why did some Carthage inf. lose their phalanx ability?

[ywingpilot]

The Liby-Phoenician Infantry lost their phalanx abilty, so how come the sacred band and greek (reformed hoplites) kept theirs?

[Gazius]

The Liby-Phoenician Infantry lost their phalanx abilty, so how come the sacred band and greek (reformed hoplites) kept theirs?

I believe its because they don't fight in true phalanx format, but due to the shieldwall being a BI only feature, they are now grouped very close together.

[Foot]

I assume its because they were never meant to have the phalanx ability and it was used as a placeholder until the proper animation could be added.

Foot

[ywingpilot]

isn't not so much that they lost the phalanx ability but both the Hoplitai Iphikratides and sacred band kept theirs? Another thing, it said before that they used "longer spears with the underhand thrust", why overhand now? I don't know if I love OR hate the changes, while Liby-Phoenician cannot beat pike phalanx infantry they can beat Hoplitai Iphikratides, 'cos they always tend to wrap around the phalanx and the AI simply cannot use phalanx inf.

[Foot]

isn't not so much that they lost the phalanx ability but both the Hoplitai Iphikratides and sacred band kept theirs?

I dont get it, are you jealous? We decided that they are better represented without the phalanx formation, but the others aren't. What else is there? Everything in this mod is work-in-progress so when we discovered a better alternative to the phalanx formation for the liby-phoencians we changed them, but the other units didn't change, either because they didn't need to or we still haven't found a better alternative.

Foot

[ywingpilot]

jealous? please...
I just find it kind of strange
i said, "I don't know if I love OR hate the changes"

[Thaatu]

At least phalanx ability should be removed from the greek bodyguard unit, but that's a whole other thing.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Personally I love them not having the phalanx formation. (I'm not a fan of the vanilla phalanx, especially with the new bugs added for 1.5.)I wish more units would lose the phalanx formation. I remember in my Roman campaign thinking, "I don't want to fight any phalanxes so I'll attack Carthage." And not looking into what I would be going up against bit me in the butt.

[Brightblade]

At the same time Iphikratian hoplites having phalanx ability makes sense because they were differentiated from their older hoplite cousins by having a longer spear... I guess my post about this seems to have somehow come true... we make do with what CA has given us !

[Kralizec]

I agree it doesn't seem to make much sense to give the Liby-Phoenicians the normal hoplitesque shieldwall, but the Sacred Band the RTW phalanx ability. Maybe they're scheduled for a makeover, too.

The Iphikrathians (and their derivatives) should retain it, though - the RTW phalanx with 3 forward spearpoints is probably the best way to represent that particular fighting style.

[Ypoknons]

I think they got the "classical hoplite formation" used by classical hoplites, along with the Spartans and the early Triarii. These represents hoplites before Iphikrates's reforms.

The Iphikrathians represent hoplites reformed with longer spears and full Phalanx formations represent the Macedonian phalanx.

[antisocialmunky]

The Hellenon phalanx units are pretty good and they really need them to be honest, especially against the Post-Marian Romans.

[Piddyx]

jealous? please...
I just find it kind of strange
i said, "I don't know if I love OR hate the changes"


just add ", phalanx" at the end of the formation line for the units who you wish would have the phalanx ability.

May as well put screeching_women in the attributes and give them armoured elephaunts too, while you are at it.

[Thaatu]

May as well put screeching_women in the attributes and give them armoured elephaunts too, while you are at it.
Cruel, cruel, too cruel. :shocked3:

[Obelics]

when you have an oplite style unit that have not the phalanx ability (like classic oplites, camillian triari etc.) you can beat an unit of phalanx pikemen, just not right clicking on the phalanx enemy, but pressing ALT and right clicking behind the phalanx. The Oplites will start to push the phalanx breaking their formation. As you see that the enemy phalanx is completely disordered, then right click on it, and they will quickly rout and flee. This is good at last on Medium battle difficulty.

[ywingpilot]

just add ", phalanx" at the end of the formation line for the units who you wish would have the phalanx ability.

May as well put screeching_women in the attributes and give them armoured elephaunts too, while you are at it.

Lets get ONE thing straight, i don't care for modding:furious3: and also what the hell does this go to do this screeching_women?!?:furious3:

The EB website says this about carthage's inf:
They have the traditional round shield of the Greek hoplite, but use longer spears with the underhand thrust, much like the reformed hoplites of the Greek mainland.

All I wanted to know is why they have switched to the overhand classic phalanx considering that Hoplitai Iphikratides kept their phalanx ability, was this how it was meant tobe ?, was giving them the phalanx ability a mistake? That is all I wanted to know, not a confrontation!!!

[Krusader]

Lets get ONE thing straight, i don't care for modding:furious3: and also what the hell does this go to do this screeching_women?!?:furious3:

The EB website says this about carthage's inf:
They have the traditional round shield of the Greek hoplite, but use longer spears with the underhand thrust, much like the reformed hoplites of the Greek mainland.

All I wanted to know is why they have switched to the overhand classic phalanx considering that Hoplitai Iphikratides kept their phalanx ability, was this how it was meant tobe ?, was giving them the phalanx ability a mistake? That is all I wanted to know, not a confrontation!!!

Hmm, good catch.
I can ask our Carthie advisors why.

[Watchman]

Looks like a case of old unit description to me... Mind you, there's at least one case (Lucanian infantry) where the EDU, the associated unit model and the EU description apparently concern entirely different units so...