Guess some of the new EB buildings

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Sorry, no real motivation to post new unit images right now :laugh4:. But this was posted a few days ago on the internal forum: some new buildings graphics for EB. They won't all be in 0.81 though, we are totally reshuffling our unique buildings internal positions and names (a big hassle, but for a big payoff) and opening up a new complex for uniques too that will let more uniques into the build.

So, here are the questions for these: what are they and where will they be found? Some are uniques, some are just regular buildings. Some are easy, some are hard, some are really difficult, but are the best we could do for the "building". When all six are guessed, I might put a 7th up there too as a "reward".


https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9273/newbuildings2il7.th.jpg (https://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newbuildings2il7.jpg)

1. Shamiram-su (Gazius)
2. Carthaginian Commemorative/Funerary Monument (hoom)
3. Drynemeton at Ankyra (cezarip)
4. Tushpa, in Hayasdan
5. Eastern Field of Games (k_raso)
6. Paestum Temple Complex (HumphreysCraig00)

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

All I know is that six is probably a unique temple building.

[Barbarossa82]

I'm afraid I must take issue with the first image. My sources clearly indicate that the waterway was 107.862 metres across, whereas your image suggests something in the region of 107.214.

Sorry, couldn't resist! :laugh4:

Seriously though, wonderful work as usual by whoever has done these. Can't wait to start a .81 campaign and savour the immersion.

I'll only hazard a wild guess at number 3 - could it be that sacred wood somewhere in the lands of the Sweboz where their priestesses/seers dwell?

[Eduorius]

1. Ptolemaic - Nile irrigation channels
2. Bactria - Buddhism or Hindu temple
3. Aedui, Averni - Sacred Forest of the Druids
4. Bartix- Ancient Sacred Hidden city
5. Nomads- Oasis. Next oasis 500 km so fight for it (ok that was a lame joke)
6- Koinon Hellenon - Temple of Castor and Pollux.


:yes:

I am historically accurate sure (sarcasm)

[-Praetor-]

1ª) I`ll follow that that`s a ptolemaic irrigation system. Perhaps, a "very productive ptolemaic farm" or something?

2º) Not a clue.

3º) The sacred carnute woods in Cenabum. (The woods of Fangorn)

4º) Pontic royal tombs in Amaseia.

5º) Pahlavan field of games.

6º) A greek temple, but I don`t recall which one may be.

[HFox]

1. Selucid irrigation - farming improvement
2. Saba temple - level 2
3. Casse/Aedui grove
4. Saba temple - level 3 - sacred mount
5. Saba oasis - farming improvement
6. Post alexander temple....so any one of 6? nations

[Bava]

wild guess for no.4 : fortress of Lilybaion?

Are the guys in pic no.5 playing polo? I know its an old sport, but that old?

[Fondor_Yards]

wild guess for no.4 : fortress of Lilybaion?

Are the guys in pic no.5 playing polo? I know its an old sport, but that old?

Yea, polo is pretty dam old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polo#History_of_Polo

[Kugutsu]

*random post*
Nº2 looks like the folly on the hill overlooking Bath. I used to be able to see it from across the valley when I lived there...
(edit: this is merely an observation, not a suggestion! I can see that the landscape is obviously not the westcountry, and the tower above Bath is probably no more than 200 years old)

Could Nº4 be the rock of Gibraltar?

[Zenith Darksea]

Let me guess, you won't release 0.81 until we get them all, right?

No! We'll never see the patch! Alas, I'm afraid I can't identify a single one of those unique buildings!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Well, k_raso basically got #5 right. It's the eastern field of games (and will be the Carthaginian one till a better one is created), and thus obviously not one of the uniques. None of the others are that close, except that Barbarosa and Eduoris both got close on one, but they guessed by far the wrong part of the map on it.

I figured someone would have seen those things in #2 before.

[Kugutsu]

I figured someone would have seen those things in #2 before.

Does that refer to me? The thing I saw is no way ancient. Its simply a fashion statement by some rich landowner. Random towers were for some reason quite popular on country estates, to look at the views I guess.

I would hazard that your tower is some kind of shrine, possibly Saba, going by the palm trees...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

My guesses:
1- The building card picture makes it looks more like a navigational canal than an irragation canal... Though the description picture looks like tiny unimportant ditch...
2- Something Indian... though the landscape looks Syrian...
3- Some sort of northern black forest.
4- It looks like a western town below the mountain... granite looking... I don't know.
5- Has been guessed. Is that the Afganistan goat skin game they're playing?
6- Agrigento

[Kugutsu]

Wasnt there a navigable canal between the nile and the red sea? Perhaps 1 is that.

[GodEmperorLeto]

1) Nile-Red Sea canal
2) Alex's monument to Zeus in India?
3) I like the Fangorn Forest interpretation
4) Petra
5) Ammonion at Siwa
6) New version of Olympia?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Marcus is on the right track with #6 (but doesn't have it right).

#1 isn't in Egypt, maybe if you hopped in a van and tried to drive there you'd make it in a week though.

[paullus]

hehehe...i only know what three of them are...

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Marcus is on the right track with #6 (but doesn't have it right).
So is it "Temple E" from that town that escapes me near Agrigento?

EDIT: Selinous/Selinunte?

[Lord Gruffles]

Sorry, I don't have any idea or the time to figure it out. But I did want to stop in this thread and say:

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!?! Those are gorgeous looking!!!! :cheerleader:

I can't wait to see them in the game!!!

:2thumbsup:

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Not *that* close Marcus. :laugh4:

Gruffy - in the game the icons will be half the size of those, so they don't look as good really, but they are put together at 4X the size they are in-game, so the detail here is 2X and it looks a lot more detailed than the way you're used to seeing them. I haven't checked out MTW2 on this yet - I'd guess they (building icons) probably are the same old size still.

Here's another hint: 1 and 4 are in the same province.

[lord_eru]

Could #1 be the River Jordan, and #4 the fortress/city that the Romans besieged in Judea in the 1st century (can't remember the exact name, and wiki has failed me :shame: )

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Sorry eru. It is a canal, but not in that province.

[Laundreu]

1) is a canal from Nile to Red Sea! :-D

2) is a Buddhist Stupa, I suspect in the Indian provinces.

4) is one of the old Egyptian Nubian fortresses, a sign of Pharoah's power.

[Fondor_Yards]

The ramparts/walls in #4 look eastern to me, but due to a total lack of knowedge there I have no idea where.

[hoom]

#2 is Carthaginian I think, can't remember where I have seen that though.
Edit: here's (http://www.seas.gwu.edu/~sheller/photos/phoenician%20.JPG) a pic of same but its named 'phoenician' so could be over by Tyre/Sidon way
I'd say a Carthaginian shrine.

#6 are the temples of Hera & Concordia at Agrigento

[Empedocles]

4º It's the Akropolis in Athens.
6º The Temple at Halicarnasus (?)

[Lord Gruffles]

Oh, OK. I'll take one stab since I don't think I've seen this proposed.

#4, right off the bat, looks perhaps like the burial mountain for the Kings of Persia (don't remember the name to be honest.) You know, the one that Darius never quite made it to because he was defeated by Alexander. :idea2:



Gruffy - in the game the icons will be half the size of those, so they don't look as good really, but they are put together at 4X the size they are in-game, so the detail here is 2X and it looks a lot more detailed than the way you're used to seeing them. I haven't checked out MTW2 on this yet - I'd guess they (building icons) probably are the same old size still.
Don't down play them! :whip:

:laugh4:

The fact remains.... THEY ARE GORGEOUS!!!!

More Kudos to the EB Team!

[abou]

I can't help but look at 3 and think heavy, Germanic forests...

[Geoffrey S]

The last one looks like that place in Greece, with something dedicated to Asklepion in the area. Forgotten what the exact name was. And number four, is it Syracuse?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I think that three could perhaps be a Sacred Grove of the Druids. Other than that I have no idea.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I'll tell you that #3 is in Galatia. Anyone know of the name of the place?

hoom is awfully close with #2. Might as well chalk that one up too. It's a Carthaginian commemorative monument. Or funerary monument if you want to call it that - the constructed image is of the mausoleum at Dougga, but the icon is from the one at Sabratha in Libya. Another big one not shown here is the Souma of the Kroub, near Constantine. The one at Dougga is usually touted as the only remaining great monument of Punic architecture still standing on Tunisian soil (an evil Brit had almost completely demolished it in order to get at the biliingual Libyan and Punic inscription on it - now in the British Museum). Plus they are from the third and second centuries BC, so right up our alley. Also, it is not a unique - it can be built in many places in Qarthadastim lands (probably in type1 and type2 gov lands).

[cezarip]

Ah, then #3 is the Drunemeton?
Hmm, to me they do not look line oaks...

Just out of curiosity, is Mount Olympus getting into 0.81?

[Gazius]

I'm going to take a blind google assisted stab into the dark and say #1 is Xerxes' canal.

[Slider6977]

I'm going to take a blind google assisted stab into the dark and say #1 is Xerxes' canal.

I'm thinking it is certainly in greece, I would guess the Corinth canal, but I don't think it was ever completed (during EB timeframe).

#3 I would say is 'The Sacred Grove of the Druids' or Drunmeton (i think its spelled), in central turkey.

#4 is looks to be an acropolis, but the lower buildings seem to be a wall structure surounding the elevated site and appear to be eastern in construction. Im gonna guess masada, but I believe someone else has guessed that and was wrong, but no other clue if it isnt that.

#6 I would think is on mainland Greece, as opposed to many saying it is seleucid or what not. I'm thinkin the temple of Zeus at Olympia, but probably not, maybe parthenon (some kind of greek temple complex :dizzy2: ).

[Aranor]

My first thought for number 4 was Sarmezgethusa. However from site photos I have seen of the city and the fact that my gf has been there I discounted that pretty quick and also thought it could be Masada, but if my history is correct the fortress was built entirely on the hilltop and the Romans had to build their own ramp up to the citadel.

If these are supposed to be unique buildings for a region my guess would be that it could be Troy on the Agean coast or the geography of the layout reminds me a photos I have seen of the Lion gate at Mycenae with a small path leading to the hilltop fortress ( but its way wrong for the EB time period. )

[Gazius]

If these are supposed to be unique buildings for a region my guess would be that it could be Troy on the Agean coast

Troy is already in the game, unless they intend to change the graphic.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Ah, then #3 is the Drunemeton? :2thumbsup:

Hmm, to me they do not look line oaks...:wall: :wall: :wall:

That was the pic that was submitted with the proposal. I'll get rid of it and find one that clearly has oak trees. What types of oak trees are found in Anatolia? I'd hate to get a type that wasn't found there at Ancyra.


I'm going to take a blind google assisted stab into the dark and say #1 is Xerxes' canal.Well, you're kind of right, but kind of wrong. Xerxes canal might be cool, but it really doesn't do a lot for someone holding that province - no big trade benefit would result like at the diolkos at Corinth. The image of the canal in the icon is actually the canal at Potidea (not Xerxes' but another one (ancient I believe) on the Chalkidke), but it represents a canal we couldn't find images of - a canal in the Hayasdan province. Anyone know what it is?

As for the temples, they are Greek, but we generally don't include a temple as a unique. One of the exceptions is if it is in territory that is definitely not-greek at the game's start. This is a place with multiple large temples in one location (3, 2 are right next to each other) in territory not controlled by a greek faction or a greek rebel subfaction at the game's start.

[cezarip]

:2thumbsup:
:wall: :wall: :wall:

That was the pic that was submitted with the proposal. I'll get rid of it and find one that clearly has oak trees. What types of oak trees are found in Anatolia? I'd hate to get a type that wasn't found there at Ancyra.


He he, I have no ideea. ~:confused: :hide:
Keep the picture it's fine!
And good work, EB is amazing!

[Gazius]

Well, you're kind of right, but kind of wrong. Xerxes canal might be cool, but it really doesn't do a lot for someone holding that province - no big trade benefit would result like at the diolkos at Corinth. The image of the canal in the icon is actually the canal at Potidea (not Xerxes' but another one (ancient I believe) on the Chalkidke), but it represents a canal we couldn't find images of - a canal in the Hayasdan province. Anyone know what it is?

Xerxes is what google likes, in all honesty I'm still not entirely sure where it even is. Somewhere in Greece/Anatolia.

As for this particular piece, I'm going to say either Chehriz irrigation canals, or the aqueduct of Shamiram‑Su?

[Elthore]

hey Teleksos,

a quick google search found me this:
http://grounds.ucdavis.edu/Treewalk%20Site%202-24-05/trees/19.html

pic and description of turkish oak
just because im Turkish :2thumbsup:

[HumphreysCraig00]

A few completely random guesses.

1 Zabzallat Canal

4

I have 2 ideas of what it might be but I dont remember the names of either because my history knowledge is second to most.

My 2 choices either the citidel the jewish rebels hid from the romans in and then all committed suicide when they realised they had no chance.

Or that city high in the hills that alexander decided to bypass rather than take because it would be too costly, though what its name is I havent a clue.

6 The Paestum temple complex?




I bet im wrong but you never know.

[cezarip]

More precise, number 6 seems to be the Poseidon (or Neptune) temple and Basilica at Paestum.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Gotta give it to HC first though - it is indeed a couple of the temples of Hera (alternately called temples of other gods, but both to Hera it seems accurately) at Paestum.

It looks like Gazius named the Shamiram‑Su first (the canal). "In the heart of the most ancient part of Hayasdan called Hayots-Dzor (Valley of the Armenians) this canal runs from a generous spring in the foot-hills of the Armenian mountains, through the city of Tushpa (modern day Van) and into Lake Van, travelling some 45 miles to do so. It was responsible for watering an extensive and very rich region of Urartu, and so much was it needed by the people of that land that even today it runs with the same life-bringing water that it did almost 3000 years ago when it was first built..."

Anyone got 4 right yet? It doesn't look like it. I've given a hint on it though.

[cezarip]

4 = Acrocorinth or maybe Rock of Aornos! Nothing else crosses my mind!

[HumphreysCraig00]

Actually you should probably give it to cezarip cause I just typed greek temples into wikipedia and it was the only one with more than one temple lol. ::):

But he seems to know what it is :)


Wheres the clue by the way I cant notice it.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Four is in the same province as another one.

[cezarip]

Actually you should probably give it to cezarip cause I just typed greek temples into wikipedia and it was the only one with more than one temple lol. ::):

But he seems to know what it is :)


Wheres the clue by the way I cant notice it.

Oh, no, it would not be fair. You were the first to mention Paestum, in fact the temple complex. As I see it, this goes with you HG!

About the clue, I am also clueless!

[HumphreysCraig00]

Blind guess, but is it the ruins of the city of Menuasgert?

[Shifty_GMH]

How about the Mountain Fortress of Ora for #4?

[cezarip]

One more try: the Ankara (Ankyra) Citadel! Hmm, hope I am right!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Four is in the same province as another one.
There is even a clue hidden inside of this short clue. :grin: (In case anyone missed it).

[cezarip]

There is even a clue hidden inside of this short clue. :grin: (In case anyone missed it).

The only other important site I know (in that one region) is the Erebuni (Yerevan) Fortress.
Maybe, maybe

[Velvet Elvis]

Karmirblur or Arin Berd!?! Also, fortress cities in the region.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

#4 is: "Tushpa, that great citadel and city, cradled between the deep, life-giving waters of Lake Van and the magnificent arms of the Armenian mountains, the old capital of the ancient Armenian kingdom of Urartu, whose power was so great that at its zenith it brought the Assyrian Empire to its knees. Chosen by Sarduri I, King of Urartu, for its strategic position away from the barbarians beyond the Caucasus mountains, and its place at the heart of the Vannic region (known as Shupria and then Sophene), Tushpa was for centuries the military and commercial centre of Urartu and its power and influence stretched (at its height) from the length of the Kura river to the lands of Media and even Syria herself...." The icon and image are both of the citadel of Tushpa, but obviously not with all the buildings reconstructed on it.

[HumphreysCraig00]

I cant believe it lol, I found a site that is talking about the same peoples as your were that will probably mention that city in it somewhere but I accidentally read one of the names of a king as a name of a city lol

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Well, all six have been gotten, or figured out as well as could be. :grin:

Here is the little extra now:


https://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8316/nomagrepej6.jpg

These are not for sure going to be in the build yet, but the graphics are done, so it's just a matter of whether or not we want to adopt a special policy that will include them.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Knossos?

[hoom]

The first is the Great Altar at Pergamon. (or now Berlin...)

[Mr Jones]

is the first one in pergamon?

[Mr Jones]

dang someone beat me to it.

[HumphreysCraig00]

I dont know why but when I see number 2 I think of the forum magna.

Im probably wrong though, i'll have a look through the net to see what it is.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Here is a final hint: they are both in the same city. :grin:

[Eduorius]

The Roman Senate House and the palace of Lucius Licinius Lucullus. =)

[hoom]

I guess that means the 2nd is either the Library or the Asclepieion, can't seem to find anything that specifies which but I think the Library.

Oh & if you're not happy with 'Great Altar' for the first, how about 'Altar of Zeus'?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Yeah, I've looked at some maps of the citadel and that is the building that they specify is the library - then found parts of it on some models and drawings of the citadel. You'll not find any images if you do a search for the Pergamene Library, but that's it.