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Fondor_Yards
02-12-2007, 04:00
I was wondering if you plan on including any more indian and indo-hellenic units? The Hoplitai Indoi thing mentions Pezhetairoi Indoi*easy to guess* and Hoplitai Indoi Beltistoi*which are what?*.
Edit: Duh I'm stupid.
Teleklos Archelaou
02-12-2007, 04:08
Keep your eye on the Unit Development Art thread in the near future. That will answer your question to a degree. :grin:
Fondor_Yards
02-12-2007, 04:16
Keep your eye on the Unit Development Art thread in the near future. That will answer your question to a degree. :grin:
So I can look it at and think to myself "Well TA said there might be some indian units displayed, this must be it!" guess indian unit, and have it in fact be a germanic heavy axeman? I think not! That might have worked the first two times but I've learned my lesson!:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:
Nah, you can believe TA on this one. Watch it closely soon you'll see your awnser over there.
And everybody knows I'm a saint and would never tease fans.
I was wondering if you plan on including any more indian and indo-hellenic units? The Hoplitai Indoi thing mentions Pezhetairoi Indoi*easy to guess* and Hoplitai Indoi Beltistoi*which are what?*.
Edit: Duh I'm stupid.
Well Hoplitai Indoi Beltistoi means "Best Indian Hoplites"
PS: You are not stupid. Don't be so hard on yourself:laugh4:
pezhetairoi
02-13-2007, 16:31
Are the Indian Longbowmen going to have an ethnic name? Right now they're in English, which I think is a bit of an OOC thing at the moment. ^_^
Fondor_Yards
02-13-2007, 23:33
Well Hoplitai Indoi Beltistoi means "Best Indian Hoplites"
PS: You are not stupid. Don't be so hard on yourself:laugh4:
The edit was a question about unit with unequal stats, but then I noticed I was looking at the stats for a different unit when I was comparing them. A really blond moment.
VandalCarthage
02-14-2007, 01:39
Threads like this warm my heart ~:) I'm so glad I nagged for these units.
keravnos
02-14-2007, 23:53
Threads like this warm my heart ~:) I'm so glad I nagged for these units.
Yep! I agree! :yes:
Teleklos Archelaou
02-15-2007, 00:10
You two. Gah! :grin:
Brightblade
02-15-2007, 00:38
So basically, though, as Baktria you can choose to use Pezhetairoi or normal Hoplites... however, aren´t the pezhetairoi going to be enormously better every time? What´s the incentive for recruiting the Indians? Asides from their great curry food that leaves you with quite an intestinal hangover? :laugh4:
Seriously though, as I´m thinking of making Baktria my first campaign for .81 and I´ve been without EB for 2 weeks cause I´m masochist, why should I go for Indian hoplites?
TA you sessy lug, throw me a bone ére m8.
Cheers
Hoplites are hard as nails even out of phalanx formation. They are better in every situation with the exception of a phalanx push. When I'm desperate I use them as shock troops, as long as they aren't against elites they are fine.
Teleklos Archelaou
02-15-2007, 03:37
Plus, why would anyone want a whole army of the same type of unit? Use a couple of good infantry units on the wings of your core pezhetairoi. Not everyone in a given province has to be trained or fight the exact same way. Anyway, the hoplites we're talking about here are not the basic hoplitai units you find in old greek cities.
Brightblade
02-15-2007, 10:22
Year, too many units of the same type is boring. However, I seem to have a recurring tendency to recruit all kinds of units.. some factions have such an ample array of units (like Baktria), life is full of tough decisions.:thumbsdown:
Fondor_Yards
02-15-2007, 23:27
Threads like this warm my heart ~:) I'm so glad I nagged for these units.
As a crazy fan who likes to play every faction and use all the crazy exotic units, I thank you, oh nagger.
and sometimes you cant recruit enough of one 'powerful' unit from only a couple of provinces, especially with the selucids grinding away at your armies, you need the production power of many provinces.
Will there be naked equality?
Will there be naked equality?
Depends on the temperature, I think. I'm not an expert though.
keravnos
02-17-2007, 00:08
I can't begin to describe how COOL this unit will be. I simply cannot.
Fondor_Yards
02-17-2007, 00:25
I can't begin to describe how COOL this unit will be. I simply cannot.
You can try
pezhetairoi
02-17-2007, 11:14
pleh, i'm afraid India isn't doing anything for me atm, I can't yet build indian longbowmen, and don't even know what to build to get them, and anyhow, I have got Thorakitai and am churning out Baktrioi Agemata. Not much of a point getting them Hoplitai Indoi...
You'll change your mind. You will.
keravnos
02-22-2007, 21:41
You can try
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:yes:
Fondor_Yards
02-22-2007, 23:33
https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/995/caratacosindogreeknobilfv8.jpg
:yes:[/QUOTE]
Me wants now!
Brightblade
02-23-2007, 00:07
That was a mental orgy with multiple mental orgasms. Now I'm having a real life cigarette. Proof that the mind does indeed affect the body. OMG AWESOME
pezhetairoi
02-23-2007, 01:31
OH YES but why does the hoplite look like he's 60 years old with no teeth and wrinkled lips? xP
Nah, i'm not complaining, the whole affair rocks as it is!
Brightblade
02-23-2007, 01:34
Might be from blowing his warhorn too much. LOLZ!
Watchman
02-23-2007, 01:46
What, hoplites had a retirement age ? ~:santa:
pezhetairoi
02-23-2007, 04:48
i'm...reasonably sure there was one for most cases, except in most extreme situations... I mean, if you were all hoary and old, you wouldn't be expected to fight, would you? Sure you may be a citizen, but I think if you were already an elder, gerontos, whatever, they wouldn't hold it against you if you said you no longer could march out and stab at an opposing hoplite's neck in some random othismos for good old time's sake...
He's biting his lip in anticipation.
Fondor_Yards
02-23-2007, 05:56
Were most of the silver shields/hypastai like in their 50's when the Successors got them after Alexander died?
Caratacos
02-23-2007, 07:26
Who were those two successor fellows who were in their eighties when they duked it out? I'm no good with names-- let alone greek ones. That would have been a sight, no?
Either way he's not supposed to look old :embarassed:
I wan't happy with the expression (which Sarcasm has correctly described). I just didn't want all my units to be shouting or gritting teeth. And smiling would look a little crazy. Believe it or not but this was a take on Menander... (forgot to add the lip scar--dolt!). Maybe i'll fix him up one day.
That would be Seleukos and Lysimachos, fighting each other to death at Corupedium. 77 and 79 respectively at the time of the battle [which happened to be the same year both died].
He's spreading his legs pretty wide. He must be hot and needs a nice breeze flowing through those sweaty regions. That or he's giving birth in battle, I'm not sure which.
Kralizec
02-23-2007, 18:43
https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/995/caratacosindogreeknobilfv8.jpg
:yes:[/QUOTE]
Magnificent :2thumbsup:
Watchman
02-23-2007, 23:03
He's spreading his legs pretty wide. He must be hot and needs a nice breeze flowing through those sweaty regions. That or he's giving birth in battle, I'm not sure which.Eh, looks like a decent enough low guard to me...
Caratacos
02-23-2007, 23:26
I guess out of formation it does look a little odd-- just run up behind and kick him in the gonads................. :knight: ...... :creep: <<WHACK!>> ~:eek:
Watchman
02-23-2007, 23:36
All I know is, something not too much unlike that is what I've been taught is the most sensible basic combat stance mano y mano. You're supposed to keep the other guy to your front you know ?
Tellos Athenaios
02-24-2007, 02:22
He looks like as if he expects to be under missile fire any second from now... Or as if he sees a charging opponent straight ahead of him.
At least to me.
keravnos
02-24-2007, 17:58
He's spreading his legs pretty wide. He must be hot and needs a nice breeze flowing through those sweaty regions. That or he's giving birth in battle, I'm not sure which.
Ok. Imagine this hoplite on the receiving end of a inf/cav/horsearcher attack. Which would be the ideal position in which to both defend/reduce your overall unexposed part of the body and also be able to stand on your feet once the opposing force hits your shield with all their might?
In an ideal situation the only things visible to the charging enemy would be the eyes of the hoplite (easily coverable by the shield in case of trouble) and ONLY the eyes... Go for the eyes boo! ... NOT :laugh4:
Caratacos has done an amazingly good job, including personalizing my personal hero Menandros, greatest king of the IndoGreeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menander_I
Watchman
02-24-2007, 18:33
Eh, to me his stance suggest more a careful, guarded "ready" state when fighting a dengerous foeman - you know, the sort of lull in the fighting where the duelists circle around each other, making little feints here and there to try and see where an opening could be created. By what I know of it the "set for charge", especially against cavalry, stances used by spearmen are a tad different. The basics - legs spread widely enough to allow for both solid balance and quick footwork as necessary - in any case seem to be well accounted for; compare to some of the guards for Medieval longswords (http://www.thearma.org/essays/StancesIntro.htm).
russia almighty
02-24-2007, 22:30
That would be Seleukos and Lysimachos, fighting each other to death at Corupedium. 77 and 79 respectively at the time of the battle [which happened to be the same year both died].
I can imagine how that went
The two are fighting and crap then they both yell to both there armies
"STOP!"
"Its prune juice and naptime for us "
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