EB Unit Development Art

[Teleklos Archelaou]

We have decided for a few different reasons to release some unit development art by Caratacos (one is so we can start using them in some signature banners :grin:). You have seen three of these so far, the Getai Lesser General, the Galaecian Skirmisher, and the Agema Orditon but not the others yet. Of the units he has depicted for us, only one has been created at this time, and we have revealed that one too - the Getai Lesser General by Xprime. We hope fans of the mod will enjoy Caratacos' work here; we sure have and every time he posts something new on the work thread everyone rushes there. :laugh4:

In addition to releasing some of these unit development pics, we would like to possibly motivate talented modellers and skinners to try their hand at some of the units if they like (though it would be best to let us know in advance so we can inform anyone if one of the team members has already started working on it). In this respect, some of us are hopeful that revealing these units might also lure some more talent into the mod to help finish our unit work - we still have a lot of great units to do, and we aren't going away anytime soon either (and unit guys aren't getting a lot done modding MTW2 at this moment either :dizzy2:). We still have a lot of units that remain to be created, even though it may seem like we have countless ones already. We especially have a number of regional units for multiple factions that we would like to get into the game as soon as we can. North Africans, steppe units, Illyrians, Arabians, you name it. We have a number of people in these areas on the team, but some work on other projects too and help the mod team in other ways as well. We have plenty of sample textures our artists can draw from on our other units, and we have lots of folks willing to offer advice, but this is not something we need first-time model or texture artists trying though. Finally, a big part of being on the team is being able to communicate with us directly and easily, and being willing to work with us on units as the historians and faction coordinators direct. There are no egos in this area on the team who have to have units their way when the historians disagree with their depictions; so being able to work with others is an absolute necessity. If you have skill in these areas and would like to help us finish the mod, please contact us. You'd be working with the best mod team in the Total War series (we've got awards to show for it! ), where you can further develop your talents and contribute to the best mod ever (based on team members' opinions, of course ).

So, enough with that and on to the show! We will update these every so often with his new work. We'll start with the Siluri Birnai, a regional for the Casse.

Agema Orditon
https://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6315/caratacosagemataorditongw2.th.jpg (https://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosagemataorditongw2.jpg)

Getai Lesser General
https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5720/caratacoslessergetai1be2.th.jpg (https://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacoslessergetai1be2.jpg)

Galaecian Skirmisher
https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9875/caratacosgalaecianskirmgk6.th.jpg (https://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosgalaecianskirmgk6.jpg)

Siluri Birnai
https://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8363/caratacossiluribirnaiqr2.th.jpg (https://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacossiluribirnaiqr2.jpg)

Spahdabe Pahlavanig
https://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1171/caratacossphbdpahlavniguf8.th.jpg (https://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacossphbdpahlavniguf8.jpg)

Indo-Greek Noble Hoplite
https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/995/caratacosindogreeknobilfv8.th.jpg (https://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosindogreeknobilfv8.jpg)

Royal Numidian Cavalry
https://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4292/caratacosroyalnumidiancor3.th.jpg (https://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosroyalnumidiancor3.jpg)

Two-Handed Sword Champion
https://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4738/caratacostwohandedchampnc5.th.jpg (https://img251.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacostwohandedchampnc5.jpg)

Pontic General
https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9268/caratacospontosgeneralyb6.th.jpg (https://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacospontosgeneralyb6.jpg)

Hayasdan General
https://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1464/caratacoshaysadangeneraxj7.th.jpg (https://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacoshaysadangeneraxj7.jpg)

Saka Heavy Cataphract
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9660/caratacossakaheavycatapka0.th.jpg (https://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacossakaheavycatapka0.jpg)

Roman Legionaire
https://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5590/caratacoslegionairexs4.th.jpg (https://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacoslegionairexs4.jpg)

Spartiate
https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1041/caratacosspartiatejt1.th.jpg (https://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosspartiatejt1.jpg)

Arverni Arjos
https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5561/caratacosaverniarjosmj8.th.jpg (https://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosaverniarjosmj8.jpg)

Caturige Gaedann (Alpine Celtic regional)
https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1659/caratacoscaturigegaedanwd6.th.jpg (https://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacoscaturigegaedanwd6.jpg)

Celtiberian Heavy Infantry
https://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1323/caratacosiberianheavytd0.th.jpg (https://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosiberianheavytd0.jpg)

Tabargane Eranshahr
https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6018/caratacostabarganeeransbh9.th.jpg (https://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacostabarganeeransbh9.jpg)

Garamantine Spearman
https://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3999/caratacosgaramantinecx1.th.jpg (https://img523.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosgaramantinecx1.jpg)

Liby-Phoenician Elite Infantry
https://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5858/caratacoslibyphoenicianuw8.th.jpg (https://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacoslibyphoenicianuw8.jpg)

Sweboz Druhtinaz
https://img218.imageshack.us/img218/521/caratacosswebozdruhtinakd1.th.jpg (https://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosswebozdruhtinakd1.jpg)

NEW PUBLIC RELEASE!! (November 17, 2007)
Sabaean General
https://img505.imageshack.us/img505/5804/caratacossabageneralkc2.th.jpg (https://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacossabageneralkc2.jpg)

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Released (so far) fan signature banners using Caratacos' artwork

https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8982/logoaedui2bsmallyg7.jpghttps://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2286/logoarverni2bsmallta9.jpghttps://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4322/logobaktria2bsmallyi9.jpg
https://img109.imageshack.us/img109/511/logobritons2bsmallcc6.jpghttps://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3892/logobritons2b2smallat6.jpghttps://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2346/logodacia2bsmalldk5.jpg
https://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1197/logoarmenia2bsmallzb5.jpghttps://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9144/logogreeks2bsmallai3.jpghttps://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9256/logoiberia2bsmallsi1.jpg
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/281/logoparthia2bsmallot0.jpghttps://img480.imageshack.us/img480/425/logopontos2bsmallbb7.jpghttps://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4129/logotsorim2bsmallga6.jpg
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8195/logoromans2bsmallpa3.jpghttps://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1193/logosakae2bsmalllw7.jpghttps://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3781/logogermans2bsmallad4.jpg

[Fl3wk]

I could do some Artwork for unit cards and the imagery that is shown when the unit/building/message is selected. But not sure how to proceed.

[Kugutsu]

This is some pretty amazing drawing/painting. Are you a pro Caratacos? You could make an EB graphic novel!

[Caratacos]

No i'm not a pro. I haven't been paid to do any artwork before, yet. But being a part of the EB team is payment enough (and they didn't even pay me to say that! :laugh4:).

And thanks for the encouragement, guys. Glad you like.

[Mamba]

Jesus, these are unbelievable.

Wonderful job, Caratacos!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Hey guys, how about a new one from Cartacos? Just a little unit for the Pahlava:

https://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1171/caratacossphbdpahlavniguf8.jpg

Hasn't been made yet by modellers or skinners btw.

[Eduorius]

He looks like a Magyar. I know they are more late, but they used that type of armor.

[Watchman]

That looks like it's either somewhat liberally depicted lamellar, that weird kind of scale the Assyrians used, or the sort of coat-of-plates stuff those Saka catas wear. Anyway, lookin' good. :rtwyes:

...didn't "spahbed" (or thereabouts) mean something like "general" or "warlord" or "prince"...?

[Elthore]

that last one is stunning!

how do you draw these? seems like the colouring is done on a computer, using one of those pads maybe?

[Caratacos]

how do you draw these? seems like the colouring is done on a computer, using one of those pads maybe?

Wacom tablet for colouring, yup. I pencil the image though, then use a light- table and trace over the rough with a clutch pencil (0.7mm 2B). I scan the image into photoshop and up the contrast (+50%) so it darkens the lines and whitens the whites. Once I clean up the linework i add layers for the linework, colour fills and background. Once i've settled on main colours i start adding tone and highlight layers-- and doing things like recolouring the lines. I must say that my knowledge of photshop is rather basic (i never read the manual!-- i know it's in the box somewhere in my wardrobe, though!). Colouring the image is the longest step, by far-- unless i get stuck on a pose, the actual drawing process is relatively quick. But i'm new to horses so they are a little tough (the one for the getai lesser gen. should be shot if you ask me :laugh4:)

[kambiz]

Outstanding works Caratacos. Can you use your magical power:winkg: to create some Nice Wallpapers for EB? For example one with the same "Spahdabe Pahlavanig" unit.


didn't "spahbed" (or thereabouts) mean something like "general" or "warlord" or "prince"...?That's right man.Not prince but Yes ,It means general.In nowdays Parsi ,"Spahbad" is called to "Commander of a Corps" or the same "lieutenant general"

Regard

[Caratacos]

Thanks kambiz. But i'm very busy with other units and such for the team, so as much as i would like to whip up some magic and do some wallpapers i think they'd beat me with the "do your EB homework!" stick. Then theres real life as well. And real life homework. No rest for the pious, wicked or in-between, it seems :sweatdrop:.

[The Persian Cataphract]

He looks like a Magyar. I know they are more late, but they used that type of armor.

Actually, since I instructed Nate on this one, it is based on the Orlat battle-plaque, depicting lamellar in the form of wide chaps/skirt connected to an ovenman's coat. The arms are armoured in a fashion that was known among Scythians, and the helmet is of the thimble shape, again inspired by Scythian designs. The horse armour is inspired by the classical Massagetae-Persian layout of chamfrôn and peytrel, in which the chamfrôn is of the more Parthian model, as opposed to being a mere noseplate, and the peytrel reconstructed after the possible use of bronze lamellar on Persian Hûvakâ horse armour. The tail is equally tied with ribbons and because this is a nobleman Nate also fitted him with ribbons on the feet. The protective collar is directly inspired by the Orlat plaque. The sword is suspended by a scabbard slide, it too being depicted from the plaque. The saddlecloth is modelled after the Derafsh-î Kâviyânî, emphasizing the three heraldic colours; saffron, red and purple.

The nobleman himself is modelled after Rustam of the Sûrên-Pahlavân (Surena of the Carrhae fame) which is seen by the fair complexion, long handlebar moustache, earrings and a generally Parthian hairstyle.

It is truly a fantastic work by Nate, and in my opinion his finest yet. But that is just the cataphract-crazed maniac within me speaking :2thumbsup:

[Eduorius]

Thanks for the explanation The Persian Cataphract. I learned a lot. Would like to see images of that plate.

Caractacos you should do a miniguide of how to draw so awesome and for me that Getai horse is wonderful. You got a fan here. :laugh4:

By the way. Just click the image an establish it as wallpaper and then adjust it. It looks awesome.

Thanks =)

[Fondor_Yards]

Sweet

[Caratacos]

Caractacos you should do a miniguide of how to draw so awesome and for me that Getai horse is wonderful.

I did. It's my sig banner :laugh4:

[Kugutsu]

You have an incredible talent for capturing the idea of movement. The realism of the muscle tension suggests that they are all ready to pounce. I really like the horse for the cata, it looks like its about to lunge over and bite the painter!

The rider looks a bit of a pansy though with his pretty bows on his feet and horse:laugh4:

Seriously, where did you learn to draw like that? I wish I could, but Im about average at inanimate objects and absolutely rubbish at people...

[kambiz]

i'm very busy with other units and such for the team, so as much as i would like to whip up some magic and do some wallpapers i think they'd beat me with the "do your EB homework!" stick.You're right mate.So you may want to consider it for your spare time :~)

[Olaf The Great]

Is it possible that the pictures can be used in Unit description art?

Looks perfect for it.

[Geoffrey S]

All 500 units? :inquisitive:

EB would need a larger art team for something like that. Event images, however, could be interesting.

[Forgus]

He looks like a Magyar. I know they are more late, but they used that type of armor.
Actually and unfortunately they did not.

[Rilder]

Siluri Birnai
https://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8363/caratacossiluribirnaiqr2.th.jpg (https://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacossiluribirnaiqr2.jpg)




Ok this guy (face and minus tatoos...) looks just like my dad....

[Fondor_Yards]

Ok this guy (face and minus tatoos...) looks just like my dad....

Well do you know what he does on the week ends...what he really does?

[Watchman]

...models ?

[paullus]

he looks a lot like my dad, with the tattoos! but my dad only wears that much in the way of clothes if he's goin out to church or a nice restaurant...

[Watchman]

"Do you want to know more ?"
- Robocop

[Rilder]

Well do you know what he does on the week ends...what he really does?

considering hes a truck driver I find that vary unlikely

[Caratacos]

At fear of generating an ensuing legal struggle my team of top price lawyers have instructed me to comminucate the following disclaimer:

No fathers were harmed, photgraphed or used as models in the making of these artworks. All likenesses to persons real or imagined are purely coincidental.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Time for another update. This one is an Indo-Greek Noble Hoplite. It has not been created yet - we still would like to ask for talented skinners and modellers who are interested in helping us create all these new and gorgeous units to contact us. You can see more of these in post #1 in this thread. Great work again Caratacos!

https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/995/caratacosindogreeknobilfv8.jpg

[paullus]

i know i've seen it before, but that is so sweet. where are the skinners and modellers? this thing is gorgeous!

[Fondor_Yards]

Argh why must you people make the Baktrians even MORE tempting for me! Well TA kept his word about this thread, my faith has been restored!

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

This picture answers one thing about the Bactrians: why the are so powerful and conquer everything in the path. They are clearly dark jedi.



(I'm making reference to his eye color and grim face.)

[Fondor_Yards]

All hail our new sith overlords

[cdbavg400]

What's the sea horse thing on his shield? Were there coins found in Bactria with this figure on it? Or something else? I'm just curious.

[Caratacos]

What's the sea horse thing on his shield? Were there coins found in Bactria with this figure on it? Or something else? I'm just curious.

It's called a hippocamp. Not the most well known greek monster and like most is depicted in various forms. I got my main inspiration from a vase (not bactrian) but was also given other reference pictures that were bactrian (i think). Keravnos would be able to tell you more, though.

[Krusader]

What's the sea horse thing on his shield? Were there coins found in Bactria with this figure on it? Or something else? I'm just curious.

Hippocampus. Mix between horse and dolphin.

And by the sources I've read and what more knowledgeable EB members have told, the hippocampus apparently was a popular motiff among Indo-Greeks and been found in many sites in modern Pakistan and on maybe on coins too.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Wonderful new unit Caratacos, you really do have talent - you could get a job with that sort of high quality artwork.

[Eduorius]

Yeah. Why dont you ask for work at Osprey books?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Nah, he should get a job with the CA.

[Fondor_Yards]

Nah, he should get a job with the CA.

So they can waste him making those lame images they have? Yea right

[keravnos]

What's the sea horse thing on his shield? Were there coins found in Bactria with this figure on it? Or something else? I'm just curious.

In Baktria/Indo Greek kingdom (I Wish that there is a way an emergent faction to be made as per history) a great cultural amalgamation took place. In it, images/mythos of one culture joined that of another, and a new mix took place. Such as the following... Ichtyocentaur, which if the time comes for a IndoGreek kingdom to be its own faction, I will propose as its emblem.

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Ichthyo-Centaur.jpg

This was a mix of a good old Centaur from mainland Greece, a place IndoGreeks left long ago in a land far far away with the Dragon/Long snake that the Steppe people had. It has also been theorized that it was chinese/Han influence. Just look at the painting on the Elephant "carpet".

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Phalera.jpg

Other than that, indeed hippocampus was a popular theme, as were many more, like the bull, the hump ox of India, elephants, zeus, athena, heracles, dionysus which is the most probable rider of the following Ketos (head of a ram, front bust/legs of a horse, and hind twin tails of a dragon as in the above elephant pic. (I suppose this design in a stone pallette rigns a bell, ain't it?) :beam:

https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/StonePalette1.jpg

[Teleklos Archelaou]

It's about time for some more unit development art. Here is the latest release, the Numidian Royal Cavalry:

https://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4292/caratacosroyalnumidiancor3.jpg

Spirit of Rob already has created the unit too btw. :grin:

[Eduorius]

I think Tanit will really like this one.

Masinissa is so alive now with this drawing =)

[Tanit]

I've been loving it for a while now :)

Its even my background for my desktop!

[Gazius]

Where did the indo-greeks learn about dolphins?

[keravnos]

Where did the indo-greeks learn about dolphins?

First of all, there was communication with the Mediterranean world they left behind, albeit very scarce and with problems... (check for periplous in wikipedia if you want to know more), and also we have accounts of mercs claiming to have served in India.

When IndoGreeks conquered the Indus delta they became re-acquainted with the "sea" their ancestors have been raving on and on about. Hellenes had always had a special relation to the sea, because they saw it not as an obstacle but as a means to an end, a "bus stop" if you will on the way to home. We still do! (Xenophon and his 10.000 crying "Thalatta!=sea) and all that.

As for the dolphin, it must have remained in popular mythos as the faithfull companion of ships in open sea. Once reconnected the sea, they would know what it was. If they didn't the greek merchants from Alexandria coming to India, would tell them, soon enough.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Where did they learn about gorgons, dragons, winged horses, etc.? :laugh4:

[keravnos]

Where did they learn about gorgons, dragons, winged horses, etc.? :laugh4:

... I have 3 things to say to theese ... unbiased/uncalled for accusations...

1
:ahh:
2
:hide:
3
:surrender:


Back to topic, this is a BLOODY FANTASTIC Numidian!

[HFox]

Bloody fantastic in agreement.....tis art!

[The Celt]

Where did they learn about gorgons, dragons, winged horses, etc.? :laugh4:
Didn't Dragons come form the Steppe peoples like the Saka, Sarmatians and Iranians?(Inc Persians)I seem to recall the Draco standards that the Romans adopted after they fought the Sarmatians and the Sassanids.:book:

[Fondor_Yards]

Hmmm nice unit. Going to be a better version of the normal numidia, just with better armour/weapons thus can actually fight in meele, cool. A little more spice for my all african armies for Cathage.

[Arkatreides]

Fantastic units - are we going to see more of this artwork ingame? Maybe as loading screen?

BTW, what happened to this one?

Edit: -Meh - nevermind -

[-Praetor-]

Fantastic units - are we going to see more of this artwork ingame? Maybe as loading screen?

BTW, what happened to this one?

XXXX

That artwork hasn`t been previewed yet by the team. A healthy advice? Edit that at once.

Dude... not cool.

[Arkatreides]

That artwork hasn`t been previewed yet by the team. A healthy advice? Edit that at once.

Dude... not cool.

Ok, done that, but it's not like it wasn't in a publicly available place ...:inquisitive:

[-Praetor-]

Ok, done that, but it's not like it wasn't in a publicly available place ...:inquisitive:

I know, it was just to avoid unnecesary troubles for you.

The team has had some problems before with this kind of issues (a guy completely spoiled the Epirus secret faction in the 0.72 release, a thing that repeated itself later on).

Thank you for your diligence.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Was that what I think it was? :grin: One of our guys saw it and didn't read the text right beneath it that said in all caps "don't use this yet!", but it was only visible for a few hours before he changed it.

Yeah, we have had leaks before, that was nothing compared to some of the early ones. Our Gallic FC put "FC of Aedui and Averni" in his sig line for a few hours once months before we were going to reveal it. In a map update I once left a little saba logo (that had never been merged down into its proper layer and I hadn't seen it) sitting on top of Maryab long before we revealed that one. Something happened with epeiros too, though I can't remember what.

[Arkatreides]

I am sorry if I caused any inconvenience. I just found it and thought it was an oversight that it was not included in this post.


And btw TA, it is still there, so you might want to remove it if you want to keep it secret for the time being.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

It's not your fault Ark. No worries. :grin: It was something different than I was thinking it was anyway, so we've leaked two new (but harmless) things accidently in the last two days. :laugh4:

[cdbavg400]

The EB team is comprised of geniuses. Thanks for the excellent responses!

[Caveira]

Could the artist behind these wonderful drawings, by any chance, write a small text explaining how he does them?

Something like:
I draw them in paper, scan them, then colour them in Photoshop.

I'm thinking about doing this kind of stuff too, for my website, if it's not too hard. Some advice from a pro like you would be not just apreciated, but also very helpful. I have to make a website, it's the project of this year in Informatic Applications, a discipline that I have in school (11th grade, I'm 16).

EDIT: Nevermind! I just remembered you have asnwered me this previously: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=77139&highlight=feel+inspired Seems like you got recruited trough that topic if I understand right : )

[Caratacos]

There is also a description of the creation process on the first page of this thread for anyone who is interested.

[Radier]

Excellent drawings Caratacos!

About the Galaecian Skirmisher... From which region does it come from?

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi Radier,
I beleive they come from the city of Ankrya in Asia Minior.

[Radier]

Oh, he is a celt isn't he? Not a native... If my lame guess is correct, how come they are not called Galatians? Did they belong to another celtic group which also migrated?

[Fondor_Yards]

Galaecia is the north west corner of Iberia. It's Galaecian, not Galatian. They were iberians with a ton of celtic influence.

[Krusader]

Galaecia is the north west corner of Iberia. It's Galaecian, not Galatian. They were iberians with a ton of celtic influence.

Correct. The area is called Galicia or Galaecia still today.

As a sidenote, the Sweboz (or Suebi/Suevi) ended up creating a kingdom in Galaecia later on:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ef/Hispania3.JPG

[Eduorius]

Is the land of the famous "Gallegos"

[Radier]

Thanks for clearing things up!

[Obelics]

NEW PUBLIC RELEASE!! (Feb. 26, 2007)
Royal Numidian Cavalry
https://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4292/caratacosroyalnumidiancor3.th.jpg (https://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=caratacosroyalnumidiancor3.jpg)

wow! Im a big fan of the numidian cavalry! So will be this go to replace the old numidian cavalry (I read somewhere it was a placeholder, and to be sincere i never loved it very much) or it will be a new more advanced unit? If it is a more advanced unit as you can understand by its name, then will there be a new low-end numidian cavalry?

thanks for that unit art!

[Bonny]

If it is a more advanced unit as you can understand by its name, then will there be a new low-end numidian cavalry?


It's a more advanced unit, atm i do't know if the lower end unit will change..

[spirit_of_rob]

It's a more advanced unit, atm i do't know if the lower end unit will change..

It is on the list to be updated yes

[Obelics]

great news thanks!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

If you've installed the hotfix, or visited the EB website gallery recently, you've seen the latest released unit Caratacos has drawn for us. Here it is for everyone else:

https://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4738/caratacostwohandedchampnc5.jpg

[ywingpilot]

I reckon he should redone the RTW portraits

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Just wait till you see the next two he's done. Absolutely stunning stuff.

[shlin28]

Bloody...

What faction is it for?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Casse. Oh, and he hasn't been started on (model/texture) yet though. The next one we will post has been started though, and the last one (numidian royal cav) has been finished by Spirit of Rob.

[BozosLiveHere]

Casse. Oh, and he hasn't been started on (model/texture) yet though. The next one we will post has been started though, and the last one (numidian royal cav) has been finished by Spirit of Rob.

Maybe we should post side-by-side screenshots of the numidian cav drawing and the end product. Would be really nice to show how concept is translated into the actual stuff.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Rob's latest drawing of the unit doesn't have it mounted though - if he could do a render of it mounted, I'd post them in a new thread in the public fora - side by side.

[Geoffrey S]

That latest unit is stunning; Caratacos, your work keeps getting better and better!

[Fondor_Yards]

Casse. Oh, and he hasn't been started on (model/texture) yet though. The next one we will post has been started though, and the last one (numidian royal cav) has been finished by Spirit of Rob.

Don't the Casse already have a two handed champion unit in game?

[Caratacos]

Don't the Casse already have a two handed champion unit in game?

Yeah but it needed a re-evaluation.

[Obelics]

I reckon he should redone the RTW portraits

totally agree! have some good soul considered it? ....

or this could be done even from the guy who did the retinues too...

PS great unit that casse one!

[Geoffrey S]

What the heck is up with the Spahbade Pahlavanig description on the site? :inquisitive:

[Obelics]

What the heck is up with the Spahbade Pahlavanig description on the site? :inquisitive:

great!:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I think we are trying to make a template for Caratacos' work so that we have descriptions under them, and that was just filled in quickly with filler text till the proper one is inserted.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Alright guys, for the first time ever you will gaze upon a realistic depiction of a Pontic king of our mod's time frame (about 250 BC - mostly Persian still but with some Greek influence). I feel like this one is a little special because of that. Feast your eyes on this one:
https://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9268/caratacospontosgeneralyb6.jpg

[Krusader]

It sucks





:angel:









Hides from Teleklos

[Arkatreides]

It sucks





:angel:









Hides from Teleklos

ROFL!!!!!

But seriously ... that must be one of the best yet! Cannot wait to see it in-game!

[Eduorius]

I loove the griffin helmet and the fancy red shoes are awesome.


Caractacos is getting better drawing horses.

[Foot]

Caractacos is getting better drawing horses.

wait until you see the next one, then you'll see just how good he has become at drawing horses.

Foot

[CountArach]

lol, nice slippers :wink:

Awesome drawing! Can't wait to see it.

[Khazar_Dahvos]

beautiful

[Rilder]

!!! PONTOS FTW!!!! It looks soo.... By Athena's Spear its beautiful.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

xprime is working on it for us, but he's been pretty busy lately.

[Watchman]

I can imagine. Say, the point in the guy having that bronze-laminate sleeve on just the left arm wouldn't happen to be the troublesome rein hand being defended without having to pay much attention to it ?

[Obelics]

great unit people, i think it fit very well with the pontic bodyguards, it is totally Baroque (love it!)
https://img245.imageshack.us/img245/1717/immaginehu2.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
(chiesa di San Gregorio/Santa Patrizia - im from THE city of the Baroque, im very sensible to that colours)


im sure i was dressed like that 200+ lives ago...
times are mature for a pahlava one? (if the next one is a pahlav general, please announce it before to post it, so to taste the think better)

PS: just for speculation, is it possible to have in rtw different generals for faction, for example for different periods? (an early general and a late general?) just for speculation, not demanding it.

[Foot]

PS: just for speculation, is it possible to have in rtw different generals for faction, for example for different periods? (an early general and a late general?) just for speculation, not demanding it.

Unfortunately no, that isn't possible.

Foot

[The Persian Cataphract]

I can imagine. Say, the point in the guy having that bronze-laminate sleeve on just the left arm wouldn't happen to be the troublesome rein hand being defended without having to pay much attention to it ?

Largely correct, though Xenophon does refer to it as "The Arm".

[HFox]

I think this is great......really nice.....one very picky point about the character......and this is so picky its silly and I will apologise in advance but....is the scabbard the right shape for that type of sword?

....the horse does need work but horses are notoriously bloody hard to draw....even stubbs doesnt get the right everytime.

...but if you ever wanted reference for a generals horse...

...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stubbs

...now the one half way down with your general on him would be very very nice indeed.....

very nice work leep it up :)

[Caratacos]

Thanks Hfox (for the Link).

About the scabbard shape. You have to remember that the sword will have to slide in and out of it as easily as it can. If it was the same shape you wouldn't be able to get the larger end of the makaira out of the then neck-- unless the size was exagerrated quite a bit. But yes i'm not too happy with it as it is (size and shape). If i get time i'll fix it. Perfectionism is a time consuming hobby :beam:

[Wolfman]

I can't wait to see these units in future builds of EB.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Caratacos has gotten some more work done for us, so we'll move yet another one of his unit development pics into the open forum. These really are showing a dramatic change in his style and ability I think, and this is his best yet possibly. It depicts our designs for the Hayasdan family member (which shares a model with the Pontic General you recently saw).
https://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1464/caratacoshaysadangeneraxj7.jpg

You can't tell me Caratacos isn't teh bomb. He's putting pressure on our model and texture guys now with these glorious images too - hard to live up to his art. :grin:

Unfortunately, it is so incredibly colorful that the EB member signature banner version of it that we now release has to be heavily desaturated so that it will fit under the size limit for sig banners here at the org. Otherwise the compression was really awful and ruined the whole thing. Here is the version we will use on other fora so you can see how cool it is :grin: (39kb):
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5821/logoarmenia2zblg6.jpg

Here is the one you will see here (10kb):
https://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8251/logoarmenia2zmm6.jpg

By the way, his next ones are really incredible too - can't wait to show more of them!

[Fondor_Yards]

By the way, his next ones are really incredible too - can't wait to show more of them!

Feel free to show them then!

[keravnos]

The best is yet to Come! Honest!

I must say that the HAI kings can now shine in all their splendor! Caratacos has done it again!

[The Persian Cataphract]

Pssst... TA, have it changed to the newest version, this is the one with the faulty title. When you have changed it, remove this post :smash:

[Caratacos]

Pssst... TA, have it changed to the newest version, this is the one with the faulty title. When you have changed it, remove this post :smash:

You're right, there were a few teensie touch-ups on the new one as well.

[The Persian Cataphract]

Code Red. Code Red. We got a leak, the cover-up has been blown, pull back, pull back :hmg:

Damn it, I wanted the cover-up to go smoothly, but nooo... You just came along with your 250 page report on the scandal, immortalizing it to the public :laugh4:

[Fondor_Yards]

Hey I don't remember that dust trail being there before....something fishy is going on here... quick call the papers! :phonecall:

[Dooz]

Wow. Makes me proud to be an Armenian seeing an ancestor like that. Absolutely beautiful Caratacos! From the shoes to the beard and face, you've really captured the essence of a great Hye leader. Thank you! I can not wait to see this unit in-game.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Got it, I see that there were some shading changes and the title was a little off. The proper one is now in place here.

[NeoSpartan]

WHY THE F**** DIDN'T I KNOW OF THIS THREAD BEFORE!!!!

Its freaking awesome :2thumbsup: Nice work dude.

Let me ask you, How long does it takes you to do them?

[Watchman]

Wow. Makes me proud to be an Armenian seeing an ancestor like that. Absolutely beautiful Caratacos! From the shoes to the beard and face, you've really captured the essence of a great Hye leader. Thank you! I can not wait to see this unit in-game.I always get an itchy feeling about this sort of attitude, but I'll give you he has that "ancient feudal warlord" thing down.

Caracatos still needs to work on his horses tho'. Especially the part where the neck joins the body. ~;) Having doodled a few horsies myself over time I know all too well how annoyingly complicated that part is, and can only wish him good luck and perseverance. :sweatdrop:

[Caratacos]

Nice work dude.

Let me ask you, How long does it takes you to do them?

Thanks. Well it all depends on the detail of the unit (these amoured horses take much longer than a half naked celt, for instance. Painting is the longest part and can take up to 6 hours or so. The sketches take anywhere from 20-60 minutes.


Caracatos still needs to work on his horses tho'. Especially the part where the neck joins the body. Having doodled a few horsies myself over time I know all too well how annoyingly complicated that part is, and can only wish him good luck and perseverance.

Yeah. I find i can draw naked horses much easier (:laugh4:), adorning them in stuff becomes tricky as you have to think about perspective and anatomy more. I shal persevere :bow:

[NeoSpartan]

Thanks. Well it all depends on the detail of the unit (these amoured horses take much longer than a half naked celt, for instance. Painting is the longest part and can take up to 6 hours or so. The sketches take anywhere from 20-60 minutes.



Yeah. I find i can draw naked horses much easier (:laugh4:), adorning them in stuff becomes tricky as you have to think about perspective and anatomy more. I shal persevere :bow:

Thats good man, but I can garantee that it will start taking u less time as you keep painting.

I gotta say, I am inspired now the only thing that sucks for me its that I can't do a horse :wall: (yet)

But where can I see the full ROMANI in ur sig????

[Caratacos]

The Spartan and the Roman I did especially for the sigs (as people were demanding them-- myself included). So they aren't full units (and both already in game).

[Boyar Son]

Dang I want those sigs....

[NeoSpartan]

The Spartan and the Roman I did especially for the sigs (as people were demanding them-- myself included). So they aren't full units (and both already in game).

Dang it! Well its all good, the Sig its awesome!

[Karielle]

Beautiful work, they all look unbelievably professional! :2thumbsup:

[spirit_of_rob]

The Spartan and the Roman I did especially for the sigs (as people were demanding them-- myself included). So they aren't full units (and both already in game).


We werent demanding them politey requesting was what we were doing:2thumbsup:

[Bactron]

Oh man oh man. I love that Inod Greek noble hoplite. I so desperatly want it. I had played as Bactria (It was awsome campaign) and it had CTD. And this new unit would be a great reason for me to start it as Bactria again. I am really in love with that picture. Nice work.

Is there any progress with moddeling this unit into the game?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

It's closer to anti-progress at this point for that particular unit, but we're still working on it - we may need some elbow room on trying to make it fit properly though with our model space.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Caratacos has been working on some stuff that's going to be too cool to release to the public before the next build, so we haven't had anything new here recently (well, he's a machine, so this is all relative - they were just coming very quickly before). We've got something for the folks who visit this thread though, and hopefully this will tide you over a little.

These smaller banners are for public use. They are each under 5k, so if you want you can even fit two of them in a signature without them going over the 10k limit. Enjoy!


https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8982/logoaedui2bsmallyg7.jpg
https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2286/logoarverni2bsmallta9.jpg
https://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4322/logobaktria2bsmallyi9.jpg
https://img109.imageshack.us/img109/511/logobritons2bsmallcc6.jpg
https://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3892/logobritons2b2smallat6.jpg
https://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2346/logodacia2bsmalldk5.jpg
https://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1197/logoarmenia2bsmallzb5.jpg
https://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9144/logogreeks2bsmallai3.jpg
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9256/logoiberia2bsmallsi1.jpg
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/281/logoparthia2bsmallot0.jpg
https://img480.imageshack.us/img480/425/logopontos2bsmallbb7.jpg
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4129/logotsorim2bsmallga6.jpg
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8195/logoromans2bsmallpa3.jpg
https://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1193/logosakae2bsmalllw7.jpg

[Arkatreides]

Very nice! I like the new Aedui banner.

[The Celt]

Hey no fair! I can't use add those banners to my sig! It says "you may not link to external websites" is this because I'm a junior member or something?:book:
Awesome work tho, really like that Arverni banner!

[Karielle]

Same problem here.. I've pretty much given up on putting any pictures in my sig. ~:mecry:

But yes. Love the Baktria, Getai, and Qarthadastim banners!

[ElectricEel]

is this because I'm a junior member ... ? Yes.

[The Celt]

Yes.
Damn! Guess I'll have to go visit the other forums here.:juggle2:

[Wolfman]

Awesome!!! For a minute I was kinda jealous seeing that only EB members could get banners that had Caractos work on them. My dreams have come true.

[Caratacos]

Heh, they've been made "members" now. The gods smile upon you :wink2:.

[Karielle]

Do I get +1 Influence, -1 personal security..? :inquisitive:

Anyway, thank you, oh great, invisible ones.. :bow: Now I can run around with the spiffy banners!

[Caratacos]

I like the idea of showing what you are currently playing in your sig, Karielle. If you have multiple campaigns you can just tack more on as well (provided i've drawn a pic for that faction :wink2:)

[Krusader]

I like the idea of showing what you are currently playing in your sig, Karielle. If you have multiple campaigns you can just tack more on as well (provided i've drawn a pic for that faction :wink2:)

Hence why Im not playing my beloved Maks, Selukids or Ptolemaioi :furious3:



:grin:

[Wolfman]

How do you put these images in your signature? I can't get the image to show up on my signature bar. I can only get the upload link.

[Caratacos]

Save the desired pic on your computer then upload it to an imagehosting service (imageshack is good- no registration required) then paste the embeddable code (for forums) in your signature and save. Violà.

[The Celt]

Save the desired pic on your computer then upload it to an imagehosting service (imageshack is good- no registration required) then paste the embeddable code (for forums) in your signature and save. Violà.
or you could just copy the image's location via link. Then put in front and on the back like so: -insert link here-. Thats how I did it anyway.:idea2:

[Domitius Ulpianus]

Ok, mental notes, for myself:

No. 1: Twice a day check carefully all the sticky post, so you will NEVER AGAIN miss a post like this one, while thinking you have already read all the sticky posts.

No. 2: NEVER AGAIN waste 20 posts discussing a movie like 300 while neglecting a post like this.

No. 3: Call monday morning and get appointment with Oftalmologist...I might be turning blind.


Caratacos, chapeau pour toi!!!:2thumbsup:

VOTE CARATACOS FOR PRIME MINISTER!!!!!!!!

[Wolfman]

It worked. Thanks guys. I used The Celts Advice and it worked like a charm.

[The Celt]

Your welcome! And now that I've installed the Citymod I'll have to change the Arverni banner to something else since my saved game isn't compatible!!:shame:
(Helloooo Baktria!:2thumbsup: )

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Time for another treat for you guys!

Caratacos has done a piece featuring our next Saka Heavy Cataphract unit:
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9660/caratacossakaheavycatapka0.jpg

If the steppe guys want to talk about the unit they can, but this is to show off Caratacos' art primarily so I won't start off with anything else about it other than to show it off to you folks here. Now our guys can use the sig banners with it in them too. :grin:

[The Celt]

All I can say is.......nice mustache!:laugh4:

[Eduorius]

The best horse so far ;)

[Teleklos Archelaou]

One more fan sig banner image is added now also:

https://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1193/logosakae2bsmalllw7.jpg

[Fondor_Yards]

Kuzza!

[Karielle]

Very nice! I love how backgrounds are being integrated into the recent pieces, adds to the general atmosphere of the artwork.. Marked improvement in anatomy as compared to the first cavalry piece too. I'm willing to bet that art of this quality and calibre is saleable, if Caratacos is so inclined. :yes:

[Bartix Elite Guard]

Are you a woman Karielle? Must be the first I've seen here. How you doin'?

Great work Caratacos. :2thumbsup:

[NeoSpartan]

Oh yeah.... my sig feels good now....


thx Caratacos for making them!

[Caratacos]

Actually thank Teleklos Archelaou, he makes them. I just draw the funny doodles that appear on them :wink2:

[The Wicked]

Hi guys since i'm new to the EB world it's my honour to praise the Unit Development Art team.. FANTASTIC Units just FANTASTIC Art :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: especially what you have done with the phalanxes and the hoplites.. keep up the great work !!!

[Karielle]

Are you a woman Karielle? Must be the first I've seen here. How you doin'?

Doing fine, thanks! And well, yes, I'm female, but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one around here. :balloon2:

[antiochus epiphanes]

Are you a woman Karielle? Must be the first I've seen here. How you doin'?

Great work Caratacos. :2thumbsup:
i must be getting old, seems like yesterday abokasee started the bartix thread......





is that still here anyways?

[Bartix Elite Guard]

Does your signature mean you've finalized the EB2 faction list?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

These aren't new units, but they are very nice pics Caratacos did so that we could have some nice signature banners for those factions - and he did such a great job with them that it's a shame you haven't been able to see them at full size.

Just wait till you see the next two sig banner ones at full size! :grin:

Roman Legionaire
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7305/caratacoslegionaireqa1.jpg

Spartiate
https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1041/caratacosspartiatejt1.jpg

[Bonny]

i must be getting old, seems like yesterday abokasee started the bartix thread......





is that still here anyways?

Yes, it is (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=47080&highlight=Bartix)

[Caveira]

Awesome. You've inspired me to draw. I don't haves some of the hardware you do, but you know what they say, if you don't have a dog, hunt with a cat. I'm going to try to make a princips. Basing myself on a RTR model, i tried drawing the borders in Paint, but i'm having some difficulty in the right leg and the shield, and I have to idea how to draw the face/boots. Any suggestions? Oh and please don't laugh too much. This is still my first to attempt to draw anything since I am 7 years old or so. :laugh4:

Link (https://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7064/princepswireframepnggq7.png)

[The Celt]

That's actually a pretty damn good job for someone who hasn't drawn since they were 7.:2thumbsup:

[keravnos]

That's actually a pretty damn good job for someone who hasn't drawn since they were 7.:2thumbsup:

Aye!

Back to topic... (And I must say before hand that I mean no offense to anything religious)...

in EB we count time as Before Caratacos Era,
and Caratacos Era.

[Caveira]

lol truth be told, Caratacos does deserve that honour. :2thumbsup:

[Caratacos]

I'm really pleased to have been able to inspire you to draw again after all these years (though i don't know how many). It is very flattering (and i'd never laugh at anyone's creativity). However beware of tracing other pictures, you'll learn next to nothing by going about it that way. Copying pictures is better (that's how all artists begin) but even then it limits you severely. Illustration is a process after all, and if you don't learn the correct process you'll find it very difficult to progress. For years I would draw good and bad pictures and not know why one was better than the other, just getting lucky every now and then. The truth is there are rules that determine whether a picture is good/appealing/eye-catching. These you must learn-- it takes time and a lot of work.
A good illustration, like anything good, must have foundations and be built up from them. That is you must start from scratch. What it appears you have done is trace directly over another picture. That or draw the linework on a new "page" as it sat next to the original. This isn't starting from scratch. If you start from scratch you'll know exactly what is happening on the page. If you construct his body from a basic "skeleton" of lines and shapes* you'll know exactly what his arm is doing behind that shield or if he is carrying his bodyweight on his heel or the ball of his foot. You'll know which muscles he is tensing and which he is relaxing-- hell you'll even know what his toes are doing in his boots! This is the origin of the problems you have uncovered and are asking me about.
From what I understand you don't own a scanner. A digital camera is a fairly decent substitute. If you don't have that a cell phone camera will do the job (but offer lesser quality). Anyway my advice is picking up a pencil and piece of paper and starting again-- though you probably didn't want to hear that, huh?
Draw the "skeleton" and work out the pose so it looks strong and you are happy with it (leave out all details at this point). Once the pose looks good start fleshing out the body. But it's best to start studying some anatomy at this stage-- that's right, naked people. Life drawing classes help immensely. But perhaps that is too much commitment. You can instead try some tasteful nude photography sites-- NOT porn. It's distracting, and if it's not your computer its owner might not be happy about it-- a nice way to get viruses and the like. And when you look at these pictures you are not looking at breasts and bums but muscle, fat and bone. That is, imagine what is happening under the skin that is making the arm do that (or whatever). Are they putting most of their weight on this limb? And what affect does that have on the muscle (etc.). For learning about the different muscles and how they fit together try medical diagrams-- they are very helpful.

But if you wanna cheap it and finish your picture "as is" that's okay too. I'd search online for a face in a similar position and copy it. As for the leg (you mean "his right", right?) I'd raise it a bit at the knee-- his thigh looks longer than his foreleg which is wrong. I'd also lengthen his left foot-- as at the moment it looks too flat (the perspective doesn't look right).

I hope this helps, Caveira. And keep it up! With a bit of work you'll be fine.

*By lines and shapes i mean an elipse for a head, a line going down from there as his spine to a rectanglular pelvis. The arms and legs are simple lines connected by circles that are the joints (shoulders/elbows/knees) and extremities (hands/feet).

[keravnos]

lol truth be told, Caratacos does deserve that honour. :2thumbsup:

Indeed. Your post struck a nerve here, as I used to draw and quite well, when I was a kid, and now can't draw to save my life. :embarassed:

I have set my eyes on the below, though, and plan to acquire it at the first opportunity... Maybe I will draw a stickman with a cross for a sword 10 yrs from now...:2thumbsup:

http://the-structure-of-man.blogspot.com/

[Caveira]

Thank you very much, that helps a lot! And yes I do have a scanner, and I did try drawing in paper and then scanning it, but I found it hard to properly select "areas" using photoshop, so I ended up using MS Paint to replace my "pencil lines" with pure black "pixel lines". In any case, let me thank you one more time for all the suggestions, I'm certainly going to make use of them. I'll later show here what my drawing ended up like.

[Caratacos]

Have this on your computer screen and sit in front with your drawing pad and refer to it as you draw your own version.
https://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8135/muscleguykh7.th.jpg (https://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=muscleguykh7.jpg)

Not that this is a "learn to draw" thread but I was feeling nice and decided to sketch this up. My anatomy is a real weak point for me and this sketch contains a few errors but it might help. Note the thumbnail at the top-- do these first so you can "nail" the pose (this one I in fact drew afterwards *tsk! tsk!* just so you could see what my simple skeletons look like). Also note the horizon line and perspective lines. Using them i can the place his feet on the ground as opposed to having him sit in space with his feet hanging no where. So look up 2-point perspective as well. And practice drawing hands and feet on their own (not that I do *tsk! tsk!* again). Once you've given him a face you can then give him clothes, a helmet and anything else you want.

I am still very much an amateur and am learning all the time as I draw. Err that's supposed to be encouragement... :sweatdrop:

Okay that's the thread hijack over...

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Are you guys ready for the next installment here? We're releasing another image of a unit that Caratacos did for our sig banners and other promotional art, but it isn't a unit development pic. This is just a more detailed version of the little image you see in the Arverni sig banners now.

Arverni Arjos:
https://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5561/caratacosaverniarjosmj8.jpg

[Caveira]

:jawdrop:

that's what I have to say about the anatomy and gallic warrior screen

As for the naked dude:

OMGWTF? LOL :laugh4:

Edit: How do you draw the chainmail? I'm guessing it's a texture to which you give a 3d effect (with PS?), but I'd like to hear from you. Sorry to be asking so many questions, but you've been very helpful and I like learning new stuff.

[Watchman]

Needs more chest hair. :biker:

[abou]

Actually... can we get T-shirts? I think the left over money can go towards paying the cost of the website and maybe an upgrade in hosting if we need more bandwidth.

[Caratacos]

Needs more chest hair. :biker:

Actually they shaved all over (apparently)... well not ALL over.

[Watchman]

Drat.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Actually... can we get T-shirts? I think the left over money can go towards paying the cost of the website and maybe an upgrade in hosting if we need more bandwidth.
We have discussed it actually. Some members wished we could use money from it to *only* pay website server costs, but many preferred just making them available directly at cost through a third party website (basically EB would just provide the graphics - that's all), but still others felt any attempt to do anything in this manner would potentially concern CA and we shouldn't risk anything at all.

[Antagonist]

Really excellent artworks, a credit to the mod. My only criticism might be that the Gaesatae fellow's expression looks surprisingly... normal for a naked drug-crazed berserker brandishing a human head.

But perhaps that's just me perpretating barbarian stereotypes. :embarassed: :sweatdrop:

Keep up the great work. :2thumbsup:

Antagonist

[Wolfman]

I like the shirt on the left. enough said

[Spoofa]

LOL i dont think the public would appreciate someone wearing a shirt with a naked man holding a head on it.... :laugh4:

[The Celt]

LOL i dont think the public would appreciate someone wearing a shirt with a naked man holding a head on it.... :laugh4:
Wow thats almost exactly what I said over at TWC.:laugh4: Yeah TA your right any attempt to merchandize EB would bring CA and SEGA down on your heads. I'd maybe wait until you guys are confident enough to make your own game.(The Lordz did it, and they aren't nearly as talented IMHO!):2thumbsup:

[Fondor_Yards]

Actually they shaved all over (apparently)... well not ALL over.

Doesn't one of the celtic baths buildings say they burned all their body hair off with some special soap? *Which would stink everything all to hell I assume*


Needs more chest hair.

Well he's got plenty down south, he can just transfer some up north.

[keravnos]

Wow thats almost exactly what I said over at TWC.:laugh4: Yeah TA your right any attempt to merchandize EB would bring CA and SEGA down on your heads. I'd maybe wait until you guys are confident enough to make your own game.(The Lordz did it, and they aren't nearly as talented IMHO!):2thumbsup:

We are NOT The Lordz and we will NEVER be. We are here because we love a good pc game, and historical authenticity first and foremost. EB's goal is to combine that. What Dave showed was for us members only. This is an all-volunteer effor to fix things we believe needed fixing on RTW, in an area that CA simply can't afford to spend that much time/research on. We, on the other hand can, and do.

Think of it this way. CA makes the next best thing, gives us this big huge sandbox to play in, whereas we on the other hand spend a couple of year, and even more and ACCORDING TO OUR OWN VISION, fix what we perceive were faults, and expand it where we consider it should be expanded. Then we go on the newer, better game, and CA can keep on perfecting the next TW franchise title etc.

It is a win, win, win situation. You all get a very good mod of a CA game, We get that sandbox full of opportunities and such-not to mention working on a game we all dreamt of playing, and CA gets the money from increased sales of RTW-M2TW and assorted mechandise. A perfect symbiosis if you ask me. Yet it can change. If people perceive that "THE LORDZ" path is the way to go, CA can very simply make a patch that makes modding its games impossible. Then we all lose as none of the "win,win,win" conditions apply. :thumbsdown: Let's not go down that road. We are perfectly happy as we are now.

Oh, and one other thing. I really hate it when people start bashing CA. I honestly do. We have a saying on my country, which goes something like..."Don't piss on the pool of drinking water". You can complain on it as long as you want, but ... don't piss on it.

[Watchman]

Well he's got plenty down south, he can just transfer some up north.
What, glue it on or something ? :inquisitive:

[alatar]

We are NOT The Lordz and we will NEVER be. We are here because we love a good pc game, and historical authenticity first and foremost. EB's goal is to combine that. What Dave showed was for us members only. This is an all-volunteer effor to fix things we believe needed fixing on RTW, in an area that CA simply can't afford to spend that much time/research on. We, on the other hand can, and do.

Think of it this way. CA makes the next best thing, gives us this big huge sandbox to play in, whereas we on the other hand spend a couple of year, and even more and ACCORDING TO OUR OWN VISION, fix what we perceive were faults, and expand it where we consider it should be expanded. Then we go on the newer, better game, and CA can keep on perfecting the next TW franchise title etc.

It is a win, win, win situation. You all get a very good mod of a CA game, We get that sandbox full of opportunities and such-not to mention working on a game we all dreamt of playing, and CA gets the money from increased sales of RTW-M2TW and assorted mechandise. A perfect symbiosis if you ask me. Yet it can change. If people perceive that "THE LORDZ" path is the way to go, CA can very simply make a patch that makes modding its games impossible. Then we all lose as none of the "win,win,win" conditions apply. :thumbsdown: Let's not go down that road. We are perfectly happy as we are now.

Oh, and one other thing. I really hate it when people start bashing CA. I honestly do. We have a saying on my country, which goes something like..."Don't piss on the pool of drinking water". You can complain on it as long as you want, but ... don't piss on it.


Great post. CA even said the same things in there press release on the m2tw expansion.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Oh, I will say this - if anyone really is incredibly interested, I can just post graphics here for them to use or put on their own shirts or whatever. That takes it out of our hands entirely. As long as no site others can use is made. Pretty much any of the art by caratacos is fair game. I might not be able to do it immediately, but I'll get around to it if people really want one of them posted. There are plenty of sites on the 'net where you can just plug in a graphic and give your paypal number and they will send you a tshirt or sweatshirt or whatever.

These are the ones I had done so far:
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8343/designsuy8.th.jpg (https://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=designsuy8.jpg)

[Caveira]

I like the idea, but please remove the "Europa barbarorum" text. That's way too nerdish. :2thumbsup:

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Sorry. That's the logo and that was the whole point of having it designed like that - so it's not just a cool unit, but represents the mod. "nerdish" is what EB is about man! :laugh4:

[The Celt]

Oh, and one other thing. I really hate it when people start bashing CA. I honestly do. We have a saying on my country, which goes something like..."Don't piss on the pool of drinking water". You can complain on it as long as you want, but ... don't piss on it.
Keravnos, no one was bashing CA. I understand your points but it is their game at heart so like TA said no Merchandising.:juggle2:

ONtopic:So is the next pic gonna be one we've already seen or will it be something new?

[keravnos]

Keravnos, no one was bashing CA. I understand your points but it is their game at heart so like TA said no Merchandising.:juggle2:

ONtopic:So is the next pic gonna be one we've already seen or will it be something new?

Celt, I wasn't referring on you. It was a general remark. "Soon" is the answer to the ONtopic...

[The Celt]

Celt, I wasn't referring on you. It was a general remark. "Soon" is the answer to the ONtopic...
Oh I'm sorry! Man I can be so over sensitive sometimes.:sweatdrop:

[keravnos]

Np.:2thumbsup:

[Wolfman]

I would glady wear a europa barbarorum shirt in public. just not one with a Gaesatae on it. The head in his hand kinda make me able to take the image though.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

We have decided to remove the image of the Gaesatae that Caratacos drew from the public fora. We've had some criticism of it being on the public threads, and although there was a little debate about it, we do agree that it's best to keep it off the public boards and probably shouldn't have made it up here in the first place. It was actually just designed for the signature banners at first, without the direct intent of putting it on the public boards, but we all still love Caratacos' work so much that it was too tempting to share all of it. And in this case "all of it" was a little too much :grin:. The team has made its final decision on the matter, so there is no need to further discuss it here.

So that you're not too disappointed though, here is another piece that Caratacos has done for one of our Sweboz units. Enjoy!

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4789/caratacosswebozsahsnotoei8.jpg

Here is the fan sig banner image:
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6988/logogermans2bsmallnn1.jpg

And finally, I thought I'd release a simple wallpaper design. I was working on this and just thought 'the simpler the better', so here is my first real go at it:

https://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5417/artwallpaperpontos1jr5.th.jpg (https://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artwallpaperpontos1jr5.jpg)

[Wolfman]

YESSS!!!!! SWEBOZ BANNERS FINALLY. I can't wait to see the sweboz general!

[SaFe]

We have decided to remove the image of the Gaesatae that Caratacos drew from the public fora. We've had some criticism of it being on the public threads, and although there was a little debate about it, we do agree that it's best to keep it off the public boards and probably shouldn't have made it up here in the first place. It was actually just designed for the signature banners at first, without the direct intent of putting it on the public boards, but we all still love Caratacos' work so much that it was too tempting to share all of it. And in this case "all of it" was a little too much :grin:. The team has made its final decision on the matter, so there is no need to further discuss it here.

So that you're not too disappointed though, here is another piece that Caratacos has done for one of our Sweboz units. Enjoy!

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4789/caratacosswebozsahsnotoei8.jpg

Here is the fan sig banner image:
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6988/logogermans2bsmallnn1.jpg

And finally, I thought I'd release a simple wallpaper design. I was working on this and just thought 'the simpler the better', so here is my first real go at it:

https://img252.imageshack.us/img252/5417/artwallpaperpontos1jr5.th.jpg (https://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=artwallpaperpontos1jr5.jpg)


Very, very wonderful piece of art.
Kudos to the artist.

[Enguerrand de Sarnéac]

One of the best yet! Very nice! :wacko:

His sword seems bent though...:curtain:

[Watchman]

Personally, I'd be more concerned about that scabbard which appears to be made for a smallsword...
:duel:

[Spoofa]

nontheless a great picture.

[Caratacos]

One of the best yet! Very nice! :wacko:

His sword seems bent though...:curtain:

Thanks. And that's what swords do.


Personally, I'd be more concerned about that scabbard which appears to be made for a smallsword...

yeah it's at the wrong angle (scabbard) for if it was any longer it would go through the ground and I thought that'd look worse. TBH I forgot to do the scabbard entirely so it was a fix up I added later. Initially this piece was done as a sig banner so the details are a bit "relaxed"-- I was only talked into making it a full picture after I had started it. Nonetheless I was somewhat lazy with it.

[Watchman]

Leaving that aside, I kinda like the pose and expression. It's like the guy's ducking and going "Whoa!" at the axe hitting his shield.

[Krusader]

Leaving that aside, I kinda like the pose and expression. It's like the guy's ducking and going "Whoa!" at the axe hitting his shield.

To me it looks more like "Okay...who has a deathwish!! He's sooo dead!"

[Watchman]

Granted, there's the "What sonuvabitch messed up my shield?!?!?" angle too. :smash:

And "Whoa, that was close - now you're gonna get it pal!"

[Casuir]

Bah no fair take away two and give us one

[Enguerrand de Sarnéac]

yeah it's at the wrong angle (scabbard) for if it was any longer it would go through the ground and I thought that'd look worse. TBH I forgot to do the scabbard entirely so it was a fix up I added later. Initially this piece was done as a sig banner so the details are a bit "relaxed"-- I was only talked into making it a full picture after I had started it. Nonetheless I was somewhat lazy with it.


Don't know about ancient Germanic warriors, but in medieval times scabbards were often hung in an angle, attached with two straps of leather to the main belt (which hung indeed from the shoulder). The belt around the waist was then fastened over the first one; keeping it in place and so.

It's really a nice picture. Could you perhaps post or PM [links to] some of your pencil sketches? I was impressed by the one you made from the legionnaire a few pages ago and it got me curious... (I'm an amateur myself)

[NeoSpartan]

[QUOTE=Teleklos Archelaou]....

So that you're not too disappointed though, here is another piece that Caratacos has done for one of our Sweboz units. Enjoy!

https://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4789/caratacosswebozsahsnotoei8.jpg

....QUOTE]

THAT was close! Looks like he is facing a nasty Frankish tribe.

[The Persian Cataphract]

Sorry. That's the logo and that was the whole point of having it designed like that - so it's not just a cool unit, but represents the mod. "nerdish" is what EB is about man! :laugh4:

Dude... That Grivpanvar...

Teleklos, I know you hate PMs, but please check your inbox :grin:

[Orb]

Come on, the Sahsnotoz has clearly just girded up his loins enough to enter the backroom here, and is now reconsidering.

[alatar]

I love that pic, it reminds me when two my elite italics launched a volly at the Spatan hoplites flank. The hoplite just rqaised there sheild turned to face them and charged, they took about 2 casulties and the elite italics were not happy. But they charged them aswell, Italies best against the best greeks, awesome...

(Slightly off topic but the pict made me think about it)

[Teleklos Archelaou]

https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1659/caratacoscaturigegaedanwd6.jpg

[Wolfman]

I am struck speechless. What faction does the unit belong to?

[Casuir]

Very nice, Caturiges were a gallic tribe I think.

[Orb]

Just look at that crazy freaky wookie-haired bastard. Excellent.
:laugh3:

[Watchman]

War paint was totally old skool for the Gauls though, wasn't it ? And "caedann" sounds awfully Iberian. Would Fuzzy Wuzzy here represent some sort of Celtiberian inbred backwoods hick who never heard painting yourself was so last season or something similar ?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1659/caratacoscaturigegaedanwd6.jpg
Bumping the new image from today to the next page so it's not missed.

[Fondor_Yards]

He looks just like the backwoods alpine inbred savage the gauls said they were. Sweet...

[Casuir]

War paint was totally old skool for the Gauls though, wasn't it ? And "caedann" sounds awfully Iberian. Would Fuzzy Wuzzy here represent some sort of Celtiberian inbred backwoods hick who never heard painting yourself was so last season or something similar ?

Gaedann sounds celtic. Theres already one warpainted gallic unit recruitable, the pictones. Caturiges were an alpine gallic tribe though, based in modern day Chorges.

[PSYCHO V]

Bumping the new image from today to the next page so it's not missed.


Perfect! Exactly as planned bar the belt which imho prefer was cord. Well done to Nate and Anthony / Ranika.



Very nice, Caturiges were a gallic tribe I think.

Yup, an alpine Gaul. Amongst other feats, the Caturiges were the tribe / nation that gave Hannibal grief crossing the alps. They were finally subdued by Rome at the end of EB's period.

my2bob

[Anthony]

I'll have the belt done as a cord when the unit is done, so, no concern. I realized I'd overlooked it in concepting a bit too late to worry about it, but the unit'll be corrected.

For others; Caturiges were out of date, mind you. They were relatively savage people in Gaul. Others Gauls were much cleaner and more organized. Caturiges were like this oasis of pre-Celtic inhabitants of the region, mixed with earlier Celts who'd entered it. They're meant to look out of date and savage by comparison. They were vicious tough, though, and it'll show, I hope, when we get them done.

[Watchman]

Mountain tribes, huh ? That definitely explains it - them highlands sometimes time-capsuled some seriously old and peculiar stuff thanks to sheer relative isolation.

[Wolfman]

maybe these warriors could be introduced to the convenience of soap by there more civilized cleaner celtic brethren.

[Fondor_Yards]

maybe these warriors could be introduced to the convenience of soap by there more civilized cleaner celtic brethren.

Soap is for the weak, real men bath in dirt.

[Watchman]

Real men rub it off with gravel.

[Glewas]

Does this mean that the Gauls will finally have a skirmisher unit? :2thumbsup:

Greek and Iberian skirmishers I don't really use, (as Aedui/Arverni),except for garrison units, but when I invade the Casse I usually enjoy fielding a couple Balroae units with my armies.

I would assume that these guys are only avaliable in the alpine regions and not widely available?

[Wolfman]

Soap is for the weak, real men bath in dirt.
Well from the way you all are talking it sounds like this tribe of Celts won't even have to fight. They'll just ward everybody off with their smell.:clown:

[Puupertti Ruma]

Weirdly enough, the paint on his face looks a little like the Khornate emblem in Warhammer fluff. Khorne is the chaos god of blood, battle and berserk rage, which in this instance seems quite appropriate.

Oh yeah! Awesome image! Well done Caratacos!

[Basileus Seleukeia]

Yes, you're right. didn't see it because I am mainly a worshiper of mighty Nurgle :laugh4:

[KLAssurbanipal]

I like this gallery. You are very talented. All pictures are vey good. :egypt:
but I would like to... :clown:

Could You make Greek, Seleucid, Carthaginian or Macedonian Units?
Usually You create barbarian and eatern units.

I would like to see:

Sacred Band Infantry,
Liby-poeni Infantry,
Carthaginian General,
Ptolemaic hetairoi,
SELEUCID, MACEDONIAN, OR PTOLEMAIC OFFICER,
Macedonian Phalangite (phyrgian style helmet),
Cretan archer,
Spartan Hoplite,
Indo-Greek Hoplite (beards).

Please... :yes: :yes: :yes:

[abou]

Caratacos does not actually do commissions. These works of art are used in the development process of units, which leave him very busy.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

We have most greek and roman units done, that's why there isn't a need for him to do **unit development art** for those types of units.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

KLA, there is already a Spartan Hoplite (a half picture made for sigs) and an Indo-Greek Hoplite (though without a beard) earlier in this thread.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Post 2 is updated above so that it will contain the fan versions of the released Caratacos signature banners. Here is also (this is not one big image, but a lot of little ones):

https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8982/logoaedui2bsmallyg7.jpghttps://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2286/logoarverni2bsmallta9.jpghttps://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4322/logobaktria2bsmallyi9.jpg
https://img109.imageshack.us/img109/511/logobritons2bsmallcc6.jpghttps://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3892/logobritons2b2smallat6.jpghttps://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2346/logodacia2bsmalldk5.jpg
https://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1197/logoarmenia2bsmallzb5.jpghttps://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9144/logogreeks2bsmallai3.jpghttps://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9256/logoiberia2bsmallsi1.jpg
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/281/logoparthia2bsmallot0.jpghttps://img480.imageshack.us/img480/425/logopontos2bsmallbb7.jpghttps://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4129/logotsorim2bsmallga6.jpg
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8195/logoromans2bsmallpa3.jpghttps://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1193/logosakae2bsmalllw7.jpghttps://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3781/logogermans2bsmallad4.jpg

He's been really busy with other things lately, so we haven't had new unit development art, but I think he's close to being able to do some more of them now.

[pezhetairoi]

Yup, it'd be great to see some Makedonian work and Ptolemaic ones! Maybe a Hetairos for Makedonia and an Argyraspidai for Seleukeia. That would be -cool-.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Alright ladies, time to turn the calendar to May for the next month on the "Men of EB" commemorative wall calendar. (:laugh4: Sorry Caratacos - couldn't resist! :grin:) Here is the new Celtiberian Heavy Infantry unit concept art from none other than Mr. C. himself:

https://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1323/caratacosiberianheavytd0.jpg

[Casuir]

Excellent as always.

[Reno Melitensis]

Nice mascular man. It will indeed be very hard for the young Hastati to bring down. Mat Jupiter protect us. Nice, very nice Mr.C.

Cheers

[HFox]

The poster/calendar isnt a bad idea.......

...can we have one single page with all the goodies in one frame....locked so we can't spam it.....just drool?

[Watchman]

Some of the proportions strike me as being a little off, though. On the other hand the detailing is excellent, and it certainly has the "concept" part down. Dig the vaguely sneering expression, too.

[Geoffrey S]

Looking nice. Face reminds me of Captain Carrot. Really dig the clear Celtiberian look, a great mix of cultures.

Only thing I'm not so certain about is the scabbard, it looks a bit too luxurious to me.

[Fondor_Yards]

Jesus he's got some big cannons. But wouldn't heavy celtiberian infantry=Loricati Scutari?

[Laundreu]

Jesus he's got some big cannons. But wouldn't heavy celtiberian infantry=Loricati Scutari?

I was under the impression that the Loricati Scutarii were a primarily Iberian troop unit.

[Caveira]

Hi, I'm making a drawing for my website (school project), inspired by caratacos, this is what I have done so far:

https://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3166/triarius14ga7.png

Can anyone tell me how to paint the chainmail?

It's a Triarius btw, half EB half RTR. I'm doing all the painting in Photoshop CS2.

[russia almighty]

Damn the Iberian peoples and there Steroids .

[MiniMe]

https://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8982/logoaedui2bsmallyg7.jpghttps://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2286/logoarverni2bsmallta9.jpghttps://img49.imageshack.us/img49/4322/logobaktria2bsmallyi9.jpg
https://img109.imageshack.us/img109/511/logobritons2bsmallcc6.jpghttps://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3892/logobritons2b2smallat6.jpghttps://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2346/logodacia2bsmalldk5.jpg
https://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1197/logoarmenia2bsmallzb5.jpghttps://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9144/logogreeks2bsmallai3.jpghttps://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9256/logoiberia2bsmallsi1.jpg
https://img145.imageshack.us/img145/281/logoparthia2bsmallot0.jpghttps://img480.imageshack.us/img480/425/logopontos2bsmallbb7.jpghttps://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4129/logotsorim2bsmallga6.jpg
https://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8195/logoromans2bsmallpa3.jpghttps://img364.imageshack.us/img364/1193/logosakae2bsmalllw7.jpghttps://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3781/logogermans2bsmallad4.jpg

I've got a strange expectation... Caratacos never did a thing about Epeiros...
Kull mentions a "new faction" here https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=82972
It seems to me that EB_team are going to exclude my favorite faction from the next version of EB...
or seriously redesign them...
or merge them with KH...
or replace them with bartixians...

or maybe it's just my grass too damn good and I'm getting a little bit paranoid these days.
:tumbleweed:

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Nah, he just hasn't had any new units to design yet for Ptolemies, Epeiros, Maks, or Seleukids. So that's the only reason we don't have any for those. We wouldn't have had one for Romans or KH either if he hadn't been wanting to do some sketches of a legionaire and a spartan.

We did have a few new greek units, but spirit of rob is so used to working on the factions that he has churned out the units before Nate had gotten requests to do pieces depicting those units. Nate's also working on some things that we will keep secret for now, but that is why we don't have a stream of new art for the public boards lately like it was before.

[Casuir]

Thought I saw one of those chainmail veil guys he'd done for seleukids?

[Teleklos Archelaou]

That was discoskull. He did four pieces for us and then sort of vanished. But his work did catch the eye of caratacos, who contacted us about doing more after he had seen the work of discoskull. I'm the one who puts together the sig banners mostly, and I want to keep them consistent, so I'm only using caratacos' art for these new units ones.

[Redmeth]

You really should incorporate some of Caratacos' art into some loading screens because I've learned the Calawre, Cingetos and Cohors Reformata ones by heart. And I think these types of loading screens, the ones describing the units and their equipment in depth are the best. Not that I have something against the ones made up of maps
And more quotes would also be great, the Celtic ones from the "Cycles" are just awesome.

[keravnos]

You really should incorporate some of Caratacos' art into some loading screens because I've learned the Calawre, Cingetos and Cohors Reformata ones by heart. And I think these types of loading screens, the ones describing the units and their equipment in depth are the best. Not that I have something against the ones made up of maps
And more quotes would also be great, the Celtic ones from the "Cycles" are just awesome.

Let's just say we think along the same lines...:2thumbsup:

[Caratacos]

Meanwhile...

Someone asked to see my sketches aways back... so here's a progression of how things work... sort of...

Saka Elite/Heavy Cataphract:

https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3358/sakaheavycatxx7.th.jpg (https://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sakaheavycatxx7.jpg)https://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2314/sakaheavycataen0.th.jpg (https://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sakaheavycataen0.jpg)https://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8138/sakaheavycataphractwe5.th.jpg (https://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sakaheavycataphractwe5.jpg)... and then colour (abviously)

As you can see there were a few changes-- mainly to the horse armour.

Hayasdan General:

https://img85.imageshack.us/img85/623/haysadangensketchsu7.th.jpg (https://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haysadangensketchsu7.jpg)https://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8297/haysadangeneralbwmk7.th.jpg (https://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=haysadangeneralbwmk7.jpg)

I wasn't vey happy with the horse in this one. I still aren't but it does look a helluva lot better than the orignal (as you can no doubt see).... ughhhh :sick:

Pontos General:

https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6614/pontosgeneral2oe5.th.jpg (https://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontosgeneral2oe5.jpg)https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4241/pontosgeneralff7.th.jpg (https://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontosgeneralff7.jpg)

This one actually had pretty much been designed (after a very lengthy discussion) and didn't require any real changes in design-- Thanks again, Dave :wink2:.

Unfortunately as I have other commitments and do this in my spare time they were a little bit too rushed for my liking. If I could redo them I'd definitely tidy up the scale armour a bit (particularly the Pontos Gen.).

So yeah... they start off really ugly and then I sort of hammer out most (not all) of the ugly bits until i'm happy (though never totally happy) with them.

[Miles Sueborum]

Excellent work - all of the immages.
Have you ever thought about making some faction based wallpapers using these? The wallpapers I tried to do aren't much more than bad jokes ^^

But I got a question: Were do I find a complete immage of that Gaestatae holding the head of a former enemy in his left?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

That image was removed and is no longer available.

[pezhetairoi]

Censorship, y'know, for those who can't take a guy waving a piece of flesh. And I don't mean the head.

...Well, maybe I do, just a different sort, wot?

Too bad there's no modesty patch for this, I would've liked that Gaesatae on my desktop.

[Miles Sueborum]

What a pity - and it is really not aviable anymore? Not even on sides the EB-Team isn't responsible for and couldn't be harmed for a picture showing a naked "Barbarian"? ^^

[HFox]

OK

Whats the difference between the unit art....and michael angelos david. Both are unashamed, art, historical, not in anyway pornographic or 'silly'. Next thing we'll have to cover up any naked knees shown in the unit art!

Sorry but this type of pithyness is a load of bollocks....in both senses :).

I vote for his reinstatement.....bollocks to the prissy brigade!!

[Wolfman]

What does a knee have to do with a willy? I agree with you in terms of historical accuracy since these warriors fought in the nude or close to it. The original way the EB team posted the picture was in a spoiler so anybody could choose whether they wanted to see the picture or not. I think that this way was fair.

[Orb]

Not going to happen.

The spoiler didn't work on the TWC, we knew we were taking a risk in putting it up, there were complaints, so we, as a courtesy, withdrew the image. Perhaps, and I'm not sure about this, we could give the image by pm to someone who requested it.

We'll see.