View Full Version : Now THAT'S a heroic victory!
Agent Smith
03-24-2007, 17:49
Anyone else have a battle like this? Seems kind of ridiculous, but I think the lesson of the day is don't charge up a mountain with spear militia against two units of heavy cavalry :laugh4:
https://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m167/agentsmith952/heroic.jpg
zstajerski
03-24-2007, 18:57
hehe
great victory
it happenes alot though
i myself had a few weird battles when i was uphil (ontop off hill), the best was with longbowmen and some dfk...
first i placed stakes to cover the only way to me, then when battle started, i moved them back and placed my dfk behind the stakes...
i took out one ful and half of another stack with i think no losses or maybe some minor ones :smash:
Agent Smith
03-24-2007, 19:06
hehe
great victory
it happenes alot though
i myself had a few weird battles when i was uphil (ontop off hill), the best was with longbowmen and some dfk...
first i placed stakes to cover the only way to me, then when battle started, i moved them back and placed my dfk behind the stakes...
i took out one ful and half of another stack with i think no losses or maybe some minor ones :smash:
That's a good tactic. I wish Russia had access to Lithuanian Archers so I could do the same.
After this, I think I may take a few units of heavy cav and stick them right next to a mountain in enemy territory to enctice full stacks to charge up mountains against me. :idea2:
With my victory, I think it's funny that 75 spearmen and 49 heavy cav can hold over 700 men as prisoners...
King of Kings
03-24-2007, 19:20
Great win with i could get a victory like that.:2thumbsup:
But the uphill advance isnt bugged? You get bonus being on the lower side?
Fabiano
Agent Smith
03-24-2007, 20:52
But the uphill advance isnt bugged? You get bonus being on the lower side?
Fabiano
There is an uphill DISADVANTAGE. I was at the top, their 1,000 troops were at the bottom. :beam:
Doing the more powerful cavalry charge (single click) is devastating enough as it is, but the advantage of charging downhill was just too much. Using the cliffs on my left to protect from flanking, I would charge two units (which would only last a few seconds), rip them apart, run back, repeat.
There is an uphill DISADVANTAGE. I was at the top, their 1,000 troops were at the bottom. :beam:
Doing the more powerful cavalry charge (single click) is devastating enough as it is, but the advantage of charging downhill was just too much. Using the cliffs on my left to protect from flanking, I would charge two units (which would only last a few seconds), rip them apart, run back, repeat.
Thats is what i am talking. One of the bugs i read is that when you are up you get disvantage. If you charge downhill the units lower have advantage because of the bugged animation.
Fabiano
sbroadbent
03-24-2007, 22:19
I had a battle like that against the HRE. I had 4-5 units of cavalry, and they had many units of crossbows and a few dismounted feudal knights (or some other sword unit). Fortunately I didn't have to worry about having a bunch of long pointy sticks to deal with.
Ironically the HRE sent their crossbows in to get slaughtered first, followed up with their swords. I ended up avoiding the swords so I could take out their siege units, and then charged their swords from several directions.
Unfortunately my casualties were much higher...
Thats is what i am talking. One of the bugs i read is that when you are up you get disvantage. If you charge downhill the units lower have advantage because of the bugged animation.
Fabiano
Formed Charge effects aren't animation based strictly speaking, they just happen if the Cav in question hit somthing whilst charging, so this dosen't effect them, in any case I think that cav are unaffected even in normal fighting by it. They normally fight from a higher level than their ground based opponents anyway so they are barely effected.
https://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/flete1046/0012.jpg
Not quite as good on the kills/losses ratio, but the battlefield was pretty flat and I had fewer heavy cav.
FactionHeir
03-24-2007, 23:27
Its actually quite tough to pull off a formed charge when on a steep slope. Half the time the cav will only march into the enemy formation due to unit spread. And when they do charge, it is a weaker formed charge due to units still falling behind on the terrain.
Agent Smith
03-24-2007, 23:52
Not quite as good on the kills/losses ratio, but the battlefield was pretty flat and I had fewer heavy cav.
That is pretty darn good. Oddly enough, your kill/capture ratio was almost the complete opposite of mine. I guess I scared most of the enemy troops on some of my initial charges...
EDIT: I see, that was probably from the initial javelin throwing. I didn't realize that those were missile cav units.
TevashSzat
03-25-2007, 00:41
I remember doing something similar on custom battle. One mongol heavy horse archer full up verse 20 units of eagle warriors no up. Just ran circles around the eagle warriors charging in whenever a unit is seperated. Didn't get bogged down but charged through everything. Had only 3 losses when enemy got down to 50% casualties, but then had a bad charge and was down to 20 men. After 10min of more cafeful charging, enemy down to about 150 men, but then made a fatal error and was down to 5 men, but enemy captain was killed. That 5 men single handedly killed all 150 left since they would run so fast that the eagle warriors didn't even get a chance to swing at anything
edyzmedieval
03-25-2007, 00:46
Gaugamela's over Gaugamela's in M2TW. It's kind of weird, because you can slaughter thousands with just 2-3 units.
That is pretty darn good. Oddly enough, your kill/capture ratio was almost the complete opposite of mine. I guess I scared most of the enemy troops on some of my initial charges...
EDIT: I see, that was probably from the initial javelin throwing. I didn't realize that those were missile cav units.
IIRC, most of the kills actually came off of charges by my general. I'm pretty sure that I used the Jinetes javelins to take apart the general that was with the stack, while everything they had was chasing after my general. Since they were chasing my general, the faster infantry (6 or so units of pilgrims) began to seprate from the rest (merc spearment, huscarls, and DFKs) which is why I didn't get a chain rout.
Well, I dont' have any pics handy, but I've had a string of 20 losses/1-2k kills battles in both my HRE and Byz campaigns (the former knights against militia on every front - i was literally fighting every faction on the map, and the latter vards :grin2: )
GREAT victory ! I often have new generals running around by themselves for this purpose. Gold chevron bodyguards.. worth the hassle I think.
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