who still plays RTW

[moderniconoclast]

just the normal version, 1.5, untouched version (apart from mods like the spartan skin). all this time i never knew there was Europa Barbaroum and i just ignored Rome Total Realism. im downloading both now but im not sure if i want to abandon RTW. so to answer my question anyone still play undiluted RTW?

[professorspatula]

If you looked on page two of this forum, you'd find this thread entitled "How many play vanillla and how many use mods?":

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=81606


Pretty much the same question already answered really.

[paul_kiss]

- Be thou prepared to have your troops knocked out from a city by a rebellion when population reaches ±30,000. Once outside, there's no other way to pacify the city except assaulting and the MASSACRE that follows. Your people will not ever appreciate all good things you've done for them.

[Poulp']

there is still at least one poor guy with a prehistorical computer who still plays RTW

[Caius]

2 tgen

[guineawolf]

If you looked on page two of this forum, you'd find this thread entitled "How many play vanillla and how many use mods?":

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=81606


Pretty much the same question already answered really.

i am playing RTW 1.1.:yes:

[paul_kiss]

- Be thou prepared to have your troops knocked out from a city by a rebellion when population reaches ±30,000. Once outside, there's no other way to pacify the city except assaulting and the MASSACRE that follows. Your people will not ever appreciate all good things you've done for them.I'm sorry to say, but this post #3 was posted by me mistakingly. Sorry, and I'm asking moderators to remove it, as well as this post.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I'm a little strange in this department. Instead of progressing with the time and mods, I have gone back to M:TW. It most certainly suits me and my playing style much more than R:TW ever has done, even with modding. The detail and complexity on the battle-map and strategic map certainly is a massive improvement over Rome - immersing one into Medieval politics with framing of men, assasinations, treason, civil war, excommunication, betrayal and enginious AI which actually uses all possible tactics against the player. With that excellent game on the shelf, I doubt that I will ever have to return to the next generation of TW games again.

[redriver]

I'm a little strange in this department. Instead of progressing with the time and mods, I have gone back to M:TW. It most certainly suits me and my playing style much more than R:TW ever has done, even with modding. The detail and complexity on the battle-map and strategic map certainly is a massive improvement over Rome - immersing one into Medieval politics with framing of men, assasinations, treason, civil war, excommunication, betrayal and enginious AI which actually uses all possible tactics against the player. With that excellent game on the shelf, I doubt that I will ever have to return to the next generation of TW games again.

give the Chivalry mod a try.. it's done based on RTW1.5/1.6 and is a full conversion mod for early era.

myself, I play both RTW 1.5 and Chivalry mod... why buy a new computer for just m2tw when there's Chivalry ;)

Chivalry Forums (http://www.stratcommandcenter.com//forums/index.php?showforum=40)

[moderniconoclast]

there is still at least one poor guy with a prehistorical computer who still plays RTW

my computer is fairly new ~:) but yeah i downloaded said mods and being the n00b i am cant install them properly. with RTR it just extracts files and says hit any key to continue and then nothing happens. with EB when i click on the icon it says cannt find RTW.exe

help please :elephant:

[Shieldmaiden]

I just purchased the Rome Total War Anthology.

I expect to be obsessed by vanilla RTW, BI, and Alexander for long time. Oh wait, mods too? Couple of years then.

I never got into Medieval as much as I did Shogun (and Rome) partially because of technical problems but because its a period of history I'm not especially interested in, and not exotic and new to me a la Shogun.

I've found ALL the Total War games excellent though. Shogun a great pace and exotic "feel" to it. Medieval is huge and deep and "serious", Rome is very entertaining, albeit much more "hollywood".

In the end, I'd recommend trying all 3.

[moderniconoclast]

i thought the alexander one was very poor

[il-principe]

i thought the alexander one was very poor

I've only started Alexander, but it feels not bad. Only one campaign in the whole game might be indeed a bit poor, but at least you can conquer the known world with Alexander.

P.S.: I'm also still playing "vanilla", but I also tried some mods like Europa Barbarorum, Rise of Persia, Rome Total Realism and the Extended Greek Mod, which seems best so far.

[moderniconoclast]

im downloaded extneded greeks now and it just installed, i think ill play it now.

as for Alexander; the campaign map was rubbish

100 turns? bah

wave after wave after wave of barbarians, egyptians part 2 :smash:

in general im dissapointed by it

[il-principe]

im downloaded extneded greeks now and it just installed, i think ill play it now.

as for Alexander; the campaign map was rubbish

100 turns? bah

wave after wave after wave of barbarians, egyptians part 2 :smash:

in general im dissapointed by it

I haven't had the chance to play Alexander much, but it also think that it could have been better... Although generally I like the idea much as I'm a big fan of Alexander's conquest:yes:

[Poulp']

I just purchased the Rome Total War Anthology.

I expect to be obsessed by vanilla RTW, BI, and Alexander for long time. Oh wait, mods too? Couple of years then.

and if you begin to mod it yourself (Ikea total war) it means a lifetime

[Csargo]

Until 1.2 patch for M2TW I've gone back to RTW would have went back to MTW, but I can't seem to get it to install.

[moderniconoclast]

i just played the greek mod and waoh theres a difference. map is much bigger, less factions more real and so forth. i would like to play the bigger patchs though

[Shieldmaiden]

and if you begin to mod it yourself (Ikea total war) it means a lifetime

Its funny you said that, I've only owned Rome for a week and now I'm tinkering in export_descr_buildings to fix a few things in 1.5 (Epona, Academy law bonus, etc)... Its really easy to begin changing stuff...

Slightly off-topic but I'd appreciate a reply or PM on how/where Praetorian Cohorts and Cavalry were originally trained in 1.0, etc? 1.5 seems strange, you can train them in the Army Barracks, it makes Legionary Cohorts immediately obsolete...

Sorry, back on topic.

[moderniconoclast]

meh i always ignored Romans, never liked them.

as for the alexander i think ill re-install it and mess around with it so i can be persians. and coulds someone please try and help me with my installation problmes ~:)

[YENKO]

I finished my Julii campaign, am now at my Brutii campaign (was almost done, but reloaded an older save and this time i am playing it differently, and am 'engineering' my Governors alot (for good traits) etc. This time i will conquer the whole world before finishing the campaign. With those 2 roman factions done, i doubt i will play the Scipii, since i am already now conquering most of Africa. So, instead of playing some barbarian faction, or BI (which i have, but uninstalled) i am rather positively puzzled by the EB. I think i will install it and play it, to never go back to vanilla RTW. New computer is on the way, and will give M:TW2 a try i believe, but only after the patch, means, after the forums give the general 'go' to it. Until then, will enjoy R:TW.
I am inclined to defensive gameplay and am enjoying the R:TW sieges. M:TW (one) had bad sieges, didnt liked it.
What i am kinda missing in Rome, is the feature where you could build certain extraneous exotic units if you conquered certain provinces. I think the Swiss armored pikemen were the best back then :) Played M:TW for very long time, once deep into Napoleonic era lol.:2thumbsup:
The only modification i did in R:TW was to 'paint' my Roman faction units in red, no matter what faction i am playing. Scipii blue is ok, kinda, but Brutii green gives me nausea, on battlefield or strategical map.:thumbsdown:
Plus, i always imagined the mighty Roman Legions as a organized blob of shiny armored soldiers clad in red tunics.

Y.

[moderniconoclast]

~:)

the greek one is awesome! one bad thing though, my favourite unit is gone!!! the armoured hoplites are no more. even if i could just replace the hoplites helmet with the old armoured one that would be a lot better :thumbsdown:

[B-DogKY]

I have to admit I'm a bit puzzled by those who say they still play MTW. Don't get me wrong, I loved it before RTW, but after reading all the posts about how many people still enjoy MTW, I thought I'd go back and give it a whirl again. I dunno, for me it's like trying to go back to an earlier Madden game, the controls are clunky, the guys are too big, and after the AI sent a 5 BG army after my 10 spearman 1 BG army (spearmen own cav, right, rock paper scissors, riiiiiiight), I was just done. I will say the tactical AI seems a bit better as it did not passively give me the high ground like it always does in Rome, but this was not enough to make up for the slow pace of the battles. I don't mean the time spent fighting, I mean the time spent manuvering your guys just to try and pull off something resembling a coordinated attack. I also have to say that RTW fixed one of the most annoying things about MTW for me and that is the fix where the army units maintain their position relative to the other units. That usta drive me absolutely buggy in MTW. Talk about micromanagement. I also hafta say I prefer the non-Risk campaign map, altho I know it has caused problems with the campaign AI. I hafta agree with a guy who said the new (more realistic) campaign map allows him to become more immersed in the game. Overall, I hafta say that when MTW was first out, it was the best game for me, but RTW pwns it in so many ways for me, and unfortunately, much like life, you can never go home again....

[Celt Centurion]

Its funny you said that, I've only owned Rome for a week and now I'm tinkering in export_descr_buildings to fix a few things in 1.5 (Epona, Academy law bonus, etc)... Its really easy to begin changing stuff...

Slightly off-topic but I'd appreciate a reply or PM on how/where Praetorian Cohorts and Cavalry were originally trained in 1.0, etc? 1.5 seems strange, you can train them in the Army Barracks, it makes Legionary Cohorts immediately obsolete...

Sorry, back on topic.

Shieldmaiden,

As to the Praetorian Cohorts and Legionary Cohorts, I actually prefer the Legionary Cohorts. In the Civil War, I've beaten Praetorian Cohorts with Legionaries, and if I remember correctly, Praetorians cost more. The one advantage I've seen with Praetorians is that there have been times when the barracks was damaged that I could train Praetorians and not Legionaries. Could it be that a Political building gets Praetorians, while the Army Barracks produces the Legionaries? Recruit yourself some Legionaries and pit them against Praetorians. I truly believe that you will defeat them.

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion

[Celt Centurion]

This time i will conquer the whole world before finishing the campaign. With those 2 roman factions done, i doubt i will play the Scipii, since i am already now conquering most of Africa. .

Yenko,

We all know that it is a matter of choice, but I'd like to let you know that playing as Scipii gives you some tremendous advantages using the temples of Vulcan and Neptune.

Vulcan temples allow you to develop armour beyond the building such as smithy, armourer, or foundry. This includes upgrades in addition to "gold" armour.

Neptune temples give you two additional types of ships. By building fleets, and then retraining them at a port, shipwright, or dockyard that has a temple of Vulcan nearby makes them even more formidable.

Your choice, but I was not aware if you are aware of the usefulness of those two temples, available through the Scipii faction.

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi,

Could it be that a Political building gets Praetorians, while the Army Barracks produces the Legionaries?Yep, you are correct. The Pretorian Cohorts require government building Level 4 (Large City) to be trained in the game.
give the Chivalry mod a try.. it's done based on RTW1.5/1.6 and is a full conversion mod for early era.I did give Chivalry a good long try, quite a while ago, and I rather enjoyed the way things were done - it was a good and entertaining experience. Unfortunately, as with all modifications, I could simply see the R:TW engine was there - restricting what the mod could actually do through the horrible hard-codes that the CA placed into the game. Although Chivalry was good, and could have been better without hardcoded limits, M:TW simply can do the things that you cannot do in any modification on the R:TW engine with more detail, more tactics and more backstabbing!

[Shieldmaiden]

Hi,
Yep, you are correct. The Pretorian Cohorts require government building Level 4 (Large City) to be trained in the game.

You are able to train a Praetorian Cohort from an Imperial Palace AND an Army Barracks. It would make more sense and be more consistent in the Roman tech-tree if Imperial Palace only.

Thats why I wondered if its intentional or a bug?

[YENKO]

Vulcan temples allow you to develop armour beyond the building such as smithy, armourer, or foundry. This includes upgrades in addition to "gold" armour.

Neptune temples give you two additional types of ships. By building fleets, and then retraining them at a port, shipwright, or dockyard that has a temple of Vulcan nearby makes them even more formidable.

Your choice, but I was not aware if you are aware of the usefulness of those two temples, available through the Scipii faction.

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion


Thanks for your insights. Yes, i know about the Corvus Quinquireme and Decere, but, since i am obsessed with sea dominance (sometimes with dire repecussions on my armies), i always end up with the strongest navy on the map. After that its really, really easy to mantain the dominance: just dont allow the enemy (-ies) to assemble a fleet, and any 2-bit navy of yours is able to beat their one-ship navy easily.

I never experimented with the extra armour bonus from the Scipii temples. Might be worth a try. Fact is, the Brutii temple (Mars) gives +3 valor, which makes most other faction's heavy infantry almost obsolete.
Hmm extra armour eh? Might be cool to play with those friggin Egyptian chariots extra-armored, eh? Ah dang! I guess im not yet 'done', will have to try the Scipii too! (clad in red, and not blue, of course he he).

Have fun!!

Y.

[Rocketman]

I still play the standard RTW, though I'm more of a Barbarian Invasion player. :rtwyes:

[bedlam28]

Hi, I've been playing RTW now for about a year, Completed as Egypt after my first disasterous attempt at Scipii ( my first shot totally failed on money and squalor )
and now back in Roman garb currently taking on the senate in a messy civil war. Lovin it.

Havent tried Mods yet for fear of messing up my standard game, though I've just bought a new computer with Vista so might be the time to explore...

[mightilyoats]

I still play RTW vanilla with just a few small mods of my own, like giving all factions paved roads. I hate walking through the African desert for 8 turns to get to Nepte... It helps a bit on the economic side as well.

[moderniconoclast]

its good to know that people still play vanilla. i havent played in like a week now, still trying to download RTR, but whatever ~:)

[Plebian#10]

I play RTW gold vanilla, with the difficulty setting at H/H. I find this level quite challenging (village idiot speaking). I have won using the Brutti, Jullii, and I am almost there for the Scippi. I have only been playing since Christmas so I am still somewhat new to this type of game. I use to play civilization before this game and the difference is significant. Once I finish all of the Roman factions I intend to move to the barbarian factions just to see what it is like to face the Romans.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi B-DogKY,
I really have to read threads more slowly, I, unfortunately, missed your post. Sorry.

I am sorry to disagree with you, yet I do find, however, the slower combat system an improvement over the R:TW one. It gives you an opportunity to actually use your tactics before the units route. I fist realised this after playing a game of vanilla R:TW for the first time after playing Europa Barbarorum for a long few months. I quickly realised that my whole army was on the run before I could initiate anything truly tactical, and, by then, it was too late for me as the battle was, sadly, all over within a flash. I also seem to find that the battlefields and their styles do also allow for more tactics to be used. In R:TW, often the battlefields seemed to me like a huge flat field with nothing either side has the opportunity to take advantage of, while in M:TW there were all sorts of forests, hills, buildings and other pieces of landscape items to be manipulated in either side's favour. I also prefer the whole classical strategic map system which enabled many complicated events to occur. This includes situations such as brutal civil wars, inquisitions, advanced marriages, trials, treason and treason frames, death of one own generals when they lost their loyalty and many other options which seemed to be sadly lost in the transfer between R:TW and M:TW.

On the other, hand I do agree with you on the fact that the controls are rather old-fashioned and a little bit harder to use, however I, luckily, managed to get used to them within a week or so, so it wasn't really a terrible issue for me - although I do still agree with you - it would be an improvement should they be more "in" with the modern RTS type of control system.

[Celt Centurion]

I never experimented with the extra armour bonus from the Scipii temples. Might be worth a try. Fact is, the Brutii temple (Mars) gives +3 valor, which makes most other faction's heavy infantry almost obsolete.
Hmm extra armour eh? Might be cool to play with those friggin Egyptian chariots extra-armored, eh? Ah dang! I guess im not yet 'done', will have to try the Scipii too! (clad in red, and not blue, of course he he).

Have fun!!

Y.

The Mars temple does you well also. When you take a city that has one, rotate your other armies through it as well. It is perfectly normal for me to train troops at one place, send them through a temple of Mars for the valor, and then shuttle them to a temple of Vulcan for the armor and weapons bonus. It costs, but pays on the battlefield.

How does one change from blue to red in this game?

Strength and Honor

Celt Centurion

[LuckyDog Trojan]

I too still play R:TW vanilla straight from the box - and enjoy it very much. However, I'm beginning to get my way a little too often, regardless of what faction I play on VH/H settings.

Omanes was kind enough to tell me what I needed to do in the form of updating patches, etc. so that I could then download and convert to EB. But, due to the lengthy download time on my home PC, I just haven't made myself do it yet (because I always want to play when I'm seated in front of my computer!!).

[gardibolt]

I'm kind of a slow player (busy life, I guess), and I'm just now finishing up my first M2TW campaign (bought the game release day too). While I wait for the patch 1.2 in that game, I'm seriously thinking about playing another game of RTW, especially since I just beefed up my graphics card and am interested in seeing how that looks on higher settings.

Alexander was the only campaign I've started in RTW, BI and M2TW that I've just abandoned because I didn't like the rush rush rush pace of conquest....I'm an empire builder, I guess, not just a general.

[sjmxru]

I'm playing RTW & i've only just installed the 1.3 patch so i'm way behind i guess. I have the 1.5 patch ready to go but had some probs getting game to start when i first loaded it, so i've not tried to reload it since a few reinstalls of main program!.

[Severous]

Hi

I play unmoddified but fully patched.

RTW V1.5 (16months)
BI V1.6 (4 months)
Alexander V1.9 (2 months)

Currently participating in RTW V1.5 succession games. Had hoped this forum would also do one, there was a recent attempt. Good ole RTW.

[guineawolf]

I still play RTW vanilla with just a few small mods of my own, like giving all factions paved roads. I hate walking through the African desert for 8 turns to get to Nepte... It helps a bit on the economic side as well.

I hate walking through the African desert for 8 turns to get to Nepte... :laugh4: So do i...well,for me,ijust give up my cities to others faction,wait until they built the paved road or highways for me,then i capture them back.....:2thumbsup:

[Titus Flaminius]

:ave: I have been playing RTW for almost a year now and I still play it.:rtwyes:

[Quirinus]

I played vanilla for more than two years, until I started experimenting with mods.... but no matter how enjoyable the mods are (Extended Greek Mod has my loyalty at the moment), vanilla still has a certain charm to it. Nothing like cutting down a hapless army of militia hoplites with Parthian horse archers, or watching hordes of Romans smash themselves in vain on an immovable, invincible wall of Spartans. Or just trampling over everyone with legionaries. =D

[Motep]

I still play, and love, Rome. (usually 1.0, I had 1.5 for a while, but was too lazy to get it back.)