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ok firstly... Pevergreen the write ups hardly ever give a cleer inication whether a person is guilty or not, some even try and mislead you into thinking that.
Secondly my vote was not a bandwagon Sasaki it was more to promt a responce from you which now i have got. You do sometimes play the game in this fashion so i atm my vote is changed.
Unvote:Sasaki
Vote:Abstain (for now, yet i would like to hear more about why pevergreen bellieves Caius is guilty due to the write up.)
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-08-2007, 18:10
tempted to vote for omanes...May I ask your reasoning behind this lynch attack on poor old me?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2007, 18:31
May I ask your reasoning behind this lynch attack on poor old me?
You put the fourth vote on me without giving a reason?
scotchedpommes
03-08-2007, 19:57
Vote: Sasaki
I think adequate reasons have already been expressed. So perhaps it shouldn't
come as a surprise if votes are... automatic?
Vote: Caius
Same reasoning as last time.
Well, the write ups are good, large and better than mines
Vote:Abstain
Maybe I can change my vote
Sasaki Kojiro
03-08-2007, 20:03
Vote: Sasaki
I think adequate reasons have already been expressed. So perhaps it shouldn't
come as a surprise if votes are... automatic?
There have been no adequate reasons expressed. Thus->bandwagon.
doc_bean
03-08-2007, 22:06
I had completely forgotten about this game, how come I haven't been WoG yet ?
I had completely forgotten about this game, how come I haven't been WoG yet ?
:inquisitive:
Well, this is the first round.
I must say Sapi does have a point. Normaly you would spend a long time writing a dietialled answer "digging up some dirt". Yet in this mafia all you have posted is very short replies. So for now my vote stands yet may change if any evidence presents itself.
Vote:Sasaki
I disagree. Sasaki often gives short answers, makes short posts with an annoying remark or question in it.
He seldom makes post longer than four or five sentences in mafia games.
I had completely forgotten about this game, how come I haven't been WoG yet ?
Because this is only the second lynch round. Would be a bit early to WoG somebody, wouldn't it?
On the other hand, is this some louzy trick to deceive us?
Hey, it can't be me, a mafioso wouldn't forget about the game, would he? So I must be innocent!
:inquisitive:
Or do you have a better explanation?
And I'm also a bit suspicious about Warluster. He pops up, doesn't say much and disappears without voting... :inquisitive:
And I'm also a bit suspicious about Warluster. He pops up, doesn't say much and disappears without voting... :inquisitive:
Well atleast he pops up, different from others who completely forgot about this game :laugh4:
Who to vote for this round?
Since I have been more concerned about real life this round, it would be best to
Vote:Abstain
So, we have come to this list:
Stig-Dead
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot-Not very Active
Redleg-Giving signals life right now
Caius Flaminius-Eh, what can I say about he?He is crazy :grin:-Active
Sir Boo-Lurking
CountArach-?
pevergreen-?
GeneralHankerchief-Away for days
Ichigo-Dead
Warluster-Suspect no.1-
Lord Motep of Kendermore-Lurking
ByzantineKnight-Dead
ShadeHonestus-Dead
sapi-Not much posts
AndresTheCunning-Active
Cronos Impera-Not Active
Sasaki Kojiro-Active
ChuggtheSquirrel-Lurking, maybe timezone problem
rdeče.jabolko-Active
doc_bean-Suspect-He didnt remember he was playing
Coming, the telebin(We call that the replay of the moves in football)
ShadeHonestus
03-09-2007, 00:59
I've heard that I'm being written into an episode after being saved by dolphins with lasers on their heads...or something.
196-Ultra tell us Shade And Ichigo are dead
197-GH NCP(no content post)
198-Ultra aclaraton
199-Shade Gah! post
200-First move of GH, he voted motep.Reason Lurking
201-Ichigo talks to GH.seems the one of the cultist didnt write a write-up
202-Sasaki starts to get the discution going
203-Stig NCP
204-Ichigo NCP
205-Ichigo wants the discution going
206-BK replies too.He want the same thing
207-Ichigo NCP
208-Sasaki launches an accusation to doc_bean
209-Ichigo wants a reason.
210-GH asks the same thing
211-Shade make a doubt about GH reasoning
212-Sasaki votes doc_bean.He didnt remember the votation was on:inquisitive:
213-Ichigo wants to help.Posts the 5 more posters in the thread at that moment
214-Chugg makes the first apparition in the first votation.He doesnt vote
215-Ichigo NCP
216-Sasaki defends himself
217-Ichigo want to know if Sasaki is Cultist
218-Chugg replies to the last Ichigo NCP
219-Ichigo NCP
220-Sasaki says:Im not going to deny it.Kidding we guess
221-Chugg NCP
222-Ichigo NCP
223-Chugg NCP
Note:Im tired of NCP
224-Ichigo came back to topic
225-Sasaki thows an accusation to Ichigo
226-GH changes vote.Reason:Stop being so cryptic.
227-Sasaki says: egs.
228-Ichigo throws names of people who were lurking
229-GH makes an announcement.He is going on holiday
230-Ichigo Gah! Post
231-Sasaki NCP
232-Ichigo NCP
233-Warluster calls to 'go back to topic'
234-Sasaki replies to Warluster posts
235-Ichigo replies saying Warluster's post is helpless
236-CR posts-He is not playing
237-CA comes and votes Warluster.Reason:For being cryptic. Also we need discussion
238-sapi comes too and votes Sasaki.Very strange reason:You just seem so out of character - it's confusing :inquisitive:
239-Sasaki repliest to sapi post
240-Stig threws an accusation to Sasaki
241-sapi NCP
242-SSNeoPerestroika throws 2 names:Motep and doc_bean
243-Sir Boo, who didnt post in the whole life of the thread, jumps on the bandwagon of Sasaki.Reason:"Normaly you would spend a long time writing a dietialled answer "
244-SS doesnt want to see Motep dead.Strange
245-Omanes the Idiot voted for Sasaki.No reason given:inquisitive:
246-pevergreen votes Caius because the M&M kill I writed is similar
247-Warluster want a reason
248-pever explains
249-Cronos come with Vote:Abstain.Not a reason given
250-Sasaki Votes Sir Boo.Reason:Bandwagon
251-Sir Boo retreats the vote because wants info for pever.
252-Omanes plays as 'please dont kill me'
253-Sasaki wants a explain for Omanes vote
254-SS votes Sasaki
255-Caius abstain.Also gives a note when he explains the writeups dont match
256-Sasaki acussates SS of bandwagon
257-doc_bean makes an appartion.strange because he didnt payed attention
258-Caius suspects of doc_bean
259-Andres cant vote.But he gives a little explanation about the last posts
260-Stig NCP
261-List of players actives
262-This post
The situation at the moment at this story.
pevergreen
03-09-2007, 01:35
Summary thats easy to read is nice.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2007, 01:39
Interesting. The last game where someone posted a list like that was stillcreek where I did it as part of my pretend to be townie bit (caius and I were mafia that game). It helped us out...I hate to vote him for it though, especially since he seems on the money with his observations.
he seems on the money with his observations
What are you refering in this phrase?
Oh and much spam here.It would be more easy if some people didnt spammed the thread
Basically, my idea is:Seek and destroy.One maybe doesnt come back to read all the thread again, so i made that for making this easy and say what i think.Now, im not sure if i will alive for not much.Maybe the mafia will kill me because im helping the town...who knows?After all, I have said what i think.
As I said, some people(Sir Boo, Omanes and the strange name man), jumped on the bandwagon.Especially Omanes, who didnt give a reason.He jumped.Sir Boo made a poor reason.You come, jump, and dont add nothing more to the discution.Warlusted did that too, but he didnt voted.
Well, Im thinking Sasaki is innocent, but he can fool me as easy as a kid.He is more experimented than me, although Im starting to think more and make good movements.
So, as I said before, I will
Unvote:Abstain
Vote:Sir Boo
Jumps in the bandwagon, and gives a poor reason.Maybe a mafioso?
scotchedpommes
03-09-2007, 03:03
Caius, with #244 I wasn't offering a defence of Motep. Sir Boo was questioning
any action taken against him in the previous post.
ChuggtheSquirrel
03-09-2007, 04:37
ChuggtheSquirrel-Lurking, maybe timezone problem
Yeah it is. I was asleep for most of the discussion.
BTW, I was suspicious of Sasaki before.
Warluster
03-09-2007, 07:11
I have a question for pevergreen, why are you suspicous of Caius, and you say because its about the write up?
I don't vote for anyone because I still haven't made up my mind, i am not gonna just go mad and vote for anyone who posts.
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CountArach
03-09-2007, 07:25
I have a question for pevergreen, why are you suspicous of Caius, and you say because its about the write up?
I don't vote for anyone because I still haven't made up my mind, i am not gonna just go mad and vote for anyone who posts.
So you ignored my vote against you? No thoughts on that, or are you simply deflecting attention.
Warluster
03-09-2007, 07:32
Yes, i pretty much ignored your vote, why you ask? BEcause your reasons weren't reasons, if they had've had a true meaning behind the vote I might've reacted, but no, I did not, and I will not.
CountArach
03-09-2007, 07:37
Yes, i pretty much ignored your vote, why you ask? BEcause your reasons weren't reasons, if they had've had a true meaning behind the vote I might've reacted, but no, I did not, and I will not.
Just trying to get a reaction.
Unvote: Warluster
Well, as sasaki pointed out, i haven't played that many games with him - if this is normal then i stand corrected :bow:
You'd have thought others would have known better though...
Unvote: Sasaki
Nice summary Caius, good way to put yourself in the clear.
Last time I came up with a good theory I suddenly became highly suspicious (that was Capo or so), so I didn't do it in Midgard and won.
CountArach
03-09-2007, 08:04
Vote: Sapi
Sasaki never really gave a valid reason, but only a mild three word challenge. So as soon as you were challenged on a vote, you changed it. The size of the challenge did not bother you.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2007, 08:07
CountA, why didn't you vote Sir Boo for doing the same thing?
CountArach
03-09-2007, 08:10
CountA, why didn't you vote Sir Boo for doing the same thing?
Where?
ChuggtheSquirrel
03-09-2007, 08:59
Um... Lord Motep? Would you say something? I haven't seen much from you.
What are you refering in this phrase?
Oh and much spam here.It would be more easy if some people didnt spammed the thread
Basically, my idea is:Seek and destroy.One maybe doesnt come back to read all the thread again, so i made that for making this easy and say what i think.Now, im not sure if i will alive for not much.Maybe the mafia will kill me because im helping the town...who knows?After all, I have said what i think.
As I said, some people(Sir Boo, Omanes and the strange name man), jumped on the bandwagon.Especially Omanes, who didnt give a reason.He jumped.Sir Boo made a poor reason.You come, jump, and dont add nothing more to the discution.Warlusted did that too, but he didnt voted.
Well, Im thinking Sasaki is innocent, but he can fool me as easy as a kid.He is more experimented than me, although Im starting to think more and make good movements.
So, as I said before, I will
Unvote:Abstain
Vote:Sir Boo
Jumps in the bandwagon, and gives a poor reason.Maybe a mafioso?
Well, Caius, this long post caught my eye.
I never saw you making such well thaught, long posts in games where you were a townie.
Care to elaborate on this sudden change of attitude compared to other games?
Vote: Sapi
Sasaki never really gave a valid reason, but only a mild three word challenge. So as soon as you were challenged on a vote, you changed it. The size of the challenge did not bother you.
I was led to believe that playing like this can also be normal sasaki behaviour; and if that is the case, there's no reason for me to vote for him.
Yay! Bandwagon!
Sapi hasn't played many games with me but you should know I play in this style sometimes.
Vote:Sir Boo
tempted to vote for omanes...
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-09-2007, 14:02
Um... Lord Motep? Would you say something? I haven't seen much from you.The great Lord Motep is never the most active player in a mafia game when he is town - yet, he all of a suddenly turns active when he is under threat of being lynched. Also in this sort of game when townies do not receive role PMs, not being active can hint you are a one of them by sadly not noticing the game has started - easy enough to do if you don't check the thread every day!
I never saw you making such well thaught, long posts in games where you were a townie.
Care to elaborate on this sudden change of attitude compared to other games?
Well, the reason of the why is, I want to help.I dont have any special powers.I dont have the power to know who is mafioso nor I dont have the power of selecting who will die.
So I decided, in a strange way, help.Not only casting the vote, I wanted to help in other way.
So I did that, although the thread was spammed and all.Just I putten my 2 cents.Now I have serious suspictions about:
Sir Boo.Reason:Bandwagonner and poor reason
Omanes.Reason:Cast a vote without explanation
sapi.Reason:Vote against sasaki because:' You just seem so out of character - it's confusing '
doc_bean.Reason:Err, why Im not dead yet?post
So there we are.We need to know if between this people is a cultist.Maybe the Detective can investigate this list?
For the last time i have already stated i was not bandwagoning!... I was simply trying to provoke a responce from Sasaki which i recieved, hence why i changed my vote.
Unvote:Sir Boo
Vote:Omanes
Given the reason in the other post
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2007, 20:52
The great Lord Motep is never the most active player in a mafia game when he is town - yet, he all of a suddenly turns active when he is under threat of being lynched. Also in this sort of game when townies do not receive role PMs, not being active can hint you are a one of them by sadly not noticing the game has started - easy enough to do if you don't check the thread every day!
Why would you spend time defending one player but not on your accusation of another?
Unvote, vote:omanes
also I'm in the lead otherwise...
The great Lord Motep is never the most active player in a mafia game when he is town - yet, he all of a suddenly turns active when he is under threat of being lynched. Also in this sort of game when townies do not receive role PMs, not being active can hint you are a one of them by sadly not noticing the game has started - easy enough to do if you don't check the thread every day!
Motep didnt said something like that.
Find the thread 'You have played too many mafia games when'
I said you have the gameroom as homepage
and he quoted me
Im guilty of that.
He came yesterday to the forums, so he is being a lurker or he is hiding from everyone, hoping we wont talk about he and not vote he.
doc_bean claimed he had forgotten about this game, yet he didn't answer my question yet... Did he forget again? Isn't he a bit too young to suffer already from a condition (amnesia?)?
:inquisitive:
As for Lord Motep, the last time was absent in a mafia game, it was due to his computer being broken down. In that period he wasn't around the Org at all. I wonder why he isn't participating in this game?
(on the other hand, there are many players lurking apparently...)
As for Lord Motep, the last time he lurked in a mafia game, he did so because his computer broke down. In that period he wasn't around the Org at all. I wonder why he isn't participating in this game (on the other hand, there are many players lurking apparently...)
Well, if i remmeber wrong, he lurked all the time in The Argentum Mafia.He gave an exlanation but that, was much time ago.Maybe Im wrong.
So, when this will be finishing?
CountArach
03-09-2007, 21:07
I was led to believe that playing like this can also be normal sasaki behaviour; and if that is the case, there's no reason for me to vote for him.
What led you to believe that?
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-09-2007, 21:54
Why would you spend time defending one player but not on your accusation of another?Partially because it is quite clear why I voted for you - you voted for me round one with no reason either. We are in theory, both guilty of each other's crime - voting for no reason.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-09-2007, 22:29
No it's quite different. If someone is lurking a vote can be assumed to be a pressure vote. Jumping on a bandwagon with a vote that puts someone up for lynch requires a reason.
Why do you say "it is clear why I voted you" and then say you voted me for no reason?
UltraWar
03-09-2007, 23:03
I'll give you some extra time to vote
Why would you spend time defending one player but not on your accusation of another?
Unvote, vote:omanes
also I'm in the lead otherwise...
The question is in the time remaining before the closing of the vote - should I change my vote to lynch you or omanes. It seems I have a choice right now, and based upon the reading so far, either would be good. Or in this game does a tie mean more discussion on the players that tied in the vote?
pevergreen
03-09-2007, 23:44
Vote: Omanes
Vote: Omanes
I thought Caius was your prime suspect...
You do realize this vote probably means Omanes will get lynched.
Care to elaborate?
ninja edit!
Vote: Omanes
Can i ask why you have suddenly changed your vote?
What led you to believe that?Sasaki posting as such, and no one contradicting him.
If this isn't the case - tell me now, so I can change my vote back to him. But if this is how he normally plays then we're better off lynching a cultist.
It's interesting that pever's cast what is likely to be the deciding vote with almost no explanation at all...
ChuggtheSquirrel
03-10-2007, 04:04
Pevergreen, would you explain your vote? Not that i'm on Omanes' side, but the vote is kinda suspicious... :inquisitive:
Pevergreen, would you explain your vote? Not that i'm on Omanes' side, but the vote is kinda suspicious... :inquisitive:
Why don't you just vote him?
ChuggtheSquirrel
03-10-2007, 04:14
Good idea!!!
Vote: Omanes :hanged:
You ask for an explanation of a bandwagon vote and then immediately make one yourself?
Good idea!!!
Vote: Omanes :hanged:
I was saying pevergreen.:dizzy2:
ChuggtheSquirrel
03-10-2007, 04:22
Ichigo suggested it. But good point, sorry
Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Abstain
Edit: Bolding votes.
Ichigo suggested it. But good point, sorry
Unvote: Omanes
Vote: Abstain
Edit: Bolding votes.
I was talking about pevergreen. Don't put words in my mouth.:whip: :thumbsdown:
CountArach
03-10-2007, 04:34
Unvote: Sapi
Vote: Chugg
That whole exchange was confusing and highly suspicious. As soon as he was challenged on his bandwagon he unvoted.
I was talking about pevergreen. Don't put words in my mouthAgreed - there's enough coming out of there already :laugh4:
But seriously, hypocrisy may not be a crime, but it's a damn good indicator of one :thumbsdown:
Vote: Chugg
well, Sir Boo did the same thing
CountArach
03-10-2007, 04:37
But not as quickly as Chugg.
But not as quickly as Chugg.
True.
We probably should watch both of them - it could be innocent this time, but if it keeps happening it might be something more.
pevergreen
03-10-2007, 06:17
:laugh4: It worked.
It was to break the stalemate between Omanes and Sasaki.
That vote by Chugg was so very stupid.
Chugg is now my main suspect.
Vote: Chugg
Unvote, Vote:Chugg
Why did you that?
UltraWar
03-10-2007, 14:06
Voting ended, now counting votes and getting ready for execution
UltraWar
03-10-2007, 16:23
As the voting finally came to a halt, UltraWar was carrying something heavy yet covered up by a cloth so that no one could guess what it was. Something told them that it truly was dangerous and beautiful.
ChuggtheSquirrel, however, could share the admiration of this mysterious object. He was still too busy wondering why people were mysteriously turning on him. So, as UltraWar explained was explaining to the villagers about the greatness of every kind of donut and how all toffee flavoured donuts should be outlawed and how the town should build a statue of a huge donut, Chugg continued preaching he was innocent, no one paid attention to him.
"...........SHUT UP CHUGG!"
UltraWar proceeded with his official announcement.
"Gentlemen," he began, "You have hereby declared ChuggtheSquirrel guilty of murder. Chugg, do you have any las-"
"UltraWar, I'm sick of hearing about you and your donuts! If I hear any more about donuts... I will seriously kill you" Chugg spluttered.
"Like how you killed Ichigo? You have proven your guilt right now. Get ready to die."
UltraWar ordered Sasaki Kojiro and pevergreen to tie up Chugg to the most hallowed tree in the Graveyard. Then after a short trek, the villagers came to the tree and witnessed Chugg being tied up, when this deed was done, UltraWar waited for a minute and the villagers had blank expressions on their faces.
Chugg thought he was safe.
Just then, UltraWar unveiled the mysterious object from it's silk veil. It was the BeirutMaster 6000™. Everyone looked at it in awe and Chugg gulped at the sight of it. He knew it was so effective, it put Chuck Norris to shame.
UltraWar started up the chainsaw and after some spluttering, it started to run. The Chief of Police started to give a demonstration by testing the chainsaw on Stig's gravestone. It cut the gravestone in half, then quarters, and eventually, there was no trace of the gravestone left.
UltraWar then started to advance on Chugg and saw the sweat on Chugg's face. The end was nigh for Chugg. UltraWar eventually reached Chugg and ended his torment. Chugg and the tree was no more.
Yet cutting that very tree had consequences. Remember AndresTheCunning who went missing? He fell out of the tree and was fine. Unluckily for him, a man wearing a suit of black medieval armour riding a white stallion with a lance rose from the grave of Stig. He was the reason that Andres was hiding. There was to be no return. No mercy. Andres started to run away as fast as he could but unfortunately for him, the knight was faster and caught up with him. Andres was tired and ran so hard, he ended up colliding with doc_bean. The knight finally caught up with Andres and went on to stab him and the unlucky Count who he collided with. They were both dead.
The knight finally spoke.
"You think that you have won? You must be gullible to think that. The cultists will dominate you and this town, when they do, we will conquer the next town and the one after that. Eventually the world will be ours and we our god will reign supreme! HEIL TCHERNOBOG! SIEG HEIL! NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP THE MIGHT OF US!"
Just as suddenly as he came, he disappeared mysteriously in a puff of white smoke.
All the villagers were struck by a feeling of disbelief. They could not believe it. They were no longer safe. The only person who wasn't fazed by any of these events was UltraWar who was currently eating one of his favourite donuts.
"Everyone, do not panic, we are safe under my policing. There is nothing to worry about. Now let us go to the town meeting and talk about donuts!"
Here is the vote summary for Round 2:
ChuggtheSquirrel - 4 (CountArach, sapi, pevergreen, Caius Flaminius)
Sasaki Kojiro - 3 (GeneralHankerchief, Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot, rdeče.jabolko)
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot - 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Abstain - 4 (Cronos Impera, Sir Boo, Redleg, ChuggtheSquirrel)
Didn't vote
Didn't vote: 4 - AndresTheCunning, Warluster, Lord Motep of Kendermore, doc_bean
Still alive: (13)
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Redleg
Caius Flaminius
Sir Boo
CountArach
pevergreen
GeneralHankerchief
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
sapi
Cronos Impera
Sasaki Kojiro
rdeče.jabolko
Killed:
ByzantineKnight
ShadeHonestus
Ichigo
Executed:
Stig
ChuggtheSquirrel :skull:
Wrath of God:
AndresTheCunning :skull:
doc_bean :skull:
(Out of Character: AndresTheCunning may NOT vote in this voting period due to excessive bandwagonning. Thank you)
I didn't vote in the last lynching round, so I wonder why I got WoG'ed. The restriction said nothing about posting. I pm'ed you to be 100 % sure, but since you didn't answer, I followed my own interpretation, which is imho the correct one.
:inquisitive:
I didn't vote in the last lynching round, so I wonder why I got WoG'ed. The restriction said nothing about posting. I pm'ed you to be 100 % sure, but since you didn't answer, I followed my own interpretation, which is imho the correct one.
:inquisitive:
God is angry today.He told that to the Org Pope(Caius Flaminius):beam:
God is angry today.He told that to the Org Pope(Caius Flaminius):beam:
I think the other players need an explanation, so that they know the criteria on which basis a player can get WoG'ed or lose his vote in the next lynching round.
I don't see the rules mentioning something about that, so maybe it should be added to the game rules.
CountArach
03-10-2007, 21:34
It sounds as if we got one of 'em!
how can we know?Ultra can post the results, if he want to.
Also, we had a PM exchange.
Someone seems to be playing fast and loose with the rules of the game. The WoG doesn't seem to be in line with previous games.
Edit:
If this is the way this game will be ran - you can WoG me on the next round. Loose rules lead to misunderstandings and a ruining of the game. This needs to be explained to a matter that we all can understand, because frankly I don't understand the WoG of Andres at all.
CountArach
03-10-2007, 22:44
Also, we had a PM exchange.
Care to share?
Care to share?
Why not?
Do you know why UW WoG'd me? I didn't do anything wrong, did I?
I already found it strange that he forbid me to vote, now I follow the rules, and I still get WoG'ed.
~:confused:
Yes, God is angry today.He told me in a dream you deserved death.
Its strange, I know, but God isnt in a good day
Regards from the .Org Pope
~:confused:
Are you mocking me?
I'm dead serious now Caius. Because, in all honesty, I'm rather upset about this. Imo, I didn't break any rule of the game, but nonetheless I lose my vote in the lynching round and afterwards I get WoG'ed. Without any decent explanation by Ultra in the thread nor through PM.
~:angry:
Andres.
Sorry, I wont mock you again
that was the explanaition i had form UW.I know, that suck, but why he did that?Im not sure,
were you a townie?
EDIT:Missing PM
How to give mafia victory part 1:
WoG for no good reason, I'm actually happy I got killed, makes sure I don't have to take part in an unfair game
CountArach
03-11-2007, 01:24
Yes it is unfair, but maybe osmeone has a role that lets them WoG someone?
That seems like the only explanation, however unlikely it may be...
CountArach
03-11-2007, 02:26
Yeah I'm starting to think that someone has a role that lets them block someone from voting, and someone else can WoG someone who didn't vote maybe?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-11-2007, 02:42
Yeah I'm starting to think that someone has a role that lets them block someone from voting, and someone else can WoG someone who didn't vote maybe?
You sound scummy here.
You sound scummy here.
Yes, only the mafia thinks in killing idle people to have a near victory
I think what he's trying to say is that there could be another evil role, allied with the cultists or otherwise, who can wog and block people...
And you are allied with he!
We have won!:beam:
CountArach
03-11-2007, 02:58
You sound scummy here.
Explain to me this:
If I was a cultist, how would I know about these roles?
As it is, I'm just guessing...
ChuggtheSquirrel
03-11-2007, 03:00
Sorry, guys, I meant to vote Pevergreen. I just realized that I voted Omanes. :embarassed: GO TOWN!!!
Seems like that's one cultist down then :yes:
Seems like that's one cultist down then :yes:
How can you be sure?
I can't ... but i also can't see a normal person both attempting to cover up their mistake and making an overt attempt to be pro-town after they've just been lynched...
CountArach
03-11-2007, 03:25
I'm going to agree with Sapi on this one. Also the fact that at the killing it was said that he was guilty.
There's still one more of the bastards cultists to find, though.
Any ideas?
CountArach
03-11-2007, 04:23
I'll keep that to myself for now...
CountArach
03-11-2007, 04:55
Yes you are.
pevergreen
03-11-2007, 08:40
:inquisitive: Why was I in the lynch write up...
Quick!
He's a cultist!
Kill him!
(that means that no, i have no idea why you were in the writup :grin2:)
Lynch Caius, he plays this game as the minigame where we lynched 3 mafia in the first 3 days.
Lynch Caius, he plays this game as the minigame where we lynched 3 mafia in the first 3 days. So true....maybe we should get him.
GeneralHankerchief
03-11-2007, 21:12
What is your opinion on what has transpired so far?
I'm back btw.
So true....maybe we should get him.
You are not in condition of talk about that...
First, you lurk all the game and then you came here, and try to lynch someone who has proven innocence before?
I suggest lynch you!
You are not in condition of talk about that...
First, you lurk all the game and then you came here, and try to lynch someone who has proven innocence before?
I suggest lynch you!
:inquisitive:
As I said lynch Caius, 99% change he's mafia. He's playing this like he played Legend of Davenport. Anyone who was in that game and doesn't agree can be made suspect as well, but Caius is mafia
You are not in condition of talk about that...
First, you lurk all the game and then you came here, and try to lynch someone who has proven innocence before?
I suggest lynch you!
I am sorry for having a life....:shame:
I am sorry for having a life....:shame:
You should be. Booooooo :thumbsdown:
GeneralHankerchief
03-11-2007, 22:27
I am sorry for having a life....:shame:
Why are you ignoring me?
I have asked you repeatedly now what your opinion is on the game so far. However, you choose to say nothing and instead just respond to Caius's attack.
I'm not asking that you read the entire thread and give me a detailed post about everything. I'm sure that you have read certain parts of the thread, and you must have some opinion about those certain parts. Kindly make it known.
Right now, you've made ten posts, two of them significant. The first of them announced your intent to play the game. The other one, your most recent one, gives your defense as well as reveals that you only respond to selective players. If you do not start to make better, more meaty posts then you will continue to receive my vote.
As I said lynch Caius, 99% change he's mafia. He's playing this like he played Legend of Davenport. Anyone who was in that game and doesn't agree can be made suspect as well, but Caius is mafia
Im a plain townie.
As i told you before, I cant choose who will be the next nor, not and who to investigate.Where is the detective when you need it?
pevergreen
03-12-2007, 00:22
I cant choose who will be the next and who to investigate.
You claiming detective?
No, I should had said will be the next nor who to investigate.My fault
pevergreen
03-12-2007, 00:27
So this?:
As I told you before, I cant choose who will be the next killed and who will be the next to be investigated.Where is the detective when you need it?
pevergreen
03-12-2007, 00:40
what? You are being very weird right now.
scotchedpommes
03-12-2007, 04:36
So this?:
As I told you before, I cant choose who will be the next killed and who will be the next to be investigated.Where is the detective when you need it?
...
what? You are being very weird right now.
Recognise when someone is having difficulties communicating instead of simply
calling them weird, pever. With some thought you might see that he is saying he
can't choose who will be killed or investigated, and asking 'where is the
detective when you need him?'
what? You are being very weird right now.
I think it was pretty clear what Caius meant. We know English isn't his native language, so I don't see why you have to push this so far.
To be honest pevergreen, I didn't like how you switched your vote to Omanes without a decent explanation last round.
Now, you seem so eager to prosecute Caius who already answered your fascist (~;) ) question.
Your behaviour is getting more and more suspicious to me :inquisitive:
pevergreen
03-13-2007, 00:34
I was just trying to understand what he meant.
Humble Apologies. :bow:
Didnt i change my vote to end the tie and it caught someone out.
ChuggtheSquirrel
03-13-2007, 03:41
I can't ... but i also can't see a normal person both attempting to cover up their mistake and making an overt attempt to be pro-town after they've just been lynched...
I didn't attempt to cover it up, except for admitting my mistake. And I am a townie
pevergreen
03-13-2007, 04:41
That cant be proven until end game.
It's a long day. You living guys never go to sleep? :inquisitive:
We do - but in the middle of your day :laugh4:
Why are you ignoring me?
I have asked you repeatedly now what your opinion is on the game so far. However, you choose to say nothing and instead just respond to Caius's attack.
I'm not asking that you read the entire thread and give me a detailed post about everything. I'm sure that you have read certain parts of the thread, and you must have some opinion about those certain parts. Kindly make it known.
Right now, you've made ten posts, two of them significant. The first of them announced your intent to play the game. The other one, your most recent one, gives your defense as well as reveals that you only respond to selective players. If you do not start to make better, more meaty posts then you will continue to receive my vote.
I keep forgetting this game. If I don't become more active in the next couple of days, go ahead and lynch me. As for my opinion, I have none at the moment, although after reading the last page, pever seems suspicious. And, most of the time, when you ask my opinion, I just skip over the post...sorry...:bow: , or are already back off of the computer by the time it is posted.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-13-2007, 18:46
For those that don't know, you can click on the number of posts in the thread statistics and it shows you who posted - very useful tool, especially in mafia games. At the moment we have quite a few nasty lurkers, perhaps we should drag them out of their inactivity. Also Ichigo is suspiciously active and Caius Flaminius is not too far behind. What is your reasoning behind this?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-13-2007, 19:05
Ichigo is always active.
Also *Screeeeshot aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh kill him now!!!11*
Im always active, because i dont have a life :shame:
But Im punished, and i cant use the pc too much as always.
So, that is why i post much.
Caivs
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-13-2007, 19:40
Also *Screeeeshot aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh kill him now!!!11*Edited out, sorry.
Caius, you posted far less in earlier games, where you weren't mafia
For those that don't know, you can click on the number of posts in the thread statistics and it shows you who posted - very useful tool, especially in mafia games. At the moment we have quite a few nasty lurkers, perhaps we should drag them out of their inactivity. Also Ichigo is suspiciously active and Caius Flaminius is not too far behind. What is your reasoning behind this?
Well then you should vote for me next round. :laugh4:
For those that don't know, you can click on the number of posts in the thread statistics and it shows you who posted - very useful tool, especially in mafia games. At the moment we have quite a few nasty lurkers, perhaps we should drag them out of their inactivity. Also Ichigo is suspiciously active and Caius Flaminius is not too far behind. What is your reasoning behind this?
Umm Mr Ichigo is dead... If he was a mafia then why was he killed by one, unless their is a secret role around somewere which i doubt.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-13-2007, 22:55
This game is whaaack. Being townie is boring, too much work.
Well, Ultra seems to forgot the game
UltraWar
03-14-2007, 20:02
CountArach was at the The Old Opera House enjoying his role as the main lead. It really was a big one and if he sang to perfection, he would be able to land a worthwhile job and leave this hell-hole. Everyone enjoyed hearing him with his angelic voice and it was a great show. However, though, when he started to sing 'The Beautiful People', he seemed to feel a little warmer than usual. When he was singing at the top of his voice and looked up, it was then that he noticed the stage light dropping on top of him. He was too late to dodge this and was flattened into the ground. The crowd went wild with applause.
GeneralHankerchief made his way home swiftly, running through the pitch black streets his eyes scanning his surroundings as he endeavoured on for any glimpse of steel. He could hear footsteps all around him, teasing him as he shoved the key into his door slamming it behind him as he ran up to his room. His heart racing, he waited, dagger in hand, for the footsteps in the streets bellow to fade away.
3 hours had past, General slowly laid back on his bed, unaware of the hooded figure unsheathing his blade under his bed. The figure smiled mercilessly as he thrust the blade up through the bed again and again. Blood poured through the mattress as the figure continued his fury of blows. The figure licked his lips swiftly making his way back into the night.
The next day, UltraWar gathered the villagers to The Morningside Mortuary, in order to make an announcement.
"Friends, it seems that we have lost two more comrades in unforeseeable circumstances. CountArach by a 'unfortunate' set of circumstances resulting in being flattened into the ground. GeneralHankerchief, though, has had a more traditional death. We really need to trace the cultists before any other upstanding members of society are killed"
UltraWar then went to eat a Strawberry Donut and pause for a moment to think.
"We will need to vote again to lynch someone for these murders. This time, the murder will be something on the 'wild' side. It is time to cast your votes again!"
Still alive: (11)
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Redleg
Caius Flaminius
Sir Boo
pevergreen
Warluster
Lord Motep of Kendermore
sapi
Cronos Impera
Sasaki Kojiro
rdeče.jabolko
Killed:
ByzantineKnight
ShadeHonestus
Ichigo
CountArach :skull:
GeneralHankerchief :skull:
Executed:
Stig
ChuggtheSquirrel
Wrath of God:
AndresTheCunning
doc_bean
Sasaki Kojiro
03-14-2007, 20:08
11 people left. 2 mislynches and we lose.
I suppose I should start taking this seriously.
Aye, by lynching Caius for example
How could I get killed and Sasaki be left alive? Think about that.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-14-2007, 20:57
^^easily
The detective should reveal if alive. 4 innocents would be worth it. Gives us 2/6 and then 2/5 instead of 2/11 and 2/8.
How could I get killed and Sasaki be left alive? Think about that.
Aye Caius is mafia #1 on my list, and Sasaki is #2
Sasaki Kojiro
03-14-2007, 21:27
There are too many lurkers.
There are too many lurkers.
True. :whip: :thumbsdown:
Hmmm, maybe Ultra had to wait for his mafioso...
It might be Redleg after all... :inquisitive:
I should keep an eye to everyone.
We need the detective here.And now.Because we are going to lose.
So, dont came with false claims, As I told you before, Im not the detective nor a mafioso.I will read one and other time the PM.Well, maytbe the detective is dead right now.But we have to know.Sooner or later.But sooner is better ;)
I should keep an eye to everyone.
We need the detective here.And now.Because we are going to lose.
So, dont came with false claims, As I told you before, Im not the detective nor a mafioso.I will read one and other time the PM.Well, maytbe the detective is dead right now.But we have to know.Sooner or later.But sooner is better ;)
Why do you want to know his identity right now?
Because you want to kill him this night, dirty mafioso?
Yup, the detective can only reveal once in the entire game. If he hasn't caught all mafia yet it would be stupid to reveal. However for mafia like Caius him revealing will help.
Why do you want to know his identity right now?
Because you want to kill him this night, dirty mafioso?
:no:
You dont understand.But if I think better that would be worse for us, the townies.
You are right, except in the mafioso part.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-14-2007, 22:55
No, we want the detective to reveal now I think. He can confirm himself and hopefully three others.
If he's alive, he has a 25% chance of dying tonight, and a 22% chance of finding a mafioso. Tomorrow, if he claims he'll get counterclaimed, and if we lynch the wrong one we lose.
Ah, you want to kill the detective next night too?
Why you just dont want to shut up?
Or you are a mafioso :inquisitive:?
He can be, maybe yes ,maybe not. Im not saying: He is a mafioso!only he became very active and wants to lynch lynch lynch.So, There are posibilities of being a mafioso.
You started to want to lynch me.Then you told me, sasaki is also supechous.So, care to elaborate(Andres new quote ~D) why you started to post more?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-14-2007, 23:24
NO LYNCH TODAY
Mathematically it is superior.
11 alive
If we lynch today:
8 alive tomorrow
If mislynch, 5 alive, 2 mafia, we can't win.
If correct lynch, 5 alive lynch or lose 20% chance.
If we don't lynch today:
9 alive tomorrow
If mislynch
6 alive next day
If mislynch again lose (but 2/6 is better than 2/8)
If correct lynch then
3 alive 1/3 chance of getting scum.
Basically it's: 1/9 + 1/6 = 27% chance
vs
1/11 + 1/8= 22% chance
And if we lynch one we get a 13.333 percent better chance in endgame.
And stig, it is better for the detective to claim, he can dramatically improve our odds of lynching the mafia.
Vote:No Lynch if it's allowed.
If it's not, no one vote for anyone. If you do we'll lynch you tomorrow for sure...
I don't post more. I posted like this in Mafia IV, in Midgard, etc etc.
You are the one that is overly active and suspect #1 ... you can vote, why didn't you vote yet? Are you afraid you make a stupid vote and give yourself fully away? Why didn't Sasaki vote yet? Surely he would normally vote
I suggested that in Midguard.It didnt work due to the good behiavour of some people.
Vote:no Lynch
Sasaki Kojiro
03-14-2007, 23:27
Why didn't Sasaki vote yet? Surely he would normally vote
Gosh how SUSPICIOUS of me, following a plan that greatly improves our odds of winning.
I don't post more. I posted like this in Mafia IV, in Midgard, etc etc.
You are the one that is overly active and suspect #1 ... you can vote, why didn't you vote yet? Are you afraid you make a stupid vote and give yourself fully away? Why didn't Sasaki vote yet? Surely he would normally vote
Check again :beam:
I posted at the same time as Sasaki, so don't use that against me you mafia twins ~D You seem to awfully well cooperate together ... pity I got lynched
Hah!
The first and the last time we were mafia it was SliverCreek Montana, when we won a TMF.
I posted at the same time as Sasaki, so don't use that against me you mafia twins ~D You seem to awfully well cooperate together ... pity I got lynched
Numbers don't lie.:beam:
Numbers don't lie.:beam:
Yes, it was 1 minute later, but typing and clicking submit reply sometimes takes that long ... duh
Yes, it was 1 minute later, but typing and clicking submit reply sometimes takes that long ... duh
I wasn't talking about that.....duh:guitarist:
I wasn't talking about that.....duh:guitarist:
Then?
Then?
NO LYNCH TODAY
Mathematically it is superior.
11 alive
If we lynch today:
8 alive tomorrow
If mislynch, 5 alive, 2 mafia, we can't win.
If correct lynch, 5 alive lynch or lose 20% chance.
If we don't lynch today:
9 alive tomorrow
If mislynch
6 alive next day
If mislynch again lose (but 2/6 is better than 2/8)
If correct lynch then
3 alive 1/3 chance of getting scum.
Basically it's: 1/9 + 1/6 = 27% chance
vs
1/11 + 1/8= 22% chance
And if we lynch one we get a 13.333 percent better chance in endgame.
And stig, it is better for the detective to claim, he can dramatically improve our odds of lynching the mafia.
Vote:No Lynch if it's allowed.
If it's not, no one vote for anyone. If you do we'll lynch you tomorrow for sure...
I posted at the same time as Sasaki, so don't use that against me you mafia twins You seem to awfully well cooperate together ... pity I got lynched
It's obvious why they voted the same.
Yes, but if you go into discussion and lynch a mafia this day, your odds are even better aren't they?
Sasaki is avoiding discussion by simply stating there should be no lynch
But I will leave you guys to it, seems like only the mafia has interest in even participating in this game
I agreed with Sasaki.
Doing that should help us, the townies to have time
Sasaki Kojiro
03-15-2007, 00:37
Yes, but if you go into discussion and lynch a mafia this day, your odds are even better aren't they?
Sasaki is avoiding discussion by simply stating there should be no lynch
No man. We have just as many lynches and just as much discussion with no lynch today. And better odds.
But I will leave you guys to it, seems like only the mafia has interest in even participating in this game
Is this a confession? :bounce:
Well with only 2 people who are alive actually talking this game will surely be a loss. Won't be any big accomplishment for the mafia if they win in this one.
11 people left. 2 mislynches and we lose.
I suppose I should start taking this seriously.
Its hard to take seriousily when the host does not communicate why he WoG an active player. Again if he does not want to have a consistent set of rules he can WoG me. Just as I stated earlier.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-15-2007, 02:41
nooo that would be very bad for the town.
nooo that would be very bad for the town.
It might be very bad for the town, but I asked a question earlier in the thread about the reason for WoG of an active player that he informed could not vote in that round. I detest unfair play by anyone especially the host of a game. So if he refuses to explain the reasoning behind that, well I refuse to play in the game any longer. Hince the Abstain and the complete lack of discussion in this game. I have absolutely no enjoyment in attempting to figure out who the bad guys are in this game. So the host will have to provide an explanation or WoG me. Either is acceptable.
If it was a part of the game - it should of been better explained in the rules and in the beginning.
:soapbox:
"We shall vote them on the beaches...."
Too bad I'm dead. :end:
We just cannot risk the possibility of getting this lynch wrong, it could kill the town. Plus, Sasaki has been right in the past, and he is most likely correct now, a "no lynch" will be profitable.
Vote: No Lynch
GeneralHankerchief
03-15-2007, 04:16
Personally, I think that Sasaki has really been off of late in his accusations (Mafia VI, anyone? - he votes for the Detective in the first round, later on suspects the two people about to be killed) so I wouldn't trust him blindly until he's proven that he's got his mojo back.
To those that doubt me, my innocence has been proven with my death.
Although he is correct in suggesting No-Lynch, I encourage that the town uses this extra round to do a thorough analysis of the possible suspects.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-15-2007, 04:22
That's a bad idea...we don't want to tell the mafia who to leave alive.
If I put the same effort into it my judgement should be as good as any game...orb was a random vote for lurker and I didn't read mafia VI much.
I reread this game and have my suspects. I won't state them for previously mentioned reasoning. My lack of effort in starting discussion will come back to hurt us though. 15 pages...
ShadeHonestus
03-15-2007, 05:05
Everyone remaining who's name starts with an "S" is still suspect imo...
pevergreen
03-15-2007, 05:14
Everyone remaining who's name starts with an "S" is still suspect imo...
Why?
scotchedpommes
03-15-2007, 05:19
:rolleyes:
ShadeHonestus
03-15-2007, 05:36
Well to me, and not knowing people's inclinations or personalities, I think Sapi has been continuously somebody of my interest from his overplay of disdain for cultists in bastards and other posts, this may just be him. I personally don't know hence my lack of comment. My posting now is largely due to this and my other game being dead in the water...no pun on my 'blood' death intended.
:dizzy2:
Good to know the peanut gallery is heard from.
When was Sapi's last post...3 pages ago? or so...
:rolleyes:
No comment? Not very :help:ful
scotchedpommes
03-15-2007, 06:26
No less than the ideas being bandied about by the dead in the previous posts. I
think we may be finished here, and until there is some input from the host I am
not keen on following the leader.
No less than the ideas being bandied about by the dead in the previous posts. I
think we may be finished here, and until there is some input from the host I am
not keen on following the leader.
Yeah, we still need an answer as to why Andres was WoGed.
Yup, this thread absolutely makes no sense anymore
Vote: No Lynch - we need more time
But if we don't get an answer from the host about his previous actions, I'm out.
@ShadeHonestus - I have to blame rl - sorry :grin2:
ShadeHonestus
03-15-2007, 08:47
@ShadeHonestus - I have to blame rl - sorry :grin2:
np, good to hear from you though.
I really don't know what to say about this game - I can't see any clear suspects yet...
...This page has all but led me to conclusions....all but....:inquisitive:
Well if we lynch this round like Sasaki said we have automatically lost unless we some how manage to nag a mafia. The chances of this being 2/11 with a 1/11 chance we kill the detective if he is still alive and a 8/11 chance of lynching a townie.
Therfore ;
Vote: No Lynch
UW?Where the **** are you?
UW?Where the **** are you?
patience, my friend
pevergreen
03-16-2007, 00:12
Vote: No Lynch
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-16-2007, 08:33
Unvote; Vote: No Lynch
Warluster
03-16-2007, 09:14
Is it day or night ? And what night is up to?
pevergreen
03-16-2007, 11:51
read the thread....
It is day. Ultra seems to be away a bit though.
read the thread....
It is day. Ultra seems to be away a bit though.
yes, we could use his imput....
I bellieve this game is going to the dogs... UW dosnt seem to be paying attension...:juggle2:
pevergreen
03-17-2007, 10:47
and the other large mafia game is missing a mod as well..
We may have to go to the Back-Up Mod system.
and the other large mafia game is missing a mod as well..
We may have to go to the Back-Up Mod system.
That's impossible unless UW PM's who the mafia and detective are too someone.
He may be having problems give him time I say, yet if no report is issued by tomorrow morning i believe we should proclaim this game dead.
Warluster
03-18-2007, 01:11
Well wherever UW is, he ain't online, he hasn't been posting anywhere else either...
CountArach
03-18-2007, 04:22
I saw him posting in one of the other Gamesroom threads.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2007, 04:39
mod has been prodded
pevergreen
03-18-2007, 04:40
:laugh4:
I find that so funny, sorry.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2007, 20:10
Looks like it's over.
rdece was my main suspect, but I was going to wait till tomorrow to see if he got killed. sapi was another suspect. Not that there was much to go on, it was all going to come down to the last couple days discussion.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2007, 20:18
Forgot:
The game will have to be ended due to the fact that real life constantly interferes with my time to post any kills.
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2007, 20:27
Bah.
Any idea who it was?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-18-2007, 20:31
meh, three rounds isn't really enough to figure it out. Most games the mafia don't get discovered until the last couple.
Ultrawar didn't say.
scotchedpommes
03-18-2007, 21:31
Looks like it's over.
rdece was my main suspect, but I was going to wait till tomorrow to see if he got killed. sapi was another suspect. Not that there was much to go on, it was all going to come down to the last couple days discussion.
Innocent self, as always. Would be interested to know who the detective was,
if nothing else.
Innocent as hell
tho I believe that's not the right way of putting it
Warluster
03-18-2007, 22:58
I was Innocent
pevergreen
03-19-2007, 00:14
Agggh! It was I!
:no: Not really. Had no suspicion of Ichigo.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-19-2007, 00:20
Especially since he got killed :p
Agggh! It was I!
:no: Not really. Had no suspicion of Ichigo.
Well I was dead, plus I wasn't a cultist.
pevergreen
03-19-2007, 00:22
Pssh I always think of Ichigo as alive.
I seem to have misplaced my PM from UW. I was a murderer of some sort I could kill after one of the cultist had been lynched sadly I died before that happened.
I probably should have tried to remember this game....
ShadeHonestus
03-19-2007, 02:27
genuine halo here...albiet in a watery grave of shark poo...
The cultists are Sir Boo and sapi. Please cooperate with each other and work as a team to get the job done.
So sasaki's constant vendetta against me almost paid off :laugh4:
ShadeHonestus
03-19-2007, 17:49
ah ha! knew it...
Yup who was mr detective though?
Now I understand why the first kill was missing,
well, and I was going to vote:Redleg
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