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Lorenzo_H
03-17-2007, 20:03
I have an army of Crusaders, and to get to the Target I need to send it through either the Holy Roman Empire or Milan, both of whom want to boil my brains alive. I noticed that I could not attack the Milanese because they are Catholic, is this favour returned?
Unorthodox
03-17-2007, 20:07
They can't attack you unless they've been excommunicated, AFAIK.
Lorenzo_H
03-17-2007, 20:16
I am greatly relieved!
gardibolt
03-17-2007, 21:06
Yes, this is very handy when a faction is at war with you and has ships in the way of your crusading sea route. You just sail past and wave!:laugh4:
TevashSzat
03-17-2007, 21:11
I do believe that you could attack Catholic factions even if you are on a crusade to a non catholic target
HoreTore
03-17-2007, 22:58
Catholic armies can attack a crusade stack, but doing so means excommunication AND completely screws relations with other catholic factions. So the AI ignore the crusade 99% of the time.

The only time I've seen the AI attack a crusade, was a danish crusade of 1 general marching through HRE lands....
vonsch
03-17-2007, 23:00
Catholic armies can attack a crusade stack, but doing so means excommunication AND completely screws relations with other catholic factions. So the AI ignore the crusade 99% of the time.

The only time I've seen the AI attack a crusade, was a danish crusade of 1 general marching through HRE lands....

Heh, ANY faction attacking a crusade stack ends up with abysmal relations with all catholics. Found that out playing Egypt. I was in good shape with all of them until I took out a stack trying to take Jerusalem from me. Not just the ones crusading, but all of them decided they hated me, even though they were amiable seconds before.

Oh well, guess that honeymoon was over.

Wonder... does this happen with attacks on jihads too?
HoreTore
03-18-2007, 01:19
No idea, by the time I kill off jihad armies, they're all mad at me after crusading...
sapi
03-18-2007, 01:38
@vonsch - I'm not so sure about the Jihad ones.

Since they (should) be launched defensively, your relations are likely to be low enough as it is :grin2:, but I'm not sure if the game treats an attack on a Jihad as an attack on all Muslim factions like it seems to do with crusades...
Hochmeister
03-18-2007, 22:06
Catholic armies can attack a crusade stack, but doing so means excommunication AND completely screws relations with other catholic factions. So the AI ignore the crusade 99% of the time.

The only time I've seen the AI attack a crusade, was a danish crusade of 1 general marching through HRE lands....

Be careful if you are at war with a catholic faction and they have a crusade taking a shortcut through your lands.

I was HRE and at war with Venice. I was one turn away from the crusade target when a single mauled unit of militia I had sent back for retraining attacked a Venetian crusade:furious3: What I didnt realise was at the end of its move my single unit had gone into ambush mode and when the Venetians came past it attacked them:oops:

Not only did my relations go to abysmal with everyone but my entire crusade army deserted leaving my best general on his own in the middle of the holy land with his pants down :wall:
Lorenzo_H
03-18-2007, 22:29
lol a comedy of errors!
sapi
03-19-2007, 10:22
I believe that if you had chosen to 'withdraw' from that ambush battle it would not have counted as an attack :grin2:
Hochmeister
03-19-2007, 12:23
I believe that if you had chosen to 'withdraw' from that ambush battle it would not have counted as an attack :grin2:

Im pretty sure I didnt get the option as I initiated the ambush. I would certainly have withdrawn if I could as it was about 15 men vs 1000
sapi
03-19-2007, 12:28
Yeh - I haven't been in that situation myself lately, but I could have sworn that someone mentioned that withdraw in that case acts like an 'ignore them' button and didn't initiate the battle nor count as a loss...
jepva
03-20-2007, 20:29
I have an army of Crusaders, and to get to the Target I need to send it through either the Holy Roman Empire or Milan, both of whom want to boil my brains alive. I noticed that I could not attack the Milanese because they are Catholic, is this favour returned?


My problem is that I'VE had one of my cities attacked by a Danish Crusader Army while playing as Poland!!! Go figure. Also, I've seen several British Crusader armies hanging around a French town - not moving for many turns - and NOT suffering a loss of troops for not progressing to the target of the Crusade!! I sense some inconsistencies within the AI.
sapi
03-21-2007, 12:33
iirc, the AI doesn't suffer desertion penalties
Rozanov
03-21-2007, 16:40
AI catholic factions don't have to attack crusading armies to cause problems - they can simply block the route of your crusading army - which if it detours may then suffer desertions.

Oh and don't you just love it when you go to land a crusading army outside Antioch and you can't because there's a merchant and an iman standing in the way.