What if? a MARVEL hero mod

[captain marvel]

Hello all. Im new to this community but I have been playing around with RTW and modding for some time. Reading your post i came up with this idea: please keep in mind that all is ypothetical, nothing of what i say has anything to do with real facts because if that was the case all im saying would be not legal. Please read and try to follow me on this.
What would you say if someone had this crazy idea to do a Marvel Comics mod? Of course this is not that case because if someone wanted to do such a mod he or she should have permission by marvel headquarters and i havent contacted Marvel yet. In case i do in the future and receive permission all goes well. If not...well what if this mod would be a non commercial and not public mod? What if it never went public and stayed a project between the members of the mod. Then it wouldnt be illegal i believe, right? Anyway, what if i ypothetically told you that the gameplay of this mod could be that for example Beyonder came to Earth and challenged the most powerful beings to one more crossover. What if the teams (factions) were:

1. Avengers
Thor
Iron Man
Wasp
Captain America
Hawkeye
Scarlet Witch
Goliath
Hercules
Ms. Marvel
Black Panther
Vision
Black Widow
Beast
Wonder Man
Tigra

2. X-Men
Professor Xavier
Iceman
Angel
Beast
Cyclops
Marvel Girl
Polaris
Wolverine
Gambit
Bishop
Havoc
Psylocke
Storm
Colossus
Rogue

3. New Mutants
Boomer
Cable
Magma
Cannonball
Magik
Warpath
Sunspot
Mirage
Karma
Wolfsbane
Warlock
Rictor
Shatterstar

4. Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
Magneto
Toad
Quicksilver
Scarlet Witch
Sabretooth
Mastermind
Blob
Unus
Lorelei
Mystique
Avalanche
Destiny
Pyro
Rogue
Blob
Juggernaut

5. Imperial Guard
Gladiator
Electron
Tempest
Oracle
Starbolt
Smasher
Astra
Hobgoblin
Mentor
Quasar
Titan
Magic
Nightside
Impulse
Fang
Hussar
Manta

6. Fantastic Four
Mr Fantastic
Invisible Woman
Thing
Human Torch
Ms. Marvel
She Hulk
Crystal

7. Squadron Supreme
Hyperion
Nighthawk
Whizzer
Doctor Spectrum
Tom Thumb
Lady Lark
Golden Archer
Condor
Amphibion
Arcanna
Nuke
Power Princess

8. Zodiac
Taurus
Capricorn
Aquarius
Pisces
Aries
Gemini
Cancer
Leo
Virgo
Libra
Scorpio
Sagittarius

9. Hulk & co.
Hulk
U-Foes (Ironclad, Vapor, Vector, X-Ray)
Rhino
She-Hulk
Doc. Sampson
Doctor Strange
Silver Surfer
Valkurie
Namor
Abomination

10. OlympiansZeus
Hera
Pluto
Neptune
Ares
Apollo
Artemis
Athena
Venus
Hermes
Vesta
Hephaestus
Hyppolyta
Hercules

11. Spider Man & co.
Spider Man
Beetle
Boomerang
Chameleon
Doctor Octopus
Electro
Green Goblin
Hammerhead
Hydro-Man
Lizard
Sandman
Scorpion
Shocker
Tombstone
Venom
Vulture

12. Masters of Evil
Absorbing Man
Baron Zemo
Blackout
Blizzard
Bulldozer
Constrictor
Cyclone
Enchantress
Executioner
Grey Gargoyle
Jackhammer
Klaw
Machinesmith
Melter
Mister Hyde
Moonstone
Piledriver
Radioactive Man
Slyde
Thunderball
Tiger Shark
Titania
Whirlwind
Wrecker
(some will have to go)

13. Asgardians
Thor
Odin
Loki
Balder
Heimdall
Sif
Frigga
Sigyn
Tyr
Frey
Hermod
Idynn
Volla
Hela
Hogun
Fandral
Volstagg
Karnilla

14. Kree
Mar-Vell
Supreme Intelligence
Ronan
Sentry 459
Kree private
Kree Lieutenant
Kree Captain
Kree Major
Kree Colonel
Kree General
(maybe some more)

15. Skrulls
(hmm needs some research, but some will be picked from this list:
Lyja, Kl'rt (Super-Skrull), De'Lila, Skrulls of Kral, Paibok the Power Skrull, Prime Skrull, Velmax (Effigy of the First Line), Prime Ten, Skrull X, S'Byll, Emperor Dorrek (deceased), R'klll (deceased), Princess Anelle (deceased), Shaper of Worlds, Talos the Tamed, Titannus, Xavin, Raksor, R'kin, Dorrek III, Baroness S'Bak

16. Atlanteans
Namor
Dorma
Attuma
Byrrah
Vashti
Namorita
Krang
Tyrack
Seth
Ikthon
Lorvex
Kormok
Thakos
Coral
Raman
Arkus
Madoxx
Volpan
(some will have to go)

17. Inhumans
Medusa
Gorgon
Black Bolt
Triton
Karnak
Lockjaw
Maximus
Crystal
Aireo
Leonus
Timberius
Stallior
Falcona
Iridia
Thraxton
Nadar
Marak
Glytra
(some will have to go)

Well what if someone told you that he can model all those units, the buildings and more. In this ypothetical situation (always) would you help him? Would you ypothetically assist with the creation of new animations, the scripting, the map (which could ypothetically be completely fictional) and the general gameplay? What if that someone made a mod for B.I. but keeping in mind that M2TW may be modable soon and matters of transferring this mod to M2TW should be taken under consideration?
What would you say to some guy ypothetically asking you about sth like that?

[wlesmana]

As a comic book fan, seeing an army of Captain Americas punching an army of Cyclopses in the face looks more like a joke mod than a serious one.

You should also have The Falcon and his bird can be his projectile :D

[Dol Guldur]

This forum is for mods in development - you should post in the Mod Discussion subforum.

I would recommend posting in the Mod Ideas thread here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=81505


Welcome!

[Makanyane]

Welcome to the forum captain marvel, as Dol Guldur said this thread really belongs in Mod Discussion, so I've moved it out of the Forge.

Hopefully you'll get some constructive feedback in here. Also do have a look through some of the previous discussions on mod ideas. The issue of copyright has been raised a few times, as has the amount of time it takes to make new units for a lot of factions.

Good luck with your project :2thumbsup:

[Bwian]

I can see a few issues with this... but honestly....nothing that couldn't be overcome. You might be better off having limited units of actual Superhero's with small numbers of powerful soldiers ( like elephant units...not many but lethal! ) and make up the bulk of the cannon fodder as 'avatar' soldiers. Dressed in the correct colours, but not actually superhero powerful.

That way, you could have a small unit of Cyclops fire-beaming a load of peasants carrying Captain America shields and banners. Gives you far more opportunity to see units being blasted about by very powerful warriors, and makes it a little easier to cope with the quantity of Superhero's.

Just a thought ... and it reduces the amount of model variations you are going to need to really flesh out the thing.

[meliritos]

I would help to such a mod, whether you get permission from Marvel and you go public with that or you dont and you keep it to ourselves. I dont see why one shouldnt combine ones love for comics and RTW as a game.Contact me whenever you want

[captain marvel]

Thank you all for your remarks. Wlesmana my friend im a comics book fan also, thats why i wanted to start such a mod, too bad you couldnt see that. I wish there was a fighting moddable game for PC, like Tekken or Soulblade but moddable, where i could put characters in game and make them fight against eachother. But since i played RTW for a while and understand the modding structure of the game i thought i could give it a go. To tell you the truth RTW is not the perfect game i wanted to model Marvel characters for, because of the low low-poly limit of the game. But i will give it a try. I can do it myself you know but it will take a looooot of time. I thought i could get some help to get it over done faster, lets say by the end of this century. Anyway if you have any remarks keep posting

P.S. If you know a nice 1v1 fighting moddable game any suggestions will be appreciated

[wlesmana]

There is a free 2D fighting game engine. I can't remember the name right now but it's there, fairly simple to use and all you need are the character sprites. Many people have combined other fighting game character on this free engine. Sub-Zero versus Spiderman? Sol Badguy versus Megaman? Godzilla versus Segata Sanshiro? Can be done. Ever seen a pink Chevy (the car!) fighting Captain America? Yea, it can be that ridiculous.

For 3D, I don't think there is one, except the old 'make your own 3D fighting game' thing on Playstation1. Maybe they got a PS2 version.

[meliritos]

and you could play unreal tournament....

[captain marvel]

i need a 3d game, we live in 2007 i believe not the 80s. Anyway thanks wlesmana but ill stick with RTW. And Meliritos thanks for the suggestion

[Bwian]

What about the Battlefield 1942 / Battlefield Vietnam / Battlefield 2 series of games. Might suit the idea quite well. You can have a lot more missile based combat...but I don't really know how well it would do powerful hand-to-hand combat.

The earlier series has a very mature set of tools and is pretty well documented. BF2 is a lot more complex to mod, but is graphically a lot prettier.

You don't, of course, have all the tactical and strategic things that RTW has to offer!

[wlesmana]

Or Dawn of War if you want to go strategic. It has individual units, special abilities and even killing blow animations. You can make Wolverine sliced up the enemy as the killing blow.

[captain marvel]

ok, i finalised the list of units.
Here it goes:

1. Avengers
1. Thor
2. Iron Man
3. Wasp
4. Captain America
5. Hawkeye
6. Scarlet Witch
7. Goliath
8. Hercules
9. Black Knight
10. Black Panther
11. Vision
12. Black Widow
13. Beast
14. Wonder Man
15. Tigra

2. X-Men
1. Professor Xavier
2. Iceman
3. Angel
4. Beast
5. Cyclops
6. Marvel Girl
7. Polaris
8. Wolverine
9. Gambit
10. Bishop
11. Havoc
12. Psylocke
13. Storm
14. Colossus
15. Rogue

3. Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
1. Magneto
2. Toad
3. Quicksilver
4. Scarlet Witch
5. Sabretooth
6. Blob
7. Unus
8. Lorelei
9. Mystique
10. Avalanche
11. Destiny
12. Pyro
13. Rogue
14. Blob
15. Juggernaut

4. Imperial Guard
1. Gladiator
2. Electron
3. Tempest
4. Oracle
5. Starbolt
6. Smasher
7. Astra
8. Hobgoblin
9. Mentor
10. Quasar
11. Titan
12. Magic
13. Nightside
14. Impulse
15. Fang
16. Hussar
17. Manta

5. Fantastic Four & co.
1. Mr Fantastic
2. Invisible Woman
3. Thing
4. Human Torch
5. Ms. Marvel
6. She Hulk
7. Crystal
8. Mole-Man
9. Doctor Doom
10. Super Skrull

6. Squadron Supreme
1. Hyperion
2. Nighthawk
3. Whizzer
4. Doctor Spectrum
5. Tom Thumb
6. Lady Lark
7. Golden Archer
8. Condor
9. Amphibion
10. Arcanna
11. Nuke
12. Power Princess

7. Hulk & Friends
1. Hulk
2. Ironclad
3. Vapor
4. Vector
5. X-Ray
6. Rhino
7. She-Hulk
8. Doc. Sampson
9. Doctor Strange
10. Silver Surfer
11. Valkurie
12. Namor
13. Abomination
14. The Leader

8. Spider Man & friends
1. Spider Man
2. Beetle
3. Boomerang
4. Chameleon
5. Doctor Octopus
6. Electro
7. Green Goblin
8. Hammerhead
9. Hydro-Man
10. Lizard
11. Mysterio
12. Sandman
13. Scorpion
14. Shocker
15. Venom
16. Vulture

9. Masters of Evil
1. Absorbing Man
2. Baron Zemo
3. Blackout
4. Blizzard
5. Bulldozer
6. Constrictor
7. Enchantress
8. Executioner
9. Grey Gargoyle
10. Klaw
11. Machinesmith
12. Melter
13. Moonstone
14. Piledriver
15. Radioactive Man
16. Thunderball
17. Tiger Shark
18. Titania
19. Whirlwind
20. Wrecker

10. Asgardians
1. Thor
2. Odin
3. Loki
4. Balder
5. Heimdall
6. Sif
7. Tyr
8. Hela
9. Hogun
10. Hermod
11. Fandral
12. Volstagg
13. Karnilla

11. Olympians
1. Zeus
2. Hera
3. Pluto
4. Neptune
5. Ares
6. Apollo
7. Artemis
8. Athena
9. Venus
10. Vesta
11. Hermes
12. Hephaestus
13. Hercules

12. Kree
1. Supreme Intelligence
2. Ronan
3. Mar-Vell
4. Sentry 459
5. Korath the Pursuer
6. Zarek
7. Falkon
8. Tallon
9. Supremor
10. Ultimus
11. Kree General
12. Kree Colonel
13. Kree Captain
14. Kree Lieutenant
15. Kree private

13. Atlanteans
1. Namor
2. Attuma
3. Byrrah
4. Vashti
5. Namorita
6. Krang
7. Seth
8. Andromeda
9. Orka

14. Inhumans
1. Medusa
2. Gorgon
3. Black Bolt
4. Triton
5. Karnak
6. Lockjaw
7. Maximus
8. Crystal
9. Aireo
10. Leonus
11. Timberius
12. Stallior
13. Falcona

15. New Mutants
1. Boomer
2. Cable
3. Magma
4. Cannonball
5. Magik
6. Warpath
7. Sunspot
8. Mirage
9. Karma
10. Wolfsbane
11. Warlock
12. Rictor
13. Shatterstar

16. Zodiac
1. Taurus
2. Capricorn
3. Aquarius
4. Pisces
5. Aries
6. Gemini
7. Cancer
8. Leo
9. Virgo
10. Libra
11. Scorpio
12. Sagittarius

Up to faction 9 will be my first release, the rest will be the second release. This mod will remain not public until i get a permit from Marvel comics group. Just wanted to let you know what im working on, and asking some help with animations. Thank you all

[meliritos]

An impressive list, but thats some 200+ units. You really need help with the units...

[captain marvel]

Thats true. I could use all the help you can give me, especially if some of you can take care of the map and the animations to start with...

[Geoffrey S]

I'd have thought something like this would be well-suited to Warcraft III.

[Jubal_Barca]

I would say the obvious thing to do here is to make it on a small unit size.

[wlesmana]

I personally would like to see Professor Xavier running over Iron Man in his wheelchair. I mean, 60 Professor Xaviers running over Iron Men on their deadly wheelchairs. The chariot can work as a wheelchair.

[captain marvel]

I personally would like to see Professor Xavier running over Iron Man in his wheelchair. I mean, 60 Professor Xaviers running over Iron Men on their deadly wheelchairs. The chariot can work as a wheelchair.

He, he hilarious, absolutely hilarious. Keep them coming. Oh by the way the Xaviers will be like 20 but apart from that that is a very important suggestion. And imagine that the city walls could be breached by a simple frrrrt from 40 Hulks.

[wlesmana]

Spiderman army beating up each other against Batman army:
https://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3747/spidey2li5.th.jpg (https://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidey2li5.jpg)

It's hilarious!

[Roman_Man#3]

Did you make those Wlesmana? good job, lol

oh, and if you have spiderman, you should make an animation where we jumps really high, to represent his swinging abilites. Like in vanilla RTW, where most units jumped in the attack, just do that but make the jump higher.

[captain marvel]

Wlesmana that was nice, i mean graphically speaking. But one must change the animations to get a perfect result. I have a suggestion to make. Since you are a comics book fun you can participate and check that everything is according to your standards...

[Ossie The Great]

Spiderman army beating up each other against Batman army:
https://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3747/spidey2li5.th.jpg (https://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidey2li5.jpg)

It's hilarious!

Looks very cool .

It looks simlar to video game total war