Lover of Beauty madness

[Dumbass]

Ok, the lover of beauty trait is just illogical and buggered. I have a general who is stoic, spartan, you'd think I would be immune to lover of beauty would'nt you? Wrong, in one turn he becomes a conniosseur. So not only is he extremely restrained but he loves the finer things in life!? The lover of beauty trait needs anti traits, it's just rediculous that every person gets it, whether he's blood thirsty or restrained.

This trait is in dire need of fixing, it's just too common and it ruin generals (command stars are hard enough to get, but it's just stupid how easy they are to lose) and it's just illogical! Please fix it EB, or could someone please tell me how to delete from the game.

[Dooz]

As long as the -1 command star is taken out from the trait, I'm fine with it. It does seem sometimes like too many generals get it, but it's not that bad if it doesn't kill the hard earned star.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Ok, the lover of beauty trait is just illogical and buggered. I have a general who is stoic, spartan, you'd think I would be immune to lover of beauty would'nt you? Wrong, in one turn he becomes a conniosseur. So not only is he extremely restrained but he loves the finer things in life!? The lover of beauty trait needs anti traits, it's just rediculous that every person gets it, whether he's blood thirsty or restrained.

This trait is in dire need of fixing, it's just too common and it ruin generals (command stars are hard enough to get, but it's just stupid how easy they are to lose) and it's just illogical! Please fix it EB, or could someone please tell me how to delete from the game.

I believe there's no 'quick fixing' that one, for one thing it affects other traits: being corrupt etc. You could open the trait text file - I believe it's called export_descr_character_traits.txt - and do a search for "Lover", or "Beauty". When you've found the correct trait, you can modify it to whatever you want, but be sure that such things may cause bugs to occur. And therefore, you shouldn't be reporting any issues you experience later on.

[Tiberius Nero]

"Lover of Beauty" is a silly trait in how it works, period. Caesar and Lucullus could both be called "lovers of beauty" it didn't impede their military abilities. Nero wasn't a non-military emperor because he was a "lover of beauty" it was because he had had no military experience at all.

[Dumbass]

"Lover of Beauty" is a silly trait in how it works, period. Caesar and Lucullus could both be called "lovers of beauty" it didn't impede their military abilities. Nero wasn't a non-military emperor because he was a "lover of beauty" it was because he had had no military experience at all.

I've been thinking the same thing. Why would enjoying finer things in life make you less adept in the military field?

[Dayve]

I agree. My best general right now, in real life, would be a vulgar, aggressive, war loving badass...

But he loves pretty things like pink vases and stuff, so that gives him -1 command?

[Dumbass]

Ok I open up the trait file, deleted the part of lover of beauty that affects command for all the entries, hope this works. Incase it fails, I've got a back up.

[Rilder]

"Awe look at the pwetty flower" *goes down to pick the flower* "Hey Marcus isn't this a pretty flower"
"General..."
"What Marcus, don't you like the pretty flower?"
"Sir... were being slaughtered by some measly militia shouldn't you do something like command"
"MARCUS I ORDER YOU TO LIKE THE PRETTY FLOWER, NOW LIKE THE PRETTY FLOWER OR I'L DEMOTE YOUR BEHIND TO THE LEVES"
"Yes sir, I like the pretty flower"

[blacksnail]

Rather than removing the trait entirely, perhaps the trait needs a different description to better explain its effects. I'll bring it up backstage.

[Dumbass]

"Awe look at the pwetty flower" *goes down to pick the flower* "Hey Marcus isn't this a pretty flower"
"General..."
"What Marcus, don't you like the pretty flower?"
"Sir... were being slaughtered by some measly militia shouldn't you do something like command"
"MARCUS I ORDER YOU TO LIKE THE PRETTY FLOWER, NOW LIKE THE PRETTY FLOWER OR I'L DEMOTE YOUR BEHIND TO THE LEVES"
"Yes sir, I like the pretty flower"

LOL

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Lol!

[Danest]

I think it's that the soldiers respect cussing, "manly" men like themselves, and are a little more suspicious of flower-collecting effeminants. Caesar, if he was a lover of beauty, didn't reveal it on duty I suspect. These lovers of beauty are probably collectors that flaunt it even in their fort tent/camp.

[Dumbass]

I think it's that the soldiers respect cussing, "manly" men like themselves, and are a little more suspicious of flower-collecting effeminants. Caesar, if he was a lover of beauty, didn't reveal it on duty I suspect. These lovers of beauty are probably collectors that flaunt it even in their fort tent/camp.

Even if that is the case, then why do I still get the trait if the general lives like a spartan and is stoic? Why do my generals get it when they are bloody and bloodythirsty warmongerers who exterminate settlements? Why is it so damn common? A trait like lover of beauty should be restricted for the city dwellers and wealthy girly men, not "Arazbah the child eater" or "Theomanes the Stoic".

[Tiberius Nero]

I think it's that the soldiers respect cussing, "manly" men like themselves, and are a little more suspicious of flower-collecting effeminants. Caesar, if he was a lover of beauty, didn't reveal it on duty I suspect. These lovers of beauty are probably collectors that flaunt it even in their fort tent/camp.

Caesar's soldiers referred to him as the "Bald Adulterer", it was said about him that he was "every woman's man and every man's woman", he was writing works on Grammar while campaigning, and he wrote a tragedy "Oedipus" and a poem about his campaigning during the Gallic war iirc (all of these are lost). You would have thought that all this was detrimental to the morale of the men?

"Lover of Beauty" is simply the wrong name for the trait and contains the wrong description; I think that what the traiter had in mind was something along the lines of "Absolute Sissy Who Can't Tell a Sword from a Hamburger". Well if the trait was called that, it would be ok in its effects, but I don't see how liking good art detracts from a general's worth, there is no historical example of that at all or of generals missing the battle while picking flowers.

P.S. Collecting and flaunting works of art gained by the sword has hardly anything to do with the men's morale either.

[Danest]

Ok, ok, I agree, I can't defend the trait. ;) It does, I think, mean "effeminant sissy", so the title is not severe enough to match its reality.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I agree with most of what has been said by you guys. However I suggest that perhaps it should offer a small management penalty rather than a command one. After all, a great general who wants fine art and lavish beautify has to find some way of financing his passion!

[Domitius Ulpianus]

I agree with most of what has been said by you guys. However I suggest that perhaps it should offer a small management penalty rather than a command one. After all, a great general who wants fine art and lavish beautify has to find some way of financing his passion!

Agreed!!

[Avicenna]

It doesn't make you any worse in administration.

The penalty we want here is in TAX.

[Kugutsu]

Is there any way of getting traits to disappear?

My favorite general - He has single handedly destroyed the Arverni, and massacred every Aedui city but 2 in the space of about 5 years (I just stormed the second from last one, but it CTD'd:furious3: ) has a string of nice traits like 'Destroyer', 'Conqueror', 'Butcher', 'Famous Hero', etc, etc, but now he has become a 'Connosseiur'.

Since he has been on campaign pretty much continuously, bar the winters when he sits in the ruins of the latest town he has ravaged, I think this is ridiculous.

About the only thing he should be able to appreciate the finer points of is rape, pillage and impaling babies on spears. His particular favorite involves gaesatae and large rocks...

...no, not :smash: He has merely found that if you drop large rocks on gaesate from a ballista, they become so scared that even they break when you charge them with cavalry...

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[skuzzy]

There are a good deal of conflicting traits that can creep up on your character :\