Teen pack suicides.

[Beren Son Of Barahi]

Suicide in Australia leaves more dead, then the national road toll.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/last-words-of-myspace-suicide-girls/2007/04/23/1177180569460.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

So what is behind this, is it growing? is it a trend? or a symptom? I would be interested to hear from the orgahs about their take on just what is behind all the needless dead.


:thumbsdown:

[doc_bean]

Teenagers killing themselves is hardly something new.

I tend to blame boredome caused by our long education in a period of extreme hormonal activity. I think we are genetically programmed to start our 'own' life around 16, yet the current system doesn't allow this in a 'normal' way, hence all the rebellious teenagers.

[Leet Eriksson]

Angsty teens commit suicide, news at 11.

At Doc: Whats wrong with the education system? i think its the entire emo culture, these people spend zero effort into trying to socialise.

[Fragony]

What is that emo thing?

[Ronin]

What is that emo thing?

Emo is the bane of the music world right now...

remember....google is your friend

wikipedia Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo_(slang))


anyway...I don´t see a problem here.....morons are killing themselfs? ohhh my GOD!...I´m missing a moron....well I guess I´ll have one less can in front of me in traffic tomorrow.....also...it´s an unemployment solution right there!

[naut]

I detest emos and emo culture, simply because the majority of them come from stable well-off white middle class families so they actually have nothing to be sad or angsty about and yet they still whinge about how 'bad' their lives are.

[Fragony]

anyway...I don´t see a problem here.....morons are killing themselfs? ohhh my GOD!...I´m missing a moron....well I guess I´ll have one less can in front of me in traffic tomorrow.....also...it´s an unemployment solution right there!

You know Ronin, ussually every time you stand up for rationality I get the incontrolable urge to dress up like a seal and go swimming among great whites. BUT, that emo thing sounds a lot like these 'gawd hand me a tissue how could you' smelly hairy squaters so just this time I agree.

[doc_bean]

Angsty teens commit suicide, news at 11.

At Doc: Whats wrong with the education system? i think its the entire emo culture, these people spend zero effort into trying to socialise.

Teens killed themselves before emo, grunge kids were pretty big on that (though not as bad as grunge musicians...) as were certain groups of metal kids, and it probably goes back further.

The problem with the education system is that kids at 14-16 get a hormone bomb dropped on them and are expected to sit quietly on a chair for 7 hours a day. The whole idea of education until you are 18 or older is unnatural imo. I really don't know how to fix this though :shrug:

[Vladimir]

I take it you never went to college then. Many things in our life are unnatural. School itself is unnatural.

[doc_bean]

I take it you never went to college then. Many things in our life are unnatural. School itself is unnatural.

Still in uni :laugh4:

You grow out of it. And higher education at least gives you the option of skipping classes. Freedom at last !

[Vladimir]

Well I didn't mean to imply that you're completly off base. I've aquired a couple of undergraduate degrees but it wasn't a straight shot. I look at people who spend two straight decades of their life in school like they're mad. Take a break, see the world a little. Especially if you're going for your PhD. Too much damn time in a classroom.

[Samurai Waki]

There is some certainty that Clinical Depression and Bi-Polar Disorder are genetically acquired and the number of people that have had children and also carry the bad genetic card is astronomically higher than it has ever been before. In the US, Suicide has quickly come to a staggering epidemic, and it's because of our refusal to accept that people have the potential to kill themselves, its a refusal that most people have some sort of mental or physical flaw, we'd rather try to sweep the problem under a rug instead of confronting the problem and making the public aware of the symptons, and that it isn't some weakness. I have never looked at my Manic Depressive Disorder as a Weakness, sure when I was in my youth, the barrel of a gun often looked rather appealing, but at that point I saw it as a weakness. Now I see it as a flaw, a Challenge that I have to overcome every single day by Challenging my own determination to see the world for all the good has done rather than the bad, I have come to appreciate many things in life, that a person without a Mental Disorder will never have the ability to comprehend, and on one end I envy those people, and on the other end I pity them. Because when I see the sun shining bright, or feel a warm breeze on the back of my neck, I think that I am in far more bliss than someone who doesn't know what it feels like to be spinning out of control, or falling to the bottom of a chasm. The one thing that seperated me from the ones who have actually gone through in killing themselves, is that I saw a glimpse of hope, because the people around me gave what they could of themselves, and asked nothing in return, and I think for a lot of people living around the country today, they don't get that help, its seen as a blight, a disease, with a culture not willing to understand; it makes me terribly sad. Although there can be very little help for some, for the most part these suicides could have been prevented. But whatever has befallen those who had not the courage, nor the will to continue on, I hope that they have found the peace they have for so long denied themselves.

[Beren Son Of Barahi]

I must say i was quite surprised by the response of most of the posters here: i think its a horrible shame that so many people can't find a reason to live. i also think it is the most selfish thing a person can do. It impossible to understand how someone can be so down, so completely beaten that death seems like the best way out, until everything you hold near and dear is gone, and your left with nothing.

suicide a long term solution to a short term problem.

[doc_bean]

I must say i was quite surprised by the response of most of the posters here: i think its a horrible shame that so many people can't find a reason to live. i also think it is the most selfish thing a person can do. It impossible to understand how someone can be so down, so completely beaten that death seems like the best way out, until everything you hold near and dear is gone, and your left with nothing.

suicide a long term solution to a short term problem.

Meh, I was a depressed teenager, like most of them, things weren't going half bad in my life, it's just a state of mid you can't get out of. I doubt society can do much about it, except for what Wakizashi says, inform people that it can be quite 'normal' to be a depressed teenager.

[naut]

@ Wakizashi: :bow:

[pevergreen]

I detest emos and emo culture, simply because the majority of them come from stable well-off white middle class families so they actually have nothing to be sad or angsty about and yet they still whinge about how 'bad' their lives are.
Finally. Someone who actually knows the truth. I agree with everything in that statement, as the number of emo's at my school is growing. Theyres gangs of them now. But this is an expensive private school, they get whatever they want....

[Husar]

Finally. Someone who actually knows the truth. I agree with everything in that statement, as the number of emo's at my school is growing. Theyres gangs of them now. But this is an expensive private school, they get whatever they want....
I guess what they don't get is love.:juggle2:

[Vladimir]

I guess what they don't get is love.:juggle2:

I hear that depressed female teens turn to sex to treat their depression. This leads to a downward spiral of sex-depression-more sex-more depression-non-stop uncontrolled wild orgies in the locker room shower.

To think what I missed out on going to a small high school. :shame:

[Ice]

I hear that depressed female teens turn to sex to treat their depression. This leads to a downward spiral of sex-depression-more sex-more depression-non-stop uncontrolled wild orgies in the locker room shower.

To think what I missed out on going to a small high school. :shame:

I graduated from a school of 500 and went to school of 700. I never heard anything like this. Worst I heard were two kids caught having sex in the boiler room? Romantic, yes? :eyebrows:

[naut]

I guess what they don't get is love.:juggle2:
Actually I find the majority* of them I know do get love from family and friends.

*At least 8/10.

[ShadeHonestus]

I've heard rumors of "happy camps" being constructed to house emo's until the current crisis is over or they all find a cliff on their own.

[doc_bean]

I graduated from a school of 500 and went to school of 700. I never heard anything like this. Worst I heard were two kids caught having sex in the boiler room? Romantic, yes? :eyebrows:

My school of 700 or so did have it's threesomes, esbians and teenage mothers, but overall it was a pretty uneventful school.

[ShadeHonestus]

My school of 700 or so did have it's threesomes, esbians and teenage mothers, but overall it was a pretty uneventful school.

I once dated a lesbian mother. Pretty sure she was a werewolf as well. I graduated from a private school and my senior class had 62. I transferred to that school from the public school in my hometown (pop. 1201) where my class size was 37.

[Blodrast]

I graduated from a school of 500 and went to school of 700. I never heard anything like this. Worst I heard were two kids caught having sex in the boiler room? Romantic, yes? :eyebrows:

Dude, what are you talking about, weren't you the guy with the "friend" who was getting head during class ?! C'mon, we talked about that like a few weeks ago - if I can remember it, you surely have to ! ~D

[Fragony]

suicide a long term solution to a short term problem.

I simply can't believe that someone can be so desperate, but I suffer from a terrible condition called happiness; my good mood is practically indestructable. So many ways to change your life, why settle for the most radical before trying the alternatives.

[Vladimir]

Well not all of us can be born Fragadellic.

[Fragony]

Oh yeah that is right, I was born, which mean I also die, well thank you very much Vladimir you ruined it all. Hmmm, I suddenly have the incontrollable urge to listen to Radiohead. But my cd-player broke down. Again. Sigh :shame:

[Spino]

Teens killed themselves before emo, grunge kids were pretty big on that (though not as bad as grunge musicians...) as were certain groups of metal kids, and it probably goes back further.

The problem with the education system is that kids at 14-16 get a hormone bomb dropped on them and are expected to sit quietly on a chair for 7 hours a day. The whole idea of education until you are 18 or older is unnatural imo. I really don't know how to fix this though :shrug:

I strongly disagree. For all higher mammals the time spent learning prior to achieving adulthood is critical to survival. There is no better time to educate offspring than when they are young, impressionable and receptive to such input.

Regarding humans one could argue that too much free time and inadequate parenting has driven young people to worry and obsess over things that most adults are naturally better equipped to deal with in their daily lives. I would argue that forcing kids to stay in school and focus their pent up energies on their education is the perfect remedy for adolescence. You cannot blame the system simply because the average student nowadays is incapable of disciplining him/herself by paying attention 7 hours a day. The fault here should lie with bad parenting, not the system. I firmly believe the worst thing you can do is give an immature, illogical human being complete freedom to conduct his/her own life, talk about a disaster waiting to happen!

[Xehh II]

This isn't about teens killing themselves but when those people were talking about sex at school it made me remember. One time at the end of 3rd period we had interval, so I leave english I was gone about 10 mins. and I remembered I forgot something when I went back my english teacher and another female teacher were starting to have sex. I got a month of detentions! I did get one pic with my phone though.

[doc_bean]

I strongly disagree. For all higher mammals the time spent learning prior to achieving adulthood is critical to survival. There is no better time to educate offspring than when they are young, impressionable and receptive to such input.

Regarding humans one could argue that too much free time and inadequate parenting has driven young people to worry and obsess over things that most adults are naturally better equipped to deal with in their daily lives. I would argue that forcing kids to stay in school and focus their pent up energies on their education is the perfect remedy for adolescence. You cannot blame the system simply because the average student nowadays is incapable of disciplining him/herself by paying attention 7 hours a day. The fault here should lie with bad parenting, not the system. I firmly believe the worst thing you can do is give an immature, illogical human being complete freedom to conduct his/her own life, talk about a disaster waiting to happen!

I do believe you misunderstood me, and I can see how you interpreted my post that way.

It's not that teens don't have enough free time or freedom in the narrow sense like the ability to go out and have fun. But they don't have much to look forward to for the next few years at that age, another two years or more in school, learning stuff they'll never need (2 years is still long when you're 16). Their lives are often fun but lack purpose and are rather unfulfilling.

I've also said that there isn't a real solution to the problem since we need education to survive in today's world and kids at the age of 16 aren't ready to make life altering choices just yet.

[naut]

Being 17 and speaking from personal experience I agree 100% with what you are saying doc_bean.