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Basileus Seleukeia
04-02-2007, 17:55
After defeating the romans and totally crushing their Republic, I had the idea of adopting the camillan quinquunx formation and making some changes, so it fits the Carthaginian unit roster better. These are my plans (always have in mind that its not completed yet. I want it to be modular, but this is how I use it now):
S:Skirmisher (not yet included in-game, will be slingers mostly)
1:Front line (Hastati at the moment)
2:Second line (Heavy Lybian Spearmen)
3:Third Line (Heavy Lybo-Phoenician Hoplites at the flank, Samnitici Milites central)
4: Fourth Line (Elite African Swordsmen)
A:Archer
C: Cavalry (Misthophoroi Hippeis and Equites Romani, one unit of Sacred Band Cavalry)
G:General
E: Elephants
SSSS SSSS

1111 1111 1111

CCCC CCCC 2222 2222 CCCC CCCC

3333 3333 3333
EEEE GGGG EEEE
AAAA 4444 AAAA

Makes exactly 20 units. Standard Quinquunx with the following exceptions:
The 2 outer units of Cavalry move out to bind enemy skirmishers or cavalry. If that is done and the enemy hits the first line, elephants and the inner 2 units of Cavalry move arround the flank and hit the enemy in the rear.
It isn't complete yet, so please post suggestions for the tactic and the initial employment, such as which units could replace which one (when fighting in Gaul, I cant refresh my Romans and Africans, so I will have to rely upon Iberians, a few Romans and native Celts, especially Gaesatae)
So please post your opinion.

Edit: Argh, crap that stupid forum always messes up my employment, does someone know a way to fix that?

JeffBag
04-02-2007, 19:03
Try using underscores.

Poulp'
04-02-2007, 19:43
S:Skirmisher (not yet included in-game, will be slingers mostly)
1:Front line (Hastati at the moment)
2:Second line (Heavy Lybian Spearmen)
3:Third Line (Heavy Lybo-Phoenician Hoplites at the flank, Samnitici Milites central)
4: Fourth Line (Elite African Swordsmen)
A:Archer
C: Cavalry (Misthophoroi Hippeis and Equites Romani, one unit of Sacred Band Cavalry)
G:General
E: Elephants
--------------SSSS------SSSS

-----------1111-----1111-----1111

CCCC---CCCC---2222---2222---CCCC---CCCC

-----------3333-----3333-----3333
-----------EEEE-----GGGG----EEEE
------------AAAA---4444---AAAA



like this ?

Cataphract_Of_The_City
04-02-2007, 22:24
I would lose one elephant unit, possibly a cavalry unit too (i like my general to lead charges) and go for 1-2 more units of inf to extend the line. Seems pretty short to me.

Basileus Seleukeia
04-03-2007, 14:38
So, here's the reworked formation, thanks to JeffBag for the underscores idea:

S:Skirmisher (not yet included in-game, will be slingers mostly)
1:Front line (Hastati at the moment)
2:Second line (Heavy Lybian Spearmen)
3:Third Line (Heavy Lybo-Phoenician Hoplites at the flank, Samnitici Milites central)
4: Fourth Line (Elite African Swordsmen)
M:Mercenary heavy Infantry (Gaesatae)
A:Archer
C: Cavalry (Misthophoroi Hippeis and Equites Romani, one unit of Sacred Band Cavalry)
G:General
E: Elephants
----------------------------SSSS---SSSS

------------------------1111----1111----1111

CCCC----GGGG----MMMM----2222----2222----MMMM----CCCC---CCCC

----------------------- 3333----3333-----3333
--------------------------------EEEE
------------------------AAAA---4444---AAAA

Well, what do you think now?

Boyar Son
04-04-2007, 02:02
Gonna take some time to build that large elite unite army

Basileus Seleukeia
04-04-2007, 14:59
Gonna take some time to build that large elite unite army

Well, Carthage is rich, and building them doesn't take more time than making an army of militia. It's just a question of money:laugh4: