12th Century Glory

[Ignoramus]

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12th Century Glory is an RPG Forum Game based on Europe in the 12th Century. The orignal game finished, due to a few things that needed improvement. The game is currently being polished up and revamped and so I'd advise you to pick your faction before it goes.

The factions are :

KINGDOM OF ARAGON - Aragon (Trajan)
Huesca

PRINCEDOM OF NAVARRE - Pamplona
County of Bilbao

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COUNTY OF BARCELONA - Barcelona
County of Girona
County of Urgell
County of Cerdanya

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EMIRATE OF VALENCIA
Emirate of Castellon de la Plana

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KINGDOM OF LEON & CASTILE - Leon (Destroyer of Hope)
Principality of Castile

DUCHY OF BARDULLA - Burgos
County of Guadalahara


DUCHY OF GALICIA - Vigo
County of La Corunna
County of Santiago del Compostela
County of Orense


DUCHY OF ASTURIA - Oviedo
County of Santander


COUNTY OF PORTUGAL - Porto
County of Braganza
County of Coimbra


DUCHY OF TOLEDO - Toledo




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ALMORAVIDS - North Africa
Fez

EMIRATE OF SEVILLE - Seville
Emirate of the Algarve
Emirate of Cadiz

EMIRATE OF SARAGOSSA - Saragossa
Emirate of Alpuente
Emirate of Albarracin

EMIRATE OF CORDOBA - Cordoba
Emirate of Malaga
Emirate of Algeciras
Emirate of Ciudad Real

EMIRATE OF BADAJOZ - Badajoz
Emirate of Lisbon

EMIRATE OF GRANADA - Granada
Emirate of Murcia
Emirate of Denia

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KINGDOM OF FRANCE (Defasciti)
Isle-de-France
Amiens
Ponthieu
Vermandois
Valois
Courtenay
Chateauroux
Bourges
Bourbon

COUNTY OF CHAMPAGNE - Champagne
Barony of Porcien
Barony of Langres

COUNTY OF BLOIS - Blois
Barony of Chartres
Barony of Vexin

DUCHY OF BURGUNDY - Burgundy
County of Auxerre
County of Nevers
County of Chalon

COUNTY OF AUVERGNE - Auvergne
Barony of Velay
Barony of Gevaudan

COUNTY OF TOULOUSE - Toulouse
Barony of Nimes
Barony of Milhaud
Barony of Rousillion
Barony of Albigeois
Barony of Rouergue

DUCHY OF AQUITAINE - Guyenne
County of Perigord
County of Limousin
County of La Marche
County of Poitou
County of Gasconne
County of Montaigu
Barony of Bearn
Barony of Cominges
Barony of Armegnac
Barony of Angouleme
Barony of Agenais

COUNTY OF ANJOU - Anjou
Barony of Touraine

COUNTY OF MAINE - Maine

DUCHY OF BRITTANY - Cournouailles
Barony of Nantes
Barony of Rohan
Barony of Rennes

COUNTY OF FLANDERS - Flanders (Archduke)

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KINGDOM OF ENGLAND (Ignoramus)
Middlesex
Berkshire
Oxfordshire
Wiltshire
Hampshire

DUCHY OF NORTHUMBRIA - Yorkshire
County of Northumberland
County of Cumberland
County of Lancashire

DUCHY OF LEICESTER - Leicestershire
County of Lincolnshire
County of Nottinghamshire
County of Northamptonshire

DUCHY OF EAST ANGLIA - Camebridgeshire
County of Norfolk
County of Suffolk
County of Essex

DUCHY OF DEVON - Devonshire
County of Cornwall
County of Somerset
County of Dorset

DUCHY OF KENT - Kent
County of Sussex

DUCHY OF THE MARCH - Gloucestershire
County of Shropshire
County of Cheshire

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KINGDOM OF SCOTLAND - Edinburgh
County of Dumfries
County of Berwick
County of Aberdeen
County of Inverness
County of Sutherland

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CONNACHT (Riadach)
Uí Maine
Uí Briúin Seola
Uí Fiachrach Muaide
Uí Fiachrach Aidne
Uí Briúin Umaill
Uí Briúin Breifne

LAIGIN
Uí Failge
Uí Faeláin
Uí Dhúnlainge
Uí Bhairrche


MUMHA
Corco Duibne
Ciarraige Luachra
Uí Liatháin
Déisi Mumhan
Eóganacht Glendamnach
Eóganach Chaisil
Eóganacht Locha Léin
Corco Modruad
Corco Baiscinn


MIDE
Conmaicne Réin
Tethbae
Cenel Fiachrach
Cairpre
Fir Chul Breg
Gailenga

IN TUAISCERT
Cenél Conaill
Uí Fiachrach Ard Sratha
Uí Macc Uais
Cenél mBinnig
Cenél mBogaine
Cenél Lugdach

AIRGIALLA
Fir Luirg
Uí Chremthainn
Conaille

ULAID
Dál Riata
Dál nAraide
Uí Echach Coba

DUBH LINN

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HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE (Keba)

DUCHY OF UPPER LORRAINE - Metz
County of Verdun
County of Ibul

DUCHY OF LOWER LORRAINE - Cologne
County of Brabant
County of Hainaut
County of Luxemburg
County of Wassenberg

DUCHY OF SWABIA - Constance
County of Alsace
County of Freiburg
County of Zurich
County of Ulm

DUCHY OF FRANCONIA - Mainz
County of Hiedelberg
County of Frankfurt
County of Bamberg

DUCHY OF SAXONY - Brunswick
County of Hamburg
County of Bremen
County of Osnabruk
County of Paderborn

DUCHY OF BOHEMIA - Prague (Rythmic)
County of Glatz
County of Leitmeritz
County of Kuttenberg

Margrave of Moravia - Brun
County of Olmutz

March of Austria - Vienna
County of Melk

DUCHY OF BAVARIA - Salzburg
County of Nuremberg
County of Ratisbon
County of Munich
County of Innsbruk
County of Tyrolia


DUCHY OF STYRIA - Gratz
County of Cilli
County of Rettaw


DUCHY OF CARINTHIA - Villach
County of Freisach
March of Carniola - Laibach


MARGRAVE OF LOTHARINGIA
Margrave of Meissen
Margrave of Lusatia
March of the North (Nordmark)
Margrave of Landsberg


COUNTY OF BURGUNDY - Besancan


COUNTY OF SAVOY - Turin
Barony of Aosta
Marquis of Montferrand


COUNTY OF PROVENCE - Aix-en-Provence
Barony of Nice
Barony of Avignon

DUCHY OF TUSCANY - Florence
County of Siena
County of Emilia


DUCHY OF MILAN - Milan
County of Bergamo
County of Como


DUCHY OF GENOA - Genoa
County of Savonna
County of Cremona


COUNTY OF ROMAGNA - Bologna
March of Ancona
County of Spoleto
County of Ferrara


DUCHY OF VENICE - Venice
County of Pola


COUNTY OF TREVISO - Treviso
March of Friuli
County of Verona

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COUNTY OF SICILY - Palermo
Ragusa
Catania

Lordship of Syracuse
Lordship of Messina
Lordship of Agrigento
Lordship of Malta

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REPUBLIC OF PISA - Pisa
Island of Elba

Island of Corsica - Ajaccio
Island of Sardinia - Cagliari

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PAPACY - Rome (General Hankerchief)

REGION OF LATIUM

REGION OF UMBRIA

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DUCHY OF APULIA & CALABRIA - Bari

COUNTY OF CALABRIA

COUNTY OF ABBRUZZI

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PRINCEDOM OF NAPLES - Naples


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BANAT OF BOSNIA - Bosnia
Banat of Ragusa
Banat of Zeta
Banat of Rashka

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KINGDOM OF HUNGARY - Esztergom (Conqueror)
Kalocsa
Buda

DUCHY OF POZSONY - Pozsony
County of Nitra

DUCHY OF TRANSYLVANIA - Gyulafehérvár

DUCHY OF SLAVONIA - Valkovar

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KINGDOM OF CROATIA - Spalato (Srale)


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KINGDOM OF POLAND

LESSER POLAND - Krakow
Tarnow
Nowy Sazc
Krosno
Rzeszow
Kielce
Tarnabrzeg

MIDDLE POLAND - Lodz
Duchy of Warsaw
County of Radom
County of Piotrkow Trybunalski
County of Sieradz
County of Skierniewice
County of Plock
County of Ciechanow
County of Ostroleka

GREATER POLAND - Gniezno
Duchy of Poznan
County of Leszno
County of Kalisz
County of Konin
County of Wloclawek
County of Torun
County of Pila
County of Bydgoszcz

DUCHY OF THE EASTERN MARCH - Lublin
County of Zamosc
County of Chelm
County of Biala Podlaska
County of Siedlce
County of Bialystok
County of Lomsa


DUCHY OF GREATER SILESIA - Wroclaw
County of Legnica
County of Glowgow
County of Zeilona Gora
County of Jelenia Gora

DUCHY OF LESSER SILESIA - Opole
County of Czestochowa
County of Katowice
County of Bielsko - Biala


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DUCHY OR POMERANIA - Stettin
County of Kolberg
County of Demmin

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DUCHY OF POMERELIA - Danzig
County of Kulm

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DUCHY OF RANA - Riigen
County of Arcona

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KINGDOM OF DENMARK - Roskiilde

DUCHY OF GOTELAND - Aarhus
County of Skagen

DUCHY OF GOTEBORG - Goteborg

DUCHY OF BRONHOLM - Bronholm
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KINGDOM OF NORWAY - Oslo

COUNTY OF BODO

COUNTY OF MO

COUNTY OF TRONDHEIM

COUNTY OF ALESUND

COUNTY OF FLORO

COUNTY OF BERGEN

COUNTY OF STAVANGER

COUNTY OF HAMAR


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KINGDOM OF SWEDEN - Stockholm

COUNTY OF UMED

COUNTY OF MORA

COUNTY OF KARLSTAD

COUNTY OF NORRKOPING

COUNTY OF KALMOR

COUNTY OF VISBY


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PRINCIPALITY OF NOVGOROD - Novgorod

COUNTY OF STARAYA RUSSA - Staraya Russa

COUNTY OF LADOGA - Ladoga

COUNTY OF TORZHOK - Torzhok

COUNTY OF ORESHEK - Oreshek


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PRINCIPALITY OF CHERNIGOV - Chernigov

COUNTY OF NOVHOROD - SIVERSKYI

COUNTY OF STARODUB

COUNTY OF BRYANSK

COUNTY OF PUTYVL

COUNTY OF KURSK

COUNTY OF LUBECH

COUNTY OF HLUKHIV

COUNTY OF CHECHERSK

COUNTY OF HOMEL

COUNTY OF VYR


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PRINCIPALITY OF SMOLENSK - Smolensk


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PRINCIPALITY OF KIEV - Kiev

COUNTY OF LYABECH - Lyabech

COUNTY OF TURCOV - Turcov
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PRINCIPALITY OF POLATSK - Polatsk

COUNTY OF VITEBSK

COUNTY OF DRUTSK

COUNTY OF MINSK

COUNTY OF IZYASLAU

COUNTY OF LAHOJSK

COUNTY OF BARYSAU

COUNTY OF BRACHYSLAU

COUNTY OF KUKEINOS


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PRINCIPALITY OF VLADIMIR - SUZDAL - Vladimir

PRINCIPLAITY OF ROSTOV

PRINCIPALITY OF SUZDAL

PRINCIPALITY OF ZALESYE - Moscow
County of Pereslavl
County of Dmitrov
County of Kostroma
County of Yuriev - Polsky
County of Uglich
County of Tver


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PRINCIPALITY OF GALICIA - Galich

COUNTY OF VLADIMIR VOLYARKY


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PRINCIPALITY OF PEREJASLAWL


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KHANATE OF VOLGA-BULGARIANS - Bilar

PRINCEDOM OF BOLGHAR - Bolghar

PRINCEDOM OF SUAR - Suar

PRINCEDOM OF QASAN - Qasan

PRINCEDOM OF CUKATAW - Cukataw


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CUMANS


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PECHENEGS


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KHAZARS - Atil - Khazaran

REGION OF TAMATARKHA - Tamatarkha

REGION OF ASOV - Asov

REGION OF SAMANDAR - Samandar

REGION OF SARKEL - Sarkel

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ALANS - Maykop

IRON TRIBE - Magas

TUALLEG TRIBE - Elista

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BYZANTINE EMPIRE (Byzantine Mercenary)

OPSIKION DUCHY

THRACESIAN DUCHY

THEME OF CHERSON

DUCHY OF BYTHNIA

DUCHY OF PAPHLAGONIA

DUCHY OF TREBIZOND

THEME OF HELLAS AND THE PELOPONNESE

THEME OF MACEDONIA AND THRACE

DUCHY OF THE DANUBE

DUCHY OF CYPRUS

DUCHY OF RHODES

DUCHY OF CRETE

DUCHY OF SALONIKA

DUCHY OF DYRRHACHIUM

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KINGDOM OF JERUSALEM - Jerusalem
Princedom of Galilee
Duchy of Beirut
County of Kerak
Duchy of Ibelin
Duchy of Acre


PRINCEDOM OF ANTIOCH - Antioch (Tiberius of the Drake)
County of Jabala
County of Apamea
County of Artah


COUNTY OF TRIPOLI - Tripoli
Lordship of Tortosa
Lordship of Batroun


COUNTY OF EDESSA - Edessa
Lordship of Malataya
Lordship of Turbessel

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KINGDOM OF CILICIA
County of Marash
County of Lampron
County of Ayas
County of Partzapert

KINGDOM OF GEORGIA
Princedom of Abkhazi
Princedom of Sassun
Princedom of Ani
Princedom of Shah - Armen

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ABBASID CALIPHATE - Bagdad

GREAT SELJUK - Isfahan
Hormuz
Bhuraz
Kirman
Fars
Qom
Basra

KINGDOM OF KHORASAN - Nishapur
Emirate of Herat
Emirate of Balkh
Emirate of Kabul
Emirate of Ghazni
Emirate of Tus
Emirate of Sistan
Emirate of Merv
Emirate of Sanjan
Emirate of Samarqand
Emirate of Bukhara


KINGDOM OF MESOPOTAMIA
Emirate of Rayy
Emirate of Tebriz
Emirate of Alamut
Emirate of Holwan
Emirate of Hamadan


KINGDOM OF MEKRAN
Emirate of Kandahar
Emirate of Multan
Emirate of Kalat
Emirate of Daybul


ATABEG OF MOSUL
Emirate of Mardin
Emirate of Hisn - Kaifa
Emirate of Nisibin


EMIRATE OF DAMASCUS - Damascus
Emirate of Bostra
Emirate of Homs


EMIRATE OF ALEPPO - Aleppo
Emirate of Al-Rusafa
Emirate of Qal’at Ja’Bar
Emirate of Al-Raqqa


DANISHMEND EMIRATE - Caeserea
Emirate of Sebasteia
Emirate of Amaseia


RUM SULTANATE - Iconium
Emirate of Apamea
Emirate of Ancyra

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FATIMID CALIPHATE - Cairo
El - Fayum
El - Minya
Ras Gharib
Helwan
Beni Suef


EMIRATE OF ALEXANDRIA - Alexandria
Emirate of Damietta
Emirate of Al - Mansura
Emirate of Tanta


EMIRATE OF SINAI - Al - Arisha
Emirate of El Tur


EMIRATE OF SIWA - Siwa
Emirate of Bawiti
Emirate of Sallum

EMIRATE OF BARKA - Barka


EMIRATE OF THE SAHARA - Kufra
Emirate of Mut

EMIRATE OF UPPER EGYPT - Luxor
Emirate of Baris
Emirate of Aswan
Emirate of Sohag
Emirate of Hurghada

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ZIRID EMIRATE - Mahdia

BANU JAMI EMIRATE - Tripoli

EMIRATE OF KSIRWAN

EMIRATE OF AL - MALRDISYR

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HAMMADITE KINGDOM - Algiers

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BANU HILAL

Admittedly, there are a lot of factions. But this presents more authentic and realistic gameplay. Believe me, the game become very immersive.

On a personal note, I have found it to allow me realistically "rule" a kingdom in the 12th Century.

Ignoramus.

12th Century Glory Moderator.

[naut]

Firstly I would like to apologise for my absence in the original game. Real life hit me in the face fairly hard.

To those others reading this thread I really recommend this game.

[pevergreen]

Signed up, but if you could post here what you need to do to grab a faction.

Really want a Western Europe Faction. (the heavy armour :laugh4:)

So confused were to "sign up" basically.

[Trajanus]

Hi All.

12CG is as Ignoramus said under a little construction.

Above is the planned faction list, very extensive. We hope to make the game very intense and diverse playing any of the factions.

At the moment there is nowhere to sign up as we haven't begun taking members. We will be relocating to a new set of forums soon, at which point we will begin taking new players.

You can see the progress of the game over at the forums Ignoramus mentioned above. If you are interested in multiplayer RPG's you should like 12CG.

[naut]

Couple questions, what time period is it starting from? 1100 again?

I really don't know if I should sign up again.

EDIT: If so the Margrave of Lusatia was a fief of Bohemia (granted by Henry IV), until 1648.

EDIT: Ignore my Bohemia fetish.

[Trajanus]

Yes the time period will begin at 1100 A.D.

Have a look when the new version of the game comes out and see what you think of it. I can promise it will be a lot cleaner, and easier to do.

[naut]

Maybe I will. Depends alot on real-life. And even if I don't I'll try my hardest to get people to sign up.

[UltraWar]

I might rejoin the game but I have a problem with the game it seems

[Trajanus]

What problem do you have with the game UltraWar?

[Trajanus]

From your comments at the 12CG Forum I now understand. That should no longer be a problem UltraWar.

We are a friendly team, everyone pitching in where they can. It would be nice to have a veteran back for the new game. :yes:

[Warluster]

Yeah everey one, this game rocks! I had so mcu fun in the orginal game, and trust me, you will too if you join!

Choose a faction, make the decisions and rule!

(I also recommed that all IH people join up, this is similar in some aspects, but no chapter thing, you control it all! Limitless options!)

[pevergreen]

I dont know where to post to bags a faction. Can i do that yet?

[naut]

Just post it here and it will be yours.

I will play if the following historical amendment is made.

DUCHY OF BOHEMIA - Prague (Rythmic)
County of Glatz
County of Leitmeritz
County of Kuttenberg
Margrave of Lusatia

[Caerfanan]

What's this game about, how does it work? Is it some kind of "Diplomacy"?

[pevergreen]

Whats left? Faction Wise.

[Caerfanan]

Whats left? Faction Wise.

Uuuuh?

[naut]

Any nation or vassal without a name next to it is free.

Caerfanan, it is basically a game involving th Medieval period where each player acts as the ruler of a nation/dukedom and controls it in ways such as diplomacy, batles etc.

[Caerfanan]

OK, I'll have a look there.

Thanks Rythmic: ~:cheers:

[UltraWar]

After some consideration, I think that I'll rejoin this game as the progress of it is sufficent enough to change my mind plus it has a great team working on it. If I was to pick a faction, it'd be between the "Fatimid Caliphate" or the "Abbasid Caliphate". This is because I think I'd be more suited to a Islamic area of the map

[pevergreen]

Ill take scotland!

[Trajanus]

The Abbasid Caliphate is a great choice!

Their power is limited to Baghdad only, with Great Seljuk all around. Very difficult to get out of, but many options for progress.

The Fatimids, are strong, but will always have the problem of their minority governing a different majority.

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As to the change Rythmic lets discuss it over at the 12CG forums...I don't necessarily have a problem with it. :)

EDIT: Looking over the faction list above, I would like to make one alteration. Valencia is in fact a Duchy not an Emirate. At game start the ruling character is Widow Duchess of El Cid.

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EDIT 2: We are also looking for an artist who is interested in making images to go with the game. If anyone is interested please contact me via PM here or on the 12CG Forums. As mentioned above we are a happy friendly team, eager to help people improve their own talents by working on our projects. ~:)

[UltraWar]

The Abbasid Caliphate is a great choice!

Their power is limited to Baghdad only, with Great Seljuk all around. Very difficult to get out of, but many options for progress.

The Fatimids, are strong, but will always have the problem of their minority governing a different majority.

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As to the change Rythmic lets discuss it over at the 12CG forums...I don't necessarily have a problem with it. :)

EDIT: Looking over the faction list above, I would like to make one alteration. Valencia is in fact a Duchy not an Emirate. At game start the ruling character is Widow Duchess of El Cid.

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EDIT 2: We are also looking for an artist who is interested in making images to go with the game. If anyone is interested please contact me via PM here or on the 12CG Forums. As mentioned above we are a happy friendly team, eager to help people improve their own talents by working on our projects. ~:)

What type of images?

[Lord Winter]

Ignormus would you mind changing me to the Papacy? I think I want a change from last game. Besides, without them the game wouldn't be nearly as fun.
Edit: relized you have GH down for them right now, did he come back? Or is he just there as a vet? If he did keep me a Castile.

[Trajanus]

well we need some uniform cotes of arms for each of our factions to start with. If your interested please let me know. ~:)

[Ignoramus]

DoH: I kept him there, because he was the Papacy last time. However, I'll doubt he'll come back so you can the Pope until I ask him.

[cegorach]

Some changes you should consider to your list.


KINGDOM OF POLAND

LESSER POLAND - Krakow
Tarnow
Nowy Sazc
Krosno
Rzeszow
Kielce
Tarnabrzeg

Nowy Sacz is the correct spelling in English.
Sandomierz instead of Tarnobrzeg which I doubt actually existed at that time at all.



MIDDLE POLAND - Lodz
Duchy of Warsaw
County of Radom
County of Piotrkow Trybunalski
County of Sieradz
County of Skierniewice
County of Plock
County of Ciechanow
County of Ostroleka

Lódz was a village, possibly didn't exist at all at that time. The city was built in the second part of the XIXth century.




GREATER POLAND - Gniezno
Duchy of Poznan
County of Leszno
County of Kalisz
County of Konin
County of Wloclawek
County of Torun
County of Pila
County of Bydgoszcz

Torun and Kulm below is the same place, actually.
Bydgoszcz might not exist at the time, rather most likely it didn't.


DUCHY OF THE EASTERN MARCH - Lublin
County of Zamosc
County of Chelm
County of Biala Podlaska
County of Siedlce
County of Bialystok
County of Lomsa

Many mistakes.
Zamosc was built in the XVIth century.
Biala Podlaska and Bialystok for sure were not even there - the whole region were woods with animals.
The region was colonised in the XVIth century.

Lomza, not Lomsa.



DUCHY OF GREATER SILESIA - Wroclaw
County of Legnica
County of Glowgow
County of Zeilona Gora
County of Jelenia Gora

Glogow is the correct spelling in English.

Zielona Góra didn't exist at that time - Zagan is better choice here.




DUCHY OF LESSER SILESIA - Opole
County of Czestochowa
County of Katowice
County of Bielsko - Biala

I doubt Katowice existed until the XIXth century.




DUCHY OR POMERANIA - Stettin
County of Kolberg
County of Demmin

At that time it was a pagan slavic duchy so the names should be slavic too.

Szczecin for Stettin.
Kolobrzeg for Kolberg.
Demmin might be closer to correct spelling, but it is better to choose Slupsk from the eastern part of the duchy.





DUCHY OF POMERELIA - Danzig
County of Kulm


I would say the same here. Slavic duchy with strong links to Poland - basically still a part of Poland.
Danzig became German-language city after the Teutonic Order took the city in 1308 massacring its former citizens so the correct spelling would be Gdansk.

Kulm is the same as Torun above and in general there should be nothing here except Gdansk - it was important on its own existing from at least 977 as the only Polish port of any meaning.



I am not really sure about other cities.

I suggest checking one of available sources such as Wikipedia - especially about the feudal partitions in Poland which started in 1138 there should be enough regions to replace the current structure.

It should be

Greater Poland,

Lesser Poland,

Masovia,

Kujawy,

Silesia

and Pomerania.

Divide the existing and corrected regions accordingly


Pomerania

Kujawy

Greater Poland Masovia

Silesia Lesser Poland

[Trajanus]

thank you cegorach. I was at a loss for the Eastern European cities and divisions. Had to take what I could get from modern maps, and a slight sprinkling from other maps.

As to Pomerania, Pomerelia we were going by this map (http://www.euratlas.com/big/europe_1100.jpg).

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Gents, the game is now back in full creative motion with our other Admin Archduke returning after a long abscence. We have decided to decrease the size of the map so as to get the game moving as fast as possible. You can see a list of our 'newly updated' factions here (http://z14.invisionfree.com/12th_Century_Glory/index.php?showtopic=1521&st=0&#last). You can reserve your faction now!

We hope to have the game ready to begin by the end of next week, hopefully sooner. :)

[Rhyfelwyr]

That link to the faction list isn't working BTW, the boards are closed, can't see anything.

I'm thinking of signing up, but how much time would I have to dedicate to this game? Also how does diplomacy and battles work?

[Csargo]

That link to the faction list isn't working BTW, the boards are closed, can't see anything.

I'm thinking of signing up, but how much time would I have to dedicate to this game? Also how does diplomacy and battles work?

Seems the boards are undergoing some work.

You'de probably have to spend some time each day on the site dealing with moving armies, diplomacy, etc.

Diplomacy is simple there is a Diplomacy section in the forums where you can offer alliances, ask for aid, establish trade routes, etc.

[pevergreen]

KINGDOM OF DENMARK - Roskiilde

DUCHY OF GOTELAND - Aarhus
County of Skagen

DUCHY OF GOTEBORG - Goteborg

DUCHY OF BRONHOLM - Bronholm

I said on the other boards i would take Denmark if it was still open.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Yeah, go for Denmark I want Scotland!

[Trajanus]

the game is coming along smoothly. We are about 40% finished. I'm just gonna talk a little bit more about the game to give prospective players a deeper view.

12CG is based (at least in this version of the game) in A.D.1080, in Europe. The Carolingian Empire has fragmented and Nobles across Europe bicker and fight to improve their standing in the eye's of their peers. By playing 12CG you will become a noble dynasty.* With your family leader and other family members you can recruit great hosts of men to swarm across Europe consolidating the old empire.

If conquest is not your preferred game style, 12CG offers trade and economics rules that will keep you on your toes for making good trade links. A clever player can amass an entire fortune without a swing of his sword.

If you are not an entreprenuer, perhaps you can dominate the political world. Gain influence in the world by holding powerful titles. Make friends with characters in high places. Marry your sons and daughters to other political persons to gain that extra advantage over your rivals.

Keep your citizens happy with festivals and celebrations, or they may decide its high-time for another person to take hold of the title. Keep your nobles in line with authority and if needed force. No man is a friend, as all are vying for power.

Build great Colleges & Universities, and open your arms to the world of science and technology. Or follow a more conservative and devout path, with strict obediance to Mother Church.

Warning: This game is firstly quite addictive, and secondly quite time-consuming to play. We have tried to make it easier to play than v1.0, and will be continuing to do so throughout the v2.0 game. As such I would estimate that half an hour a day would suffice to play this game.

* - I would like to point out that as such, you do not technically play as The Kingdom of England. That is a title not a faction. Our faction's are based upon families, so we call them Dynasties.

[Monarch]

12CG is based (at least in this version of the game) in A.D.1080,

Twelth Century Glory set in the 11th century. Huh.

[UltraWar]

Twelth Century Glory set in the 11th century. Huh.
It starts in the 11th century but the action really happens in the 12th Century

[Trajanus]

Indeed. The game is setup based on history as much as possible. Then when it begins (in 1080A.D.) the players and Mods determine how history unfolds by their own actions. However we will try to throw in a historical event here and there just to keep a bit of realism.

If there is big interest in the game, we will slowly add parts to the map such as Iberia, and open up factions there. It all depends on the amount of interest though, if all faction spots get filled (roughly 70 at the moment!) then we will know the game is worthwhile, and so will expand it.

So 12CG veterans, invite all your friends to come and play, the more players the better the game.

The forums are now back online. Most is read only for the time being. ~:)

[Ignoramus]

In case anyone's wondering, the reason we cut out Iberia and the Middle East was because there weren't enough players. The problem in the original game was that all the players were spread out, which meant that there were some factions that struggled, while others(e.g. Flanders) that became a powerhouse very quickly.

[Trajanus]

its also far too much information to gather to start the game soon. ~:)

[Lord Cazaric]

So I guess me signing up as Kingdom of Jerusalem is out of the question?

Also, is this just a roleplay thing or is it an actual game?

[Derfasciti]

Lord Cazaric,

By what do you mean by game? If you mean something that has graphics and such, then no it's not a game. (it's not MTW2 but online) however, theoretically we are hoping to get something more "game-like" in the future.
It's a forum game, much like the IH's here but much more organized and many more options to choose from. We do roleplay as that is what makes it fun (at least for me). It's necessary to interact with fellow rulers and your vassals (both NPC and player) and there are many diplomatic and military elements. Perhaps someone else can explain this better than I can.

I strongly suggest you check it out. Especially if you like history like all of us do I'm sure :charge:

I'm an addict myself.:2thumbsup:

[Innocentius]

KINGDOM OF DENMARK - Roskiilde

DUCHY OF GOTELAND - Aarhus
County of Skagen

DUCHY OF GOTEBORG - Goteborg

DUCHY OF BRONHOLM - Bronholm
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KINGDOM OF SWEDEN - Stockholm

COUNTY OF UMED

COUNTY OF MORA

COUNTY OF KARLSTAD

COUNTY OF NORRKOPING

COUNTY OF KALMOR

COUNTY OF VISBY


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Sorry to be Mr. Know-It-All but:

I don't know what "GOTEBORG" is supposed to refer to. If it is Gothenburg on modern Sweden's west coast then it was not founded untill the 17th century.

BoRNholm.

Need I point out that Sweden did not exist by this time?

UMED (I suppose this means Umeå) was not founded untill the 16th/17th century. The area was largely uninhabitet apart from samis by the 12th century.

The same goes for Karlstad (except this area was inhabitated, Värlmand partly belonged to Norway though).

It should be Kalmar or Calmare if you want to stick to the medieval spelling.

Visby was a town in the hands of the Hanseatic League and was rather independant. Gotland however were tax-payers though the revolted every know and then.

And need I even point out that these counties never existed?

Suggested list of counties (still far from historical):

County of Axvall/Lödöse/Skara (Westrogothia)

County of Jönköping (Småland, practically a village by this time but anyway)

County of Kalmar (The more coastal areas of Småland)

County of Växjö (Southern Småland/borderlands to Danish Scania)

County of Linköping (instead of Norrköping, Eastrogothia)

County of Strängnäs (Närke)

County of Örebro/Arboga (Värmland)

County of Västerås (Västmanland)

If you still need more lands north of Stockholm then you can add:

County of Uppsala (archdiocese, Uppland)

County of Gävle (Gästrikland)

And then onto Finland:

County of Åbo (Turku)

County of Tavastehus (Hämeenlinna, borders with Novgorod)

County of Viborg (Karelia, borders with Novgorod)


Quite a bit of namedropping, isn't it?:clown: The underlined ones are the more important ones if you want to reduce the number somewhat (which I believe you will).

[Trajanus]

Thank you Innocentius for your thoughts.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by not a Kingdom yet, as the research I have done seems to point towards some kind of ruling authority. Last game Sweden had 2 Kings!

As to the Hanseatic League it wasn't founded for a good few years after 1080 I believe, so not just yet. ~:)

Goteburg was supposed to be the Danish lands on mainland southern Sweden.

This is the rough map we have been working from. http://www.euratlas.com/big/europe_1100.jpg

Either way Sweden is no longer a starting faction as we have downsized the map to begin. But may enter the game later if the map expands. I thank you for this new information as it will help setting it up for later. ~:)

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Following up on Derfasciti's comments, the game is a forum-based RPG TBS. You can view how to play 12CG in this forum http://z14.invisionfree.com/12th_Century_Glory/index.php?showforum=411

[Innocentius]

Thank you Innocentius for your thoughts.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by not a Kingdom yet, as the research I have done seems to point towards some kind of ruling authority. Last game Sweden had 2 Kings!

Sweden was technically not a proper kingdom untill the mid-to-late 13th century. The first one who can be considered real king of Sweden is Magnus Ladulås (reign 1275/1280-1290). Before that Sweden was too split geographically and politically to be considered a country. It took untill the late 14th or early 15th century before the term "Swedish" appeared. Before that, the inhabitants considered themselves Eastrogoths (östgötar), Westrogoths (västgötar), Svear or whatever.


As to the Hanseatic League it wasn't founded for a good few years after 1080 I believe, so not just yet. ~:)

I wasn't aware that the game started in 1080. In that case, Visby had nothing to do with Sweden at all really.


Goteburg was supposed to be the Danish lands on mainland southern Sweden.

Like I pointed out, Gothenburg was first founded by Gustav II Adolf in the 17th century. Lund would have been the administrative center of Scania.


Either way Sweden is no longer a starting faction as we have downsized the map to begin. But may enter the game later if the map expands. I thank you for this new information as it will help setting it up for later. ~:)

I wouldn't agree with removing the northern parts of the map as that would exclude Norway, which was by all means a kingdom by 1080.

[Trajanus]

Indeed as is most people's wants to include as much information and factions as possible. Sadly time restraints to find all the relevant information doesn't allow for that at the moment.

Too many other things going on etc. ~:)