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Spino
02-02-2007, 19:25
Some months ago I posted a link to an article citing the paltry and/or non-existent efforts made by the Kyoto Protocol's signees to stem their own nations' carbon emissions. So now we have another assembly of the Kyoto cabal and look what the EU puts on the table... the threat of a carbon emissions tax... It might as well be a .45 caliber revolver and Jacques is the EU's duly appointed bounty hunter. Kyoto is looking more and more like an underhanded means of engaging in protectionist trade measures against the good old US of A...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/world/europe/01climate.html?ei=5090&en=718095d16a7c2e7f&ex=1327986000&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

I bolded the more 'select' text

February 1, 2007
France Tells U.S. to Sign Climate Pacts or Face Tax
By KATRIN BENNHOLD
PARIS, Jan. 31 — President Jacques Chirac has demanded that the United States sign both the Kyoto climate protocol and a future agreement that will take effect when the Kyoto accord runs out in 2012.

He said that he welcomed last week’s State of the Union address in which President Bush described climate change as a “serious challenge” and acknowledged that a growing number of American politicians now favor emissions cuts.

But he warned that if the United States did not sign the agreements, a carbon tax across Europe on imports from nations that have not signed the Kyoto treaty could be imposed to try to force compliance. The European Union is the largest export market for American goods.

“A carbon tax is inevitable,” Mr. Chirac said. “If it is European, and I believe it will be European, then it will all the same have a certain influence because it means that all the countries that do not accept the minimum obligations will be obliged to pay.”

Trade lawyers have been divided over the legality of a carbon tax, with some saying it would run counter to international trade rules. But Mr. Chirac said other European countries would back it. “I believe we will have all of the European Union,” he said.

Mr. Chirac spoke as scientists from around the world gathered in Paris to discuss an authoritative international report on climate change, portions of which will be released on Friday.

Mr. Chirac’s critics say that despite his comments in support of environmental measures, his record as president is far from green. He angered environmentalists across the globe when he conducted nuclear tests in a Pacific atoll within months of coming into office in 1995. He has been a loyal ally of French farmers and their pollution-causing practices, blocking some proposed Europe-wide reforms.

Most recently, France’s national plan for allocating carbon emission credits to businesses had to be revised after the European Union rejected it as too generous.


To add insult to injury recently the EU slapped an 'embargo' on a whole slew of US made cosmetics citing the inclusion of certain ingredients they deemed to be harmful to people's health. Is there truth to their claims or is this simply another clever way of sticking it to major US cosmetic companies who possess a huge stake in European markets?

Nine times out of ten it's always about money.

KukriKhan
02-02-2007, 19:49
Is their truth to their claims

Dunno, not being a chemist, but apparently San Francisco has joined the fray over the topic link (http://www.stats.org/stories/SFC_cosmetic_oct11_06.htm), so it's not Euro's only.

Crazed Rabbit
02-02-2007, 19:59
I doubt any real truth is the reason for this - just more protectionism that would be illegal under WTO, just like the US beef restrictions France has been pushing for years.

CR

Vladimir
02-02-2007, 21:01
Dunno, not being a chemist, but apparently San Francisco has joined the fray over the topic link (http://www.stats.org/stories/SFC_cosmetic_oct11_06.htm), so it's not Euro's only.

*spits out drink*

Huh? You CAN'T be serious. San Fran contains the most extremist elements of our society, that holds true even though they're leftists. Citing the most extreme, whacked out minority means nothing other than what the most extreme, whacked out minority feels.

And this is Europe? Europe who increased their carbon emissions while the US lowered theirs. I know the French aristocracy loves to be hated and this must be another example of that. I think ol’ Jock St-rap is testing my self control again.

Tribesman
02-02-2007, 22:38
just more protectionism that would be illegal under WTO, just like the US beef restrictions France has been pushing for years.

Errrr....you mean the european ban on beef with growth hormones added , which isn't illegal under any agreements since it is applied to all beef no matter where it comes from , it just hits the US beef exports harder because they use the hormones in more of their cattle .
Whatever next Rabbit , I suppose the restrictions placed on British , Irish and more recently Canadian beef are illegal protectionism .:dizzy2:

Wow isn't it just like trying to sell a tube of SmartiesTM used to be like in the US , you can do it , as long as you take all the red ones out because the colouring might be harmful:yes:

KukriKhan
02-02-2007, 23:11
*spits out drink*

Huh? You CAN'T be serious. San Fran contains the most extremist elements of our society, that holds true even though they're leftists. Citing the most extreme, whacked out minority means nothing other than what the most extreme, whacked out minority feels.

And this is Europe? Europe who increased their carbon emissions while the US lowered theirs. I know the French aristocracy loves to be hated and this must be another example of that. I think ol’ Jock St-rap is testing my self control again.

Maybe you'll like this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalates) better. It chronicles how Swedes & Danes, then US, then EU science guys have examined the various effects of phthalates. Conflicting findings, if I read correctly. San Francisco is considering an ordinance banning the stuff. Hasn't passed yet (I think) and there's more discussion coming.

Xiahou
02-02-2007, 23:17
Maybe you'll like this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalates) better. It chronicles how Swedes & Danes, then US, then EU science guys have examined the various effects of phthalates. Conflicting findings, if I read correctly. San Francisco is considering an ordinance banning the stuff. Hasn't passed yet (I think) and there's more discussion coming.
Oh sweet monkey, the cosmetics row was about phthalates? How did I miss that? It is utter nonsense then. :laugh4:

Watchman
02-02-2007, 23:22
Nine times out of ten it's always about money....and US unwillingness to do a thing to avert a possible environmental disaster isn't...? :dozey: