that motep was townie comes from motep showing him his townie pm.
Sorry for the late answer, but I can vouch for Motep's innocence. He's innocent, and is a townie, albeit with a Holmgang feared by all but Lords, Aenir, and Jotun.
Have you read what I think about sigurd giving the mafia townie pm's? A townie with a huge holmgang doesn't make sense dutch.
Agreed.
A townie with a special role would not be called a townie in the role pm
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