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Ja'chyra
03-23-2007, 14:06
In an effort to lighten up the backroom I propose to host a poll where we can all agree that Sean Connery is the best Bond in the world, ever.
In the interests of going through the motions I have even included the poll, although there was really no point. So, go ahead and vote for Sean.
Tie between Craig and Moore, Moore made Bond funny, as spy movies should be, and Craig makes it more dark, the guy looks like a predator. Completily different types of Bonds, both awesome.
Bond films = rubbish.
:logic:
Gregoshi
03-23-2007, 14:22
Epoxy
Seriously, I think Connery is my favourite. I like Moore too but he got a little too over-the-top with the one-liners time went on. I didn't care for Dalton at all. Brosnan seems pretty good but I don't think I've seen one of his Bond movies in its entirety yet. I haven't seen Craig yet to judge him yet. Lazenby was awful - he was so anti-Bond it was painful to watch.
Sean Connery IS Bond...period.
Having said that I was very pleasantly surprised with Craig´s movie... I think he can make 007´s movies relevant again...with they haven´t been for a very long time.
Big King Sanctaphrax
03-23-2007, 15:44
Nobody will ever be able to surpass Sean Connery as James Bond, I'm afraid. He had exactly the right look, and the correct mix of wit, charm and danger.
Roger Moore was clearly the worst. By quite some margin.
Sean Connery is the one and only real James Bond.
Roger Moore was the worst but also the most hilarious Bond, and thus he is second on my personal list :grin:
I marked down both Connery and Craig. I agree that Connery is the greatest and he defined what Bond is in the first place. That said, I was so blown away by Casino Royale that I've got high hopes for Craig. He's not better than Connery, but he has potential to be great. It's almost not fair to even compare them because they actually play different versions of Bond. Connery is hands down the best of the 'original' Bonds and since we've only had one 'new Bond' movie, there's not much area to allow comparisons. I think the true test will be whether we end up liking the 'old' or 'new' Bond character better. Only time will tell.
English assassin
03-23-2007, 16:04
I voted for Timothy Dalton because he is English and not Roger Moore. And if he had had good films instead of that unfortunate dalliance with being a bit PC he might have been quite good.
No, ok then, he wouldn't. It's Sean Connery fair enough.
BTW has anyone else noticed Timothy Dalton looks exactly like Chris de Burgh? And you never see them in the same room do you? :inquisitive:
Still wish they had given Michael Caine a crack at it... go on, you know it would have been right.
Banquo's Ghost
03-23-2007, 16:18
Still wish they had given Michael Caine a crack at it... go on, you know it would have been right.
Works for me:
*exploding volcano, spaceships crashing, thousands of evil minions dying*
"You're only supposed to blow the :daisy: doors off!"
:yes:
Haven't seen the latest, so I don't know how Craig did, but it's got to be Sean for the win!
Somebody Else
03-23-2007, 16:45
David Niven.
Rodion Romanovich
03-23-2007, 17:02
Not even a fair poll - Sean Connery IS Bond, the others are just imitators :wink:
Blodrast
03-23-2007, 17:32
I'm torn between Connery and Moore. So I voted both.
Yes, Connery is by all means the first Bond, and he defined it, as a poster above me said - all absolutely true. And he was a phenomenal Bond.
But Moore was damned good, too, imho - he had style, he had class. He felt so at home in the part, that it made you feel that that's what he'd been really doing every day of his life, for the previous x years. He had charm, he had charisma - Connery didn't yet, at that point in time, had the aristocratic bearing that he got later on. Somehow, I found that fitting for a Bond.
The others - meh. Brosnan is sooooo fake and over the top for me, he makes me retch.
Lazenby - for some reason I felt he fit the part as a right shoe fits the left foot. Of a platypus.
Now, I liked Craig as an actor, in other movies. Haven't seen Casino Royale yet.
But my feeling is that people give him way too much credit for one single performance. I'm not saying he won't be a great Bond. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. But I don't think it's fair to make any decision based on ONE movie... If he proves he can keep doing it, consistently, over 10 years or more, like Connery and Moore did it, excellent. Until he makes a few more movies, I'll hold judgment, and until then he doesn't even qualify for a potential "greatest Bond".
Crazed Rabbit
03-23-2007, 17:37
I think Connery's the best, but I voted Craig as I didn't want Moore to be tied for second. The man was actually afraid of guns, and his Bond took up predictable one liners in lieu of being tough in a fight. Plus, he stayed on too long.
Caine would have been interesting.
Crazed Rabbit
Gregoshi
03-23-2007, 17:40
Okay, who voted for Lazenby? Caravel??? :inquisitive:
Blodrast
03-23-2007, 17:45
I think Connery's the best, but I voted Craig as I didn't want Moore to be tied for second. The man was actually afraid of guns, and his Bond took up predictable one liners in lieu of being tough in a fight. Plus, he stayed on too long.
Caine would have been interesting.
Crazed Rabbit
Rabbit, dammit, don't counter-vote, just vote! :whip: ~;)
Did you know you could vote multiple options at the same time, btw ? I didn't, but TinCow mentioned it so I gave it a try, and, shockingly, it worked!
Banquo's Ghost
03-23-2007, 17:51
But Moore was damned good, too, imho - he had style, he had class. He felt so at home in the part, that it made you feel that that's what he'd been really doing every day of his life, for the previous x years. He had charm, he had charisma - Connery didn't yet, at that point in time, had the aristocratic bearing that he got later on. Somehow, I found that fitting for a Bond.
Problem being, James Bond was not an aristocrat. Connery was much closer to the amoral brute that Fleming wrote about - stylish and charismatic yes, but a killer.
Roger Moore was in his element as the Saint - a gentleman amateur. He tried to make Bond into the same mould, and ended up as a caricature.
Lazenby had one thing going for him - he looks very like Hoagy Carmichael, the man that Fleming wrote looked most like Bond.
Crazed Rabbit
03-23-2007, 18:11
Rabbit, dammit, don't counter-vote, just vote! :whip: ~;)
Did you know you could vote multiple options at the same time, btw ? I didn't, but TinCow mentioned it so I gave it a try, and, shockingly, it worked!
Ha-ha, tis 5 to 3 in favor of Craig over Moore! As well it should be.
As it is, I didn't know about multiple voting. It's not like Connery is going to have to worry, though.
Crazed Rabbit
Louis VI the Fat
03-23-2007, 18:23
Roger Moore ftw!
A James Bond movie is most fun if it is unpretentious, lighthearted. It should all be a bit tongue-in-cheek, the way Roger Moore played him. A Bond shouldn't be too dangerous, violent, or physical. That belongs to another genre of movies in which I'm not at all interested.
Maybe Connery was the right Bond for the 1960's, when Bond movies were more realistic by the standards of their day. But personally I think eigthies Bond movies are the best. Nobody can deliver all those puns quite like Roger Moore. And he's the most 'English' of them all.
I don't think Michael Caine would've worked. I don't see a Bond in him at all. Harrisson Ford would've been great. He's perhaps too American in the end, but I would so enjoy a cross between Indiana Jones and James Bond.
Also, I think 1960's Alain Delon would've been the most perfect Bond ever:
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Big King Sanctaphrax
03-23-2007, 18:33
A Frenchman as Bond?
:laugh4:
Pannonian
03-23-2007, 18:49
Should have had the actual Bond Fleming had in mind, Christopher Lee.
Sasaki Kojiro
03-23-2007, 18:54
Sean was good, but craig really manages to seem dangerous as bond.
Brosnan was good but they kept making the scripts more and more ridiculous and turned the movies into a farce. Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies were good though (although if it weren't for the later movies I would say their plots were overdoing it).
Big King Sanctaphrax
03-23-2007, 18:56
I really rated Brosnan, he's second behind Connery for me: he made Bond cool again, and Goldeneye is one of my favourite Bond films. It's just a shame he didn't have more as good as that to show what he could do.
scotchedpommes
03-23-2007, 19:10
No-one can rezhisht the loossh teeshth, eeh?
Can't say I'm a big fan of the series, and haven't seen the latest one, although I
am curious to see how it turned out with Craigy boy. If it came down to Moore
vs. Sean though, as it often does, I think I'd have to go for Sean.
[As difficult as that is for me to say.]
For myself, it's Connery in first place, with Brosnan a close second.
If Bond is supposed to be the charming & amoral killer as described by Banquo's Ghost (a description I largely agree with), then Brosnan is clear the best after Connery. I also agree with BKS and Sasaki -- it's a pity we never got see more Brosnan movies, as his acting abilities were wasted on The World is Not Enough and Die Another Day. While I did enjoy both films, I doubt any amount of acting ability on Pierce's part could have made up for the awful writing. :no:
By the way, I have to say that I was wrong in thinking that Dalton was the worst Bond. By an ironic coincidence, I just watched Her Majesty's Secret Service for the first time last night. Having done so, I can now state without any doubts that Lazenby clearly deserves the title of Worst Bond Ever. :thumbsdown:
Adrian II
03-25-2007, 01:18
Problem being, James Bond was not an aristocrat. Connery was much closer to the amoral brute that Fleming wrote about - stylish and charismatic yes, but a killer.Your autopsy of Fleming's Bond is on the mark. But Connery didn't come even close to Fleming's Bond.
Connery's Bond was the ideal son-in-law, naughty yet never dangerous, and his movies were family entertainment, like all the other Bonds until Craig came along.
In Craig we finally have a protagonist with balls (and boy, are they put to the test...) and a lizard brain, the workings of which are fascinating to watch in his expressive face. He has the kind of face you simply have to look at. I think he makes Bond interesting and exciting to watch, more than fun and more than a display of special effects which used to be a forte of Bond series but have long become commonplace. Two minutes into Casino I had forgotten about my popcorn and soda; that opening sequence was so well done, so well photographed, so racey and violent and maddeningly absorbing, it made you think 'who the :daisy: is this guy?' and more importantly 'who's side is he on?'
That's what I call a movie. Craig it is.
Tribesman
03-25-2007, 01:54
David Niven.
:2thumbsup: And of course Woody Allen as wee Jimmy Bond .
Incongruous
03-25-2007, 02:27
They all seem completley un-bond, because they are all so completley un-english in their dress sense and choice of cars.
He should be wearing English suits and drive a Bentley.
But sisnce this will never happen, I have to say Craig is the only bond whom actually gives us a proper drama. Though that could be put down to the stiryline.:beam:
Sean Connery's the quintessential Bond. Daniel Craig was good in Casino Royale.
Adrian sums it up. Craig gives us Bond, the badass who shoves his feelings deep down, is dark, gritty, and gets the job done. I saw Casino 3 times in two days because of his performance. "Don't worry the second one is-" "Yes, considerably."
Blodrast
03-25-2007, 06:51
Right. So I've just watched Casino Royale.
In a nutshell, I was less than impressed.
As an action movie - good (not great, but pretty good).
As a Bond movie - less so.
Craig gives us Bond, the badass who shoves his feelings deep down, is dark, gritty, and gets the job done.
Ahem. If anything, this one was the cheesiest and mushiest in that sense. He is the only Bond that I can recall that quits his job (!) and gives in to a dame. Even more, he is played by her.
(If that was all a facade on his part, then I apologise for not paying attention to the movie, but to me his falling head over heels seemed quite authentic.)
Bond actually falling in love ? Meh. That is the counter essence of Bond.
The fighting scenes - I liked. I missed having some nifty gadgets - call em old-fashioned, but that was a significant part of what Bond means to me, a trademark of Bond movies, if you will.
You can always come and say "Well, this is the new Bond!" Very well then, please give me back my old one. :yes: And in that case, please don't call it Bond.
(I was also rather unimpressed with Eva Green as a Bond girl - no smoldering sensuality, no raw sexuality - but maybe I'm a simpleton and objectify women (or at least Bond girls), but this was about the male lead, so I won't take this any further).
Craig is definitely a good actor - I enjoyed him in other movies, as I believe I already said.
He doesn't, however, has the class that both Moore and Connery had. He's too much brute and unrefined, and too little the gentleman for me.
You say that's Fleming's Bond. Well, then I will admit that I liked better the Bond that Connery and Moore portrayed - if that was "further" from Fleming's Bond, then so be it.
In summary: Craig leads well a quite good action movie. For a Bond movie, though: too much purely physical action, too little subtlety, too much sentimentality (Bond in love!) instead of the charming seducer, and not enough... class, for my tastes.
And that is all it comes down to, in the end: one's taste. So if so many of you gentlemen enjoyed Craig, and prefer him as Bond, you're welcome to it. :bow:
I will retreat to watch the older ones for the n-th time. Except for the George Lazenby one.
PS. As a curiosity. I assume most of our older patrons who took part in this thread have seen most or all of the Bond movies, yes ?
I am curious about the younger ones, though, say, below 25 years of age or so. Erm, on the other hand, I wouldn't want to hijack this thread, either.
(I was introduced to them, as with so many others, by my father, when I was too young to have even heard of Bond, heh. But the reason I'm asking is that I have slightly younger friends who haven't really seen any older than the Brosnan ones...).
Sasaki Kojiro
03-25-2007, 07:17
I've seen the craig one, the 4 brosnan ones, goldfinger, and bits and pieces of the others (I'm 20). I didn't like the bits I saw of dalton/moore.
I'm sure people have written papers on bond and the cultural image of masculinity. I liked Brosnan's suave rich gentleman bond but craig is more athletic and rough and that's cool too. Maybe the writers decided to go with this as part of a metro-sexual movement backlash type thing.
Tribesman
03-25-2007, 08:41
They all seem completley un-bond, because they are all so completley un-english in their dress sense and choice of cars.
He should be wearing English suits and drive a Bentley.
Thats why it has to be David Niven .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxz8CLa13xM&mode=related&search=
The first Bond I saw was Pierce Brosnan, and that's probably why he is Bond for me, I learned to know Bond the way he portrays him, Connerx etc aren't bad, but I don't know why I should prefer them(I don't know all of them anyway).:inquisitive:
Where is GAH! when you need it :inquisitive:
Blodrast
03-25-2007, 17:31
The first Bond I saw was Pierce Brosnan, and that's probably why he is Bond for me, I learned to know Bond the way he portrays him, Connerx etc aren't bad, but I don't know why I should prefer them(I don't know all of them anyway).:inquisitive:
And this, I suspect, may have a lot to do with all our preferences - what we were introduced to first.
And, Husar, there's no reason to prefer one over the other; it's just whatever we all like, mate.:2thumbsup:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
03-25-2007, 17:41
I voted for Connery and Craig. Connery had class and charisma, and so does Craig, but in a completely different way. He has grit, and that's what I like about his movie.
My least favourite Bond would have to be Brosnan. I really didn't like his style. He didn't have the grit, and his attitudes during his movies just seemed to be plastered on. Goldeneye was the only movie of his I liked, and I believe that would've been infinitely better with someone like Connery in the room.
Connery, probably followed by Brosnan.
As much as I loathe Bond movies (or spy movies in general), I voted Connery 'cause he's still alright. Moore was a schmuck Bond. That new one I haven't seen yet, but I've read here and there that he's alright, so I'll have to check him out. All the other ones don't interest me.
Does a serious realistic (and still exciting) spy movie even exist? I haven't seen any, at least :P
Blodrast
03-25-2007, 18:25
As much as I loathe Bond movies (or spy movies in general), I voted Connery 'cause he's still alright. Moore was a schmuck Bond. That new one I haven't seen yet, but I've read here and there that he's alright, so I'll have to check him out. All the other ones don't interest me.
Does a serious realistic (and still exciting) spy movie even exist? I haven't seen any, at least :P
Spy Game is the first to come to mind.
KafirChobee
03-25-2007, 19:35
Sean, hands down. Prior to seeing "Goldfinger", I thought the hooplah was much ado about nothing. I was wrong. Even bought a sweatshirt with bold letters "PUSSY GALORE" - and Bond logo.
David Niven? Why not, the original Casino Royale is an excellent satire - gotta love Debra Kerr's role.
Sean without question. Let's see any of them other Bonds say, "Pussy Galore, I must be dreaming," without cracking up.
That said, Roger Moore gotta eat.
IrishArmenian
03-25-2007, 20:02
I've only seen those with Sean Connery. He is very good, I've seen an advertisement with the blonde haired man, he does look like he can hold his own in the advertisements.
However, I'd assume that with all others, the Bond movies are trash.
Sean Connery turned those movies from subpar, mindless action into gold.
Adrian II
03-25-2007, 20:14
Sean, hands down. Prior to seeing "Goldfinger", I thought the hooplah was much ado about nothing. I was wrong. Even bought a sweatshirt with bold letters "PUSSY GALORE" - and Bond logo.
David Niven? Why not, the original Casino Royale is an excellent satire - gotta love Debra Kerr's role.Thank heaven the .org is not representative of movie goers and reviewers the world over. :dizzy2:
Niven's Casino was a spoof of the other Bonds, which were all essentially spoofs of the original Bond character. Some (Niven) were very funny, some (Brosnan) weren't bad, but they were all fundamentally corny, a coat-hanger for girls, gadgets and gizmos and a couple of lame misogynist jokes. Badly written, badly timed and cut, badly photographed. Only the music scores under some were really good.
Daniel Craig is the first Bond with a body, the first who doesn't look like his own stand-in. That's why they showed him being 'born' as a '00' in this first movie, yet without losing the sense of humour or the occasional well-chosen self-reference that is proper to the genre.
Bartender: 'Shaken or stirred, Sir?'
Bond: 'Do I look like I give a damn?'
Evil_Maniac From Mars
03-25-2007, 20:17
As much as I loathe Bond movies (or spy movies in general), I voted Connery 'cause he's still alright. Moore was a schmuck Bond. That new one I haven't seen yet, but I've read here and there that he's alright, so I'll have to check him out. All the other ones don't interest me.
Does a serious realistic (and still exciting) spy movie even exist? I haven't seen any, at least :P
I quite liked the Bourne movies. If you haven't seen them, I'd definately give it a try.
Jubilation T Cornpone
03-25-2007, 21:32
Spy Kids beat Bond hands down.....er, unless they actually end up in a room together and Bond has a gun.....
I quite liked the Bourne movies. If you haven't seen them, I'd definately give it a try.
Ah yes, Jason Bourne is quite cool, wasn't there a third part in the works or has that been cancelled?
Incongruous
03-25-2007, 21:52
No no, I believe it is out this year.:2thumbsup:
ajaxfetish
03-25-2007, 23:18
They all seem completley un-bond, because they are all so completley un-english in their dress sense and choice of cars.
He should be wearing English suits and drive a Bentley.
How is an Aston Martin less English than a Bentley?
Ajax
Adrian II
03-25-2007, 23:56
How is an Aston Martin less English than a Bentley?
AjaxIt doesn't break down every other day.
Conradus
03-26-2007, 20:20
I voted Daniel Craig, Casino Royal is the best Bond film ever .period.
And though I liked both Sean Connery and Roger Moore (with a slight preference to Moore) and even liked Brosnan's acting, I loathed Timothy Dalton. Did he act in more then one Bond? And I can't even remember the other actor, Connery has pushed him from my memory. Was he in 'In her majesty's secret service'?
Blodrast
03-26-2007, 20:24
Yes, George Lazenby, and you got it right. And yes, he was more than forgettable.
How is an Aston Martin less English than a Bentley?It doesn't break down every other day.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/snap.jpg
Gregoshi
03-26-2007, 20:57
Yes, George Lazenby, and you got it right. And yes, he was more than forgettable.
And yet somebody here voted for him. The only way I can justify that in my mind that the Lazenby vote is a "Gah!" vote since the poll is missing one. :no:
It doesn't break down every other day.
Lol heard of that before, the Bang & Olufsen of cars :beam:
Adrian II
03-27-2007, 10:11
Lol heard of that before, the Bang & Olufsen of cars :beam:Well haha. But since you're a movie buff, Fragony, what's your take on the Bonds?
(struck a nerve with the B&O huh, we call it 'brengen & ophalen')
My favorite bondmovie is Goldfinger, but my favorite Bond is Moore. Connery is just too slick, and connery is connery whatever role he plays, boring. Moore made Bond funny, he does the oneliners best.
Ja'chyra
03-27-2007, 10:46
And yet somebody here voted for him. The only way I can justify that in my mind that the Lazenby vote is a "Gah!" vote since the poll is missing one. :no:
The vote is deliberately missing the Gah option as there is only one real answer :2thumbsup:
Kekvit Irae
03-27-2007, 10:51
Spongebob Squarepants, hands down.
Adrian II
03-27-2007, 11:40
My favorite bondmovie is Goldfinger, but my favorite Bond is Moore.Meh. Go see Craigy first.
Kralizec
03-27-2007, 11:42
Casino Royale is the only recent Bond movie that I'm actually interested in seeing. No more far-fetched gadgets that by some coincidence happen to be perfectly applicant to whatever situation Bond ends up in!
Meh. Go see Craigy first.
Excellent Bond as well, he comes second. There is something about that guys eyes, something predatory, he was great in Munich as well.
Ahem. If anything, this one was the cheesiest and mushiest in that sense. He is the only Bond that I can recall that quits his job (!) and gives in to a dame. Even more, he is played by her.
(If that was all a facade on his part, then I apologise for not paying attention to the movie, but to me his falling head over heels seemed quite authentic.)
Bond actually falling in love ? Meh. That is the counter essence of Bond.
Are you serious? Bond was actually married in both the books and the movies and was totally devastated by the death of his wife. Saying that falling in love is the "counter essence of Bond" shows you don't know Bond at all.
Regarding the job, he also quits his job in the horrible film License to Kill and again in the pseudo-Bond film/remake Never Say Never Again.
Blodrast
03-27-2007, 17:03
Are you serious? Bond was actually married in both the books and the movies and was totally devastated by the death of his wife. Saying that falling in love is the "counter essence of Bond" shows you don't know Bond at all.
Regarding the job, he also quits his job in the horrible film License to Kill and again in the pseudo-Bond film/remake Never Say Never Again.
Never read the books, but seen all the movies (several times), except for the Pierce Brosnan ones, which I didn't comment on. I do have a lousy memory, though, so maybe that's why I can't remember the wife detail - which I still don't. What movie was he married in ? What movie does his wife die in ?
Ah, License To Kill - Timothy Dalton - no wonder I can't recall him quitting his job - I hated Dalton as much as Lazenby.
You may want to note that in License to Kill he quits precisely so that he can avenge his friends - which is quite a bit different from quitting so that he can do the dirty with a broad... He quits so he can continue killing, not so he can become a housewife. See the difference ?
As for Never Say Never Again, my impression was that the 00 section was dismantled, not that he chose to quit his job. And not over a woman...
Wiki says:
A new M is now in office, one who sees little use for the 00-section. In fact, Bond has spent most of his recent time teaching, rather than doing, a fact he points out with some resentment.
.....
M reluctantly reactivates the 00 section, and Bond is assigned the task of...
Being "fired" and quitting doesn't seem the same thing to me.
So for you, the fact that out of some 21 or 22 movies, he falls in love once, but doesn't fall in love the other 20 times, makes it "typical" for Bond to fall in love ? Same with the wife... he has a wife in what, 1 movie ?
And, of course, that's typical Bond then, is it ? The other 20 times when he doesn't have a wife, well, we can just discard them.
He also gets married in "In Her Majesty's Secret Service", both in the movie and the book. Wife gets whacked at the end.
Blodrast
03-27-2007, 17:24
He also gets married in "In Her Majesty's Secret Service", both in the movie and the book. Wife gets whacked at the end.
Right, thank you for the clarification. drone. That makes it twice with a wife, and 20 times without one. Still pretty easy for me to decide what's typical for Bond and what isn't.
It's a fair comment that the other 20 films are like that, but Ian Fleming's books aren't. The death of his wife is a major theme in them and he's bothered by it for a long time.
My point isn't that Bond falls in love with every woman he meets, but that he's a human being like the rest of us and subject to normal emotions. I agree that it wouldn't make sense for the Brosnan Bond to fall in love simply because he's done it, experienced loss, and probably will never open himself up again. Keep in mind though that Casino Royale is a prequel. This is a Bond who's never slept with all the women we've seen in the other movies. He's never been married and never lost his wife. If anything, the loss of the love interest in Casino Royale seems to me to be a very good basis behind his womanizing in the later movies.
If the next Craig film has him going head-over-heels again, I will fully agree with you. However, I think the Craig version was totally in-character for Bond at that point in his life.
Blodrast
03-27-2007, 19:16
True, it's a complicated situation, considering the peculiar status of Casino Royale, which is a prequel, indeed, but has been made before, aaaaand there's a difference of 40 years (real time) between the two movies ... :dizzy2:
ajaxfetish
03-27-2007, 19:58
I wouldn't even call it a 'prequel.' Maybe a 'parallelquel,' or a 'separatequel,' or something along those lines. ('renaissancequel'?)
Ajax
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