The Amout of papal Favour for a crusde

[Eng]

How much little crosses do u need to ask the pope to luch a crusade????

[Omisan]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think you need at least 8/10.

[Whacker]

To be honest I don't know.

The REAL answer to your question Eng is that it shouldn't matter. As a catholic faction, you should always always always make at least one diplomat and park him outside of Rome, and every turn use him to gift the Pope-o-matic and bring your faction up to 10/10 crosses. The simple formula that I use to gauge how much is needed is to take how many crosses you are, subtract that from 10, and multiply by 100. 7/10 crosses would mean I need 10-7= 3, 3 * 100 = 300 florins *should* take me up to full relations. This isn't foolproof and doesn't always work, but it's been ok for me so far. If in doubt or you have very bad relations just give him 1000 florins. By doing this and ensuring you always end each turn with perfect or near perfect relations with the Pope, you can do just about anything with impunity, including call crusades and wage war with other catholics. Personally I park two diplomats outside of Rome to ensure that I always maintain good standing.

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[FactionHeir]

Usually steps of 500 or 1000 take you up 1 step on the happiness scale.
Its actually funny how sometimes 500 does the same job as 1000 instead of half the job.

To get a successful crusade call, you need 8 crosses. In some rare cases I needed 9, but that was after it was constantly on 10 for a long while.

[gardibolt]

Also, the Pope likes promises of tribute. A promise to pay 200 fl every turn for 10 turns seems to count as if you were paying 2000 fl each and every turn. It gets me to perfect on the Pope-o-meter every time and keeps me there unless I do something particularly vile.:juggle2:

[Xehh II]

Why do you guys keep giving the Pope money, he always likes me when I play. Not once have I ever been lower than 6 crosses as a catholic faction and even then it still says I can get a crusade.

[FactionHeir]

Try playing under a VH campaign difficulty Xehh and post again ;)

[HoreTore]

Well, it depends on where you want to crusade. If you want to crusade against the real crusade targets, jerusalem and antioch, then you'll need 6 or 7 crosses. If you want to crusade against a different target, then you'll need a couple more crosses. You'll need 10 crosses to target excommunicated catholics.

[Omisan]

Well, it depends on where you want to crusade. If you want to crusade against the real crusade targets, jerusalem and antioch, then you'll need 6 or 7 crosses. If you want to crusade against a different target, then you'll need a couple more crosses. You'll need 10 crosses to target excommunicated catholics.

I'm pretty sure I launched crusades against excommunicated Catholics with less than 10.

[Whacker]

I'm pretty sure I launched crusades against excommunicated Catholics with less than 10.

I can also validate this, I launched a crusade against excommunicate Spain with 8 crosses on my Pope-o-matic chart.

[stealingjoy]

Also the city itself can matter (not just the faction). I had 7 crosses and Spain was excommunicated and I wanted to attack ... hrm, forget which one, Leon? but anyway it wouldn't let me (it was a city, not a castle). Then I chose a castle and the Pope okay'd it.

[Whacker]

Also the city itself can matter (not just the faction). I had 7 crosses and Spain was excommunicated and I wanted to attack ... hrm, forget which one, Leon? but anyway it wouldn't let me (it was a city, not a castle). Then I chose a castle and the Pope okay'd it.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! That's a really good observation there stealingjoy! I wonder if that's part of the missing puzzle as to what the pope will let you crusade against?? Can you and anyone else verify that the only targets on the potential crusade list when calling one are military targets, aka castles and not cities?

[stealingjoy]

Well, they were both options (sorry for the confusion). He vetoed the Leon crusade but okay'd the Cordoba one. So while they can both be targets, perhaps the military value is important as well.

Also, Leon was heavily under-garrisonned (which is why I wanted to make it the target, hehe) while Cordoba had about 10 or 11 troops.

[dismal]

Try playing under a VH campaign difficulty Xehh and post again ;)

I play VH, do not bribe, and never have problems with the pope. Heck, usually I am the pope.

[Whacker]

I play VH, do not bribe, and never have problems with the pope. Heck, usually I am the pope.

Then to be honest it sounds like something's wrong or we aren't getting the whole picture. As I understand it, the game is programmed automatically to reduce all faction's standings with you, the player, at periodic intervals on VH. Thus you *must* be doing something that's making the pope like you more directly to maintain good relationships Crusading every so often doesn't do enough to improve this. Are you somehow allied with the papacy and supporting them directly in warfare possibly? Have you modded your game at all, or playing a mod?

[dismal]

Then to be honest it sounds like something's wrong or we aren't getting the whole picture. As I understand it, the game is programmed automatically to reduce all faction's standings with you, the player, at periodic intervals on VH. Thus you *must* be doing something that's making the pope like you more directly to maintain good relationships Crusading every so often doesn't do enough to improve this. Are you somehow allied with the papacy and supporting them directly in warfare possibly? Have you modded your game at all, or playing a mod?

Mo mods.

No, I do join crusades but this is fairly minor. I don't attack after a warning. I build some cathedrals, but only after money is flowing.

I make plenty of priests and set them loose in heathen lands, so I tend to control the college of cardinals after a while. Once you have 2 or 3 cardinals you can usually decide the election.

I pretty much get a 10 rating everytime a pope dies, and it seldom gets below 7 or 8.

[TevashSzat]

dismal, most people on vh just blitz the game out instead of waiting for someone to attack you so that is probably why you have a high pope rating.

Whaker, just to let you know you start off being able to call a crusade on antioch, jerusalem, riga, baghdad, cordoba, and some other sites all of which are cities

[HoreTore]

I'm pretty sure I launched crusades against excommunicated Catholics with less than 10.

Hmm, I've always had to bribe him to "perfect"... What difficulty are you playing on?

[Eng]

I got it I think i had 5 crosses.
but i am the only faction to join the crusade so my second question is how much time does a crusade stay for and does it matter if u are fighting all the rest of the catholic guilds????? (I almost killed them all)

[dismal]

dismal, most people on vh just blitz the game out instead of waiting for someone to attack you so that is probably why you have a high pope rating.

It seems I am sort of a half-blitzer. I average a city every 2 turns or so. I don't bother much with diplomacy and find there's no shortage of enemies in the typical VH/VH game. In both of my last two campaigns the AI has attacked me on turn 5 and it's been war the rest of the way.

I do fight prolonged wars against other catholic factions, but when possible I try to spread into the muslim lands because it makes for a better game.

But, all in all, I don't find it necessary to spend too much time worrying about the pope. The big effect he has on my games is forcing me to slow down with his warnings, but even that effect can be lessened by bringing siege equipment and crushing multiple cities in one turn.