View Full Version : The Paris riot of this week
Louis VI the Fat
03-28-2007, 23:31
Seeing as how it generated some interest earlier today, here's the story of this week's riot (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/03/28/france.subway.clashes.reut/index.html) in Paris:
PARIS, France (AP) -- Rivals accused rightist presidential candidate Nicolas Sarkozy of worsening tension between youths and police on Wednesday after clashes at a Paris train station overnight.
Officials said Tuesday's confrontation at the Gare du Nord terminal began when police arrested a 33-year illegal immigrant who attacked staff when asked to show his ticket.
Youths at the station, a hub for trains to suburbs north of Paris, said police had manhandled the suspect. Shouting "Sarkozy hypocrite", hundreds of youths threw flower pots and bottles at police during unrest that lasted for several hours.
Police used teargas to disperse youths who smashed shop windows. Thirteen people were arrested.
Sarkozy confirmed his status as a law-and-order hardliner in riots that hit the poor suburbs around Paris and other French cities in 2005, and rivals were quick to blame him for fomenting a climate of hostility between youths and police.
Socialist officials said Tuesday's clashes were the legacy of the "provocative habits and language" of Sarkozy while its presidential candidate Segolene Royal said the violence highlighted Sarkozy's policy failures.
"In five years with a rightist government that has made security its main campaign issue, you can see that it's failure all down the line," Royal told Canal+ television.
Sarkozy, who stepped down as interior minister on Monday to focus on his campaign, justified the police action.
"I want to tell the French that I will not be on the side of fraudsters, cheats, dishonest people ... those who think that in order to get heard, they must demolish a train station and break public equipment paid for by taxpayers," he said.
Election looms
Francois Baroin, Sarkozy's successor as interior minister, said the man stopped by ticket inspectors was of Congolese origin and well-known to police.
After initially being dominated by economic questions, France's election campaign has increasingly come to focus on issues of security and immigration this month.
Centrist presidential hopeful Francois Bayrou, who trails Royal and Sarkozy in opinion polls, avoided criticizing Sarkozy by name, but said: "It's very important to end this climate of perpetual confrontation between police and some citizens."
The clashes came a week after police sparked an outcry by detaining a Paris teacher for several hours after she tried to prevent the arrest of an illegal immigrant near her school.
Le Monde daily said in an editorial both events highlighted the "climate of incomprehension" between police and some French.
Sarkozy has sought to soften the tough image he built up as "France's top policeman", meeting factory workers and quoting widely from poets in recent campaign speeches.
But critics say he remains a hate-figure for many in the neighborhoods hit by the 2005 riots, the worst in 40 years.And a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg33vQwq4uU&mode=related&search=) of it thrown in for good measure, albeit an altogether not very exiting one.
Ah well, it's all teh usual. The 'youths' this article speaks about, or those 'some citizens' of Bayrou and Le Monde, are euphemisms for 'North and West African young men'.
On the one hand, there is a brutal police force that deliberately singles out these *cough* youths. On the other, there is an enormous reservoir of angry young immigrant men, entirely disenfranchised, feared and socially ostracised by those who are neither immigrant, young, or men.Cause and result have become entirely entangled. I can see the point of both. French police really is amongst the most racist and brutal of western Europe. The police isn't and I don't want them to be naive, blacks and Arabs are so overrepresented in crime rates it's not funny anymore. Seventy to ninety percent of all crime is caused by fifteen percent of the population.
Then again, I'd really hate to be a young Arab and to be held guilty until proven innocent. It's humiliating.
Many Arabs, Africans live in the suburbs, in small, poor houses with large families. With ever present mothers who hardly venture outside and often unemployed, authoritarian fathers. Nothing really, that contributes to a healthy and happy family life. So the boys spend most of their time hanging out on the streets with their mates. Where inevitably cops will check them out on a regular base.
They simply mistrust all government institutions, refuse any authority- police, teachers, social norms. They despise society as much as society despises them.
Sometimes, all of this is combined with a surge in Islamic identity, internet Islamism, talk of Paristan, identification with the Palestinian intifada, a feeling that Muslims worldwide are surpressed by Jews, French, Americans, Russians. TThrow in a good deal of ignorance and semi-literacy and it's clear that any small spark will suffice to ignite the powder keg.
Today, one man being arrested for riding the metro without a ticket was enough to start yet another text-message intifada: ' Gare du Nord! Les feuks ('cops') are beating up a Muslim! Bring Ahmad, Yazid, Habib, Youssouf - quickly...'
That all of it today was started by a simple arrest of a 33 year old paperless man from the Congo, with a criminal record of 22 crimes commited in France, and not only stupid enough to be an illegal immigrant and not buy a ticket but also to attack two employers over it was seemingly lost on them.
Or maybe they simply don't care about such things. Mind you, the rioters quickly devoted all their attention to destroying and looting a sports shop, where they all helped themselves to a fine new pair of shiny sneakers with a big logo of a western oppressionist firm emblazoned on it.
Warning: clicking the link below reveals an image that may be found disagreeable by workplace net-nannies, and any young children you may be hovering about:
To indulge Dev Dave, who was curious about who these fine young gentlemen are, and to vent my anger a bit, here's a picture from a previous riot.
The guy on the right is not laughing at the plight of a French woman being brutally beaten up by a pack of scum, he is really only exclaiming his frustration that nobody will employ a person of refined manners and agreeable character like him.
https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1405/racaillenk3.png
Crazed Rabbit
03-28-2007, 23:57
That all of it today was started by a simple arrest of a 33 year old paperless man from the Congo, with a criminal record of 22 crimes commited in France, and not only stupid enough to be an illegal immigrant and not buy a ticket but also to attack two employers over it was seemingly lost on them.
It would seem riots start off quite quickly then. I suppose that is a product of the "us and them" attitude on both sides.
In this situation, I don't really see how the cops could have arrested him differently.
What is your view on the affect Sarkozy has had on all of this? Is he culpable, as the socialists claim? Would a easier approach towards the immigrant community cause them to stop rioting and becoming isolationist? Or would it merely serve to give in to whatever vague things they are angry about, and not integrate them into society?
Why do the newspapers not define who these youths are?
As to your picture: are those guys attacking that woman?!
Crazed Rabbit
Louis VI the Fat
03-29-2007, 01:00
What is your view on the affect Sarkozy has had on all of this? Is he culpable, as the socialists claim? Would a easier approach towards the immigrant community cause them to stop rioting and becoming isolationist? Or would it merely serve to give in to whatever vague things they are angry about, and not integrate them into society?
I have changed my mind about this aspect of Sarkozy somewhere after the riots of november 2005. I think he's right to stress the aspect of law and order more. I'm primitive enough to enjoy enjoy his talk of cleaning up this scum with a Kärcher.
Wiki: 'In some countries such as France and Mexico, Kärcher is now colloquially used as synonymous with a cleaning system using high-pressure water, used to clean cars, outdoor equipment etc. In a famous quote, French politician Nicolas Sarkozy once declared figuratively that a certain banlieue should be "cleaned out with a Kärcher" (nettoyer la cité au Kärcher) — meaning all criminals and other undesirables should be removed and washed out. This comment was highly controversial.'
His approach can not be exclusive. Social workers, education, employment laws are the real solution. But sometimes scum is scum, and we can not simply surrender the public space of entire areas to a bunch of scum.
I long believed that a though approach would be divise, that it would make immigrant communities isolate themselves even more. But currently I think the incredible amount of scum is an even higher segregating factor. Mind you, when I'll get children I'll move to a white neighbourhood just so my children can go to a white school, so they won't have to grow up being beaten up at school or getting gangraped. It's tragic, this is how segregation aggravates itself.
Socialists blame Sarkozy for aggravating the matter. Immigrants usually hate him. He's quite a divisive politician.
Why do the newspapers not define who these youths are?
PC in general. Also, there is an element of troublesome indigenous French youngsters too.
As to your picture: are those guys attacking that woman?!
I don't know the story. From the looks of it, she isn't searching the pavement for her contact lenses.
Strike For The South
03-29-2007, 05:01
Christ what are yall doing! In the US this would never happen! Texas you have whites and mexicans treating each other with dignity and respect not beating eachother up (alhough the muslims are doing all the harm the French seem content to bury there heads in the sand). Louis dont move teach your son how to fight give your duaghter pepper spray make sure they dont get pushed around its your country take it back!
Christ what are yall doing! In the US this would never happen! Texas you have whites and mexicans treating each other with dignity and respect not beating eachother up (alhough the muslims are doing all the harm the French seem content to bury there heads in the sand). Louis dont move teach your son how to fight give your duaghter pepper spray make sure they dont get pushed around its your country take it back!
:sweatdrop:
Shaka_Khan
03-29-2007, 05:09
Christ what are yall doing! In the US this would never happen! Texas you have whites and mexicans treating each other with dignity and respect not beating eachother up (alhough the muslims are doing all the harm the French seem content to bury there heads in the sand). Louis dont move teach your son how to fight give your duaghter pepper spray make sure they dont get pushed around its your country take it back!
Texas is a safe place. I wouldn't say that about L.A. or Louisianna.
At least nothing was lit on fire... :beam:
Desperate times call for extreme meassures, let's declare april the month of multiculturalism before this spins out of control.
English assassin
03-29-2007, 09:41
Surely all this rioting is a sign that the north african youth are integrating well into french culture?
What I want to know is what has happened to the French farmers? It seems ages since we've had a good riot about British lamb imports into France?
Why, the next thing will be French air traffic control NOT going on strike in August.
Sort it out Louis.
Surely all this rioting is a sign that the north african youth are integrating well into french culture?
What I want to know is what has happened to the French farmers? It seems ages since we've had a good riot about British lamb imports into France?
Why, the next thing will be French air traffic control NOT going on strike in August.
Sort it out Louis.
French farmers are deeply concerned about their rioting jobs being outsorced to north african youths :laugh4:
Fisherking
03-29-2007, 09:52
French farmers are deeply concerned about their rioting jobs being outsorced to north african youths :laugh4:
not to mention the effect on the French auto industry if it stopped.
When I was studying French before the school trip to France and Spain I was led to believe that France was quite good when it came to race relations with immigrants. However when we were there I certainly noticed that more often than not the beggers were African and often so were the garbage collectors and all the souvenir sellers were African or Arab.
I talked to one guy from Senegal for a little while who was selling postcards and he said that generally people are good to him, but still there are a significant number who treat him like trash and look down on him even though he is just trying to sell postcards.
This was quite surprising for a Kiwi who is used to having Maori, Polynesian, Asian and European students all in the same class. After seeing Paris I can safely say that NZ doesn't have any major racial problems. Our "extremists" are a few Maori who decide that they want the government to cede some land to them since their ancestors lived there.
Though there is a huge difference between Paris and the rest of France (in my opinion). I didn't find such obvious discrimination in any of the other French cities we went to, and the attitudes and atmosphere of the places seemed different too. I sincerely hope there can be some way to get around the problems, but I think it may be a bit impossible without taking measures like the Singaporean government and forcing intergration.
France has real race issues. Mainly made worse because race isn't officially recognised, everyone is just 'French'. Which would be nice if everyone actually thought that way.
I think we should just outsource being French to north Africans, then the French can get on with their dream of becoming Canadian.
Hoodie yobs. Regardless of race/culture, that's what they are. They are not bringing a little bit of Noth African culture to Europe with them, they are in fact mostly the children of immigrants and have grown up here. Their role models are usually gangster rappers - not arab/north african culture. That kind of life is all they know. Education or work is just "uncool", hanging around on street corners smoking marijuana, picking fights and assaulting and mugging people is a way of life. They have adapted to their surroundings, to the people back home they are something very alien.
Britain has the same problem with Somali youths. They are forming into gangs and fighting with white, Pakistani or Afro-Carribean gangs that are already long established. They are the youth that have grown up here. Their clothing, manner of speech, attitude and tastes are almost entirely different to later immigrants and their own parents. They have also adapted to their surroundings it would seem.
It is these poorly educated, socially excluded and disillusioned youth from a muslim background that are as fresh fuel to the extremist cause.
Vladimir
03-29-2007, 12:57
Thanks for posting this article with comments. It’s difficult for me to highlight my country’s failures and suppose it’s equally difficult, if not more so, for a Frenchman.
It seems to me that this is a result of the Social Democracy system. By treating them different out of a sense of “compassion” it has become a form of racism. Saying that poor minorities need our help implies or turns into they “need” our help because they can’t do it themselves. When they think that the state is their only hope they’ll react strongly against it when it wrongs them.
Several economic reforms will need to take place to show them that there is a future in France and Europe and that upward mobility is possible. Even if people treat you differently, as long as you’re upwardly mobile there’s satisfaction and hope. I only have limited knowledge of this issue though.
I wouldn't call asking someone for his subwayticket wronging. But yeah, they are too used to getting what they want when they want it, here in the Netherlands at least.
Watchman
03-29-2007, 13:20
I don't quite follow where run-down concrete-jungle ghettoes amount to "Social Democrat compassion" though.
I don't quite follow where run-down concrete-jungle ghettoes amount to "Social Democrat compassion" though.
Well social democratic compassion means $$$$$$$, and a lot, in the recent years over a 100.000 the person has been invested in the banlieux, they should have bought tanks instead.
Watchman
03-29-2007, 13:52
:shrug: It's kind of like with environmental protection if you ask me - an € now is worth half a dozen down the road, and if you didn't invest in time the final bill after the brown stuff hit the fan ends up pretty bad.
Sort of like the difference between building a house properly, and doing it on the cheap and then ending up spending crazy amounts of time and money on repairs.
In other words the dynamics that created the present banlieux with their multitudious problems should have been tackled in the bud, but weren't; the due result is an hideously complicated imperial headache without any clear and easy solutions now.
It's the "something for nothing" culture. When people start to rely on handouts they lose their incentives to do better in life and progress to become fully contributing citizens. They lose all self esteem, as anyone would when relying on state benefits for a lifetime. Unfortunately this mindset gets passed on to their children and onto future generations, ultimately creating the "chav" underclass present in Britain and some other countries today. The very policies that are in place to address these peoples' needs, serves only to futher separate them from the rest of society. A good example of this was the "New Deal" inititiative in Britain that started up in the late 90s and is still going. This provides basic state funded training where those lacking skills can go to study at college. The whole thing became just as stigmatised as any other benefit (and people on benefits in general), and those attending the courses gained the reputation of only doing so in order to hold onto their welfare money, which would have been withrawn otherwise, and not because they were interested in the subject or wanted to find work. The whole problem with the New Deal is that it oozes the message: "you're inadequate, you need help, you're a burden on the state and we need to get you forced into any kind of work ASAP". It also almost exonerates them from blame and responsibility. They can't find / don't want a job, so the nanny state is going to push them into it and take care of everything. All in all this is the same as the smacking issue in the other thread: Basically give power back to the parents and people in the community, and stop treating certain groups more favourably than others to address inequality as that is what is doing all the damage.
In other words the dynamics that created the present banlieux with their multitudious problems should have been tackled in the bud, but weren't; the due result is an hideously complicated imperial headache without any clear and easy solutions now.
What can you do against voluntary apartheid? It's Rosa Parks reverse enginering, pumping money won't do.
Watchman
03-29-2007, 14:04
What, do I look like the Second Coming or something ? If I knew how to fix the world I'd already have founded my own religion. All I'm saying is that it would have been possible to keep the problem from coming into being - or at least, in such a scale as it is now - way back up the road, but this was not done and now it's big, messy and extremely difficult to fix.
KukriKhan
03-29-2007, 14:11
Today, one man being arrested for riding the metro without a ticket was enough to start yet another text-message intifada: ' Gare du Nord! Les feuks ('cops') are beating up a Muslim! Bring Ahmad, Yazid, Habib, Youssouf - quickly...'
I dunno about the social-demo implications of political policy causing riots. They seem to happen everywhere, under every system.
Looking at it tactically, if I were Chief of Police in Paris (ha!), the first thing I'd do, after mobilizing my baton-wielders, is get control of the cell-phone towers. The one thing these large assemblages have in common (wherever they happen; Paris; Oz; Detroit), is the nearly instantaneous "flash-mob" aspect, to which Louis alluded above. A crowd of 50 is easier to control and disperse, than a mob of hundreds.
Watchman
03-29-2007, 14:36
It's the "something for nothing" culture. When people start to rely on handouts they lose their incentives to do better in life and progress to become fully contributing citizens. They lose all self esteem, as anyone would when relying on state benefits for a lifetime. Unfortunately this mindset gets passed on to their children and onto future generations, ultimately creating the "chav" underclass present in Britain and some other countries today. The very policies that are in place to address these peoples' needs, serves only to futher separate them from the rest of society. A good example of this was the "New Deal" inititiative in Britain that started up in the late 90s and is still going. This provides basic state funded training where those lacking skills can go to study at college. The whole thing became just as stigmatised as any other benefit (and people on benefits in general), and those attending the courses gained the reputation of only doing so in order to hold onto their welfare money, which would have been withrawn otherwise, and not because they were interested in the subject or wanted to find work. The whole problem with the New Deal is that it oozes the message: "you're inadequate, you need help, you're a burden on the state and we need to get you forced into any kind of work ASAP". It also almost exonerates them from blame and responsibility. They can't find / don't want a job, so the nanny state is going to push them into it and take care of everything. All in all this is the same as the smacking issue in the other thread: Basically give power back to the parents and people in the community, and stop treating certain groups more favourably than others to address inequality as that is what is doing all the damage.You know, this is what happens when it is blatantly obvious to the underclass concerned that all these fancy projects and classes and whatnot are actually just Placebo - programs for the sake of looking like something is being done to address the salient socioeconomic issues involved, not really something seriously meant to improve their lot (which would really require major structural adjustements that for assorted reasons, of which the effects of globalizations and outsourcing to the Third World aren't the least, aren't actually doable). Being forced to go through such obviously fake moves for the sake of appereances upon the pain of losing the meager social securities that allow them to at least keep the family fed and out of the streets is, obviously, quite humiliating and frustrating.
Unsurprisingly, it also leaves the kids with a pretty damn lousy set of cards to start playing the "game of life" with; social class and income level were relatively hereditary even in the full-blown Nordic welfare states before the social security structures started to get run down a decade or two ago, nevermind now in societies that largely or entirely lacked such "evening out" measures to begin with. What that means in practice is a lot of frustrated young men with little meaningful to do and no real future prospects, which spells out Trouble with a capital T because there is quite possibly no other group of people so responsible to any and all kinds of agitation and so prone to engaging in violent stupidities as angry and idle young men with little to lose.
Yea, I've spoken to people involved with those programmes and it all boiled down to the tutor telling the young people faced with form filling, job hunting excercises and timesheets (to prove they're been there at all), that basically "we know it's stupid and pointless but the government require us to do it etc etc etc, so please just do it and let's get it out of the way and get onto something else". This gave the impression to many, that the government in fact regarded them with contempt, as they weren't trusted to attend at all.
The gov want figures on paper to show that something is being done about unemployment or youth crime or homelessness or whatever. Another concern was the fact that participants would be encouraged to just drop the course they were doing and go straight into a job if the opportunity arose. This made them feel that their course was irrelevant as there was no solid plan for them to gain the qualification, and they were just there to kill time, and more importantly not count towards the government's unemployment figures.
What can you do against voluntary apartheid? It's Rosa Parks reverse enginering, pumping money won't do.
Big tax breaks if your neighbours are a different class to you?
Although I did once spend a week on a strange Swiss estate, which was half slum and half middle class. You just ended up with a bunch of rich, well-educated drug dealers.
CrossLOPER
03-29-2007, 15:27
Why don't you drop a Molotov in a drive by up in one of their hoods?
rory_20_uk
03-29-2007, 16:30
Where people can choose where they live those will the knowledge and the money will choose the nice areas. These areas will go up in value and price out the poor. Areas that are undesirable will be available to those that have little money.
And as generally rich white collar workers commit white collar crime the nice area gets nicer and as blue collar workers commit blue collar crimes the nasty area gets nastier.
If you try to mix the areas generally the end result is that people will leave the area until another area is the new expensive safe ghetto.
If you can't use your money to live in safety what is the point?
~:smoking:
Watchman
03-29-2007, 18:21
Personally, I prefer paying for a decent enough welfare state that the developement of the nasty areas is minimized to begin with. Since you're going to end up paying anyway, might as well pay for prevention and overall healthier society.
But then again I'm a rabid pinko-commie who hates freedom. :balloon2:
Devastatin Dave
03-30-2007, 03:27
Hmmm
Nice culture.
Are they doing anything wrong? Well no, if you use their rule book. Poor misunderstood "youths", just doing what they've been taught. We just need to understand them better, and, of course, SUBMIT.:no:
Thanks my dear Brother of France for translating the "youth" BS my American Main Stream Media find a need to hide.:2thumbsup:
Watchman
03-30-2007, 13:23
The Hell you talkin' about, Dave ? :huh:
Devastatin Dave
03-30-2007, 17:52
The Hell you talkin' about, Dave ? :huh:
I'm speaking cryptically. If I use the words "muslim", "Quran", or "Muhammed" I'll get in trouble. :beam:
Louis VI the Fat
03-30-2007, 21:50
If you can't use your money to live in safety what is the point?Aye. But the point of real affluence is not a stratified society where the well-off live in closed, gated communities, but an egalitarian society where everybody can live in safety anywhere. Sorry, perhaps there's a clash of civilisations here. Anglo is Anglo and continental is continental, and ne'er the twain shall meet...
Or maybe that is just me putting up the usual egalitarian French charade. Dropping it and being more brutally honest: I'm not going anywhere, to hell with me moving just to live in safety. Why should I leave because of some hooded imbeciles with an attitude problem? It's my country, if you can't let me live in safety, you move. I'm staying put.
The tragic end result of this inner Le Pen kind of reasoning is, since they for their part certainly won't move either, that the weaker segments of immigrants are socially moved to here (http://www.guardian.co.uk/slideshow/page/0,,2044805,00.html). (Commentary in English starts after some fifteen seconds of terrifyingly bad French rapmusic)
:shame:
Thanks for translating the "youth" BS my American Main Stream Media find a need to hide. I'm actually quite surprised to see the American media using this terminology. Youths is a direct translation of the French euphemism 'jeunes'.
It's silly. It renders you a useless translation. An American naturally is not acutely aware of all the associations, euphemisms and implicit meanings of the French language. So they'll be left unaware of the actual meaning of the word 'youths'. Any Fenchman will understand it as PC shorthand for 'troublesome young men of mainly west and north African origin'.
muslimHmmm, not entirely so. Islam is an aggravating aspect of the problems, but it's not the only one. I'd love to indulge you but I simply can not. Whatever one may think of Islam, and I'd be lying if I said that I'm unequivocally convinced of the benefits to our society by certain aspects of it, it is at worst one amongst many of the roots of our problems.
There is a large well-adapted Muslim middle-class too. Not all the rioters are Muslims, and certainly are not all Muslims rioters.
I don't know if this is a fair comparison, but this reminds me of the footage I saw on teh intarwebs where fans and even players at a soccer game beat the crap out of some rent-a-cops who brutalized a fan who ran onto the field waving a flag, being a minor disruptance. Video caught the rent-a-cops (hereinafter referred to as 'pigs') pinning the poor guy down and repeatedly punching him hard with fists and batons, probably for resisting the injuries that were being inflicted on him. A soccer player ended up jumping in and kicking one of the pigs in his face, and the fans who were also irate at what they were witnessing, moved in and "rescued" the guy, the pigs had to fight their way out. In my view, this is a poster child of social justice at work, where a larger group of people come to the aid of someone who is being beaten (tortured?) by others coming from a "legitimate" position of power. I am unable to determine if this is the same situation that friend Louis posted in this thread, but it seems rather close. Violence is never a good answer and should always be a last resort, but I do believe there are some cases where it is justified.
Edit - No Dave, actually I was referring to the cop in the first part of the article, who allegedly "manhandled" the kid that supposedly sparked all of this. Sorry, I just don't like cops in general.
Devastatin Dave
03-30-2007, 22:21
I don't know if this is a fair comparison, but this reminds me of the footage I saw on teh intarwebs where fans and even players at a soccer game beat the crap out of some rent-a-cops who brutalized a fan who ran onto the field waving a flag, being a minor disruptance. Video caught the rent-a-cops (hereinafter referred to as 'pigs') pinning the poor guy down and repeatedly punching him hard with fists and batons, probably for resisting the injuries that were being inflicted on him. A soccer player ended up jumping in and kicking one of the pigs in his face, and the fans who were also irate at what they were witnessing, moved in and "rescued" the guy, the pigs had to fight their way out. In my view, this is a poster child of social justice at work, where a larger group of people come to the aid of someone who is being beaten (tortured?) by others coming from a "legitimate" position of power. I am unable to determine if this is the same situation that friend Louis posted in this thread, but it seems rather close. Violence is never a good answer and should always be a last resort, but I do believe there are some cases where it is justified.
So you're saying this lady getting her ass kicked by the "youths" somehow "caused" this to happen. Interesting.
Adrian II
03-30-2007, 22:31
Louis, I wonder if you have seen today's papers with the statements of the Congolese man's lawyer and the minutes of his police interrogation which Le Monde apparently got hold of. Under interrogation he claims that the RATP (subway company) guard who first stopped him was very aggressive because he was from the Maghreb and apparently had a grudge against blacks. Nothing spectacular, but quite revealing if you want to understand how weird these incidents often are. I mean, maybe we had Maghreb youths rioting because 'one of their own' got it into his head to play racist copper and provoke a black man...
:dizzy2:
Louis VI the Fat
03-30-2007, 23:23
Yes, I've heard. They were three Maghrebines. Most of the rioters apparently were blacks. Later joined by some Magrebines who thought it was an Arab that was attacked.
I don't know whether to laugh or weep.
Rebeus attacking keblas at garefrique du Nord. Did they all find a feuj to blame yet?
Watchman
03-30-2007, 23:35
Since when did hordes of angry, idle young men with things to vent investigate matters to any degree before starting trouble ? Massive riots, even outright revolutions, have AFAIK been triggered by as little as untrue rumours in history.
Adrian II
03-31-2007, 00:06
Rebeus attacking keblas at garefrique du Nord. Did they all find a feuj to blame yet?Heh, looks like they could run Gareflic entirely without whites soon.
Louis VI the Fat
03-31-2007, 14:48
flicFlic!? Man, you sound like a social worker. You're two steps behind the street: flic <-> keuf <-> feuk. Feuk has the added benefit of sounding like a certain English word.
Adrian II
03-31-2007, 15:10
Flic!? Man, you sound like a social worker. You're two steps behind the street: flic <-> keuf <-> feuk. Feuk has the added benefit of sounding like a certain English word.~D Point taken! I used Gareflic because it rhymes with Garefrique. I knew about keuf. Feuk I didn't know.
*books trip*
Meneldil
04-02-2007, 13:36
Flic!? Man, you sound like a social worker. You're two steps behind the street: flic <-> keuf <-> feuk. Feuk has the added benefit of sounding like a certain English word.
Shame on me, I was still using Keuf. Surely my friends will be pleased to learn that the new word for policeman is now feuk, it sounds so cutie and trendy ~:pat:
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