USA please hand over David Hicks

[Yun Dog]

Australian citizen.

POW.

Held for 5 years without being charged.

Tortured.

Now they change the law so they can use evidence given under duress and hearsay evidence.

All this to make sure they get a conviction, because it would be so embarresing not to.

Discuss

1. as a POW with the war in afganistan long over in what ways does the geneva convention apply here?

2. If the purpose of the war in Iraq is to create a 'democrazy' in that country - what sort of democracy are you creating - one with no code of laws?

3. Does the example set here by the USA reflect that the USA is now the enemy of liberty and the 'free world'.

4. As Australia is strongly democratic and believes in the rule of law - is this a deal breaker and should it end the alliance between our nations.

5. A man who was nobody is now a national hero, will he become Australias first martyr

[Del Arroyo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hicks


In the documentary, Terry Hicks reads out excerpts of David Hicks's letters, in which Hicks says that his training in Pakistan and Afghanistan is designed to ensure "the Western-Jewish domination is finished, so we live under Muslim law again". He denounces the plots of the Jews to divide Muslims and make them think poorly of Osama bin Laden and warns his father to ignore "the Jews' propaganda war machine,"

Sorry, he's on the wrong $%&*#!@ side. Let him rot.

[Watchman]

Human rights aren't quite supposed to work that way, Del.

[Tribesman]

Sorry, he's on the wrong $%&*#!@ side. Let him rot.

Hmmmmmm.......and if Nasrallah said that about Goldwasser that would be OK would it ?:dizzy2:

Hand him over to Australia and let them throw his sorry ass in jail after a trial . Problem solved .:idea2:

[BigTex]

He is a PoW, and the war is not over. He stays, nuff said.

[Xiahou]

He is a PoW, and the war is not over. He stays, nuff said.Except for him being an unlawful combatant, not a POW, I agree. The evidence Ive would suggest that he's about as clear a case of an enemy combatant as you can get.

[Marshal Murat]

Considering that Afghanistan is different than Iraq, I don't quite understand #2

[Yun Dog]

I think its pretty self explanatory

the US is attempting to create a democracy in another nation - but given the disregard for the code of laws and human rights in the US itself as exemplified by the Hicks case - can the US be regarded as a democracy itself and if it lead by example then what example is this to the people of Iraq.

edit: and to address Big Tex - if the war in Afganistan is not over - when will it be - if ever? How would the US feel if China held its captured soldiers from the Korean war - indefinitely.

[Papewaio]

Australian citizen.

POW.


Trail for treason in Australia...



4. As Australia is strongly democratic and believes in the rule of law - is this a deal breaker and should it end the alliance between our nations.

I'm not even sure this will make the top five the election issues let alone a reason for the end of our alliance. It could be enough to get John Howard out, along with the wheat affair and others.



5. A man who was nobody is now a national hero, will he become Australias first martyr

Nope, no where near a national hero. He has been poorly treated, that alone does not a hero make.

[rory_20_uk]

Oh, I thought it was Bill Hicks! :stupido:

~:smoking:

[Rameusb5]

Rather ironic that the current US administration is attempting to set up a new "Democracy" in Iraq while at the same time trying to destroy it at home...

:)

I susptect MY definition of democracy (which includes ALL of the constitution) doesn't jive with Bushy's.

[Randarkmaan]

Here's hoping the US becomes a monarchy in the next ten years! King George I rings a nice bell. :2thumbsup:

... or not.

They should hand him over to the Australians and let them lock him up, after a trial, or they could trial him themselves. I mean... are they afraid they might lack evidence?

[Justiciar]

I concur. Monarchasticy is the way forwards for America. :yes:

[Yun Dog]

Oh, I thought it was Bill Hicks! :stupido:

~:smoking:

he he he

maybe it is

:book:

[AntiochusIII]

They should hand him over to the Australians and let them lock him up, after a trial, or they could trial him themselves. I mean... are they afraid they might lack evidence?The Bush administration has always had this distinct aversion to proper procedure of law. I cannot help but be perplexed at that inexplicable behavior.

By all means he should be extradited to Australia.

[drone]

Here's hoping the US becomes a monarchy in the next ten years! King George I rings a nice bell. :2thumbsup:

... or not.
Thought just occurred to me with this post. George Washington, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush. King George III. :inquisitive:

[Ronin]

You must look at it from a historical perspective.
He's George the second. The boy-king.
A man we thought could only loose, but somehow won,
because of confused Hebrews.
-Robin Williams

:laugh4:

[KafirChobee]

Australian citizen.

POW.

Held for 5 years without being charged.

Tortured.

Now they change the law so they can use evidence given under duress and hearsay evidence.

All this to make sure they get a conviction, because it would be so embarresing not to.

Discuss

1. as a POW with the war in afganistan long over in what ways does the geneva convention apply here?

2. If the purpose of the war in Iraq is to create a 'democrazy' in that country - what sort of democracy are you creating - one with no code of laws?

3. Does the example set here by the USA reflect that the USA is now the enemy of liberty and the 'free world'.

4. As Australia is strongly democratic and believes in the rule of law - is this a deal breaker and should it end the alliance between our nations.

5. A man who was nobody is now a national hero, will he become Australias first martyr

1) The USA, under Bush43, no longer abides by or recognizes the Geneva Convention. So, the question is mute. The present Administration has ignored or rejected all add-ons to the GC since taking office.
2) The Bush43 Doctrine of "spreading democracy" is nothing more than a ruse to conceal the true motives for instigating the War in Iraq. Can you say "OIL!!!". It is like the question, "Is Iraq better off without Saddam?" - if one is talking about the personal security of the populace - then no.
3) We are talking about a lame duck prez that was given power by a lopsided Supreme Court that over stepped its authority in 2001. If one trusts the electorate we must assume they will correct this error in the 2008 elections. That or .....?
4) No. Hang in there, we get a new face in office in 2 years. One that doesn't shy away from the use of diplomacy ["The trouble with diplomacy is it takes a long time.", Bush43]
5) He doesn't sound like much of a martyr. Still, he is a good example of how Bush and Company have suspended Habeaus Corpus and the Bill of Rights.

Less than 22 months to go before Bush retires to clear shrubs. Let us pray it woun't be to late. :smash:

[Randarkmaan]

Quote:

You must look at it from a historical perspective.
He's George the second. The boy-king.
A man we thought could only loose, but somehow won,
because of confused Hebrews.

-Robin Williams

Seen it as well, have you? :laugh4:

[PanzerJaeger]

This is an Australian national hero? Yes, maybe it is time to reconsider the alliance.... :no:

"the Western-Jewish domination is finished, so we live under Muslim law again"

Rot in hell?