Owww this is bad......

[Fragony]

http://wdbj7.com/

Again a high-school shooting, many dead. Live feed above.

[Bijo]

:no:

But what can we expect? I'm not really surprised or shocked: those school shootings seem to be(come) more and more normal in society.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

22?!

That's horrifying.

[Fragony]

:no:

But what can we expect? I'm not really surprised or shocked: those school shootings seem to be(come) more and more normal in society.

Maybe because nobody is surprised or shocked.

[Devastatin Dave]

College, not high school, not that it matters I guess.:no:

[Mikeus Caesar]

And once again the world looks on as another US school becomes a shooting gallery.

[Ronin]

hey....if the US population don´t care enough about the problem to deal with it why should I?

life goes on....

[Fragony]

And once again the world looks on as another US school becomes a shooting gallery.

Aww common, we had these in Germany and the Netherlands as well. And how nice of you Ronin to care, it are only 22 people after all, shame on you.

PS, shooter was a immigrant, why don't you kindly take refuge in the warmth of my embrace.

ps, that wasn't directed at you curry.

[Ronin]

Aww common, we had these in Germany and the Netherlands as well. And how nice of you Ronin to care, it are only 22 people after all, shame on you.

PS, shooter was a immigrant, why don't you kindly take refuge in the warmth of my embrace.

ps, that wasn't directed at you curry.

so what do you expect here exactly?

this has happened before...and will happen again...and again...and again...until something is done about the underlying causes.

even after the overwelming shock over columbine nothing was done....so I expect that nothing will come out of this one as well....

is what happened today good news? no of course not....but it has no effect in my life or in the lifes of anyone I know so why should I be greatly shocked? it is not like it is an unexpected or unforseen event....and frankly if something happens dozens of times and the US government doesn´t do anything about it...let´s just say my empathy starts to wear a little thin.

:book:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Apparently the first shooting was at 7:30 and the administration didn't cancel classes. Someone better get fired for that.


let´s just say my empathy starts to wear a little thin.

I guess it wasn't too thick to begin with.

[Ser Clegane]

and frankly if something happens dozens of times and the US government doesn´t do anything about it...let´s just say my empathy starts to wear a little thin.
It's somewhat sad that your empathy for the victims and their relatives/friends is linked to the actions (or lack of the same) of the administrations... (at least that is how I would interpret your post - I hope that you actually do not mean it that way and that this is just your way of expressing your disagreement with the consequences taken by the responsible administrations)

[Fragony]

so what do you expect here exactly?

this has happened before...and will happen again...and again...and again...until something is done about the underlying causes.

even after the overwelming shock over columbine nothing was done....so I expect that nothing will come out of this one as well....

is what happened today good news? no of course not....but it has no effect in my life or in the lifes of anyone I know so why should I be greatly shocked? it is not like it is an unexpected or unforseen event....and frankly if something happens dozens of times and the US government doesn´t do anything about it...let´s just say my empathy starts to wear a little thin.

:book:

Yeahyeah, kudo's for being so casual about it, soooooo it happpened in germany and Holland as well, must be the MTV effect, and if you said that I would even agree. But maybe it is just a tiny bit bigger then the USA, can you imagine that.

[Blodrast]

Apparently the first shooting was at 7:30 and the administration didn't cancel classes. Someone better get fired for that.


I thought this was strange, too... the two sets of shootings occurred 2 hours from each other...and, although this isn't very clear from what I've read, it seems there was one shooter, no ? What puzzles me is, how can someone shoot people in a campus, presumably some survivors are left to identify the shooter, police are called (I'm guessing, right ?!), and yet, two hours later, the shooter kills again...
I would understand them having difficulty in finding him, but less so if he was already identified after the first shooting...

I dunno, it's all very strange... And yeah, not cancelling classes when a guy's on a shooting spree in your campus seems a bit....unusual.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

copy and pasted from another forum:


Aim convo with my brother:

ME (1:08:03 PM): so he came into your class?
Bro(1:08:08 PM): yeah
Bro(1:08:17 PM): i didnt think there was any way id live
Bro(1:08:52 PM): he finally left and me and the one other guy that wasnt shot ran to the door and held it shut
Bro(1:09:04 PM): and he tried to come back in and was shooting through the door
me(1:09:27 PM): holy ****
me(1:09:48 PM): what kind of gun was it
Bro(1:09:55 PM): pistol
Me(1:09:52 PM): and did he line people up
Bro(1:10:08 PM): no just shooting at people on the ground

me(1:11:34 PM): do you think it was random
bro(1:12:57 PM): i dont know
Me(1:14:03 PM): so what did you do then
bro(1:14:21 PM): i just started helping people that were bleeding
Me(1:14:39 PM): my god
Me(1:17:17 PM): and then what
Me(1:17:25 PM): sorry if you dont want to talk about it
Me(1:17:33 PM): everyone wants to know what happened
bro(1:18:15 PM): its fine
Me(1:18:40 PM): so did the cops arrive quickly or did you call them or what
bro(1:19:08 PM): yeah
bro(1:19:38 PM): we called


"Now here are some of the facts as we know them. At about 7:15 this morning, a 911 call came to the university police department concerning an event in West Ambler Johnston Hall. There were multiple shooting victims. While in the process of investigating, about two hours later, the university received reports of a shooting in Norris Hall. The police immediately responded.

The shooter in Norris Hall is deceased. There are multiple fatalities. The number of fatalities has not been confirmed. Victims have been transported to various hospitals in the immediate area in the region to receive emergency treatment. And we will proceed to contact the next of kin as the victims' identities are available. All classes are canceled and the university is closed for the remainder of the day.

The university will open tomorrow at 8:00 a.m., but classes will be canceled on Tuesday. The police are currently staging the release of people from campus buildings. Families wishing to reunite with their students are suggested to meet at the Inn at Virginia Tech, the building that we're in today. Were making plans for a convocation tomorrow at noon in Cassell Coliseum for the university to come together to begin the healing process from this terrible tragedy."

[Banquo's Ghost]

Utterly horrifying news.

My thoughts are with the family and friends of the dead and injured.

[Adrian II]

I think we should give Ronin a break. People are dying all the time and my thoughts or even sympathies aren't with them either. Why isolate this shooting and suggest that is somehow particularly bad?

I wonder though, Ronin, what you think those 'causes' are and what could be done about them.

[Fragony]

Why isolate this shooting and suggest that is somehow particularly bad?

Because he thinks of the point he wants to make first. that is not very classy to say at least.

[spmetla]

Bad news indeed. Feel sorry for everyone affected, directly and indirectly.

[Ice]

hey....if the US population don´t care enough about the problem to deal with it why should I?

life goes on....

Why bother posting then?

What makes you think we don't care Ronin? Just because we don't strip our citizens of their guns? No, we love to see 22 students massacred on a University Campus.

I hope to God my best friend from high school and my two cousins are alright. They both go to VT.

[Adrian II]

Because he thinks of the point he wants to make first. That is not very classy to say at least.We all make points. Didn't you say the perpetrator is an immigrant? That usually triggers your sympathy or indignation. None of your family or friends are involved, are they? Same goes for Ronin.

Things change when people from this webforum are involved. I hate to hear that Ice's best friend and two cousins go there. Similarly, I pause to think whenever I hear about roadside bombs going off in Iraq because Kukrikhan's son and KafirChobee's family are over there. Just for a second, I admit.

[Fragony]

We all make points. Didn't you say the perpetrator is an immigrant?

Offensive Irony, I am not that stupid you know.

[Vladimir]

so what do you expect here exactly?

this has happened before...and will happen again...and again...and again...until something is done about the underlying causes.

even after the overwelming shock over columbine nothing was done....so I expect that nothing will come out of this one as well....

is what happened today good news? no of course not....but it has no effect in my life or in the lifes of anyone I know so why should I be greatly shocked? it is not like it is an unexpected or unforseen event....and frankly if something happens dozens of times and the US government doesn´t do anything about it...let´s just say my empathy starts to wear a little thin.

:book:

So the underlying cause isn't someone who wants to kill a lot of people? Slow with a knife or fast with a gun doesn't matter.

[Louis VI the Fat]

This is a tragedy, I'm at a loss for words. Oh dear God...~:mecry:

[drone]

Washington Post is reporting 32 dead, 24+ injured at the moment. I don't think the press or the police really know the scope of this yet. Shooter still unidentified.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/16/AR2007041600533.html?hpid=topnews

[Ser Clegane]

Slow with a knife or fast with a gun doesn't matter.
Actually I think that killing 20+ people with a gun is a bit easier than kniving them down...

[Fragony]

. Shooter still unidentified.

There goes, god this sucks....

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/82da4503_0416071259_M_041607_shooting1.jpg

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That's not the shooter. Shooter is dead.

[DemonArchangel]

I don't quite know what to say.

I really don't.

[Fragony]

That's not the shooter. Shooter is dead.

Local journalist my bad, must have been the funny eyes.

[Samurai Waki]

Despicable, horrifying, monstrous. May Justice Be Quick, May Peace Be Sought, And Tears be shed. My prayers go out to VT today.

[Ser Clegane]

Fragony, I would appreciate if you would stop making unsubstantiated allegations about the immigrant status of the shooter :stare:

[Fragony]

Fragony, I would appreciate if you would stop making unsubstantiated allegations about the immigrant status of the shooter :stare:

Mocking myselve not him.

[Somebody Else]

Regardless of the shooter's ethnicity, reason, psychological problems, &c. &c. &c.

This is dreadful. And I'm really sorry to hear it's happened. That is all.

[Pannonian]

There goes, god this sucks....

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/82da4503_0416071259_M_041607_shooting1.jpg
Reports say the gunman is dead. Chap in the picture looks alive to me.

[Fragony]

Reports say the gunman is dead. Chap in the picture looks alive to me.

That is good, your perception should thus be perfectly capable to read earlier posts.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Fred Phelps is claiming he will picket the funerals.

[Pannonian]

That is good, your perception should thus be perfectly capable to read earlier posts.
On my browser, there's something called tabbed browsing, which means I can open multiple tabs at the same time. My MO is to open the the threads which I want to read, then perhaps write an answer to one before reading the others, and perhaps replying to those. This can result in missing replies between opening the thread and writing one's answer.

Sorry for acquainting you with the realities of forum browsing. Tune back tomorrow for the next lesson in the series: websearching for news and the desirability of checking one's sources before making incorrect conclusions.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

even after the overwelming shock over columbine nothing was done....so I expect that nothing will come out of this one as well....
let´s just say my empathy starts to wear a little thin.

:book:


:daisy:

[Samurai Waki]

Okay. Hold back the personal insults. Ronin has a right to say what he believes, you have the right to disagree. 'nuff said. Terrible, horrible things happen all over the world. We admonish this act of insanity, yet few at home take the time of day to recognize that many more innocents (both Iraqi and Others) die everyday in much the same way. Its the Human Condition, man killing man. I disagree with Ronin, but I will not critize him for his point of view, perhaps he has every right to empathetic, I don't know his personal story.

On a Side Note: I made sure to Hug my Girls extra hard today.:balloon2:

[Fragony]

On my browser, there's something called tabbed browsing, which means I can open multiple tabs at the same time. My MO is to open the the threads which I want to read, then perhaps write an answer to one before reading the others, and perhaps replying to those. This can result in missing replies between opening the thread and writing one's answer.

Sorry for acquainting you with the realities of forum browsing. Tune back tomorrow for the next lesson in the series: websearching for news and the desirability of checking one's sources before making incorrect conclusions.

Well that sounds very handy, why don't you try using it, saves you the trouble of explaining to the cool kids how it works.

[Ser Clegane]

Quite shameful that a thread on a tragedy like this descends into flaming and bickering :no:

[Gregoshi]

We, the Org community, still don't know how to discuss tragedies without getting nasty towards each other. Apathy vs empathy crowds banging heads again in a way that will get this thread closed. :shame: