I want my Joan d'Arc! [Archive]

detroitmechworks

04-17-2007, 18:44

Just a minor wish.

I mentioned this in my wish list, but I'd love to hear what others think.

I want female generals. Maybe use a princess model, etc...

Has a modder done this, or even thought about it?

I know, women's place, blah blah, but it's just COOL.

Maybe give em an instant heresy hit, or something. Of course it removes em from the princess roster. (And you'd have to make certain that the code doesn't let them Marry. Unless of course you WANT the Ellen show: maybe treat em like a bribed general...)

Just a thought. I would love it as a RARE thing to show up...

Anybody else want this, or think it's lame?

TB666

04-17-2007, 18:45

Female generals would be nice.
They could have a very rare spawn rate or something.

edyzmedieval

04-17-2007, 18:46

Nice idea. But portraits can be created with a touch of skill, talent and will. :yes:

The Pope is my campaign is female though. :beam:

FactionHeir

04-17-2007, 18:47

Probably wouldn't be too tough to make hirable female generals.
All you'd have to do is make a custom model and soundset (i.e. look at old RTW mods doing stuff like that, although adjust for female) and add the unit as trainable in the descr_buildings and the descr_unit.

As for family tree, I guess even that would be possible, as there is a trigger in one of the files (forgot the name) that determines whether a faction can have princesses or not. Just make the game spawn a different avatar with the general capabilities there. (that might be tougher to do and you'd only get them for direct descendants of leaders/heir as per current rules)

Quickening

04-17-2007, 18:52

I know it's a game but would female generals be realistic in the Middle Ages?

Dracula(Romanian Vlad Tepes)

04-17-2007, 18:59

I know it's a game but would female generals be realistic in the Middle Ages?
Female generals would not be realistic because in the middle ages the women were not in such an important place in the society

FactionHeir

04-17-2007, 19:11

I know it's a game but would female generals be realistic in the Middle Ages?

I'm guessing just about as realistic as the SecretlyFemale trait for priests who can go on to become popes.

detroitmechworks

04-17-2007, 19:12

Elanor of Aquitane
Joan D'Arc
Boadicea
Isabel

Not all generals, but all important. And that's just off the top of my head. As a RARE spawn, could add some fun flavor.

(Especially if they had access to some of the "Princess' only traits. Might be interesting, especially if you could raise one to faction heir, and use their "Charm" stats as bonuses for authority.)

TB666

04-17-2007, 19:13

I know it's a game but would female generals be realistic in the Middle Ages?
Not really.
I think Joan D'Arch is the only one but don't quote me on that.
I just think it would be a nice touch to have given the fact that it would be a rare thing.

pike master

04-17-2007, 20:33

how about elite female warriors or mercenaries?

Temujin

04-17-2007, 22:24

Joan D'Arc

Joan D'Arch
People, please, it's either Jeanne D'Arc or Joan of Arc. Get it right:whip:

And she was in MTW the first, as a fairly competent general too (7 stars IIRC). Historical characters, as opposed to to ancilliaries, is something I really miss from the first game.

detroitmechworks

04-17-2007, 22:49

I stand corrected.

(Pretty sure I misspelled Eleanor's name too...)

Just checked. Yup. Misspelled Aquitaine as well.

(Must learn to stop watching bad "historical" movies...)

Gorm

04-17-2007, 23:00

Female generals would not be realistic because in the middle ages the women were not in such an important place in the society

True, but there are major exceptions. There should be a reference to Hildegard von Bingen. She was a very powerful woman in her day, even if she was not a general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen

HoreTore

04-17-2007, 23:06

True, but there are major exceptions. There should be a reference to Hildegard von Bingen. She was a very powerful woman in her day, even if she was not a general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen

She's already in the game. Build a church or higher religious building as the HRE between turn 20 and 50, and you'll get her.

Sheesh. People should start exploring what's in the game before they say "this should really be in the game!"...

TevashSzat

04-17-2007, 23:24

Joan of Arc is an ancillary too, but she only appears under certain conditions and it is quite hard to get her

Shahed

04-18-2007, 00:12

Women did wield considerable power behind the scenes then, as they do today.

There were at least 8 Muslim women who were directly controlling empires through their sons or husbands/lovers, during the period set in the game. Not sure but IIRC, Yemen also had a queen during this epoch.

edit: Here, if anyone's interested in reading:
http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/M/mernissi_forgotten.pb.html

http://www.upress.umn.edu/images/Books/M/mernissi_forgotten.big.gif

PutCashIn

04-18-2007, 00:45

HoreTore, or, we could have got the information about Bingen from the excellent-totally-worth-reading manual....oh wait, its got RTS on the box and theres not even a unit list....oh dear. :(

Shahed

04-18-2007, 00:48

Cool quote I just read:

"King of England, and you, duke of Bedford, who call yourself regent of the kingdom of France...settle your debt to the king of Heaven; return to the Maiden, who is envoy of the king of Heaven, the keys to all the good towns you took and violated in France."

attributed to Joan of Arc here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc

W00t ! What a woman !

Gorm

04-18-2007, 18:52

She's already in the game. Build a church or higher religious building as the HRE between turn 20 and 50, and you'll get her.

Sheesh. People should start exploring what's in the game before they say "this should really be in the game!"...

Ok, I stand corrected. However, I have not played HRE yet and was totally unaware of Hildegard's inclusion in the game. This is a very substantial game with a lot of hidden surprises, so please don't put people down just because they haven't played all the factions yet! :inquisitive:

Kryptonitus

04-18-2007, 19:22

how about elite female warriors or mercenaries?

I agree. I would like to see female warriors or mercs. Maybe a female looking assassin.

Bel

04-18-2007, 19:32

atheotes

04-18-2007, 19:33

I agree. I would like to see female warriors or mercs. Maybe a female looking assassin.

I think a female spy would not be removed from the realms of possibility...

Anti-TotalWar

04-18-2007, 19:45

And women spies could be easier to use because they could seduce the target and then finish him off in sleep.

HoreTore

04-18-2007, 20:02

Ok, I stand corrected. However, I have not played HRE yet and was totally unaware of Hildegard's inclusion in the game. This is a very substantial game with a lot of hidden surprises, so please don't put people down just because they haven't played all the factions yet! :inquisitive:

Didn't mean to offend, but you really should have checked if she was in the game or not before you stated that she wasn't ;)

HoreTore, or, we could have got the information about Bingen from the excellent-totally-worth-reading manual....oh wait, its got RTS on the box and theres not even a unit list....oh dear. :(

There's so incredibly much of this stuff, the manual would become a tome! Not a bad idea of course, but I don't really see CA selling a 500-page game manual...

Henry the Fifth

04-18-2007, 23:15

You can't have Joan she's already married to France and besides she wears a chastity belt!

Rhedd

04-19-2007, 10:59

I'm guessing just about as realistic as the SecretlyFemale trait for priests who can go on to become popes.

Go look up "Pope Joan". (Not Joan of Arc, another Joan.)

Sure, the story might not actually be true, but then, you just never know... ^_^

FactionHeir

04-19-2007, 11:14

Go look up "Pope Joan". (Not Joan of Arc, another Joan.)

Sure, the story might not actually be true, but then, you just never know... ^_^

I did that some months ago when there was a discussion here about female popes. Conspiracy I tell ya! :grin:

Da_Funkey_Gibbon

04-19-2007, 16:42

Not really.
I think Joan D'Arch is the only one but don't quote me on that.
I just think it would be a nice touch to have given the fact that it would be a rare thing.
She's the only one to come to mind as a general, (possibly Matilda, she certainly organised an army, but I doubt if she fought) but more frequent were female faction leaders, queens, even if they didn't actually fight battles.

NagatsukaShumi

04-19-2007, 17:54

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Margaret of Anjou, she pretty much ran the show when Henry VI went mad in the War of the Roses.

Some women did indeed occassionally come out in public and show their power, but the majority didn't to my knowledge and stayed mostly behind the scenes.

The odd female general would be fairly interesting in truth.