M2TW Charges

[Xehh II]

How do I get my cavalry to charge in M2TW, when I double click, my unit yells "Charge!", but they all draw swords instead of lances, is this supposed to happen?

[Warmaster Horus]

Not having M2TW yet (curse you old comp!) I can't offer any solid advice but you can find plenty of threads about it in the Citadel.

[Xehh II]

Thank you

[Xehh II]

This will sound stupid, but I can't find the Citidel(I think I spelled it wrong).

[sapi]

linky (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=131)

To answer your question, there are many factors that go into charging.

1. make sure that the unit is formed up (in neat lines)

2. the flatter the ground, the better

3. single right click to charge (then hit 'r' to make them run if you want)

4. Pause the game, and order your units one by one, or they'll attempt some sort of 'smart attack' that never works. This applies to all units that are grouped - if you want them to work properly, order them one by one

5. Pray

[pevergreen]

5. Pray

:bow:

[Xehh II]

Ok, thank I will do what you say.

[Deathtone]

What i want to add into the question I've been hearing that u have to get into some type of distance before u can charge is that true ?

[RoadKill]

Wait for the charge to happen does the calvalry has to be face to face against the unit you are charging at? Thanks

[Caerfanan]

5. Pray
Yes ideed, that's what I always do when commanding a unit to do something! :sweatdrop:

[Caerfanan]

Wait for the charge to happen does the calvalry has to be face to face against the unit you are charging at? Thanks
No, no, not at all!!! One of the most rejoicing situation in those games is to have a an enemy unit pinned on your spears while your horribly heavy cavalry charges in their back!!!!

As to the moment when the unit actually charges, the charge effectively happen at the last moment. The unit reaches it's charge speed a few "yards" before the enemy.

There is this lance to sword thing that I wonder about. But I don't play M2 yet...

[Caerfanan]

What i want to add into the question I've been hearing that u have to get into some type of distance before u can charge is that true ?
To answer precisely, a unit charges when it moves to atack, you don't have to order them to charge specifically. You click, or double click on the enemy unit. Your unit marches, or runs, towards the enemy. Your unit will charge automatically when at the right distance.

[RoadKill]

Thank you very much, now i cna go own with my french calvary :smash:

[The Spartan (Returns)]

i pray to holy God not to disfunctional charges.
:san_laugh:

[Caerfanan]

Thank you very much, now i cna go own with my french calvary :smash:
Go ahead, avoid the mud... and the english arrows! :2thumbsup:

[Lord Cazaric]

There are two vital aspects to a successful charge. Firstly, and most importantly, you must have soldiers! There is no point ordering non existant soldiers to march into battle, they don't generally obey! Except for your imaginary friends...

Secondly, you must have enemies. Otherwise your soldiers are simply running and screaming at the top of their lungs for no apparent reason. In most civilised cultures, they will then be known as 'that clinically insane fellow' or 'the madman down the lane'.

Follow these two strategies, and you will never go wrong, believe me.

Lord Cazaric, the fountain of infinite wisdom.

[Xehh II]

You are most annoying.

[Lord Cazaric]

If those two aspects of a charge are not vitally important, I will eat my hat! And your hat, so watch out!

[Caerfanan]

There are two vital aspects to a successful charge. Firstly, and most importantly, you must have soldiers! There is no point ordering non existant soldiers to march into battle, they don't generally obey! Except for your imaginary friends...

Secondly, you must have enemies. Otherwise your soldiers are simply running and screaming at the top of their lungs for no apparent reason. In most civilised cultures, they will then be known as 'that clinically insane fellow' or 'the madman down the lane'.

Follow these two strategies, and you will never go wrong, believe me.

Lord Cazaric, the fountain of infinite wisdom.

Well, my dear friend, you have forgotten the third vital aspect, which is in my opinion the most important one: you need a GROUND for your enemies to stand on, and for your soldiers to run like hell on.

Charging succesfully needs a lot of caution: if you forget one aspect, you're doomed.

[sapi]

You also need horses.

And lances.

And swords.

And stableboys (to care for the horses)

And blacksmiths (to make equipment)

And a commander (preferably with an outrageous british accent) to lead you into battle.

Seriously cazaric, do we want to go there?

:laugh4:

[Wodeson]

Hello!

The best results I've had for mass cavalry charges is to deploy my horse in 2 or 3 deep lines and surround the enemy army in a roughly circular or semi-circular formation.

Then group all the units to charge, then ungroup them (keeping them all selected) and then finally... double clicking an enemy unit that lies in the centre of the enemy formation.

All the horse then charges inwards in a fairly impressive and morale shattering manner.

[Caerfanan]

Hello!

The best results I've had for mass cavalry charges is to deploy my horse in 2 or 3 deep lines and surround the enemy army in a roughly circular or semi-circular formation.

Then group all the units to charge, then ungroup them (keeping them all selected) and then finally... double clicking an enemy unit that lies in the centre of the enemy formation.

All the horse then charges inwards in a fairly impressive and morale shattering manner.
No surprise there, I wouldn't like to be in the middle of such a charge!

oooh, and welcome to the org, BTW! ~:wave:

[Wodeson]

Cheers!

[Lord Cazaric]

Caerfanan, you're absolutely right! I mean, there's no point trying to run on water (although some claim there was this one guy...I won't go there) as you'll just sink and drown and, rather than being known as 'that clinically insane fellow', but instead as 'that poor bugger on the bottom of the sea'. Swimming in armour just isn't great fun.

And as for attempting to charge on air, well, do I need to say anything? Xehh, don't try it!

Sapi, I'm afraid you're wrong...there is no need for commanders, swords, lances or blacksmiths. All you need for a charge is a lot of raging lunatics running at another person with the intent to cause grievous bodily harm. That doesn't necessarily mean they intend to cut up their foes into tiny pieces and feed them to the dogs back home. No, they can just maim and murder them without weapons, as long as beforehand they run like hell at their intended victims.

Thanks for listening.

[Xehh II]

:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: I will agree with you there cazaric but at the start I was talking about cavalry charges.

[Caerfanan]

:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: I will agree with you there cazaric but at the start I was talking about cavalry charges.

:stupido2:

So the horses are needed. Not the swords, blacksmiths, etc...

(and now I'm just imagining the guy throwing themselves on their enemies to kill them only with their momentum, argh.)

[Xehh II]

You can run people over with horses.

[Caerfanan]

You can run people over with horses.

Or crush them by throwing the horses at them. But that would be a ranged unit then, so off topic...

(Argh, Lord Cazaric has taken control, please help me!!!! :laugh4: )

Well, more seriously, I think that cavalry charges were devastating mainly because of the momentum of the horses. If I'm correct, by the end of the 14th century, the knights' armours were having something to put the end of your lance on in order to be capable of relaying all the force to the foe without needing that strong an arm. Heavy weight + tip of a lance directed to your chest => man don't you stay here!!!!

[ByzantineKnight]

5. Pray

lol!


It might also help to sacrifice a chicken to your computer...

[Lord Cazaric]

[QUOTE=Caerfanan]Or crush them by throwing the horses at them. But that would be a ranged unit then, so off topic...

Brilliant! A unit of either Supermen or extreme weight-lifters! That'd be a sight...100 hobilars with bulging muscles charge within 10 metres of a hostile unit of chivalric men-at-arms, suddenly dismount, pick their steeds up onto their shoulders and hurl them into the enemy soldiers, knocking them all down.

[Caerfanan]

Brilliant! A unit of either Supermen or extreme weight-lifters! That'd be a sight...100 hobilars with bulging muscles charge within 10 metres of a hostile unit of chivalric men-at-arms, suddenly dismount, pick their steeds up onto their shoulders and hurl them into the enemy soldiers, knocking them all down.

I wonder if the horses will be armour piercing (or armour crushing to be more precise...)

:stupido2:

Argh.

[Lord Cazaric]

Of course, they will have the same effect as a catapult!

[Caerfanan]

Of course, they will have the same effect as a catapult!

Horses = Siege weapons? :dizzy2:

:beam:

[Lord Cazaric]

Of course. They are certaintly not hand-to-hand, and as soon as they are lifted off their feet by the superhuman soldiers, they no longer count as cavalry, but are ranged!

That leaves archery and siege engines. And except for one of these superhuman soldiers (Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali by name), the soldiers don't fire them from bows.

Therefore, except for Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali's steed (steed? Arrow?), they must be siege weapons, as they are thrown like rocks.

[Xehh II]

You are strange, why would it be like a seige weapon?
I think it'd be more like those funny little javelin guys but without javelins.
Because they would be short range, AP and they are thrown.

[Spajus]

Cazaric, I fear you are being ridiculous.

You are attempting to define 'horses' as seige weapons? p'shaw! Your logic is flawed. You have stated the exception which proves the rule, in Ali ibn ali ibn Ali, and his bow-drawn-horse. However, the Ballistae, an acknowledged seige weapon, is also essentially a giant bow.

Faced with such hasty logic, how can you expect anyone to take what you are saying seriously? (A pity, because I would tend to agree - artillery!)

By the way, when's Cazaric-mod coming out?

[Caerfanan]

You are strange, why would it be like a seige weapon?
I think it'd be more like those funny little javelin guys but without javelins.
Because they would be short range, AP and they are thrown.
Soooooo.... :stupido2:

The horse not being efficient against a wall (I guess), it shouldn't be a siege weapon, that's right. You have a point here Xehh II!

It could be the non explosive equivalent of the Naphta throwers, though, the guy having a chance of being crushed by his own missile, and the missile being capable of killing several people at once. what do you guys think?

So the unit size should be 12, showing the difficulty to train the horse-thrower.

(and now I remember Xehh II asking a simple question about charging in M2TW, my, where are we!)

:laugh4:

[Xehh II]

Soooooo.... :stupido2:

The horse not being efficient against a wall (I guess), it shouldn't be a siege weapon, that's right. You have a point here Xehh II!

It could be the non explosive equivalent of the Naphta throwers, though, the guy having a chance of being crushed by his own missile, and the missile being capable of killing several people at once. what do you guys think?

So the unit size should be 12, showing the difficulty to train the horse-thrower.

(and now I remember Xehh II asking a simple question about charging in M2TW, my, where are we!)

:laugh4:
Yes! You are more right than me, they would be more like non-explosive Naptha Throwers.

[Lord Cazaric]

What mod? If you're referring to Hellas: Total War and Steppe: Total War, they are simply ideas for the next games, or if someone would like to, as mods for the original Medieval Total War - it's the only one I have!

And Caerfanan, I'd advise you to cut down the number of soldiers in a horse-ranged unit to 5. They are VERY hard to find. Especially ones such as Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali (whose name, for those of you who don't know, means Ali son of Ali son of Ali).

Thank you for acknowledging my insanity. It is why I am still a junior member.

[Caerfanan]

And Caerfanan, I'd advise you to cut down the number of soldiers in a horse-ranged unit to 5. They are VERY hard to find. Especially ones such as Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali (whose name, for those of you who don't know, means Ali son of Ali son of Ali).

Mmmmm. :stupido2:

So we could have two types of units:

- one of a size of 5 with Ali ibn Ali ibn alis as launchers, and armored horses. The Alis having huge bows acting as ballistas, this would be artillery.
- one with a size of 12, being the non explosive naphta throwers sometimes dying under their own horses (% when tired?)


Thank you for acknowledging my insanity. It is why I am still a junior member.
You're not insane. You're... creative? :laugh4:

[Lord Cazaric]

They are not called Ali ibn Ali ibn Alis - Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali is just the name of the greatest of them all. Perhaps his unit could have +10 valour! *grins*

And creative isn't the best word to describe me...insane sums it up better methinks.

[Caerfanan]

They are not called Ali ibn Ali ibn Alis - Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali is just the name of the greatest of them all. Perhaps his unit could have +10 valour! *grins*

And creative isn't the best word to describe me...insane sums it up better methinks.
Ok then, insane you are... Under oxygened brain due to horse launching training, Ali? :beam:

[Lord Cazaric]

Insane?! Are you implying that I'm not entirely there?! How dare you?! You should be ashamed of yourself! Insulting an innocent bystander...

[Boyar Karhunkynsi]

If you're going to go into horse throwing units, you have to count them as a short ranged catapult with area damage that lasts around 30 seconds 'til the horses stop kicking. It's quite a complex matter, actually, and you'd just have to make a few textures, add a unit, etcetera.

Say, a horse is around 15 hands on average, but if you really want to squish someone, use a Shire Horse, the biggest in the world. The biggest Shire horse even was 220cm tall and weighed 1.5 tonnes! :charge:

Ohhhhhhh..... Ahhhhhhhh!

[Lord Cazaric]

The biggest of them all are the Shire horses specifically bred by Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali, a Syrian horse-archer. And I don't mean a mounted archer...

[Caerfanan]

Insane?! Are you implying that I'm not entirely there?! How dare you?! You should be ashamed of yourself! Insulting an innocent bystander...
:laugh4:

Well, I tried to have you considered creative, but you wanted insane! Horses have a wide destructive action and can hurt the innocent bystanders!!! :beam:

[Caerfanan]

If you're going to go into horse throwing units, you have to count them as a short ranged catapult with area damage that lasts around 30 seconds 'til the horses stop kicking. It's quite a complex matter, actually, and you'd just have to make a few textures, add a unit, etcetera.

Say, a horse is around 15 hands on average, but if you really want to squish someone, use a Shire Horse, the biggest in the world. The biggest Shire horse even was 220cm tall and weighed 1.5 tonnes! :charge:

Ohhhhhhh..... Ahhhhhhhh!

Yeah, I've heard of those huge beasts!!! My, 220cm, that's HUGE....
(and yes, ALi ibn Ali ibn Ali's special arrow!!!)

And just imagine the fire ammunitions... Flaming horses.... Outch...

[Lord Cazaric]

Ouch for the victims or ouch for the horses? I imagine that could be rather painful for both parties...

[Xehh II]

Ha Ha Ha...Flaming horses would be funny, not for the horses but still it would be funny, what about flaming camels?

[Caerfanan]

Ha Ha Ha...Flaming horses would be funny, not for the horses but still it would be funny, what about flaming camels?
Augh!!! Flaming Shire Camels!!! Noooooooooo!!!

(err, by the way, did you manage a cavalry charge in M2TW?)

[Xehh II]

(err, by the way, did you manage a cavalry charge in M2TW?)
Yes my people now charge with goodness.

[Lord Cazaric]

Hehe we sorta got off topic there...

Back to the off-topic theme!

Flaming camels...I imagine Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali, being from Syria, would use them quite often.

Perhaps his son, Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali, will one day use them too.

[seireikhaan]

Congrats on your promotion Lord Cazaric. My, one hundred posts? That took a while.

[Raz]

Well, a flaming horse would be good, but how one would light it on fire without burning themselves... hmm.

After all, you've got to pick it up with your bare hands, unless you could throw the horse then jump up into the air and light it on fire mid-flight. Now that'd be a plan. Also, I suppose these super soldiers could also mount on a donkey or something, and 'pepper' the enemy with horses from horseback then quickly retreat behind friendly lines. Right? You know, call it Mounted [Insert Unit Name].

[Lord Cazaric]

Thank you, greaterkhaan! It is good to be a member, even if it feels no different from being a junior one!

You could call them Mounted Horse Throwers, or, in Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali's case, Mounted Horse Archers.

[Xehh II]

Wahhhhhhhhhh

[Caerfanan]

Thank you, greaterkhaan! It is good to be a member, even if it feels no different from being a junior one!

You could call them Mounted Horse Throwers, or, in Ali ibn Ali ibn Ali's case, Mounted Horse Archers.
Mounted flaming quadrupede throwers, with the "camel" special ammunition, which scares horses!!!

:stupido2:

Well who wouldn't be scared by the sight of a flaming camel yelling its lungs out and falling right on you?

[Lord Cazaric]

I wouldn't. Well, at least not when it hit me. I would be scared when it was flying at me, but when it hit me, I imagine I'd be thinking....


...Oh, bugger.

[Caerfanan]

I wouldn't. Well, at least not when it hit me. I would be scared when it was flying at me, but when it hit me, I imagine I'd be thinking....


...Oh, bugger.
You wouldn't be afraid? this definitely proves that you're not a horse, then! :laugh4:

[Lord Cazaric]

There was doubt? That's depressing...

[Caerfanan]

There was doubt? That's depressing...
Well, you are definitely typing too complicated sentences to have hooves... So, I would rather take this "not being afraid of camels" as a confirmation! :sweatdrop:

[Dark Water]

I see there's a lot of deep, thought provoking well planned strategies going on here....it'd look so cool and how could you do anything other than crush your enemies (literally) and wipe them off the battle-field........although that would be the stable boys job

[Caerfanan]

I see there's a lot of deep, thought provoking well planned strategies going on here....it'd look so cool and how could you do anything other than crush your enemies (literally) and wipe them off the battle-field........although that would be the stable boys job
Yes, not very chivalric, is it... :shame:

[Xehh II]

Yes, not very chivalric, is it... :shame:
Nope.