total war 3 [Archive]

Foot

04-11-2007, 18:14

There's already been 4 total war games, so the next one would be number 5.

I guess that Rome as the setting for the next one is very likely, its still a popular era. Napoleonic is another big contender, but with the Lordz starting their own studio, CA might not want to bust in there, in fear of competition. If there was a significant rise in interest for Chinese history (All the "crouching tiger hidden dragon"-esque films are an indication of this) a total war of the three kingdoms or even earlier would be a fantastic change from the Euro-centric games at the moment.

Foot

CrownOfSwords

04-11-2007, 18:17

I heard there is much talk about Greece total war which I would love, make it run up until the time of alexander now that would be cool! please in the love of god no chinese total war

Foot

04-11-2007, 18:23

I heard there is much talk about Greece total war which I would love, make it run up until the time of alexander now that would be cool! please in the love of god no chinese total war

Why not? If your not interested in that time-period, fair enough, but I could say the same thing about Greece total war, in which case we have not accomplished anything. Some of the periods possible I'm not interested in at all, but they would still make great settings for the total war games. I also had another thought, been reading up about the Assyrian wars with Urartu, and that would make an amazing time period for all out war. You just need to read some of inscriptions they made to record their conquests to realize how much damage they did to these regions.

Foot

Maeran

04-11-2007, 18:42

Why not Chinese Total War? The original game in the series was set in Japan.

I like the idea of Warring States (I think there's a mod, but I'm a little wary of downloading yet another mod) China, I think it works well for the TW game mechanics. You could even have the Emperor represented by the senate/pope thing. Sun Tzu as an ancillary with a command bonus

But I would like to see a new game in the pike and musket period. It just sneaks in at the end of M2TW but other than the cossacks RTS I think this period is poorly served.

Randarkmaan

04-11-2007, 18:58

I would much like a Total war game set from around 600-500 BC to the time of Alexander. With the map covering all of Iran, but not going as far north as in Rome, parts of India should also be included. You could start with the rise of the Persian Empire and end the game with its fall after being conquered by Alexander. That would be fun, factions could be various Greek city states and colonies, Lydia, Persia, Media, Babylon, Egypt and many others.

Otherwise I would prefer far earlier, with the focus on Egypt and the Middle-East. One reason to do this is that the Assyrians should be included in a game, they were one of the first to conquer a large empire, and they fielded the world's first largely professional army, plus they were really, really brutal.

alatar

04-11-2007, 19:27

I can't see a game set before persia unfortuneally...
The units are just so hard to do (thopugh rise of persia did a good job).
More likely a post medival game.

soibean

04-11-2007, 20:32

Im hoping for a post medieval or some other continent total war... I'm just getting tired of having the same layout to work with all the time and there is so much more out there

Wolfshart

04-11-2007, 20:47

I would love to see 1.) A Napoleonic TW main campaign with an Expansion covering the English civil war and American Revolution 2.) Redo of the first title. Shogun with the new graphics would rock! 3.)Civil war total war covering the English civil war, American revolution and American civil war.

-Praetor-

04-11-2007, 20:47

I think that a game made on ancient greece, with all the persian wars, pelloponesian wars and makedonian wars is highly possible (considering it was an exceptionally violent period of world`s history), given that 300 has made a tremendous publicity to that time period. It has risen tremendously the people`s interest on ancient greece, even though it has done so with incorrect historical data...

The marketing job it`s almost done by itself. Given the 300 movie, it would deffinitively sell more than a "China: Total War".

One can only wonder if CA would incluide the "ninjas-immortals", armoured rhinos and spartan-vedettos... but that`s flour from another sack.

Cheers!

Enguerrand de Sarnéac

04-11-2007, 20:55

One can only wonder if CA would incluide the "ninjas-immortals", armoured rhinos and spartan-vedettos... but that`s flour from another sack.

Or try to have a unit overpowering the M:TW cannon-mounted elephants, overpowering the R:TW elephants...

-Praetor-

04-11-2007, 21:02

Or try to have a unit overpowering the M:TW cannon-mounted elephants, overpowering the R:TW elephants...

Like a

Ninja...

Armoured. With something like a....

Cannon. Mounted on a...

Rhino...

OMG!!!! A Rhino-mounted-Armoured-Ninja-Cannoneer!!!! :charge: Run!!!!!

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

04-11-2007, 21:49

I would love 18th & 19th Century: Total War, with all the cool, fancy uniforms, canons, cuirasseers... The only problem would be that this time period is already very focused on colonies, and to represent theese appropiately in the game, you would have to make a three dimensional planet - one can only imagine how powerfull the computer would have to be, necessary to calculate all the 3000 provinces. And it would be really nice if could found your own cities next time...

keravnos

04-11-2007, 21:55

rtw 2

CaesarAugustus

04-11-2007, 22:22

I can't see a game set before persia unfortuneally...
The units are just so hard to do (thopugh rise of persia did a good job).

Thank you for that unintentional recommendation. I just looked at that mod and it seems to be of EB quality! Lucky I can still make copies of my vanilla folder....

As for the next TW game a Napoleonic Era seems most likely, and after that CA will probably make Rome 2 or descend into the underworld of fantasy.:no:

alatar

04-11-2007, 22:38

Nah, The next game will have a new engine, then medivval three:laugh4:

ROP is good, but unstable:embarassed:

Danest

04-12-2007, 00:59

Why not just go back really far in time for the next one? They already have the units for ancient Egypt done from RTW. ;) Really ancient times haven't been touched on too much, on a large scale (more than one country or city-level) as far as I know. How long has Gaul been around, btw? See? ;) I'd have a lot to learn, even from the vanilla version of Ancient Total war, and I'm probably not the only one when it comes to that (comparitively) neglected time period.

LordCurlyton

04-12-2007, 03:00

Egypt: Total War. Could be done. And they should actually let you build the Pyramids.
Shogun: Total War 2. Seems logical and its a nice period of time.
WWI: Total War. Probably the last war that had anything like set-piece static line battles, and would be interesting to see a TW-engine take on it.
Napoleon: Total War + addons like American Revolution, 30 Years War, or even New World: Total War (start from first colonization onwards).
Rome: Total War 2. 'Nuff said. Though this time they should have a campaign that goes longer into the ADs so you don't have the lame "early legionary" and "legionary" cohort deal like in vanilla. Say 272 BC - 118 AD or such (118 AD or around then IS the max entent of Roman Empire, no? A logical place to stop).
China: Total War I'd be intrigued in, but is not particularly high on the list.

DMu

04-12-2007, 03:22

It all depends on who pays the bills.

I mean, There had to be some Japanese billionaire who was willing to pay for the production of STW.

I would think otherwise CA would have gone ahead with MTW first.

DMu

04-12-2007, 03:25

How about World Total War?

With a map the size of earth?

With 200 factions?

Gask

04-12-2007, 03:33

I would just like a game that has the features of rtw + diplomacy that is effected by your actual actions, trade of specific resources, allies that actually send aid. Real time Naval combat + a meaning to the boats and men on them, ie losing a fleet should be freaking devastating to trade and diplomacy + happiness at home.

Something other than endless sieges and cookie cutter field conflicts.:wall:

tynnmahn

04-12-2007, 04:44

I'd like to see a "pre-columbian" americas total war covering both continents and representing period correct tribes/nations/empires (or emerging empires) etc.

I think that would be cool

TynMahn

skuzzy

04-12-2007, 05:11

I would still pick Imperial Total War and there are really just two features that I would really like to see. NAVAL battles and the entire world map available since the theme was colonization of places including Indonesia, Africa, Americas and basically anywhere they could go without being stopped by a unified force. I would also like it to be more dynamically moddable but that's just a laughable proposal. Everyone laugh with me "lolz." Thank you for your cooperation. Imperial Glory was great perspective of what SEGA, a much larger company could achieve and their developers experience with the series in general. Greece Total War would be an interesting proposal. a Pre-renaissance Total War would also be quite interesting and a much more difficulty setting to create an empire, at least in Europe and would also put great use to royal marriages, etc and would set off from the end of M2TW. Basically there are a crapload of periods they could use but I'm sure they will pick one to unsettle my stomach because after all they make me cry at every opportunity.

sgsandor

04-12-2007, 05:59

Well for what it is worth i would like to see greece from 600bce to 350ace to include all the factions. like you can play all factions SPQR THRACE DACIA ARCHE SELEUCIA. each faction would start at a different date like Arche Seleucia would be somehwere around 320bce. i like 4 turn years and reforms, however i hate character based reforms(damn those Agustans why cant i have them) i think china should be included and lower asia like vietnam and thailand or something. Wow i just realized what a nerd i really am

Centurion Varricus

04-12-2007, 09:12

How about something covering native american indians.
For those that like the English civil war and upto Napoleonic period I can recomend CDV's Cossacks series, though the campaigns are not in the same style as RTW.

As for improving the RTW game, I would like to see sieges more realistic with maybe increased time before a blackade is fully in place, and maybe basic local troops being raised with zero recruitment time to bolster the defences but which returns to being civilian after the battle (if they survive)

First World War would be cool too

kalkwerk

04-12-2007, 09:24

I got the feeling theres going to be World of Warcraft Total War. Read an interview with the developers as Rome came out and a fantasy game was one of the things they were thinking about.

Personally I hope its gonna be Rome 2, with supply logistics and supply lines, 1000 000 inhabitants in Rome, 100 factions, founding of colonies and much more politics and roleplay.

Will_YouFight_ForME

04-12-2007, 10:33

Personally I hope its gonna be Rome 2, with supply logistics and supply lines, 1000 000 inhabitants in Rome, 100 factions, founding of colonies and much more politics and roleplay.

i second that =D

Ritterlichvon86

04-12-2007, 15:28

World War I - Total War, or Empires - Total War. I would love that.
The battlemode would be extended, see Sudden Strike 2 as example. Still, you enter combat with the units you built before.
Still, there would be a campaign map with cities - just like in MTW2. The map is extended to America and Africa. However, it needs to be innovative! The cities could be great city-like areas - with pre-built trenches, tank traps, and more. Trenches could also be built before battle - using a similar system as with the longbowmen in medieval. If you fight in the countryside, you might even encounter a few villages that might form hotspots in battle. Fighting on your own ground can be dangerous to farms, however fighting in your own settlements can be devestating.

There is infantry, riders, and a few tanks who are barely as fast as the riders. Cities have action radii around them, so if you are in range, you might be able to call in a small airstrike of light aircrafts (no bombers yet in WW1).

Factions would be like France, The British Empire, Prussia, USA, CSA, Mexico, Austria-Hungary, Poland, The Ottoman Empire, Jugoslavia, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Russia. :juggle2:

New and interesting building systems, settlements can become colonies and give the holder more wealth than the dried out, but high teched european regions who produce the finest soldiers of the known world.

Be Napoleon and conquer the world, unite the USA or build your own British Empire.

Civilize the south americas as Spanish Conquistador or become the Kaiser of Germany.

The Total War team might want to reinvent many parts of their games and to avoid a too simple sequel. :2thumbsup:

Ower

04-12-2007, 15:32

Jugoslavia, didn't exist, before and in WW I. It began as the kingdom of the Serbs, Chroats and Slovinians (spelling?)as a result of WW I

Ritterlichvon86

04-12-2007, 15:46

Oops, thank you :book:

mlc82

04-12-2007, 19:30

I'm going to second something based around ancient Egypt, Bronze Age: TW or something (Babylonians, Assyrians, Hittites, etc).

I just can't imagine how anything with WWI could be fun, unless you turn it into some awful Company of Heroes type of game with weapon ranges being ridiculously short.

Enguerrand de Sarnéac

04-12-2007, 20:00

One about the time of the French-Prussian war, and the Crimean war and other 19th century conflicts. Europe devastaded after the Napoleontic wars, uncountable evolutions in society, also in warfare and tactics. Worldwide, total war... Could be interesting; economic warfare for China and India; America uniting, splitting, uniting again and slowly becoming the great unstoppable (?) war machine of the 20th and 21st century. The Russian Empire in its glory and its struggle; the British Empire in its apparently never ceasing glory on the surface, Prussia as post-Napoleontic war machine...Some minor factions at the start of the game of course.

Factions would be Ottoman Empire, Prussia, France, Greece as an infant state, Victorian Britain, Russian "Arche Seleukeia" Empire, Tokugawa Japan (Meji Reforms! :wacko:)...

It would start somewhere a few years after Napoleon's Doom at Waterloo, perhaps 1920 or 1930 would be nice...Before Victorian Britain... Awefully lot of economic structures and evoluations of course, this would open doors!
Could end a few years before WW I, still somewhere in the 19th century, perhaps 1901 (Queen Victoria's death if I recall it well)

Concerning unit selection the player would witness the rise of fire armed professional troops, uniformed units (awwww...:thumbsdown: ) like redcoats or the blue US troops, the decline of horse mounted units (the total disappearance was only in the first World War), beginning with hussars and dragoons after Napoleon, and going through the Prussian reforms of Bismarck and the Kaisers... if one plays as Japan or eastern factions there would be a significant difference in warfare, so one has to be very careful...

Verrry intersting time, just too much to tell...Maybe even just too much to trust the CA... :smile:

alatar

04-12-2007, 20:02

Nah, WW1 is not a fun bases for a game.
Has to be somthing where you can fight hand to hand.

Elminster12

04-12-2007, 20:21

Why not? If your not interested in that time-period, fair enough, but I could say the same thing about Greece total war, in which case we have not accomplished anything. Some of the periods possible I'm not interested in at all, but they would still make great settings for the total war games. I also had another thought, been reading up about the Assyrian wars with Urartu, and that would make an amazing time period for all out war. You just need to read some of inscriptions they made to record their conquests to realize how much damage they did to these regions.

Foot
I love Chinese history....but I almost think TK era is a bit of a trap. If they wanted to truly depict the variety of the Three Kingdoms, they'd have to up the complexity a little. Most certainly, they'd need a decent logistics engine and a very careful portrayal of how vital the Chang Jiang was to Wu. Otherwise, Wei will just steamroll both of the southern kingdoms. It also doesn't help that many of the nomadic peoples on the border(like the Xiong Nu) weren't in great shape either. I think Warring States would be better, as much as I love TK. China as we know it wasn't even "China" yet.....if they did some research, they could....well, that settles it, they're going TK!:wall:

But yeah....China has 4,000 years of history and spent at least half of it in civil war, I'd wager. Good setting.....

Edit: Oh, they'd absolutely need to have an actual naval battle system. It would be absolutely criminal to NOT have Chi Bi under historical battles because they were too lazy to bite the bullet and do it...

kalkwerk

04-12-2007, 21:04

Most important for me would be a total war game with less war. Ive played so many battles now that im gettin negative traits from it.

Redmeth

04-12-2007, 21:49

Exactly, like kalkwerk said I believe battles in the game should be rarer and more decisive or have more of an impact on the AI, I believe elites should take 2 turns to make, why was that changed, AI not using them? The computer shrugs off crushing defeats as if it were nothing, but if I lose an army I'll probably lose a few cities.
Excuse me, but my Sauromatae campaing against an AS that was victorious over the Ptolies and Baktria is getting to me... Too many battles...

-Praetor-

04-12-2007, 22:04

the decline of horse mounted units (the total disappearance was only in the first World War)

That`s not entirely true...

In WW2 there were a lot of mounted infantry divisions, in the russian side and in the german as well, even in the french army.

They were not so scarce as one may think.

Cheers!

Enguerrand de Sarnéac

04-13-2007, 20:08

As the first World War evoluated to a static war (in trenches and fortress lines) horses were less used for military objectives weren't they? After the lines for infrastructural duties and so; and perhaps in the second World War too. I do remember the last charge of the Polish lancers on the German tanks (if it's not entirely an urban legend), but were cavalry units used in any significant numbers on the battlefields after '18?

Ah yeah...the Russians...

tynnmahn

04-13-2007, 21:08

or How about something set around the time of the Hebrew conquest of Canaan. That'd be cool

mAIOR

04-13-2007, 22:49

I'd love a WWII total war... It would be awsome :)

Cheers...

MarcusAureliusAntoninus

04-13-2007, 22:59

If anyone has "Total War Eras", there is a bonus DVD included with it. On it the head of Creative Assembly explains how and why they chose the eras that they did for Total War games. He says something about needing "many factions vying for power" and "change in technology" for them to choose and era.

Just a hint to what might be in the future for Total War, based on their opinions of good time periods.

LordCurlyton

04-14-2007, 04:14

Rilder

04-14-2007, 04:26

As long as it can be modded to be in the time frame of RTW, and isn't full of Asian stuff. (Not to sound racist I just don't like asian stuff)

-Praetor-

04-14-2007, 07:11

Answering to Enguerrand de Sarnéac, concerning the cavalry (off-topic):

I do remember the last charge of the Polish lancers on the German tanks (if it's not entirely an urban legend), but were cavalry units used in any significant numbers on the battlefields after '18?

Ah yeah...the Russians...

Well, firstly the russians. Make no mistake about it, they were well known for human wave assaults against entrentched positions following the best traditions of WW1. That kind of tactics were employed, not in few times, with cavalry regiments and entire mounted divisions at a time. Those divisions were formed of mogolic and asian contingents, strongly attached to life on horse. There`s no need to state the horrendous calamities that followed a cavalry charge against an entrentched position of a comparatively tiny enemy force, well equiped with the simples of the machineguns.

The Polish had an even more organized sistem of cavalry divisions. There was 30 cavalry regiments (10 divisions) and 10 mounted chasseurs regiments (divisionary cavalry).

The germans made extensive use of horses during the entire war, and even made some cavalry divisions even during the Reichswehr period (1919-1933).

For instance, of the 100.000 men contingent permitted for the Reichswehr, 16% belonged to cavalry units.

All that said, not counting all the hippo-movile artillery regiments, and logistical lines based on horse traction.

A couple of pages about German and Polish cavalry divisions (alas, they`re in spanish):

http://www.militar.org.ua/militar/_artic-2GM-cab_pol.html
http://www.militar.org.ua/militar/_artic-2GM-cab_alem.html

Cheers!

PS: Sorry for the off-topic.

CountArach

04-14-2007, 07:23

I don't care when it is, because regardless of when it is, CA will butcher it. :P

As long as it is moddable and the AI/Diplomacy is above average, then I will be happy.

mlc82

04-14-2007, 19:42

And so WWI: Total War is a good choice (don't even try to sya that tech didn't change the way war was fought pre- and post-), as well as Egypt: Total War is you make the timespan long enough (bronze Age to Iron Age, adoption of chariots, etc).

I just can't see how the TW engine could possibly handle 20th century rifles, machine guns, aircraft, and etc in a way that would avoid being ridiculous (Company of Heroes style clickfest, soldiers with life bars, etc). An engine made to handle ancient and medieval era hand to hand combat couldn't hope to have a chance modelling weapons with ranges that would sometimes reach all the way across the map.

Unless you wanted to make it truly silly and give different branches of units special powers Command and Conquer style (ie, "sappers" who have a special attack of demo charges, gimmicky snipers, and etc) you'd really just be stuck with the basic rifle armed infantry , machine guns, tanks, cavalry to be slaughtered, and the occasional aircraft which wouldn't fit the game system at all.

kalkwerk

04-14-2007, 20:06

If you want a good WW2 game: HoI 2 DD stony road.

I cant imagine total war games beyond the napoleonic wars, really. The concept of battles is quite another in later wars.

alatar

04-14-2007, 20:57

My dream is a game with the Total war battle map, like HOI only fully 3d with every unit there.
Then a Mod for it that covers the entire history of man with emerging factions, and such going on to the future.

It will never happen but it would be great:laugh4:

I mean imagine having your watch tower notice a aroching enemy army, and you despratly open the city menu and build a wall watching them get closer and closer:laugh4:

Or entiring a battle hopeing to hold them off long enough for your main army to arrive.

blank

04-14-2007, 22:04

CA should leave the graphics as they are and focus on AI, diplomacy and, if there's time left, naval battles.

If they did that i wouldn't care what era it was :2thumbsup:
Sadly, it's not going to happen :embarassed:

alatar

04-14-2007, 22:18

Actually have faith, in 20 years game graphics will be a good as there ever going to get and then they'll have to work on the ai.

blank

04-14-2007, 22:32

Actually have faith, in 20 years game graphics will be a good as there ever going to get and then they'll have to work on the ai.

YES!!!

only 20 more years to wait!!! :idea2:

oh, wait...

alatar

04-14-2007, 22:34

Hey cheer up, it will be there eventually:skull:

Seriously once graphics is no longer a selling point, gameplay will at last return to the most important thing.
BTW it mught not be 20 years, I mean look at games 10 years ago compared to now, maybe it will only be 19 years:laugh4:

Orb

04-14-2007, 22:52

Raso, if you do not change that sig, I will send naked 2HP barbarian loonies to your house.

NeoSpartan

04-14-2007, 23:18

Ok I like a lot of the proposals BUT we don't need no RTW2!:whip:

Come one fellas..... think...

EB=RTW2, and EB2=RTW3 :yes:

If you think I am wrong, play vanilla RTW and you will see what I mean......

Will_YouFight_ForME

04-15-2007, 00:11

ha ha very funny

but EB can never be RTW2 because it cant get passed the 'HARDCODED issues'
:sweatdrop:

NeoSpartan

04-15-2007, 01:05

ha ha very funny

but EB can never be RTW2 because it cant get passed the 'HARDCODED issues'
:sweatdrop:

I have 2 questions for you:
1-Have you played vanilla RTW recently?
2-Have you played it for longer than 6hrs?

I am not Bashing CA. It know it may seem like it but I am not. You see, the level of game detail, history, descritions, character traits, factional and regional MIC's, etc.... Dude... its insane the depth to which the EB team has taken RTW to.

Seriously, run RTW.exe play with the Juliaii (sp) faction. Read the building and unit descriptions, fight the Gauls, play some huge battles. See the development of your characters. And recruit a Legionary Cohort by 250 BC in central Gaul.

blank

04-15-2007, 01:09

See the development of your characters. And recruit a Legionary Cohort by 250 BC in central Gaul.

screw the legionaries, get some pigs, dogs and ninjas instead! :turtle:

CaesarAugustus

04-15-2007, 01:17

And then travel to the steppes to fight some Yubsteb elephants!:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

Boyar Son

04-15-2007, 01:52

And then travel to the steppes to fight some Yubsteb elephants!:elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

GASP!! you've seen them? what do they look like? I tried to find them but my RTW is broken.

Can you post a pic?? PLZZZZZ!!!!:2thumbsup: :yes:

-Praetor-

04-15-2007, 06:09

Raso, if you do not change that sig, I will send naked 2HP barbarian loonies to your house.

You`re such a nagger... :grin:

CaesarAugustus

04-15-2007, 17:49

GASP!! you've seen them? what do they look like? I tried to find them but my RTW is broken.

Can you post a pic?? PLZZZZZ!!!!:2thumbsup: :yes:

Sorry, I don't have a pic and I'd have to start a whole new vanilla campiagn to get one.

EDIT: Here they are (http://www.onlinedesert.com/rtw/?faction=slave&id=407)with their stats they are just super-powerful elephants that the Amazons have in the Russian steppes they are also a merc unit that pops up randomly in your vanilla campaign.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

04-15-2007, 18:39

I never encountered those Yubtseb Elephants in my Vanilla campaigns, only normal elephants.

Btw, read "Yubtseb" backwards and you get "Bestbuy". :stupido2:

-Praetor-

04-15-2007, 18:47

I never encountered those Yubtseb Elephants in my Vanilla campaigns, only normal elephants.

Btw, read "Yubtseb" backwards and you get "Bestbuy". :stupido2:

I once did, in a vainilla julii-roman campaign, when corinth rebelled...

I felt like I was fighting the Pelennor fields battle, only that there was no ghost army to save me. They massacred my entire legion and 2 FM...

Marius Dynamite

04-15-2007, 19:08

WW2 total war would be so unbelievably cool. I think its impossible though. It would really be a case of making an entire new franchise with 'TW' on the end. Imagine the trailer though.

You see someone looking over a field from inside a metllic box of somesort. Then you see 3 Sherman Fireflys rolling over the hill followed by 20 or 30 more. Your view zooms out and you see you were seeing a view from a Panther. Then the view spins and behind the panther is about 30 more German tanks behind the panther. They roll towards each other.

WW2: Total War!!

Then you see a sherman with 3 calliopes stacked on it with aa ninja driving it in the true CA fashion. :-)

I think Napoleonic will be next.

Kugutsu

04-15-2007, 19:16

Sea warfare was a major part of warfare by that time (especially for the British). Without a serious effort at modelling sea battles, I dont think the Napoleonic period could be done justice.

Randarkmaan

04-15-2007, 20:28

I'll have to second that; CA should focus on including real time sea battles in their next game.

Boyar Son

04-15-2007, 21:54

I never encountered those Yubtseb Elephants in my Vanilla campaigns, only normal elephants.

Btw, read "Yubtseb" backwards and you get "Bestbuy". :stupido2:

Hmm... so CA has problems with best buy?!?!?

I bought my RTW from best buy...

also..."Gnitekram" =marketing!

Intranetusa

04-16-2007, 00:41

How about World Total War?

With a map the size of earth?

With 200 factions?

WOOOOOOT

Dyabedes of Aphrodisias

04-16-2007, 03:16

Napolion: Total War or Rome 2: Total War for me.

I see people saying WWI: Total War...Yeah, it'd be quite new and interesting, but how many different units and factions can there possibly be? Machinegun crew, rifleman, flamethrower operator, officers, a few cavalry, various tanks and biplanes and a few bombers. Factions would be Great Britain, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy, Russia, Serbia, the Ottoman Empire, the United States and Bulgaria. There isn't really much to work with there. And also the engine would have to track every projectile; you'd need an insane machine to run it. That style of warfare would be rediculous in a Total War style game.

Now, the Napolionic Era is promising. Lots of options and factions and mostly a Total-War-esque fighting style. But only if you're allowed to command sea battles and as long as they implement it well (wouldn't be the most interesting, but it would be different and fun; two lines firing at each other with the occasional flaming ship heading toward you loaded with powder kegs).

But I can still hope for a Rome 2 to give them another try at it...

Conqueror

04-16-2007, 09:30

MarcusAureliusAntoninus

04-16-2007, 21:16

Much as I'd love to see a TW on the Warring States period of China, I think CA would sooner go for Shogun II. It does good for the sales of any game to have a ninja and/or samurai on the cover https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5370/ninjacn3.gif
They could put a ninja on a China:TW game cover. It's almost certain that a TW game in China (or probably any of Asia) would have ninjas in it...

Palasta

05-12-2007, 12:01

I also hope for a new Shogun:Total War. Recently i have played S:TW but the graphics and the gameplay are just out of time and cannot match with R:TW or M:TW. So it would be really really reallyyy nice if they do a "remake". It would be an interesting experience playing such important historical chapter of old nippon.

Besides that, it would be possible to equal the troopnumbers. I dont know for sure, but i think the Japanese didnt use massive numbers of soldiers on the battlefields like in Europe. So i assume they could make "realistic" troopnumber as an option.

Yeah, and i hope one day i will see an army of tenthousands of polygonfighters on a virtual battlefield. *megalomaniac smile*

:beam:

Tretii

05-12-2007, 12:30

Personally i would be interested in the game set in dark age times. The fall of Roman empire, the whole collapse of civilization, mass hordes of barbarians, the feeling of apocalypse really. That would be THE game, baby.

cunctator

05-12-2007, 15:12

Late Bronze Age: Total War with a 1550 BC -1200 Bc timeframe. A rather well known but rarely used period that saw the climax of chariot warfare and offers lot's of interesting factions. Like the Hittites, Mycenaeans, New Kingdom Egypt (at this point still the part of upper egypt controlled by Thebes), Minoans, Mitanni, Kerma, the Hyksos etc. while none of them is a superpower yet.

As map area maybe something like this:
https://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7256/map3do9.th.jpg (https://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=map3do9.jpg)

Boyar Son

05-12-2007, 15:20

I would prefer that the southern parts be cut out. It goes to far down into Africa and Arabia.

cunctator

05-12-2007, 15:43

I wanted to include all of the later egyptian territories in africa, that's the whole Nile valley down to the Gebel barka/Napata, roughly the southern edge of the map. Also the kingdom of Kerma was an important regional power at the time the New Kingdom was founded and the Hyksos defeated.

EasternScourge

05-12-2007, 19:44

Personally,I would agree with these people who want a game based in the Middle East region.I read a book about the history of the Middle East,and it sounded like it would be some really good material for a game.Though China and Shogun:Total War II don't seem too bad.Maybe an Asia:Total War?

Beefy187

05-12-2007, 23:26

what about risk total war (i gotta think of better title)
where you can pick about 30 random nation and place it on random map so it wont be too heavy. This way you can have Roman legionaries fighting Japanese Ninjas or something crazy like that.

what do you think?

-Praetor-

05-13-2007, 01:27

Boyar Son

05-13-2007, 03:35

This game would be awesome!

Minoans
Mycenians
Mitanni
Hyksos
Egypt
Others!

CrownOfSwords

05-13-2007, 03:56

Ok PLEASE NO FANTASY total war anything, if CA produces some bs like world of warcraft tw they will never see my money again. And NO ww1 or ww2 total war!! would not work there are plenty of ww2 games out there please go play those instead! I recommend the close combat series. I said no China tw because I am simply just not interested in Chinese history sorry. Some kind of Mesopotamia total war would be interesting, but I would rather see it in a mod rather than the next TW game. My hope is for a Greece TW something like Hegemonia is making right now, but they have to bring in naval battles!!! what a great time peroid to add naval battles into the first tw game. Yet this naval battle system needs to be rather extensive, I want to be able to board enemy ships with marines or simply ram them to the bottom of the ocean!

Edit: Yes that map above and time peroid would also be awesome! Could still bring in naval battles! But they also need to make it very moddable because I see the brewing of the ultimate Napoleonic TW mod!

Boyar Son

05-13-2007, 04:21

Oh but for the Mid east TW the minoans will only have one settlement (their island).

This game beat all else!

Xtiaan72

05-13-2007, 04:22

temenid

05-13-2007, 04:27

I'd like to see a game set during the rise and fall of the Mongols, especially if logistics was accurately modelled. Unfortunately it'd be difficult to make a TW game that included both Java and Hungary on the map, unless you represented terrain and politics at a fairly high level of abstraction.

Samurai Waki

05-13-2007, 08:21

...anything but Post Pike & Musket. Not that I dislike the Napoleonic era, actually very far from, but I fear that more than anything else, CA couldn't do the tactics any justice, perhaps they could, but after the P&M Era is when things started to get a lot more complicated, plus they'd have the problem of dealing with well read Napoleonic Scholars inside and out of the Corporation who would demand perfection, perhaps this would be for the best... perhaps not. But, the game would lose some sense of it's unique flavour, in exchange for realism, and this doesn't necessarily equate to playability.

...there is most definantly a reason Napoleonic Table Top Gamers are Called Grognards; and it isn't for the weak of heart.

bovi

05-13-2007, 08:49

I believe CA will put gameplay and cost-effectiveness before historical accuracy any day. They wouldn't have to deal with anyone demanding perfection, as those would not be in any position to make demands.

cunctator

05-13-2007, 09:25

Oh but for the Mid east TW the minoans will only have one settlement (their island).

With the R:TW/M:TW2 engine it would be easily possible to double the scale for the map posted above and it would still be slightly smaller than the EB map (335003 pixels on the height map compared to EBs 360661). In this case there could be 3 or 4 provinces on crete and sufficient detail in other regions as the fertile crescent too. 31 faction slots would allow to represent all the major players plus a lot of the smaller (city) states and tribes on the map.

https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7769/mapheightssf3.th.jpg (https://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapheightssf3.jpg)https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2069/mapheightsebrd4.th.jpg (https://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mapheightsebrd4.jpg)

kalkwerk

05-13-2007, 11:20

Ok PLEASE NO FANTASY total war anything, if CA produces some bs like world of warcraft tw they will never see my money again.
I got the feeling this is what theyre up to. Although they wont see your (or mine) money again, fantasy is where they will find a lot more ne customers and they rely on the total war addicts not to have too hard principles.

nstarun

05-13-2007, 13:18

I doubt they will do Greece Total War considering Rome did an Alexander expansion. What I wonder is if there will be a third Medieval expansion before Total War 3. I think that is totally possible considering that's what they did with Rome.

I love the Total War series. They are the only games that stay on my hard drive and probably always will. But has anybody noticed that in the reviews for Medieval 2, it got slightly lower scores than Rome do to the fact that the interface really hasn't changed much for the entire series. In other words the engine and graphics have improved but it's starting to feel like 'more of the same'.

I really think they should put a lot of thought into modernizing the interface and introducing completely new directions in the game such as naval combat and a completely overhauled diplomacy system. Imagine amphibious assaults on blockaded ports. Battles that start as naval combat and end with troops wading on to beaches and fighting to secure a foothold.

As far as Total War 3, I think they should come full circle and do another Shogun but expand the map to include China, Korean and Mongol faction.

Actually, i can definitely see Greece being the primary setting for the next TW game. There is rich diversity between the city-states, from governmental organization to military philosophy, and they were in constant competition with each other. Furthermore, there were significant technological developments from, say, 600-Alexander's era.

The primary reason for this setting, however, has to be CA's need to make a return on their investment - as was said earlier, ancient greece is hot right now :2thumbsup: 300 was a huge movie which wont be soon forgot and that equates to free marketing.

As for modernizing the interface, so right. The series has become somewhat stagnant and needs a face lift. If I were in charge, players would have a lot more input on influencing the direction of their faction. Decisions on military organization (eg. slow and powerful infantry vs. speedy ranged armies), political or religious organization, etc.

Xtiaan72

05-13-2007, 16:57

Actually, i can definitely see Greece being the primary setting for the next TW game. There is rich diversity between the city-states, from governmental organization to military philosophy, and they were in constant competition with each other. Furthermore, there were significant technological developments from, say, 600-Alexander's era.

I agree that the setting is cool especially if they added naval warfare, ramming boats and boarding parties and what not. I don't see how you could simulate that era without that. But I wonder about unit variety in that era if the scope is just Greece. Basically Militia Hoplites slowing walking across the battlefield and pushing against each other for ten minutes. Thats cool for a while but gets pretty old after say 200 or 300 years.There is nothing that can be done about that if you want to be realistic. That's the way they fought and we all know that. The Alexander mod gets tedious for that reason. Slowly walking to Asia with big long spears. That ain't gonna sell like a Medieval, Roman or Japanese setting. In a way Ca is running out of settings and time periods for this engine. It will be Rome or Japan again I imagine ( which is fine with me and it seem to be good sellers for them.)

Tiberius Nero

05-13-2007, 16:59

I would be content with "Caveman TW" as long as the AI was decent, to be honest. If CA continues focusing on flashy graphics and giving us games with non existent AI, I am not going to try it, whatever they might release.

Xtiaan72

05-13-2007, 21:49

True that!

Artorius Rex

05-27-2007, 01:01

I would love a Total War about ancient Israel beginning with King Saul. At that time (just like today) Israel was surrounded by people who either wanted their lands, or just didn't like them at all. Thats what I would like in the new total war.

Owen the Mighty

05-27-2007, 20:40

Hm.....what about the Dark Ages? They cover this a bit in Medieval, but what about having it as the central time period? Early factions could be Saxons, Angles, or Celts, and later factions could include Anglo-Saxons, Danes, and Franks......

Obelics

05-27-2007, 21:16

I want to pilot my Triremeeees!!!

So, for me, whatever game settled in rome or grece is ok, but people, could you just think to the spectacle of seeing your big Eye boots surfing on the see... it was a dream of the childhold, i saw all that "peplum" genre film on the tv...

I want the triremes.... yes.
And i could be very happy even with the same quality graphic of rome tw, not medieval. I think if they kept the same graphic of RTW but added the navy battles, that could have been a game....

ALSO: The sea should be divided in "Zones" like provinces on the terrain map, so if you put a fleet on a sea Zone, let's say the Ionian sea zone, you control that zone of the sea and the traffics, so, if an enemy want to take control of that zone, have to attack your fleet....
If i control a particular zone, nobody can pass trhought that zone, so the enemy cant transport his troops, and have to face my fleet to take control...
I cant even disembark my troops on a particular coastal province, if ive not the control of the sea zone adjacent that province...

Again in the faction victory condition, there should be some Sea "zones" to fully control, as in normal terrain provinces....

AH! just a dream...

Dan_Grr

05-27-2007, 22:03

I could have any total war game as long as it has a decent A.I., but I feel particularly inclined to something related to the Three Kingdoms in China.

Cadwalader

05-27-2007, 22:16

The sea should be divided in "Zones" like provinces on the terrain map, so if you put a fleet on a sea Zone, let's say the Ionian sea zone, you control that zone of the sea and the traffics, so, if an enemy want to take control of that zone, have to attack your fleet....
If i control a particular zone, nobody can pass trhought that zone, so the enemy cant transport his troops, and have to face my fleet to take control...
I cant even disembark my troops on a particular coastal province, if ive not the control of the sea zone adjacent that province...

Again in the faction victory condition, there should be some Sea "zones" to fully control, as in normal terrain provinces....

AH! just a dream...

That's exactly how it was in medieval.

Obelics

05-27-2007, 22:21

That's exactly how it was in medieval.

Ah! So they just lost somethink along the way...

Cadwalader

05-27-2007, 22:27

Ah! So they just lost somethink along the way...

Actually it was rather tedious.. I didn't really like the risk-like campaign map they had in medieval.. it was inflexible.

Obelics

05-27-2007, 22:35

well, i say the sea zone should be like in Rome, you can move inside it (not risk-like), but if they are controlled by another faction, it is like entering in an enemy province with your troops like in Rome. Could be seen as an hostile act.
All the shores should be divided in sea Zones, except the external sea or the central part of the mediterranean who should be "unconquerable" like the desert province in EB.

CrownOfSwords

05-27-2007, 22:57

Yeah thats a good idea, I really just want them to make a solid sea battle system complete with ramming and boarding parties!:charge:

Pharnakes

05-27-2007, 23:38

Personaly I couldn't care if they make a fantasy one, so long as the AI is decent and they include sea battles and a proper multiplayer campaign. For the rest like I say I couldn't care if its fantasy, provided they make it fully moddable, the modability is the important part, after all, then you can make it into anything you like if it is sufficently moddable...

Goatus_Boyus

05-28-2007, 03:47

The Napoleon Period,the depth and scope this could have is huge,unless they are planning on redoing what they have already done.

Dan_Grr

05-28-2007, 14:21

There is one Napoleonic game being developed at this time by the Lordz, remember, those guys who were modding Medieval I and opened up their own studios. Personally I don't like that era, but I wish them good luck and hopefully something cool will come out of it.

alman7272

05-28-2007, 15:13

A game with China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, India...drool

Cadwalader

05-28-2007, 22:42