Hellenes Hoplites

[Spoofa]

1 question.


What are the Advantages/Disadvantages of using defensive mode with the classic greek hoplites. thx.:dizzy2:

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

They are keeping formation and not running after fleeing enemies unless you give the order to do so.

[NeoSpartan]

Their unit mass is VERY high and cannot be broken by a cavarly charge. They are also VERY tough to push back.

In Hard battle difficulty they were able to stand up to a Carthagenian general's charge, and not give an INCH of ground. In constrast while in Medium difficulty my Gaellic Heavy Spearmen (forgot the name) kept being pushed back by a Gaellic general.

So yeah.... Hoplites are some tough MFers.

As a side note:
-I see that spear units preform a LOT better when in "HOLD" when fighting. After the enemy is weak enough, or enveloped I take the spearmen OFF HOLD.
-However, the same doesn't apply for sword units, they tend to take more casualties this way especially from spearmen.

[Fondor_Yards]

Their unit mass is VERY high and cannot be broken by a cavarly charge. They are also VERY tough to push back.

In Hard battle difficulty they were able to stand up to a Carthagenian general's charge, and not give an INCH of ground. In constrast while in Medium difficulty my Gaellic Heavy Spearmen (forgot the name) kept being pushed back by a Gaellic general.

lol well on Hard they have plus 3 attack and defense, that certainly helped.

[Spoofa]

thanks for the info guy's! With the discovery of the effectiveness of these classic hoplites, i have begun to love the konion hellenes faction with a passion! Now i have only one small, half stack army to defend my 5 or 6 provinces on the greek mainlands from rich epirus and macedonia, but they are an extremely experience army of classic hoplites and support infantry, this is by FAR the best
campaign ive ever played.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

P.S anymore information on effective use of these hoplites is well appreciated if anyone else wishes to contribute. Thanks!

[Rilder]

Yea those hoplites are fun, just like having an army based around Triarii,

[NeoSpartan]

lol well on Hard they have plus 3 attack and defense, that certainly helped.

nononono.... I had the Hoplites the AI had the Carthagenian General. So the Carthagenian general go +3 attack, I didn't....

[Spoofa]

Yea those hoplites are fun, just like having an army based around Triarii,
lol well what would you propose i use then? i didnt know they were considered cheap =/

[paullus]

A Greek army at the time could be in a couple of set-ups:

Some armies were heavy on peltastai/thureophoroi, with contingents of levies and hoplites and a scattering of light troops.

Some armies were very heavy on hoplites, supported by light troops, much like your army seems to be.

Quite a few armies made heavy use of mercenaries and conglomerations of allied states, which would mean you're using a mix of phalanxes, hoplites, thureophoroi, and peltastai, along with levies of lights and lesser hoplites.

Point is, there is no Hellene "legion" to talk about, so you can put together whatever the heck sorta army you want. You can modernize with the thureophoroi and peltastai, you can kick it old school with a smaller, heavier hoplite army, or whatever. I'd suggest, for a bit of fun, aligning FM's with certain types of armies, and have them sorta roleplay their military preferences both in the armies they train/lead, and in the way they behave on the battlefield.

[Spoofa]

A Greek army at the time could be in a couple of set-ups:

Some armies were heavy on peltastai/thureophoroi, with contingents of levies and hoplites and a scattering of light troops.

Some armies were very heavy on hoplites, supported by light troops, much like your army seems to be.

Quite a few armies made heavy use of mercenaries and conglomerations of allied states, which would mean you're using a mix of phalanxes, hoplites, thureophoroi, and peltastai, along with levies of lights and lesser hoplites.

Point is, there is no Hellene "legion" to talk about, so you can put together whatever the heck sorta army you want. You can modernize with the thureophoroi and peltastai, you can kick it old school with a smaller, heavier hoplite army, or whatever. I'd suggest, for a bit of fun, aligning FM's with certain types of armies, and have them sorta roleplay their military preferences both in the armies they train/lead, and in the way they behave on the battlefield.

sounds like a plan :yes: my army isnt totally classical hoplites though, i have some thureokai (spelling) and some thuerophoroi in there as well, with some cretans to counter slingers and other skirmishers, i dont have much cavalry though because, frankly i dont make enough money per turn to support their high cost :laugh4:

[Rilder]

lol well what would you propose i use then? i didnt know they were considered cheap =/


They aren't I just noted that they behaved and acted just like triarii so its like having an army full of triarrii, Though I doubt that they can stand up to the triarii. :book:

My Royal Koinon army in my well Koinon Hellenon campaign is based around hoplites about 6 Hoplitai (classicle) 2 Thurokai(sp?) 2 Thuroplai(sp?:P) 2 Light Calvary, 2 Peltasi, 3 Cretians, and 2 Spartians.
Dunno how well it will stand up to the Selukids though.

[antisocialmunky]

For my game, I'm using hoplite armies comboed with Greek phalanx. I'm planning on a future play where I base my armies around Thorakites and play it like a Roman army because Thorakites are like Romans +1.