View Full Version : what's happened to this germanic unit??
i hadn't tryied the Germanic Tribes since 0.74. I reputed the Germanic Skins among the best of the mod, and of the RTW mod panorama. They were all very "stylish" and it seemed they come all from the same "hand", so they looked very "uniformed".
but now noticed that the Gaizaharjoz seem to have completely lost its EB charm:
https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/7098/immagine1eb6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
The first one give a sense of "pouissance", and in general it is nice to look at it.
it looks very professional
the colors are light, they dont disturb the eye.
And most important it looks perfectly armonized with the other great germanic skins like Cherusci Warband and Frameharjoz.
The second is Tiny.
It looks amateurish
The colors are too much "vivid"
And it looks like of a different "hand" in comparison with others germanic skins, like again Cherusci warband, Skandaxxxx., Frameharjoz...
I can understand this changes for the Germanic Standard Bearer, who is a completely new unit, so i can understand it was done by a differen skinner and it looks "different" and not completely armonized with the germanic roster, but why you have changed an unit that was so perfectly armonized with others like this Gaizaharjoz, and give it this new, i dare to define it fancy", appearence?
PS i noticed the some change even in the Frameharjoz, but they are less noticeables.
PPS sorry if this could sound like a no very nice critic, but i really think that the new Gaizaharjoz skins is a downgrade in comparison with the 0.74 version.
Is this temporary? and why to change somethink that was already good?
A very fond Obelics
All the germans were redone, the old ones had many things wrong with them from an historic point of view. Personally I really like the new ones, particularly the low-level troops who are certainly more unique. AFAIK a very small team worked on the new german list, two modellers and a skinner.
Foot
There seems to be something wrong with the bottom left picture, like the skin is not applied properly. As can be seen, the bottom left picture does not correspond with its ingame 3d model. Also, it has blue hair and beard.
All the germans were redone, the old ones had many things wrong with them from an historic point of view. Personally I really like the new ones, particularly the low-level troops who are certainly more unique. AFAIK a very small team worked on the new german list, two modellers and a skinner.
Foot
hopefully the Cherusci Warband seems to have not been touched... I reputed it the best among the three units of 0.74 (Frameharjoz, Gaizaharjoz and Cherusci)
They were all very "stylish" in 0.74, they were all three, nice to look at, even in pause mode. A little piece of art.
if there is a need to modify them for historical reasons, is the original skinner of this units gone? if so what a pity...
Bartix Elite Guard
03-18-2007, 15:52
The bottom one looks better to me. Just saying.
PSYCHO V
03-18-2007, 16:15
what's happened to this germanic unit??
yer...I prefer the previous version. :pirate2: .. but I'm a bias rebel.
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/Gizhrjz.jpg
It looks amateurish
The colors are too much "vivid"
And it looks like of a different "hand" in comparison with others germanic skins, like again Cherusci warband, Skandaxxxx., Frameharjoz...
I can understand this changes for the Germanic Standard Bearer, who is a completely new unit, so i can understand it was done by a differen skinner and it looks "different" and not completely armonized with the germanic roster, but why you have changed an unit that was so perfectly armonized with others like this Gaizaharjoz, and give it this new, i dare to define it fancy", appearence?
PS i noticed the some change even in the Frameharjoz, but they are less noticeables.
The German units in EB look "completely armonized" because they were done by the same hand. I (at the behest and under the direction of Tank - Sweboz co-ordinator) was able to go through almost the entire unit roster and change / touch up the models and skins. Circumstances forced my departure from EB before the task was completed but for some unknown reason, rather than trying to finish what was needed, the new guys feel the need to redo what is already there.
Same thing with some of the Celtic units eg. Arverni lesser gen which had his face amended for some reason? (left)
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/CelticFamilyPic.jpg
Other germanic units that you guys never got to see ...
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SKANDZA_SWAIUT.jpg
Skandza Swaiut - Sweboz
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SKANDZA_SWAIUT_MERC.jpg
Skandza Swaiut - Merc
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SWAINOZ.jpg
Swainoz
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/Swinoz.jpg
Swainoz - Sweboz
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SwinozRebel.jpg
Swainoz - Merc
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SwinzRebel.jpg
Swainoz - Rebel
etc etc
my2bob
well, so my compliment for your work, and i think that old 0.74 triad (Cherushi, Gaizaharjoz, Frameharjoz) were the best achievements in this work. I will call it "genuine EB style".
Still a bit upset to see that gaizaharjoz have been completely redone... I repute it a down-grade.
PS regarding the arverni general' face, it doesn't hurt, at last to me (I like it), cause it seems to be in the same style of the other arverni units to me.
yer...I prefer the previous version. :pirate2: .. but I'm a bias rebel.
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/Gizhrjz.jpg
The German units in EB look "completely armonized" because they were done by the same hand. I (at the behest and under the direction of Tank - Sweboz co-ordinator) was able to go through almost the entire unit roster and change / touch up the models and skins. Circumstances forced my departure from EB before the task was completed but for some unknown reason, rather than trying to finish what was needed, the new guys feel the need to redo what is already there.
Same thing with some of the Celtic units eg. Arverni lesser gen which had his face amended for some reason? (left)
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/CelticFamilyPic.jpg
Other germanic units that you guys never got to see ...
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SKANDZA_SWAIUT.jpg
Skandza Swaiut - Sweboz
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SKANDZA_SWAIUT_MERC.jpg
Skandza Swaiut - Merc
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SWAINOZ.jpg
Swainoz
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/Swinoz.jpg
Swainoz - Sweboz
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SwinozRebel.jpg
Swainoz - Merc
https://usera.imagecave.com/PSYCHO/SwinzRebel.jpg
Swainoz - Rebel
etc etc
my2bob
What exactly is keeping these units from being in EB?
they are cool, actually.maybe the swainoz looks too much naked to inhabit the cold germanic land, but could be used.
PSYCHO V
03-19-2007, 00:24
Regarding the arverni general' face... it seems to be in the same style of the other arverni units to me.
If you look at the copy you guys have in game, it is different to the pic above (what was intended to be included)..and therefore different to the style of the rest of the Gauls, which were ‘all done by the same hand’. Not a big issue in isolation but when this happens regularly… (Email (callmepsycho@hotmail.com) me and I’ll send you the correct file)
Unfortunately there has been an inherent culture in EB whereby people think they can just change / remove content without any consideration / discussion for / with the creators of a given piece of work.
Still a bit upset to see that gaizaharjoz have been completely redone... I repute it a down-grade.
Yer, at least most of the units have remained… for now.
What exactly is keeping these units from being in EB?
Unfortunately, indifference and personal politics. Some of those units were intended to be included almost a year and half ago … now allegedly lost (eg the Skandza Swaiut model). Same deal for the Arverni and Aedui with many units / skins having waited for over 12 months..that will now never see the light of day. It saddens me that at the end of the day, it’s the players of EB that loose out.
my2bob
Unfortunately, indifference and personal politics. Some of those units were intended to be included almost a year and half ago … now allegedly lost (eg the Skandza Swaiut model). Same deal for the Arverni and Aedui with many units / skins having waited for over 12 months..that will now never see the light of day. It saddens me that at the end of the day, it’s the players of EB that loose out.
my2bob
Ok, so let's keep this out of politics and bobbing for public opinion then. If you still have those skins, I'll personally make sure they get in the next version of EB. How's that for a guarantee?
They were all very "stylish" in 0.74, they were all three, nice to look at, even in pause mode. A little piece of art.
if there is a need to modify them for historical reasons, is the original skinner of this units gone? if so what a pity...[/QUOTE]
webbird and alin should be mentioned as artists for the original and in my opinion better looking units of the Sweboz.
Also about historical faults: There were many discussions about this and someday one or two members decided to change all the germanic units, a sad thing in my opinion as the are different views about those units even by historians.
B.t.w. the name of the germanic clubmen is wrong. The team named it karlaz.
That means just one clubman, not many - karloz at the end of the unit name would be correct for the meaning of a number of men.
Kep up the wonderful work guys-
Greetings from an old team member.
The bottom one looks a bit too vivid and richly coloured compared to the very nice subdued and slightly grubby top one.
~:mecry: You know, this actually makes me really, really sad. I too had a thing for all those units, and the ones posted are beautiful. They had such a unique charm, absolutely drew me to the Sweboz strongly. It's weird I can be so emotionally affected by this...... but I am. If there's any way to get those units in game, even if not in an official capacity but at least a side-release, mini-mod, anything. I need them. Need.
Birka Viking
03-20-2007, 12:21
Well I also liked those old Sweboz units and it would be great to see them in the game again.:balloon2:
And I also saw in some other thread that some more gallic units should come later..This would spice up things realy nice....:2thumbsup:
Teleklos Archelaou
03-20-2007, 15:17
Yeah, stefan has been working his hiney off to pick up the celtic unit development in addition to the eastern unit development he has been doing, but he's a little swamped. Still the ones he has done recently for both are looking really awesome.
Still the ones he has done recently for both are looking really awesome.
Teleklos is playing it down, the entire team are excited about what stefan has been producing lately: his work has been crazy-good.
Foot
Dave, why exactly are you badmouthing us every chance you get? If you would, PM me, we'll talk about the celts and other unit issues, to put your mind at ease.
A brief comment on "why bad things happen to good mods":
EB is a HUGE undertaking with work ongoing in 50+ areas at any given time, and occasionally we have issues where completed work is lost or misplaced, or the responsible sub-project leaders have RL problems and disappear for a while, or an older file is used by mistake, or historians request a change that not everyone is aware of, or any of a hundred other things. Our internal control process catches many of these, but as can be seen from the example of the oasis, even something that's in the mod can somehow get omitted in a subsequent build. There's no "evil hand" at work here, just the inevitable problems resulting from trying to coordinate a project that's as large or larger than that handled by any commercial game company - but without the control inherent in having a paid workforce at our beck and call.
I'm the one who made the new skin for gáizaharjoz if anyone interested. I made it according to the instructions given.
Btw the wrong model was implemented at least on the UI, since the unit has a sword and a cloak, and the skin clearly is not the final either.
Btw2: It is unfortunete if people dislike my skins but honestly I'm doing thid for my own fun, not yours guys.
Domitius Ulpianus
03-21-2007, 14:36
I'm the one who made the new skin for gáizaharjoz if anyone interested. I made it according to the instructions given.
Btw the wrong model was implemented at least on the UI, since the unit has a sword and a cloak, and I clearly is not the final either.
Btw2: It is unfortunete if people dislike my skins but honestly I'm doing thid for my own fun, not yours guys.
Just a note: only some people "dislike em" I Love them! so congrats to you and your work annd keep having fun doing it, we appreciate it!!!!
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