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Lemur
04-11-2007, 16:01
'Cause there seems to be a job opening.

Apply now!' (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001776.html)

3 Generals Spurn the Position of War 'Czar'

Bush Seeks Overseer For Iraq, Afghanistan

By Peter Baker and Thomas E. Ricks, Wednesday, April 11, 2007

The White House wants to appoint a high-powered czar to oversee the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan with authority to issue directions to the Pentagon, the State Department and other agencies, but it has had trouble finding anyone able and willing to take the job, according to people close to the situation.

At least three retired four-star generals approached by the White House in recent weeks have declined to be considered for the position, the sources said, underscoring the administration's difficulty in enlisting its top recruits to join the team after five years of warfare that have taxed the United States and its military.

"The very fundamental issue is, they don't know where the hell they're going," said retired Marine Gen. John J. "Jack" Sheehan, a former top NATO commander who was among those rejecting the job. Sheehan said he believes that Vice President Cheney and his hawkish allies remain more powerful within the administration than pragmatists looking for a way out of Iraq. "So rather than go over there, develop an ulcer and eventually leave, I said, 'No, thanks,' " he said.

The White House has not publicly disclosed its interest in creating the position, hoping to find someone President Bush can anoint and announce for the post all at once. Officials said they are still considering options for how to reorganize the White House's management of the two conflicts. If they cannot find a person suited for the sort of specially empowered office they envision, they said, they may have to retain the current structure.

The administration's interest in the idea stems from long-standing concern over the coordination of civilian and military efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan by different parts of the U.S. government. The Defense and State departments have long struggled over their roles and responsibilities in Iraq, with the White House often forced to referee.

The highest-ranking White House official responsible exclusively for the wars is deputy national security adviser Meghan O'Sullivan, who reports to national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley and does not have power to issue orders to agencies. O'Sullivan plans to step down soon, giving the White House the opportunity to rethink how it organizes the war effort.

Unlike O'Sullivan, the new czar would report directly to Bush and to Hadley and would have the title of assistant to the president, just as Hadley and the other highest-ranking White House officials have, the sources said. The new czar would also have "tasking authority," or the power to issue directions, over other agencies, they said.

To fill such a role, the White House is searching for someone with enough stature and confidence to deal directly with heavyweight administration figures such as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates. Besides Sheehan, sources said, the White House or intermediaries have sounded out retired Army Gen. Jack Keane and retired Air Force Gen. Joseph W. Ralston, who also said they are not interested. Ralston declined to comment; Keane confirmed he declined the offer, adding: "It was discussed weeks ago."

Kurt Campbell, a Clinton administration Pentagon official who heads the Center for a New American Security, said the difficulty in finding someone to take the job shows that Bush has exhausted his ability to sign up top people to help salvage a disastrous war. "Who's sitting on the bench?" he asked. "Who is there to turn to? And who would want to take the job?"

All three generals who declined the job have been to varying degrees administration insiders. Keane, a former Army vice chief of staff, was one of the primary proponents of sending more troops to Iraq and presented Bush with his plan for a major force increase during an Oval Office meeting in December. The president adopted the concept in January, although he did not dispatch as many troops as Keane proposed.

Ralston, a former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was named by Rice last August to serve as her special envoy for countering the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, a group designated a terrorist organization by the United States.

Sheehan, a 35-year Marine, served on the Defense Policy Board advising the Pentagon early in the Bush administration and at one point was reportedly considered by then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to be chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He now works as an executive at Bechtel Corp. developing oil projects in the Middle East.

In an interview yesterday, Sheehan said that Hadley contacted him and they discussed the job for two weeks but that he was dubious from the start. "I've never agreed on the basis of the war, and I'm still skeptical," Sheehan said. "Not only did we not plan properly for the war, we grossly underestimated the effect of sanctions and Saddam Hussein on the Iraqi people."

In the course of the discussions, Sheehan said, he called around to get a better feel for the administration landscape.

"There's the residue of the Cheney view -- 'We're going to win, al-Qaeda's there' -- that justifies anything we did," he said. "And then there's the pragmatist view -- how the hell do we get out of Dodge and survive? Unfortunately, the people with the former view are still in the positions of most influence." Sheehan said he wrote a note March 27 declining interest.

Gordon Johndroe, a National Security Council spokesman, would not discuss contacts with candidates but confirmed that officials are considering a newly empowered czar.

"The White House is looking at a number of options on how to structure the Iraq and Afghanistan office in light of Meghan O'Sullivan's departure and the completion of both the Iraq and Afghanistan strategic reviews," he said. He added that "No decisions have been made" and "a list of candidates has not been narrowed down."

The idea of someone overseeing the wars has been promoted to the White House by several outside advisers. "It would be definitely a good idea," said Frederick W. Kagan, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. "Hope they do it, and hope they do it soon. And I hope they pick the right guy. It's a real problem that we don't have a single individual back here who is really capable of coordinating the effort."

Other variations are under consideration. House Democrats have put a provision in their version of a war spending bill that would designate a coordinator to oversee all assistance to Iraq. That person, who would report directly to the president, would require Senate confirmation; the White House said it opposes the proposal because Rice already has an aid coordinator.

Some administration critics said the ideas miss the point. "An individual can't fix a failed policy," said Carlos Pascual, former State Department coordinator of Iraq reconstruction, who is now a vice president at the Brookings Institution. "So the key thing is to figure out where the policy is wrong."
Don't we already have a Secretary of Defense? Don't we already have a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Isn't Keane, one of the guys who turned the Czar job down, the architect of the Surge Strategy? What does this say, exactly?

Important quote from the article:


"There's the residue of the Cheney view -- 'We're going to win, al-Qaeda's there' -- that justifies anything we did," he said. "And then there's the pragmatist view -- how the hell do we get out of Dodge and survive? Unfortunately, the people with the former view are still in the positions of most influence." Sheehan said.

This is profoundly bad news.

Whacker
04-11-2007, 17:03
Clearly we need to:

A. Immediately advance human cloning to the point where we can recreate someone from a few cells based on their DNA.

B. Clone copies of the following individuals:

1. Genghis Khan
2. Attila
3. Henry V
4. Hannibal Barca
5. Alexander the Great
6. Julius Caesar

C. Put all of them in charge of the war and turn them lose.

Feel free to add to this list. The more bloodthirsty the better.


:balloon2:

Odin
04-11-2007, 17:40
This is profoundly bad news.

Anything short of moving U.S. military personell back to the U.S. to fortify the homeland is profoundly bad news IMHO.

What is most troubling to me is the seeming shots in the dark Mr Bush now takes in some hope of reviving support for his Iraq policy. The more he grasps the harder he makes it for republicans to support him in congress, and if he isnt careful the funding bill, with the pullout clause might just get enough votes to overrule his veto.

the lack of humility, on so many levels by this administration is shameful.

drone
04-11-2007, 17:46
This is what happens when you purge, hamstring, or ignore your best military minds.

What a career-ending job that position will be. ~:rolleyes:

Azi Tohak
04-11-2007, 17:48
What is most troubling to me is the seeming shots in the dark Mr Bush now takes in some hope of reviving support for his Iraq policy. The more he grasps the harder he makes it for republicans to support him in congress, and if he isnt careful the funding bill, with the pullout clause might just get enough votes to overrule his veto.

I don't usually agree with New Englanders on anything (please tell me you're not a Patriots/Red Sox fan), but I think you're absolutely right on this.

I think the pullout clause is a horrible idea (I can see the headline now... "USA pulls out of Iraq, Iraq not pregnant"), but it is quite popular I think.

Azi

Ronin
04-11-2007, 17:52
have you made a terrible mess of things?
you have no idea how to get out of it or how to put it right again?
...worry not....just name someone "*name of your problem here*czar"
a snappy title is bound to make the problem go away....:dizzy2: :wall:

Odin
04-11-2007, 17:53
I don't usually agree with New Englanders on anything (please tell me you're not a Patriots/Red Sox fan), but I think you're absolutely right on this.



Thankfully I am a conservative New Englander (by our standards mind you) so I can somewhat hold my head up should I travel past Baltimore :laugh4:

Patriots fan, first game my old man took me too was 1977. Dont care about Baseball, but football is one of my passions.

Fisherking
04-11-2007, 18:37
I have not the foggiest idea of what the White House is thinking...if you can call it that.

One thing I know how ever is that if they appoint some one it is more likely to be a G.A. Custer than a G.R. Clark or Omar Bradley...

Blodrast
04-11-2007, 19:12
*scratches head* Yeah, I think I may (at least partially) agree with Ronin... somehow I feel like they're looking for a scapegoat. Just put a guy "in charge", and, then, when things are still bad, we can all point our fingers at him and say "Well, HE's in charge, obviously it's his fault!", conveniently ignoring, or forgetting to mention, that things were way poo-poo before the guy ever got there...

Yeah, I'm not surprised people aren't fighting over this sacrificial lamb position...

spmetla
04-11-2007, 19:24
"war czar"? I hope that Gen Pace and Sec gates slap Bush a few time for me.

Our intel czar hasn't seemed to be that succesful. Creating homeland security did seem to do much except eat up govt. funds.

This is a big pile of B.S.:furious3:

Tribesman
04-11-2007, 19:34
Isn't Keane, one of the guys who turned the Czar job down, the architect of the Surge Strategy? What does this say, exactly?

Didn't his comments (from around the time Petreaus took on the job) about the administation and its application of the surge strategy say it all exactly .

Its a wonder they even approached him after that , but then again the administration isn't exactly well known for being able to think straight or remember what has been said .

KukriKhan
04-12-2007, 03:22
Ah hell... I'll take the job. Mind, I work from home, and have Org obligations, and stuff. Tosa will probably grant me a temporary leave of absence. Collegues, can you cover for the next 18 months?

One thing: since I'm gonna be a scrape-goat, I'd like to see the retirement plan, please.

Who wouldn't wanna be a Czar? Or Tsar?

CrossLOPER
04-12-2007, 04:45
Who wouldn't wanna be a Czar? Or Tsar?
Царь.

Lemur
04-17-2007, 15:01
Of interest: Sheenan just wrote an essay on why he turned the job down (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/15/AR2007041500564.html?referrer=digg).

Why I Declined To Serve

By John J. Sheehan
Monday, April 16, 2007; Page A17

Service to the nation is both a responsibility and an honor for every citizen presented with the opportunity. This is especially true in times of war and crisis. Today, because of the war in Iraq, this nation is in a crisis of confidence and is confused about its foreign policy direction, especially in the Middle East.

When asked whether I would like to be considered for the position of White House implementation manager for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, I knew that it would be a difficult assignment, but also an honor, and that this was a serious task that needed to be done. I served as the military assistant to the deputy secretary of defense in the mid-1980s and more recently as commander in chief of the Atlantic Command during the Cuban and Haitian migrant operation and the reconstruction of Haiti. Based on my experience, I knew that a White House position of this nature would require interagency acceptance. Cabinet-level agencies, organizations and their leadership must buy in to the position's roles and responsibilities. Most important, Cabinet-level personalities must develop and accept a clear definition of the strategic approach to policy.

What I found in discussions with current and former members of this administration is that there is no agreed-upon strategic view of the Iraq problem or the region. In my view, there are essentially three strategies in play simultaneously.

The first I call "the Woody Hayes basic ground attack," which is basically gaining one yard -- or one city block -- at a time. Given unconstrained time and resources, one could control the outcome in Iraq and provide the necessary security to move on to the next stage of development.

The second strategy starts with security but adds benchmarks for both the U.S. and Iraqi participants and applies time constraints that should guide them toward a desired outcome. The value of this strategy is that everyone knows the quantifiable and measurable objectives that fit within an overall strategic framework.

The third strategy takes a larger view of the region and the desired end state. Simply put, where does Iraq fit in a larger regional context? The United States has and will continue to have strategic interests in the greater Middle East well after the Iraq crisis is resolved and, as a matter of national interest, will maintain forces in the region in some form. The Iraq invasion has created a real and existential crisis for nearly all Middle Eastern countries and created divisions among our traditional European allies, making cooperation on other issues more difficult. In the case of Iran, we have allowed Tehran to develop more policy options and tools than it had a few years ago. Iran is an ideological and destabilizing threat to its neighbors and, more important, to U.S. interests.

Of the three strategies in play, the third is the most important but, unfortunately, is the least developed and articulated by this administration.

The day-to-day work of the White House implementation manager overseeing Iraq and Afghanistan would require a great deal of emotional and intellectual energy resolving critical resource issues in a bureaucracy that, to date, has not functioned well. Activities such as the current surge operations should fit into an overall strategic framework. There has to be linkage between short-term operations and strategic objectives that represent long-term U.S. and regional interests, such as assured access to energy resources and support for stable, Western-oriented countries. These interests will require a serious dialogue and partnership with countries that live in an increasingly dangerous neighborhood. We cannot "shorthand" this issue with concepts such as the "democratization of the region" or the constant refrain by a small but powerful group that we are going to "win," even as "victory" is not defined or is frequently redefined.

It would have been a great honor to serve this nation again. But after thoughtful discussions with people both in and outside of this administration, I concluded that the current Washington decision-making process lacks a linkage to a broader view of the region and how the parts fit together strategically. We got it right during the early days of Afghanistan -- and then lost focus. We have never gotten it right in Iraq. For these reasons, I asked not to be considered for this important White House position. These huge shortcomings are not going to be resolved by the assignment of an additional individual to the White House staff. They need to be addressed before an implementation manager is brought on board.

The writer is a retired Marine Corps general.

Odin
04-17-2007, 15:05
I concluded that the current Washington decision-making process lacks a linkage to a broader view of the region and how the parts fit together strategically.

Excellent write up, this stuck out as particularly intresting. I wonder if the decision making process includes the congressional level or if it is soely administration?

drone
05-15-2007, 23:29
We finally have a sucker^H^H^H^H^H^HWar Czar!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/15/war.czar.ap/index.html

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush has chosen Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute, the Pentagon's director of operations, to oversee the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan as a "war czar" after a long search for new leadership, administration officials said Tuesday.

In the newly created position, Lute would serve as an assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser, and would also maintain his military status and rank as a three-star general, according to a Pentagon official.
Best of luck to Lute, I hope he gets hazard pay.

Watchman
05-15-2007, 23:37
"War Czar".
:inquisitive:
To paraphrase Hannibal Barca, "I have seen many a tacky title in my life, but this one beats them all!"

Sounds like some sort of fringe heavy-metal band.

Well, the White House has been pretty Spinal Tap for a while now anyway...

IrishArmenian
05-16-2007, 00:29
I want to be War Tsar, so I will have to decline this time.

BigTex
05-16-2007, 01:15
I'm lost here, don't we already have a "war czar"? I mean czar is the russian translation of ceasar, and we already have a supreme leader of the militaries, the commander in chief President Bush. We also have the secretary of defense and the joint chiefs. Then there's always the generals in charge of Iraq. Last I checked creating more beauracracy is always a bad thing.

If they really need a "war ceasar" for the middle eastern theatre. Why not promote a general to 5 star and give him the middle eastern theatre instead of creating more beauracracy??:juggle2:

Grey_Fox
05-16-2007, 01:25
Don't they both fall under the purview of CentCom?

Watchman
05-16-2007, 01:36
Maybe they'd like a scapegoat too ?

Blodrast
05-16-2007, 01:49
Maybe they'd like a scapegoat too ?

Well, what do you think the "war czar" position is for ? :yes:

Watchman
05-16-2007, 02:21
Exactly. Betcha CentCom isn't going to nitpick too much about jurisdications or whatever the equivalent now is called in those circles.

Xiahou
05-16-2007, 04:03
If they really need a "war ceasar" for the middle eastern theatre. Why not promote a general to 5 star and give him the middle eastern theatre instead of creating more beauracracy??:juggle2:
Because no matter how many stars a general has, he wouldn't have authority over the non-military intelligence agencies or state department officials also operating in the area.

The idea was to have one person in charge of all agencies in the area to make sure they're all pulling together. On paper, it sounds like a nice idea- but I don't know that just giving the person the job means that all these various agencies will suddenly be all reporting to him and happily cooperating. It's probably still going to be like herding cats- truly an unenviable job. :juggle2:

I hope he does well, but the sad fact is that many bureaucrats care more about protecting their turf and their own interests than they do about advancing the interests of the country. Good luck, man. :sweatdrop:

Husar
05-16-2007, 11:12
If I could keep my german passport, I'd take the job.
So, where can I sign up?
Don't worry about the scapegoat, I'll make sure there is no need for one. :sweatdrop:

KafirChobee
05-16-2007, 18:10
Maybe they'd like a scapegoat too ?
That is hitting the nail on the head. When he is confirmed they ought to change his title to "Bushy's scapegoat", or General in-charge of losing the war (occupation). What was Lute thinking? I mean this job was turned down by everyone else that was approached to take the job - even retired Generals with nothing more to lose ... except maybe their integrity.

On a positive note, atleast he won't be dealing with Rummy. Just Chenney, Gates, Bush, Rice, and 50 or so bureaucratic heads. Gee what fun, to organize what the Prez couldn't.

On the lighter side: http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2007/04/war-czar.asp

rotorgun
05-17-2007, 02:46
I feel that we have taken some turn towards the sublime and surreal. Will he have five stars, or just wear a big WC on his shoulder? Will we all have to learn Russian?

Lemur
05-17-2007, 03:06
I'm just glad that we were able to find someone who could fill in a particular role. You know, a commanding chief sort of person, a chief commander for our unified forces. Why didn't we have a commander-in-chief before now?

KukriKhan
05-17-2007, 16:09
If I could keep my german passport, I'd take the job.
So, where can I sign up?
Don't worry about the scapegoat, I'll make sure there is no need for one. :sweatdrop:


Wait a minute. Is your first name Henry, and last name start with "K"? (:laugh4: Just kidding, old buddy :laugh4: ) I think you had your shot a few years back. On the other hand, I must admit: experience trumps enthusiasm, especially for this job.

Husar
05-17-2007, 16:42
Seems like I don't know the Henry you're talking about.

But why do they always want someone who is younger than 30 and has 40 years of experience in his field?
This is a new kind of warfare for the US so the experience of old generals will not necessarily help much, being more conservative than young people, it may likely even hinder them. I the US need some fresh ideas, I'm here...~:rolleyes: :viking:

KukriKhan
05-17-2007, 16:58
wiki article on the guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger) He was kind of a War Czar in those days.

Husar
05-17-2007, 21:26
He doesn't have the quality of a Bismarck it seems.

But he's not my rolemodel either(hint: my rolemodel might be mentioned in this post :laugh4: ).

And to make it a bit harder(we all know prize questions are too easy these days) let me add Stalin, Saddam, Putin, Hitler, Bush, Schröder, Chavez, Clinton, Queen Elizabeth, Chirac, the Dalai Lama and Heidi Klum.:sweatdrop:

On a more serious note, it has to be quite telling that all of the current generals are either not wanted or do not want the job, someone new and somewhat neutral might help and if the guy is not even from the US(probably unthinkable for any politician), the Iraqis might be surprised and may get the impression that it's not about being part of the US empire after all.
Maybe just one of my weird theories, but I like them.:stupido: