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Stig man don't hold a grudge. I'm in the process of going through and getting everybody to talk but I just started an ultra fast paced game on mafia scum and will have to get back to this one in a bit.
How about "you are mafia"?
1h45m and no votes
Stig man don't hold a grudge. I'm in the process of going through and getting everybody to talk but I just started an ultra fast paced game on mafia scum and will have to get back to this one in a bit.
Interesting...Mafiascum
Sasaki Kojiro
03-29-2007, 00:59
Hey Roadkill, you have any thoughts? Could you name three suspects for me?
BlackAxe3001
03-29-2007, 01:01
I'll be in. And I am going to participate this time.
Right... this is his only post. Is this typical? I assume so. Probably not mafia, or a good sign that he is?
RoadKill - What's up... I voted you and no response? Seems suspicious too that you didn't answer my questions about voting for Sasaki. That and you usually are somewhat active too.
What about CF? We haven't heard jack out of him hardly.
Lets see, what else catches my eye as a bit "off".... nothing for the moment...
scotchedpommes
03-29-2007, 01:19
Ignoramus' disappearance would appear to be the norm of late.
How many rounds before Wrath of God is enacted?
Ignoramus' disappearance would appear to be the norm of late.
How many rounds before Wrath of God is enacted?
3 in a row.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-29-2007, 01:25
Ok I didn't get to everybody but they can wait.
Are you implying that it is doubtfull that you would be chosen?
The change of tactics and this statement, make me
Vote : OldSchool
But this may change in the course of the day.
I believe this is a slip up by andres here. He suggests that on day one Oldschool had chosen to go after lurkers rather than consider potential henchmen; ...
...
hmm no I reread and this is wrong. DOH wasn't referring to potential henchmen thing when talking about the shift in tactics. He was talking about focussing on the andres-motep thing. I retract my previous accusation.
I need to reread on Oldschool and GBB as well.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-29-2007, 01:49
Ok I think Oldschool is mafia, and possible GBB.
Vote:Oldschool
So. Andres votes Motep before game start. Then mafia kill motep. Maybe this was random maybe not. But blackaxe mentions it and the hunt goes around, perhaps this gets the mafia thinking. That night they again kill who Andres voted for (hughtower). Then we get this series of posts:
The more I look at the Andres-Motep connection, the more my wheel of WIFOM lands on the fact that he is more likely to use such an obvious frame as cover to get himself dismissed as a suspect than the mafia is to try to use such an obvious frame to get him lynched. Obviously, pure WIFOM at this point on my part.
I said I didn't understand the connection and he eventually says:
Truthfully, I don't know what to think of the Andres-Motep connection at this point or if there even is one. I was merely pointing out what my leanings are at the moment. Obviously not enough to cast a vote.
This belies his last post where he was speaking as if the connection was a given and pondering whether it implicated Andres. This alone is enough for my vote.
Next:
Of the things I wanted to discuss, I wouldn't have thought that Andres would be the most pertinent, but now that I look back through the thread, I see that he voted not only Motep for lurking, but also HughTower, and both died the next round. I think he is being used as a distraction and I think it is more beneficial for us to remove that distraction than to lynch people for talking.
vote: AndresTheCunning
The kills "just happen" to implicate Andres...not because Andres is mafia mind you, but because the mafia are framing him! How the hell did I miss this yesterday.
He assumes he's about to be lynched ~:confused:
If you're going to lynch me, I'll try to make my point one last time before I hang and then I'll shut-up about it.
It's weird. But I mention it because of GBB's next posts:
OldSchool definatley also has a valid point here. The connection between AndresTheCunning's votes and the deaths is all to continous to be a coincidence. Therefore
Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: AndresThecunning
Very interesting, which leads me to wonder if this next bit was a bit of distancing:
No one is even voting for you OldSchool
he seemed a bit jumpy to me Sasaki Kojiro.
maybe he is trying to hide somethin
Oldschool is the lynch for today.
Not funny (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Ichigo)
I can only guess who did this. :inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2007, 02:32
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nice one, Sasaki. :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
03-29-2007, 02:41
:bounce:
Sorry for the lack of attention
What about CF? We haven't heard jack out of him hardly.
I just Im lost here.
Vote:Abstain
:bounce:
How long does it take for these guys to let me log-in?
pevergreen
03-29-2007, 03:08
sorry guys, pretty dead after school overnight LAN party and exams.
I am on holidays now, so involvement will go up in a few days.
CountArach
03-29-2007, 03:10
Nice job Sasaki :bow:
OldSchool
03-29-2007, 04:46
Oldschool is the lynch for today.
Well, how about that. Round three and we are still discussing the Andres connection. It's almost like somebody warned us that would happen.
Andres voted against Motep before the killings.
The following things were almost inevitable:
1) Motep would be one of the first kills.
2) Somebody would notice the connection and vote Andres.
3) Somebody else would point out the bad logic of that.
4) Andres would most likely be safe from an early-round bandwagon because the evidence had been dismissed.
I tried to consider if Andres would do it on purpose in order to achieve those results or if it was a half-hearted attempt to frame him. I didn't come to enough of a conclusion to cast a vote, although I leaned towards him doing it on purpose.
When I read back through the thread, I noticed that Andres also voted HughTower. I knew as soon as he voted someone and they didn't die, that person would immediately fall under suspicion. Now, he could not only be used as a distraction, but could also be used to channel suspicion. I felt it was best for us to lynch him and I tried to convince you guys of that.
When I first mentioned Andres, it was in a post where I was trying to chime in on the things that had gone on in the round before. Andres was just one of those things, and not the most important in my opinion.
I find your collection of evidence somewhat selective, Sasaki. You are the one who latched onto my initial Andres comment. For someone looking for discussion, you didn't seem at all interested in any other topic with me. You are the one who kept spinning the merry-go-round and inspired me to dig deeper into it.
Clearly I came to my conclusion as the conversation went along, but you have presented it here as if I had some kind of master plan all along. I explained why I thought I was about to be lynched, but somehow that hasn't been included in your accusation, either.
Out of everybody, you are the one most responsible for returning the subject back to Andres. With BlackAxe in the first round. With me in the second round. And now yet again.
That is all the Andres merry-go-round I'm riding on for you. Lynch me or don't. I still say the best thing we can do is remove Andres as a suspect or a distraction.
vote: AndrestheCunning
OldSchool, if I am abused as a distraction, I don't see why you should lynch me for that? An abused townie is still a townie and I don't understand how lynching a townie will help us win this game. The mafia picks me as a distraction and you conclude that I should get lynched because of that? So basically you are saying that the town should lynch the player selected by the mafia? And if you lynch me and next round they use somebody else as a distraction, do you want us to lynch that townie as well? I don't understand the logic and to me it seems like you are distracting the town by trying to convince us to lynch annoying townies instead of mafiosi.
Besides, I voted you last round and you are still alive right now, so I guess a) the mafia has quit "abusing" me b) you are mafia.
So, for the reasons I stated right now and in the previous round, I will:
Vote : OldSchool
Call it a bandwagon or anything else you like, I gave my reasoning in the
previous round and it is still valid now.
I think we've heard OldSchool's continuous mantra long enough for now.
OOC: The lack of posting by other players is disturbing me...
Oldschool is the lynch for today
What are you? The boss, saying who should be lynched.
I would lynch Sasaki
HughTower
03-29-2007, 10:34
2 hours til the end of the night phase. I'm still missing some PM's if I don't recieve them by then I'll be forced to go on without you.
He then posted the kills almost exactly 2 hours later (of which there were two).
Given timezones & inactivity, in the interests of trying to create a shortlist, we might put our 2 Aussies (pevergreen & CountA) to one side briefly.
Sorry for the lack of attention
I just Im lost here.
Vote:Abstain
CF is often very suspicious when he's a townie because of what he says & writes, & in this game, he's not garnering any attention because he's not posting or saying anything. Might this mean he's finally Mafia?
GBB comes across as innocent to me (see his defence of GH recently).
Old School is very active - which can suggest a role or be a byproduct of being relatively new to the game.
Warmaster & RoadKill are hovering in the active lurker zone at the moment, & I think should in the game more. What are your thoughts, guys?
HughTower
03-29-2007, 10:43
What are you? The boss, saying who should be lynched.
I would lynch Sasaki
Stig - you're not helping anyone by so obviously bearing a grudge. And yes, Sasaki could still be Mafia, but I suspect if he is that we will only be able to discover this in the endgame. You need if possible to be a little more objective.
We know by the number of kills that they are 2 mafia grunts left out there, as well as possibly the GF.
Stig - you're not helping anyone by so obviously bearing a grudge. And yes, Sasaki could still be Mafia, but I suspect if he is that we will only be able to discover this in the endgame. You need if possible to be a little more objective.
We know by the number of kills that they are 2 mafia grunts left out there, as well as possibly the GF.
Once the GF is dead the game is over.:whip:
HughTower
03-29-2007, 14:52
Once the GF is dead the game is over.:whip:
Well, I consider that to be key information, Ichigo. Why have you been keeping that from us till now? Achem..... :embarassed:
Post #36 :
PM's have been sent.
It is night phase so I need the mafia and detective PM's.
Also I've decided that the GF must remain hidden if he is lynched then the game is over.
That's 250,00 € please. You want to pay cash or by credit card?
[sasaki mode]This is interesting Hugh why are you asking this? Everyone could have read that, are you hiding something[/sasaki mode]
~D
HughTower
03-29-2007, 16:13
[sasaki mode]This is interesting Hugh why are you asking this? Everyone could have read that, are you hiding something[/sasaki mode]
~D
[stig mode]Because the sun was shining and I was having a beer (or 5), when that rule was posted, & you can't expect me to read the whole thread[\stig mode]~;p
Post #36 :
That's 250,00 € please. You want to pay cash or by credit card?
Have your rates gone up?
So, who's the GF then?
Warmaster Horus
03-29-2007, 16:18
Hey, guys, just to tell you that I'm more or less a lurker. Depends what you mean by it. For me, a lurker is someone who post once, and then doesn't.
I also quote myself:
I'll post when I've got something interesting to say.
This is a byproduct of Csar-Sasaki where I posted something absolutely useless (in my opinion). If you want to see how I post (rate of posts, etc...) you can look up both Csar-Sasaki and Stealth Mini Mafia. In the last one I've gone very active due to almost being lynched.
In defence of Hughtower, it means we know quickly how useful a lynch was. Game ends=lynched the GF, game continues=Mafia still alive.
It was key information, but pointing it out was not that useful.
If you read this post carefully enough, you'll realize it was obvious, and that I'm not the most helpful guy around here.
CF is often very suspicious when he's a townie because of what he says & writes, & in this game, he's not garnering any attention because he's not posting or saying anything. Might this mean he's finally Mafia?
Well, Im not posting much because Im lost, i dont have any clue yet.
Also, OldSchool seems to be very active.Its not usually that a normal townie posts a lot here.
Just my cent
Voting will be extended by a few hours because I won't be able to access a computer for a few hours. Should be between 7-8 Central Standard Time -6GMT
Dutch_guy
03-29-2007, 22:21
Well, Im not posting much because Im lost, i dont have any clue yet.
Also, OldSchool seems to be very active.Its not usually that a normal townie posts a lot here.
Just my cent
That didn't deter you from posting in the other games, now did it. OldSchool has also been taking a lot of flak from the rest, defending oneself is quite normal and normal townies can post (a lot) during the day fase, there's nothing wrong with that.
OldSchool may be active, but you're less of it. That worries me more.
:balloon2:
Its not usually that a normal townie posts a lot here.
It isn't? Sasaki and Ichigo always have the most posts even when they are townies
Sasaki Kojiro
03-29-2007, 22:44
[stig mode]Because the sun was shining and I was having a beer (or 5), when that rule was posted, & you can't expect me to read the whole thread[\stig mode]
~D Seriously stig you lynched yourself with that stuff man.
Oldschools last post confirms his backtracking and he restates that he wants to lynch andres even though he thinks andres is being framed.
Seriously stig you lynched yourself with that stuff man.
I never knew 5 beers were lethal ~D
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2007, 23:09
That didn't deter you from posting in the other games, now did it. OldSchool has also been taking a lot of flak from the rest, defending oneself is quite normal and normal townies can post (a lot) during the day fase, there's nothing wrong with that.
OldSchool may be active, but you're less of it. That worries me more.
:balloon2:
I'm pretty sure Caius is innocent.
I wish I had a beer or 5. :bigcry:
CountArach
03-29-2007, 23:22
I'm pretty sure Caius is innocent.
Why? I know we can trust you, being dead and all, but why would that be (ie any particular posts?)
GeneralHankerchief
03-29-2007, 23:34
Just a hunch, really. Nothing more, but I will ban myself from the Gameroom if he is guilty.
OldSchool
03-29-2007, 23:58
~D Seriously stig you lynched yourself with that stuff man.
Oldschools last post confirms his backtracking and he restates that he wants to lynch andres even though he thinks andres is being framed.
I see that Andres and you both left out the "suspect" part of my argument. Again, very selective in your accusations.
I still say the best thing we can do is remove Andres as a suspect or a distraction.
Obviously, the price of having a "discussion" with you is to get set up for a lynch. Lesson learned.
I don't think anyone truly believes I would expose myself to such a degree at this stage of the game simply for one lynch. Maybe it's worth it to just remove me for being such an annoyance. At any rate, there is way too much of me in this thread, and not enough of everyone else.
BlackAxe3001
03-30-2007, 00:15
I don't even know where to begin to guess as to who is mafia. I was thinking about jumping on the OldSchool bandwagon, as Sasaki has made some good points, but meh...
Vote: GBB
Pressure Vote. Plus it might get him to talk some more to help confirm or deny Sasaki's suspicions.
Post #36 :
That's 250,00 € please. You want to pay cash or by credit card?
How much do I get for hosting a game? :pimp:
Kommodus
03-30-2007, 02:31
Gah! I'm away on a business trip (from which I still haven't returned), and check in to find myself dead. :skull:
The man spoke silently to himself, “We’ll see how well your system works when your dead”. And with that the man walked away from Kommodus’s bloody corpse.
Why, my system will work even better now that I'm dead - thank you for asking! :bow:
Imitates Obi-Wan: "If you strike me down, I shall become even more powerful than you can imagine..."
You see, now that you've proven my innocence, my results will no longer be suspect. They may be doubted as inaccurate, but they will not be questioned as insincere.
I'm away from home and can't access my system right now, but I have two things to say:
Whoever killed me doesn't know me too well; I scarcely drink at all.
Thanks for killing me anyway. I'll take it over being lynched any day! :2thumbsup:I'll not get a chance to post much more for a couple of days.
Gah! I'm away on a business trip (from which I still haven't returned), and check in to find myself dead. :skull:
Why, my system will work even better now that I'm dead - thank you for asking! :bow:
Imitates Obi-Wan: "If you strike me down, I shall become even more powerful than you can imagine..."
You see, now that you've proven my innocence, my results will no longer be suspect. They may be doubted as inaccurate, but they will not be questioned as insincere.
I'm away from home and can't access my system right now, but I have two things to say:
Whoever killed me doesn't know me too well; I scarcely drink at all.
Thanks for killing me anyway. I'll take it over being lynched any day! :2thumbsup:I'll not get a chance to post much more for a couple of days.
That was all me........:guitarist:
RoadKill
03-30-2007, 04:09
Okay for voting for sasaki twice it was an accident, I forgot I already voted already, my greatest apologies. And my reason for voting for sasaki is that it seems like he is trying to get some discussion going for another player and taking every spec of suspicion off himself. And i have also been lruking for a while becuase sometimes i just dont know what to say, and i dont want to say anything stupid. My greatest apologies.
BlackAxe3001
03-30-2007, 04:18
No worries... just 1000 lashings! :whip:
At any rate, what do you think of GBB and OldSchool? Surely you have some suspicions... Why do you think Sasaki would be trying to draw attention from himself? Do you think he is mafia? Maybe he isn't mafia and is just trying to find them?
Another thing, why wouldn't the mafia take Sasaki out if he wasn't mafia? Surely the mafia wouldn't want him exposing them. Hmm, never thought of that. Unless the mafia aren't sure if Sasaki is mafia or not. Ugh, too much thinking...
CountArach
03-30-2007, 04:20
Think about it though, who makes themselves more suspicius than Sasaki?
Sorry for being extremely late.
Voting closed.
OldSchool has been lynched
Ignoramus has been WoGed
Note:I haven't decided yet what I'm going to do, but it will either be A)If you don't vote you will be killed instantly and the end of the lynching round, or B)We'll start having to have a majority to lynch.
I haven't decided, but I'm getting tired of people posting without voting or even abstaining I've been nicer than I should be thus far, but it seems that will have to change. There were a total of 4 votes cast this round 4!!! Out of 12 people, and I for one am getting tired of it.
LET THAT BE A WARNING TO YOU ALL.
OldSchool
03-30-2007, 05:11
Geez guys. Couldn't even bother to fire up a bandwagon?
Good luck, everybody!
OldSchool out.
Oh forgot PM's please.
Still Alive:
AndrestheCunning
WarMaster Horus
Sasaki Kojiro
GBB
CF
RoadKill
pevergreen
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Killed:
CR
Motep
HughTower
Dutch_guy
GH
Kommodus
Lynched:
Omanes
Stig
OldSchool
Suicide:
DoH
WoGed:
Ignoramus
pevergreen
03-30-2007, 11:55
rightio. Im still alive.
Kommo, if you could post results at some time, or at least point us in the right direction a bit.
Out of the alive people:
AndrestheCunning
WarMaster Horus
Sasaki Kojiro
GBB
CF
RoadKill
pevergreen
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
I am suspicious of:
AndrestheCunning
WarMaster Horus
Sasaki Kojiro
GBB
CF
RoadKill
BlackAxe
rdeče.jabolko
If i had to cut it down:
AndrestheCunning
CF
RoadKill
BlackAxe
rdeče.jabolko
rdeče.jabolko i havent seen much from you...
Anyone elses take?
Sasaki, you arent attacking as much as usual, im putting it down to lack of time/enthusiasim.
Ill re-read.
pevergreen
03-30-2007, 12:09
right.
Im thinking one mafia is experienced as CR was killed night one. Takes away his power to be believed by not lieing.
The accusation of a newbie frame on blackaxe by sasaki, rings true for what he would do.
Why the hurry then?You know some people cant came here for timezones...
Also, you poster an hour ago.Again, why the hurry
This is unusual.
Blackaxe points out he is a noob. But too over the top.
Most likely mafia:
Blackaxe
CF
makes sense, as these two i can see not sending in kill write ups.
Most likely detctive:
Kommo
Nothing posted results wise after death.
Most likely GF:
Sasaki
not attacking people like he normally does, plus the charade with blackaxe looks faked to me.
Thats all IMO of course.
(edit: added descriptions in)
Sasaki would choose experienced mafia as his helpers. I wouldn't choose Kommo or GH (or maybe only 1 of them), as they are highly suspicious. After that you get a whole range of players with 5 or more games who are pretty good at this game (but most of them aren't in this game)
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2007, 13:14
Sasaki, you arent attacking as much as usual, im putting it down to lack of time/enthusiasim.
Ill re-read.
I disagree. You haven't been around much though?
pevergreen
03-30-2007, 13:21
I had exam week, then SPWND. (www.spwnd.com)
Im on holidays now though.
I had exam week, then SPWND. (www.spwnd.com)
Im on holidays now though.
That didn't hold you from posting frequently at the Org (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/search.php?searchid=71947)
:inquisitive:
pevergreen
03-30-2007, 13:35
i got nothing from that link.
i got nothing from that link.
In the thread, click on you username, select the option "find more posts by pevergreen".
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2007, 17:18
Interesting. Pever, you never answered my question from earlier.
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 17:26
To defend pever, or rather to avoid lynching a (potentially) innocent townie, I'd ask him this: do you get good grades? how hard do you work?
BTW Ichigo, I realize you're unhappy with people not voting, but isn't WoG against lurkers rather than non-voters? Because, you can't say that a guy who posts a lot of helpful stuff but doesn't vote should be WoG'ed.
EDIT: how about installing a certain amount of people required to lynch? (like in 'Gotta have more Mafia') Means, if the other townies are lurking, or don't vote, it will be more likely to lose.
To defend pever, or rather to avoid lynching a (potentially) innocent townie, I'd ask him this: do you get good grades? how hard do you work?
BTW Ichigo, I realize you're unhappy with people not voting, but isn't WoG against lurkers rather than non-voters? Because, you can't say that a guy who posts a lot of helpful stuff but doesn't vote should be WoG'ed.
EDIT: how about installing a certain amount of people required to lynch? (like in 'Gotta have more Mafia') Means, if the other townies are lurking, or don't vote, it will be more likely to lose.
If they post a lot then they should be able to post a Vote:Abstain, don't you agree?
B)We'll start having to have a majority to lynch
I said those were my two options, and I haven't decided which one shall be implemented yet.
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2007, 20:03
Not quite sure about the others (but pever does sound a bit suspicious IMHO), but I do vouch for Caius.
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 20:11
Second time you say CF is innocent. Why? And saying "just a hunch" doesn't do good in Mafia games.
I think GH was the Detective, and first investigated CF. The reasoning behind this is that a Detective can't reveal after his death, so he's got to say it in some other way. Although why he'd start by CF is a mystery to me.
Second time you say CF is innocent. Why? And saying "just a hunch" doesn't do good in Mafia games.
I think GH was the Detective, and first investigated CF. The reasoning behind this is that a Detective can't reveal after his death, so he's got to say it in some other way. Although why he'd start by CF is a mystery to me.
Its very simple(to me)
If he was the detective, I should be investigated.Why?Because I wasnt selected as mafioso in any large mafia game.The fact i was never a mafioso in any mafia game gives a major oportunity to be mafioso.So thats why
GeneralHankerchief
03-30-2007, 20:19
Second time you say CF is innocent. Why? And saying "just a hunch" doesn't do good in Mafia games.
I think GH was the Detective, and first investigated CF. The reasoning behind this is that a Detective can't reveal after his death, so he's got to say it in some other way. Although why he'd start by CF is a mystery to me.
I'm not the Detective.
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 20:34
Fine.
CF, your explanation does, in fact, make sense. I forgot the Godfather chose the Mafiosi. So, why would you be innocent?
Because sooner or later Im voted, or killed.
Check previous mafia games.In every game, I was 'sieged' and executed, one time and another, by the mafiosos
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 20:41
I see.
Ichigo, when are the PMs due? Or when are the kills to be posted?
Why did you edited your post?
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 21:21
How unsuspicious are such questions?
And, I've got GH's word on the matter. I trust him enough for that.
About that GH, it might be a bit "extreme" to ban yourself from the gameroom if he's guilty.
RoadKill
03-30-2007, 21:28
Warmaster I have a question why are you so eager to find out who the detective is? If you are a townie then of course you would like to keep the detective instead of querstioning him and trying to get him to say he is? Suspicious no?
CountArach
03-30-2007, 21:53
I see.
Ichigo, when are the PMs due? Or when are the kills to be posted?
Why do you need to know when the PMs are due? If you are sending a PM the odds are that you are scummy.
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 22:19
I just wanted to know when the game would move forward. If I was scummy, first I probably wouldn't post so much, and second I would pay attention to the various deadlines. And, more importantly, I would NOT ask publicly, in the thread.
As for my search for the Detective, this only concerned GH and me: GH kept saying CF was innocent; suspicious, no? So I propose that GH was the Detective: it wouldn't do any real difference, since GH is dead. Then he says he's not the Detective, so I drop the case.
So, I now realize I should have asked GH by PM, rather than in the thread, but this would have subsequently followed with GH accusing me.
EDIT: also CA, realize I asked when the kills would be posted. Ergo, I am not scum. If I were one, asking about when I had to send the PMs in, I would not have asked that.
CountArach
03-30-2007, 22:41
GH kept saying CF was innocent; suspicious, no?
How is this remotely suspicious?
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 23:12
Well, it suggests a deeper link between them, doesn't it?
RoadKill
03-30-2007, 23:15
Either that or Gh doesn't want us to make a stupid lynch?
Well, it suggests a deeper link between them, doesn't it?
We dont have a connection.
Warmaster Horus
03-30-2007, 23:20
Well, all I was asking was WHY GH said CF was innocent, the only way he could be absolutely sure was by being the Detective, ergo I think he's the detective.
What's suspicious is the fact that he says it.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-30-2007, 23:23
GH is proven innocent, Warmaster.
CountArach
03-30-2007, 23:52
Indeed, so there is no suspicion. If anything it probably clears CF.
pevergreen
03-31-2007, 00:57
Interesting. Pever, you never answered my question from earlier.
How long ago was the question asked. I cant see a question i havent answered from you within the last day.
To defend pever, or rather to avoid lynching a (potentially) innocent townie, I'd ask him this: do you get good grades? how hard do you work?
I should be out of my 5 exams, 4 A's and 1 C
But that isnt proof, i have a friend who gets better marks and does less work :shrug:
Sorry the kills are so late. I've been experiencing RL, and checking out guitars and whatnot. I don't have time to write up kills atm, so I'll just post who was killed.
Warmaster and GBB
pevergreen
03-31-2007, 09:08
Right, extreme lurking from funny name guy, so:
Vote: redece.jabalko
Still Alive:
AndrestheCunning
Sasaki Kojiro
CF
RoadKill
pevergreen
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Killed:
CR
Motep
HughTower
Dutch_guy
GH
Kommodus
WarMaster Horus
GBB
Lynched:
Omanes
Stig
OldSchool
Suicide:
DoH
WoGed:
Ignoramus
With 8 still alive, I think it's time to reveal:
You have been selected as the detective in my mafia game. Your role is to PM me every night phase with someone you want to investigate. You may not reveal after death, and you must reveal to everyone in the thread no revealing to individuals. Good luck, and enjoy the game!
Ichigo
My investigations:
Night one: GH - innocent
Night two: Kommodus - innocent
Night three: Sasaki - innocent
Night four: pevergreen - innocent
A PM-conversation I had with Ichigo:
You have been selected as the detective in my mafia game. Your role is to PM me every night phase with someone you want to investigate. You may not reveal after death, and you must reveal to everyone in the thread no revealing to individuals. Good luck, and enjoy the game!
Ichigo
Well, never had the honor of being the detective...
Thank you Ichigo :bow: In return, I'll try to let the town lynch you in the next mafia game you participate in :grin:
Some questions: 1) do I get the role of the player I investigate (if I am lucky and pick the GF, will I know he is GF, or will you only tell me "guilty" or "not guilty"?, in the latter case, I have an additional question, is the GF "guilty" or not (I knew in capo GF's turned out innocent when investigated); 2) mafia always has two kills? If the two mafioso are dead but GF still alive, the GF can kill?; 3) does the GF have special abilities like investigating or protecting someone from something?
As for my first investigation: it doesn't always have to be Sasaki... so: Investigate : GeneralHankerchief
Ciao,
Andres.
1. No, you don't get there role you only get innocent or guilty. The GF will be innocent if you investigate him, but his henchmen will come up guilty.
2. Yes, that reminds me I forgot to address that in the thread.
3. No, I didn't give the GF any special abilities.
A little tip if you PM you investigation before the mafia PM's who they want to kill, then you will get your investigations back before the kills. ~;)
Ichigo
So, my investigations only learned us that Sasaki and pevergreen are not the henchman of the GF.
Anyway, this means at least two of these are mafia:
CF
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Another intresting conversation I had:
[QUOTE=AndresTheCunning]I know it's very early, but what do you think? Would this be a good time to reveal?
Well you've investigated two big people Kommo and GH. Why do you ask?
I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable in this detective role. Actually, I'm trying to look a bit scummy, to attract some votes and thus avoiding to get killed by the mafia (i hope they are clever and experienced enough not to kill those who are likely to get lynched), but I'm getting a feeling that I'm beginning to look a bit too suspicious... :laugh4:
When does the voting period stop (and what's that in GMT +1?).
It's clear that I would reveal if I'm about to get lynched let's say 30 minutes before the voting period closes, but if the voting period ends while I'm asleep, I can't do that.
Is there some way for you to reveal my role in case I get lynched? It's obvious I won't reveal until it's 100 % that I'm going to get lynched.
But as for now, it seems like Stig is going to die, so maybe I was just panicking at the time I pm'ed you.
Gah, different timezones suck.
Andres.
Smart move. It'll close in 3 and a half hours.
I doubt you'll get lynched, but if you do get ahead reveal there's a role that might be able to save you from the mafia ~;)
If your lynched I'll probably somehow work it into the write-up.
So, apparantly there is/was somebody else with a pro-town role. GH stated firmly that CF was innocent, so maybe GH was the one with the special role. Let's assume GH is 100 % sure about CF, we have these guys left:
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Let's see how rdeče.jabolko responds when there is some real pressure on him:
Vote : rdeče.jabolko
And remember, if we lynch the right one today, the town still has a chance to win this:
Some other things I forgot to mention. If one of the henchmen is killed there will only be one kill afterwards. If both henchmen are dead then there will still be one kill by the GF.
Warmaster Horus
03-31-2007, 10:04
What? What happened? Why me? Who could have done this?
GAH!
At least it makes people forget about my stupidity.
pevergreen
03-31-2007, 10:53
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Are possible Henchmen,
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
pevergreen
Sasaki
are possible GF's
I obviously presume I am innocent, which leaves
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Sasaki
Will put my opinions out after everyone on that list posts.
HughTower
03-31-2007, 11:23
Nice reveal, Andres.
On that basis then, rdeče.jabolko should definitely be targeted with a lynch. He's shown himself to be happy to put himself about in his first few Mafia games & the Mafia's victims (until this round) have all been (relatively) experienced & logical players.
On that logical basis, I would make the assumption that BlackAxe & Roadkill are his henchman.
What? What happened? Why me? Who could have done this?
GAH!
At least it makes people forget about my stupidity.
I know It sucks Warmaster, but you were very active.
The mafia needs less discussion, as there is a posibilty they make a mistake.
Andres,I should go for BlackAxe.
But you will be sooner or later dead.The mafia will try to kill you.
Unless you have something useful for say
Vote:BlackAxe
Warmaster Horus
03-31-2007, 16:52
For some reason, I don't see who could have wanted me dead... Good luck town! You're gonna need it!
RoadKill
03-31-2007, 16:59
@hugh
How could I possibly be a henchmen? This is one of my first mafia games and i doubt I will be picked as a henchmen, besides that fact why would I have been protecting GH when he is obviously innocent? Therefore taking myself off the list rakejia, blackaxe, and countarch have to be possible henchmens therefore I vote Vote: CountArch What do you have to say on your defence?
Warmaster Horus
03-31-2007, 17:09
Remember RK that in the Godfather, part 1 (the first to have a GF at the Org, I believe) Gorebag was chosen as a grunt, because it was he was a newbie player.
RoadKill
03-31-2007, 17:19
But still if i was a henchmen y would I possibly prtect the innocent?
BlackAxe3001
03-31-2007, 17:21
I'm not mafia. I don't know how many times I have to prove it. A freaking Sasaki inquisition and all... pay attention CF.
Vote: rdeče.jabolko
I bet hes the godfather.
RoadKill and CountArach are his henchmen. Roadkill has been almost completely silent the whole game until now, which seems very suspicious. CountArach hasn't said much as of late either. Also suspicious. Roadkills defense is weak. Just because you are a noob doesn't mean you can't be a henchman. Claiming noobness doesn't work as a good defense. You should know that since you watched me try to use it and fail. You are one of the henchmen, it's obvious.
Well, we know that Andres is dead next turn and so will one of the other people who have been proven innocent. That leaves me and those I suspect as henchmen and the gf. Vote smart town! The mafia will leave me alive just to make you think I am mafia. Don't fall for this obvious trickery like I fell for the andres-motep frame attempt. It will only lead to your downfall.
BlackAxe3001
03-31-2007, 17:25
But still if i was a henchmen y would I possibly prtect the innocent?
Why? To make yourself look more innocent because you are mafia. It's a simple concept. I can see right through the shroud of mystery you are trying to protect yourself with. Besides, if they are innocent, why do they need to be protected from a lynch. You are obviously a henchman.
I'm not mafia. I don't know how many times I have to prove it. A freaking Sasaki inquisition and all... pay attention CF.
Vote: rdeče.jabolko
I bet hes the godfather.
RoadKill and CountArach are his henchmen. Roadkill has been almost completely silent the whole game until now, which seems very suspicious. CountArach hasn't said much as of late either. Also suspicious. Roadkills defense is weak. Just because you are a noob doesn't mean you can't be a henchman. Claiming noobness doesn't work as a good defense. You should know that since you watched me try to use it and fail. You are one of the henchmen, it's obvious.
Well, we know that Andres is dead next turn and so will one of the other people who have been proven innocent. That leaves me and those I suspect as henchmen and the gf. Vote smart town! The mafia will leave me alive just to make you think I am mafia. Don't fall for this obvious trickery like I fell for the andres-motep frame attempt. It will only lead to your downfall.
Sorry
Unvote:BlackAxe30001
Vote:Abstain
RoadKill
03-31-2007, 18:59
BlackAex the offence you have made to me can exactly refer to you, how do we know your not pretending to be innocent and trying to act like a pro-town? Exactly and I do not care if you lynch me, it is just another lynch that is wasted.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
03-31-2007, 20:48
If only I could vote. Ah well, my personal opinion hints at my origional target CA and, now, RoadKill. RoadKill, was it him, asked if townies received PMs, I'm not sure if it was him, a bad case of RL is overwhelming my .Org time online at the moment. Is that enough to lynch him?
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2007, 21:00
well balls, 0 for 2.
CF
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
I think I will trust GH on cf for now. Roadkill hasn't given us much at all. I was waiting to see if rdece would get killed, he seems to have dropped a few decent posts and then disappeared, hadn't come under suspicion, seems like a likely kill choice.
I believe this is lylo, after the stig mafia VI I want to make sure to look at all the possibilities, so I won't be voting just yet.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2007, 21:06
If only I could vote. Ah well, my personal opinion hints at my origional target CA and, now, RoadKill. RoadKill, was it him, asked if townies received PMs, I'm not sure if it was him, a bad case of RL is overwhelming my .Org time online at the moment. Is that enough to lynch him?
Was pevergreen, and he didn't answer when I asked him about it, and said he couldn't find the question when I asked him again.
Neither CA nor pevergreen unvoted Blackaxe after he explained himself. CountArach had just come under suspicion when pever put blackAxe into the lead:
Whos in the tie?
I believe BlackAxe to be the best option for todays lynch.
See the thread for reasons
Vote: BlackAxe
That's one connection, I need to reread and I'll find more.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2007, 21:26
Right, here's a go through of day 1.
CountA votes Warmaster, saying he should talk.
BlackAxe votes Andres, wicked bad reasoning.
Oldschool votes ignoramus (lurker)
I vote BlackAxe, saying he could be framing
Caius votes Oldschool (I don't understand why)
BlackAxe unvotes
CountA votes CF for hypocrisy
Kommodus votes GBB lurker
CountA votes BlackAxe after my exchange with him
Omanes votes CountA
Dutch guy accuses CountA slightly (of being eager which he is)
Warmaster expresses suspicion of ca
stig votes me
at this point dutch says it's a 4 way tie. Presumably he meant a tie between BlackAxe, CountA, GBB, and me, (forgetting ignoramus), although blackaxe was actually in the lead. Now pever's vote is interesting:
Whos in the tie?
I believe BlackAxe to be the best option for todays lynch.
See the thread for reasons
Vote: BlackAxe
He believe's there is a tie, so his vote is to break the tie. So he must want BlackAxe lynched over someone else. GBB is innocent and I think pever would trust me to defend myself (lol). So he either thought that blackAxe was genuinely suspicious and thought he should be in the lead, or thought he was the best way to protect countA (who had come under the most suspicious besides blackAxe).
Andres votes Hughtower.
CF votes Omanes for his vote on CountA (I would really like GH to say why he thinks CF is innocent, this vote looks bad and omanes was lynched eventually).
Destro votes GH.
Roadkill votes me.
I unvote Blackaxe when he explains himself
GH votes omanes
I vote destro
gbb votes omanes
Kommo votes rdece (for not posting yet)
I would say the pever countA connection is quite interesting. CF would be interesting but the people who put omanes ahead have been killed so it's clear he didn't cause the omanes lynch. rdece and roadkill didn't really post anything.
scotchedpommes
03-31-2007, 21:34
I am surprised at the willingness to follow Pever and initiate a bandwagon,
when it looks to me like a possible attempt to immediately deflect
attention from himself, as he too remains a suspect.
Nice reveal, Andres.
On that basis then, rdeče.jabolko should definitely be targeted with a lynch. He's shown himself to be happy to put himself about in his first few Mafia games & the Mafia's victims (until this round) have all been (relatively) experienced & logical players.
On that logical basis, I would make the assumption that BlackAxe & Roadkill are his henchman.
I'm taken aback by this, also. Given that you weren't here for my first few mafia
games this strikes me as a flawed observation. Then, as now, I was busy with
other things away from here; more recently moving out of my previous
accommodation. While I'm not going to go to the lengths Stig did, I will say I
was content in the previous rounds to catch up whenever I came online,
[posting in my regular frontroom thread, yes] and I'm disappointed some of you
would throw away crucial votes at this point.
In light of Pever's initial vote, I feel compelled to vote for him, regardless of
opinions on open retaliation, he is still a candidate for 'scum'.
Vote: Pervegrun
In honour of your unique butchery.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2007, 21:45
Ok I just *($*& lost my day 2 write up. So I'll do a summary. Not much interesting.
this is amusing:
And his explanation about the detective who must have investigated him at round one, well, it's not something we should trust on,
And good evidence of a genuine claim which isn't needed, because if he were mafia he would have claimed a guilty on someone.
rdece first posts. He has 5 posts this round, and votes for stig. posts are substantial. This doesn't fit usual lurker behavior, but we need his explanation.
CountA votes for Omanes when imo the evidence against stig was overwhelming (GH, Kommo, and me all agreed on him for reference). Then unvotes when he realizes omanes is dead. This could be from a desire not to be on a wagon that he thought was going to be shown to be on an innocent. Need his explanation
Roadkill again has like one post, voting for me. We need more from him and I need to reread that other game with him.
pevergreen seems concerned about the possible lack of kill:
What?
One person died and the other didnt have a name (failed kill?)
Which is interesting. He also doesn't post much and avoids stig wagon. Perhaps he thinks since stig is going to be lynched he doesn't need to put any effort into casting suspicion on anyone.
That's about it for day 2, I'm favoring CA or pever at this point.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2007, 21:47
I am surprised at the willingness to follow Pever and initiate a bandwagon,
when it looks to me like a possible attempt to immediately deflect
attention from himself, as he too remains a suspect.
I'm taken aback by this, also. Given that you weren't here for my first few mafia
games this strikes me as a flawed observation. Then, as now, I was busy with
other things away from here; more recently moving out of my previous
accommodation. While I'm not going to go to the lengths Stig did, I will say I
was content in the previous rounds to catch up whenever I came online,
[posting in my regular frontroom thread, yes] and I'm disappointed some of you
would throw away crucial votes at this point.
They aren't throwing away crucial votes, they are putting pressure on you because you haven't been posting and we have to hear from you.
I'm curious if pevergreen will accept you explanation for your absence.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2007, 22:07
I would also like pevergreen to account for himself. I haven't seen him on MSn though, so maybe he is away?
This is interesting, he accuses pever but provides an excuse for him in the same breath.
sorry guys, pretty dead after school overnight LAN party and exams.
I am on holidays now, so involvement will go up in a few days.
pever has his excuse.
people vote oldschool, oldschool votes andres.
hey hey, pever posts again right after lynch. He said in a few days involvement would go up, but he posts in a little over a day.
ho, interesting:
Most likely detctive:
Kommo
Which is really funny since Kommo had just been killed, in a surprise move. Vote:pevergreen we need explanations from you on lots of things now.
He then says cf and blackAxe are mafia and I am the GF. We are all still alive but he hasn't voted for any of us. He says rdece is suspicious for being away (hypocrisy).
pever is questioned on his absence, provides a link. Andres points out that he made numerous posts during his claimed absence. pever says that he "get's nothing from the link" when he wouldn't need a link to remember that he posted.
Roadkill has a couple decent posts.
hmm ok we have a pretty decent shot imo.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-31-2007, 22:09
In light of Pever's initial vote, I feel compelled to vote for him, regardless of
opinions on open retaliation, he is still a candidate for 'scum'.
Vote: Pervegrun
In honour of your unique butchery.
I see you've added a vote. I agree with you, but would you mind telling me what you think of CountA, roadkill, and cf?
CountArach
03-31-2007, 23:29
Vote: RoadKill
Defensive vote.
CF votes Omanes for his vote on CountA (I would really like GH to say why he thinks CF is innocent, this vote looks bad and omanes was lynched eventually).
I voted Omanes because he didnt said nothing.He just voted.
scotchedpommes
04-01-2007, 00:35
I see you've added a vote. I agree with you, but would you mind telling me what you think of CountA, roadkill, and cf?
[Joy unbridled.]
CountArach appears to have been erratic, or confused at best. As much as
relentless confrontation may be used to create disruption, CountArach's voting
may serve to do likewise. RoadKill has at times appeared confused himself in
voting behaviour, and is now indicating his feelings of apathy which are clearly
open to interpretation. Caius seems reluctant to commit to a course of action,
[and we seem to be agreeing in numbers that GH was somehow aware of his
innocence] and while that would not immediately concern me if we had more
rounds, he was swayed by BlackAxe extremely easily - I see little reason why
he should be.
RoadKill
04-01-2007, 01:12
Sasaki I didn't vote for u.....
RoadKill
04-01-2007, 01:13
And By the Way, care to give me a reason, Countarch? HAving a defensive vote against me to get me lynched isn't really a reason you know
EDIT: Alsa Sasaki you like to target me, oldschool, and blackaxe, a lot and the reasons you give are foolish also, why do you noe suspect te other players, those who have played in mafia for a long time?
pevergreen
04-01-2007, 04:01
Right.
I can say, that if I was the GF, i probably woul have picked CA.
Answering your question Sasaki:
I didnt get a PM, and i wanted to make sure that the org hadnt eaten it up, so i asked. If i didnt, someone would have. The Host needs to say if townies dont get a PM.
The link andres provided opended a new page, but said it could find nothing. I then followed his instructions and didnt see much.
I said my activity would rise, because i am on holidays. That means it can rise straight away. I had no intention of a bandwagon on rdece, i wanted him to stop his non-posting behaviour.
At the four way tie, i saw an oppurtunity to lynch the person that was most likely scum. You would do that wouldnt you sasaki?
I am happy with rdece's explanation.
Unvote: rdece
Which is really funny since Kommo had just been killed, in a surprise move.
I posted my thoughts on why he was most likely the detective as well. He hadnt posted any results, and at that time, i thought it might cross over with his program, and since he cant reveal after death, stopping him from posting results.
Quote:
What?
One person died and the other didnt have a name (failed kill?)
Which is interesting. He also doesn't post much and avoids stig wagon. Perhaps he thinks since stig is going to be lynched he doesn't need to put any effort into casting suspicion on anyone.
the second kill had no name in it, and after the write up, Ichigo said it was Dutch_Guys kill. I didnt catch on he meant dutch guy was dead, as Ichigo is not in the habit of posting who is alive and who isnt.
I am convinced sasaki is not the GF now, he is acting how i thought he would.
Andres says it leaves these people:
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Taking out rdece, because he is most likely innocent, that leaves what i think are the 3 scum.
People say Roadkill is scum, I can see why, but i still feel Blackaxe is scum as well.
I am open to any suggestions as to who to vote, my analyzing skills arent the greatest.
But for Roadkill's last post, he definately seems the best option.
Vote: Roadkill
After lets say two kills tonight, Andres and someone will probably die. If one kill, then probably Andres. I think i will be left alive to draw votes away from the mafia.
:bow:
(The edit made the vote bold and i accidently quoted the post above me, i got rid of that as well.)
If you all could keep a vote tally it would make my life a lot easier.
RoadKill
04-01-2007, 15:56
After lets say two kills tonight, Andres and someone will probably die. If one kill, then probably Andres. I think i will be left alive to draw votes away from the mafia.
Pevergreen why would yo be left alive? Why wouldn't the mafia kill you? Is it becuase you re the mafia? And what do you mean youll be left alive to draw votes away from the mafia? Your being a little scummy here you know, therefore you have 99.99% of my suspicion oyou as the mafia
UnvoteVote: Pevergreen
You guys are sooooooooo cruel. :bigcry:
Why are you guys voting pevergreen???
My investigation revealed he is innocent. Ok, there is still the possibility that he is the Godfather, but shouldn't it be better to concentrate on these people:
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
If we lynch a henchman, the mafia has only one kill per night left. If we lynch a townie, we have lost the game.
If we pick one of these four, we have 1/2 chance that we lynch a henchman, which will buy us time to win the game.
This round we need to lynch a mafioso. Concentrate on those four and we'll probably have one. Afterwards, the kills and the voting pattern in this round, will give us more clues and we can go looking for the godfather.
Unvote : rdeče.jabolko
Vote : CountArach
Tally:
CA: 1 (AndresTheCunning)
jabolko : 1 (BlackAxe)
Abstain : 1 (CF)
pevergreen: 3 (Sasaki, jabolko, Roadkill)
Roadkill: 2 (CountArach, pevergreen)
Thanks Andres. I owe you one. ~;)
RoadKill
04-01-2007, 17:24
I don't know what to say, but looks like town loses then, if you guys lynch me, I don't know waht you want me to say but I am not a henchmen, I don't know how you guys want me to prove it.
EDIT: Spelling
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 17:29
I don't know what to say, but looks like town loses then, if you guys lynch me, I don't know waht you want me to say but I am not a henchmen, I don't know how you guys want me to prove it.
EDIT: Spelling
Roadkill you only have a couple votes. You're not even in the lead. You seem really anxious here?
Andres, our odds going for godfather are about the same (1/3). And if we lynch a henchman tomorrow we have to lynch again the next day without an improvement in odds.
Roadkill you only have a couple votes. You're not even in the lead. You seem really anxious here?
Andres, our odds going for godfather are about the same (1/3). And if we lynch a henchman tomorrow we have to lynch again the next day without an improvement in odds.
If we lynch a henchman today, they have only one kill each night instead of two...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 17:37
If we lynch the gf we win.
RoadKill
04-01-2007, 19:00
Sorry Sasaki I thought i had more votes then 2, and I really want a town win, and not waste a lynch like this.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
04-01-2007, 19:31
If we lynch a henchman today, they have only one kill each night instead of two...Of course, how do we know that you are the detective? You could be the Godfather or a henchman trying to stir up trouble among the town. Your list of innocents could be the list of mafioso that you are trying to save.
However, I do not believe that you are the "false reveal type" so I do, actually, trust you in this regard.
RoadKill
04-01-2007, 19:39
Oh ya... How do we know your the real detective? Like omanes said you can be faking it all.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 19:49
Oh ya... How do we know your the real detective? Like omanes said you can be faking it all.
Omanes said he doesn't think he's faking it all.
If he was faking it he would have claimed to have a guilty on someone. Would have been easy.
GeneralHankerchief
04-01-2007, 20:47
RoadKill does make a good point, but I am inclinced to believe Andres. Mainly, his PMs posted are thorough.
Besides, why would the mafia seek to risk it all based on a reveal? They have things pretty well under control and reveals only increase the activity level in a game.
HughTower
04-01-2007, 21:23
Still Alive
AndrestheCunning COP
Sasaki Kojiro - INVESTIGATION = INNOCENT
pevergreen - INVESTIGATION = INNOCENT
CF - VOUCHED FOR AS INNOCENT
RoadKill
BlackAxe
CountArach
rdeče.jabolko
Current Tally:
CA: 1 (AndresTheCunning)
jabolko : 1 (BlackAxe)
Abstain : 1 (CF)
pevergreen: 3 (Sasaki, jabolko, Roadkill)
Roadkill: 2 (CountArach, pevergreen)
TOWNIES - I believe if you let pevergreen be lynched, we will lose. Look at the voting above & realise that if those voting for pevergreen are Mafia & he dies, then you will lose when night ends. All the experienced people have been killed - yet Sasaki remains. rdece.jabolko has been an 'active lurker' all game, & Roadkill is clearly attracting suspicion.
Andres, BlackAxe & CF - pls put your vote onto either rdece.jabolko or Roadkill asap.
Unvote : CountArach
Vote : Roadkill
No way that I am faking. I'm not a native speaker, so I wouldn't even try to fake pm's since I would be detected quite easily.
Add to that the following:
Some other things I forgot to mention. If one of the henchmen is killed there will only be one kill afterwards. If both henchmen are dead then there will still be one kill by the GF.
+ GF dead = town wins.
Crystal clear that we didn't lynch one mafioso yet. This means that there are three mafiosi on eight players alive. No need for a fake reveal.
Tally:
jabolko : 1 (BlackAxe)
Abstain : 1 (CF)
pevergreen: 3 (Sasaki, jabolko, Roadkill)
Roadkill: 3 (CountArach, pevergreen, AndresTheCunning)
scotchedpommes
04-01-2007, 21:51
Unvote: Pevergreen
Vote: RoadKill
Undoubtedly the correct course of action.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 21:52
Well we can go for one of the henchmen first if you really want.
Unvote,Vote:Roadkill
You are far too nervous my friend.
HAHAHAHAHA Voting closed.
I have a bad feeling about this...
I'm afraid I should have sticked my vote to jabolko.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 21:54
Oh Snap!
Roadkill has been lynched.
Roadkill has been lynched.
Shouldn't you add "PM's please" ?
Please, tell me there are pm's to be sent...
HughTower
04-01-2007, 22:00
I have a bad feeling about this...
I'm afraid I should have sticked my vote to jabolko.
So do I - Sasaki & jabolko are definitely in cahoots!
Omanes
AndrestheCunning=Detective
GH=Bus Driver
Stig
WarMaster Horus
Sasaki Kojiro=Godfather :pimp:
GBB
CF
Kommodus
Crazed Rabbit
Dutch_guy
OldSchool
RoadKill
pevergreen
BlackAxe
CountArach=Mafia Grunt
Destroyer of Hope
HughTower
rdeče.jabolko=Mafia Grunt
Ignoramus
Motep
Complete and total Mafia Victory!!!
Well Sasaki is for sure .. if he wasn't mafia it meant that the newer guys where mafia. And if they killed GH and Kommo they would have killed Sasaki as well.
EDIT: I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:02
Good game guys ~:pimp:
Gah!
Congratulations scumbags :bow:
Good game!
And thnx for hosting this one Ichigo :bow:
scotchedpommes
04-01-2007, 22:03
Shame, I had a nice kill for Andres.
Ah well.
~:cheers:
HughTower
04-01-2007, 22:05
Well Played Mafia. Thoroughly deserved. The town were far too sleepy.
Stop Sending Me Pm's The Games Over Arggggggggggggg
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:07
*spams Ichigo's inbox*
I must say GH we were a tad surprised to see the Kommodus kill. But it turned out well.
Shame, I had a nice kill for Andres.
Ah well.
~:cheers:
I hope it wasn't cruel... :sweatdrop:
I was sure Sasaki was innocent. I was leaning towards pevergreen, CA and jabolko, but when Roadkill started to doubt me, I became suspicious about him. Should have picked jabolko instead of Roadkill, but I'd probably would have gone after Roadkill after jabolko's lynch...
:embarassed:
*spams Ichigo's inbox*
I must say GH we were a tad surprised to see the Kommodus kill.
A tad :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
04-01-2007, 22:08
Nice going. :shame:
*spams Ichigo's inbox*
I must say GH we were a tad surprised to see the Kommodus kill. But it turned out well.
Ichigo told me that you were going nuts but by the time when I realized its importance (i.e. the person was on at the time of the kills) it was too late. Ah well.
-edit- For the record, the Bus Driver was designed to switch two people for the night. I.E. If Player X was targeted by the mafia, but I switch Player X with Player Y, then Player Y dies.
The goal was to originally just make sure I didn't thwart investigations too much (and collaborate with the Detective once he revealed - hah!), but my last round I decided I wanted to make a bigger inpact. Unfortunately, Kommodus was supposed to stay alive and Caius killed. Heh.
The town were far too sleepy.
:yes:
It's becoming a problem in the gameroom...
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:09
I was a bit disappointed you guys didn't jump whole hog onto the pever wagon. That was a lot of typing, and he was so clearly guilty. At least it got pever to switch.
The town were far too sleepy.
I would have lynched Sasaki
but I was killed by the Sasaki bandwagon, which you guys followed
idiots :furious3:
:yes:
It's becoming a problem in the gameroom...
That's cause I wasn't in the game and Sasaki was guilty.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:13
Nice going. :shame:
Ichigo told me that you were going nuts but by the time when I realized its importance (i.e. the person was on at the time of the kills) it was too late. Ah well.
-edit- For the record, the Bus Driver was designed to switch two people for the night. I.E. If Player X was targeted by the mafia, but I switch Player X with Player Y, then Player Y dies.
The goal was to originally just make sure I didn't thwart investigations too much (and collaborate with the Detective once he revealed - hah!), but my last round I decided I wanted to make a bigger inpact. Unfortunately, Kommodus was supposed to stay alive and Caius killed. Heh.
lol I figured that's what you intended. fyi we killed you for being too quiet, figured you could be detective.
We threw around some wild ideas after the kill came up but I remembered the bus driver role from my game.
Here's our discussion board (will serve as our write up I suppose), start from the bottom:
http://www.quicktopic.com/39/H/8cPKsWxkaA4Ua
games are a lot more tense when you're mafia, heh.
I would have lynched Sasaki
but I was killed by the Sasaki bandwagon, which you guys followed
idiots :furious3:
No reason to be rude.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:14
I would have lynched Sasaki
but I was killed by the Sasaki bandwagon, which you guys followed
idiots :furious3:
You only went after me once I'd helped lynch you :smash:
No reason to be rude.
Yes there is, I would have lynched Sasaki, which would have won us the game
*think think*
GeneralHankerchief
04-01-2007, 22:16
lol I figured that's what you intended. fyi we killed you for being too quiet, figured you could be detective.
We threw around some wild ideas after the kill came up but I remembered the bus driver role from my game.
Here's our discussion board (will serve as our write up I suppose), start from the bottom:
http://www.quicktopic.com/39/H/8cPKsWxkaA4Ua
games are a lot more tense when you're mafia, heh.
Actually, I've noticed that I've tended to get quieter as a whole in recent games. I think Holmes may be able to confirm this. It seems to be a tell when I'm innocent as a whole.
Yes there is, I would have lynched Sasaki, which would have won us the game
*think think*
Well I can't believe the town left him alive. :sweatdrop: Sasaki is always guilty.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:19
Well I can't believe the town left him alive. :sweatdrop: Sasaki is always guilty.
Rule #1 people, c'mon!
You only went after me once I'd helped lynch you :smash:
helped? You started the "kill Stig"-bandwagon
and after that you were clearly doing things that made you very suspicious (as, since you killed me, I looked at you, and you only).
Rule #1 people, c'mon!
Kill Sasaki first. You almost weren't the GF. ~;)
Kill Sasaki first.
I would do that anyway as the town. Sasaki is active enough to stay discussing after he's dead. So in the first round the change of killing a mafia is 5% or so. Just kill Sasaki. If he's quilty well done, if he wasn't he's no loss.
I suggested that before, but got lynched for it.
scotchedpommes
04-01-2007, 22:27
I was surprised you were almost all willing to dismiss the possibility of Sasaki's
guilt. If I had been in a position to do so I would have voted for him as in one
of the recent cancelled games.
Perhaps it takes a few beers for some insight, eh.
HughTower
04-01-2007, 22:27
Sadly, Stig, there's no point being right if you've given no reason for people to listen to you.
Sasaki was more 'helpful' than usual (in hindsight); rdece had classic active lurker tendencies, & CA was his usual one post a day self (very strong).
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:27
I would do that anyway as the town. Sasaki is active enough to stay discussing after he's dead. So in the first round the change of killing a mafia is 5% or so. Just kill Sasaki. If he's quilty well done, if he wasn't he's no loss.
I suggested that before, but got lynched for it.
I would counter any such meta game strategy with my own meta-meta strategy of "if you lynch me I'll help the mafia as much as possible"...
I would counter any such meta game strategy with my own meta-meta strategy of "if you lynch me I'll help the mafia as much as possible"...
And you know them?
besides if you do that I think it's real sad, but then my strategy is even sadder ... tho it would work ~D
:hide:
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:31
Sasaki was more 'helpful' than usual (in hindsight);
Well it's more how I used to play till townie started to bore me. It's no secret that I much prefer being mafia. I bet Holmes would pick up some differences there, I'm curious what Kommo has to say.
scotchedpommes
04-01-2007, 22:32
Sadly, Stig, there's no point being right if you've given no reason for people to listen to you.
Sasaki was more 'helpful' than usual (in hindsight); rdece had classic active lurker tendencies, & CA was his usual one post a day self (very strong).
In all honesty, besides an odd Sasaki vote, my behaviour would have been the
same had I been innocent.
[Perhaps worth a mention that CountArach was Honestus' replacement.]
Sasaki Kojiro
04-01-2007, 22:38
Yeah, the towns main problem was not doing their own investigative work. Random day 1, stig lynched himself day 2, most of day three was talk bouncing around oldschool/andres, day 4 was the first time they put pressure on us and they were easily dissuaded.
It should be noted that the fact that rdece wasn't speedlynched was a pretty clear indicator that either he was guilty or that pever & BlackAxe were guilty which was impossible under my reasoning...
stig lynched himself day 2
No you lynched me
As soon as you posted I knew it didn't have any use defending myself, as the only defence I had was that I just was sitting outside with a beer, as that is the only truth, and I knew no-one would take that.
I easely spotted that you, after my first defence just wanted to get rid of me (You picked me and just got some to follow you, as you had arguments against me and I couldn't defend myself).
The fact that you went after me like that made you quilty to me, as I simply wasn't quilty and I knew it. And you still kept going after me, even tho others sometimes said that they were busy and votes where changed then.
scotchedpommes
04-01-2007, 22:49
By the way, GH, I am Godzirra.
Feel free to kill me while I'm relieving myself again, if you must.
:skull:
[I thought paying tribute to your superior fighting skills might
save me humiliation in future.]
RoadKill
04-01-2007, 23:44
Not being mean but TOLD U SO
See no one listned to me, about CountArch....but instead well pwned RoadKill n a lynch.
GeneralHankerchief
04-01-2007, 23:52
By the way, GH, I am Godzirra.
Feel free to kill me while I'm relieving myself again, if you must.
:skull:
[I thought paying tribute to your superior fighting skills might
save me humiliation in future.]
I'll keep that in mind. :laugh4:
Congrats dirty scum.
You fooled me all the time.
Kommodus
04-02-2007, 03:20
Ah crap. :shame:
Over in four rounds! I can't believe it. I was way, way too lax with this game... and Sasaki, CountArach, and rdece played it very well. My hat's off to them! :bow:
The goal was to originally just make sure I didn't thwart investigations too much (and collaborate with the Detective once he revealed - hah!), but my last round I decided I wanted to make a bigger inpact. Unfortunately, Kommodus was supposed to stay alive and Caius killed. Heh.
Thanks for that, GH! :stare:
Well it's more how I used to play till townie started to bore me. It's no secret that I much prefer being mafia. I bet Holmes would pick up some differences there, I'm curious what Kommo has to say.
Meh. Looking over the final numbers, there were a couple of small clues in there... but I can't know if I'd have noticed them or not. The interpretation of the results Holmes provides can be tricky, and unfortunately, I never really tried it in this game. No real excuses - just too dang lazy.
CountArach
04-02-2007, 04:08
And we thank you for your laziness :bow:
GG guys!
pevergreen
04-02-2007, 10:22
I had no suspicion of CA. Until Sasaki started posting like i thought he would.
I've picked a few mafia in the last few games, but i lack the attacking ability to take them out.
I provoked Sasake into changing his patterns, and if he went back to how he was, it was clear he was mafia, since the innocent result, he was GF.
I was very happy to watch Roadkill be lynched. Even though he wasnt mafia, he was a terrible townsperson.
Not being mean but TOLD U SO
See no one listned to me, about CountArch....but instead well pwned RoadKill n a lynch.
Isnt the best way to end a game Roadkill. If you had of posted a convincing attack on CA, people might have listend, rather than your very scummy defense when you didnt need to.
Very good game mafia. Glad to see an Aussie in the winning ranks.
As for the town... thats the first total mafia victory isnt it? Bad town. :whip:
Omanes Alexandrapolites
04-02-2007, 16:40
All the way along I suspected Sasaki, however the investigation by the Detective dissuaded me from taking this path. CountArach, I just knew it all along, yet simply nobody would listen.
Ah well, great game Ichigo!
All the way along I suspected Sasaki, however the investigation by the Detective dissuaded me from taking this path. CountArach, I just knew it all along, yet simply nobody would listen.
Ah well, great game Ichigo!
Thanks!
RoadKill
04-02-2007, 23:13
@ PeverGreen, this is my first serious mafia game I have no idea how to act, it seems like everything i do makes me look like the mafia, lmfao
Sasaki Kojiro
04-02-2007, 23:16
Well Roadkill I didn't think you were mafia.
Well Roadkill I didn't think you were mafia.
Bad Sasaki :whip:
pevergreen
04-02-2007, 23:47
Well Roadkill I didn't think you were mafia.
:laugh4:
Sigged
CountArach
04-03-2007, 02:46
Well Roadkill I didn't think you were mafia.
:laugh3:
Great game Ichigo!
And did anyone notice my last vote there on Roadkill? Ignored every bit of evidence to distract you guys. I was going down for the team :laugh3:
RoadKill
04-03-2007, 03:13
Thats how you did it CountArch!! CURSE UUUUU
I've been wondering why this game turned out to be such an overwhelming victory for the mafia, but I can't seem to come too any conclusions.
Sasaki Kojiro
04-03-2007, 05:57
Random lynch
patsy
patsy
speed lynch
Not that hard.
Also, Kommo, GH, and Hughtower barely posted, pann and Seamus and myrd and you weren't playing, etc etc.
Random lynch
patsy
patsy
speed lynch
Not that hard.
Also, Kommo, GH, and Hughtower barely posted, pann and Seamus and myrd and you weren't playing, etc etc.
People have got to where they trust people too easily me thinks. :wall: I think everyone has gotten too used to me, Sasaki, and other people to start discussion, but that might just be me.:huh:
pevergreen
04-03-2007, 10:30
Its just too hard to attack a veteran player. I would have lynched Sasaki, but I dont have the skills to formulate an attack yet. Or a decent defense.
HughTower
04-03-2007, 10:50
After Mafia VI I realised the futility of interpreting peoples' actions & activity too closely during the first few rounds - it's the mid to end game where voting patterns become crucial & properly interpretable.
The number of people in this game were such that it seemed not to have a midgame - I think maybe 3 Mafia were too many - & that factor in combination with that lack of strong town leadership (despite AtC's best efforts) meant the Mafia were able to exert their dominance before anyone had time to think it through.
And, I'm sorry, Ichigo, but I'm extremely sceptical that Sasaki was chosen as GF 'randomly'. My gut instinct & the victims that were chosen all pointed to him; logically, however, I had to believe it was statistically unlikely to be him & therefore I ruled him out as a possibility until it was too late.
However, I am aware that this might all sound unintentionally sour, the fact of the matter is the Mafia played the perfect game & therefore won as easily as was possible. Well played again & thanks Ichigo for the hosting (& if my distrust is unfounded, I apologise unreservedly. See y'all in CN2.
@ PeverGreen, this is my first serious mafia game I have no idea how to act, it seems like everything i do makes me look like the mafia, lmfao
I changed my vote to you because you were doubting my detective reveal, which was so obvious a genuine reveal...
But before that I didn't think you were mafia, I was more suspicious of jabolko and CA, without having a particular reason, just a feeling about them. And then again, I have been wrong on several occasions when trusting said "feeling" or "guts" and thus I didn't feel confident anymore and I switched my vote to you, resulting in defeat... I failed the town because of lack of self-confidence I'm afraid. Sorry :shame:
During the last round, I was totally convinced Sasaki was innocent though :embarassed:
This is the second time I felt 100 % confident he was innocent. First time was in Capo, where he was guilty as well.
Next time I am convinced you are innocent, I'll try to get you lynched asap, you dirty Sasaki :furious3: :soapbox:
On a side note: it's a pity this game only produced 400 posts and at a crucial mid game phase, only 4 out of 12 players bothered to vote. Sad. Very sad :no:
After Mafia VI I realised the futility of interpreting peoples' actions & activity too closely during the first few rounds - it's the mid to end game where voting patterns become crucial & properly interpretable.
The number of people in this game were such that it seemed not to have a midgame - I think maybe 3 Mafia were too many - & that factor in combination with that lack of strong town leadership (despite AtC's best efforts) meant the Mafia were able to exert their dominance before anyone had time to think it through.
And, I'm sorry, Ichigo, but I'm extremely sceptical that Sasaki was chosen as GF 'randomly'. My gut instinct & the victims that were chosen all pointed to him; logically, however, I had to believe it was statistically unlikely to be him & therefore I ruled him out as a possibility until it was too late.
However, I am aware that this might all sound unintentionally sour, the fact of the matter is the Mafia played the perfect game & therefore won as easily as was possible. Well played again & thanks Ichigo for the hosting (& if my distrust is unfounded, I apologise unreservedly. See y'all in CN2.
I promise you that it was a 100% random that Sasaki was chosen as the GF. I put all your names in a hat and drew them out. I was really surprised that Sasaki was the first person drawn, so much so that I almost drew another name out of my hat, but I didn't think that would be fair.
The only drawing I messed up on was the Detective where I drew out Kommodus and Andres. So I had too redraw and Andres was picked.
The BusDriver role I gave too GH intentionally because I figured he'd like it. That is the only role that wasn't random besides of course the two mafioso's.
HughTower
04-03-2007, 23:26
I apologise unreservedly then.
:sorry2:
Damn that Sasaki fellow...
pevergreen
04-04-2007, 00:25
But Sasaki was pro-town in Capo!
Well more pro-town than pro-mafia.
He could have saved himself if he just made up some win conditions.
Crazed Rabbit
04-11-2007, 04:07
Sasaki Kojiro=Godfather
CountArach=Mafia Grunt
rdeče.jabolko=Mafia Grunt
I'm going to get you guys. But mainly you, Sasaki. :angry:
Eventually, I'll be mafia, and there shall be a terrible reckoning!
CR
Sasaki Kojiro
04-11-2007, 04:08
btw CR, we did kill you because of your "never lies" thing...
Crazed Rabbit
04-11-2007, 16:16
I know, I read your guy's chat log thingy.
:angry:
Crazed Rabbit
scotchedpommes
04-11-2007, 21:29
btw CR, we did kill you because of your "never lies" thing...
We did? I was oblivious.
CountArach
04-11-2007, 23:36
As was I...
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