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uanime5
05-06-2007, 13:25
I am starting work on the faction banners and was wondering what symbol should be used to represent each faction (as opposed to representing each unit) and what colour should it be.

If anyone has a colour image of the faction symbol or can provide a link to one that would be helpful.

Below is the current list of the various factions, their symbol, and faction colour(s).

Chaos

Undivided / Daemons
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Khorne
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Slaanesh
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Nurgle
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Tzeetch
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Dwarves

Dwarves
Faction symbol:
Faction colour: grey

Elves

High Elves
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Dark Elves
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Wood Elves
Faction symbol:
Faction colour: green

Greenskins

Orcs & Goblins
Faction symbol:
Faction colour: dark green

Lizardmen

Lizardmen
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Humans

Brettonia
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Empire
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Kislev
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Ogres

Ogres
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Skaven

Skaven
Faction symbol:
Faction colour: dark grey

Undead

Tomb Kings
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

Vampire Counts
Faction symbol:
Faction colour:

alexader
05-06-2007, 17:25
uanime5,i have some links that the will help you,also most of the races have regions and tribes that have different colour and banners so don't include one for it's faction.here they are:for empire http://uk.games-workshop.com/empire/banners/1/,http://uk.games-workshop.com/empire/miniature-gallery/1/,for chaos http://uk.games-workshop.com/beastsofchaos/banners/assets/banners-template.pdf
http://uk.games-workshop.com/download/popup.htm?/hordesofchaos/artwork/images/art03.jpg
http://uk.games-workshop.com/hordesofchaos/banners/assets/hordesofchaos-banners.pdf,for dark elves http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/banners/assets/darkelvescolorbanner1.pdf,http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/banners/assets/darkelvescolorbanner2.pdf,
http://uk.games-workshop.com/darkelves/banners/assets/darkelvesbwbanner.pdf,for dwarves http://uk.games-workshop.com/dwarfs/banners/assets/dwarf-banners.pdf
,http://uk.games-workshop.com/dwarfs/miniature-gallery/5/,for high elves http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/banners/assets/highelves-banners.pdf,
http://uk.games-workshop.com/highelves/banners/assets/highelves-colour-banners.pdf,for skaven http://uk.games-workshop.com/skaven/banners/assets/skaven-banners.pdf,for tomb kings
http://uk.games-workshop.com/tombkings/banners/assets/tombkings-banners-1.pdf,http://uk.games-workshop.com/tombkings/banners/assets/tombkings-banners-2.pdf,for vampire counts http://uk.games-workshop.com/vampirecounts/miniature-gallery/7/,http://uk.games-workshop.com/vampirecounts/miniature-gallery/12/,for dogs of war http://uk.games-workshop.com/dogsofwar/miniature-gallery/1/,for orcs&goblins http://uk.games-workshop.com/orcsandgoblins/miniature-gallery/1/ .some of the are white so you can paint them and other is what the troops hae on their banners.if you want to find you more just tell me,i have plenty of time and to help with the mod.:egypt:

Jubal_Barca
05-06-2007, 20:30
Chaos

Undivided / Daemons
Faction symbol: Chaos Cross thingy
Faction colour: Black

Khorne
Faction symbol: Khorne Symbol
Faction colour: Red

Slaanesh
Faction symbol: Slaanesh Symbol
Faction colour: Purple

Nurgle
Faction symbol: Nurgle symbol
Faction colour: Olive green

Tzeetch
Faction symbol: Tzenteech Symbol
Faction colour: Blue

Dwarves

Dwarves
Faction symbol: Master Rune of Kingship
Faction colour: grey

Elves

High Elves
Faction symbol: Lothern banner
Faction colour: White

Dark Elves
Faction symbol: Winged Skull
Faction colour: Crimson

Wood Elves
Faction symbol: Elf rune
Faction colour: green

Greenskins

Orcs & Goblins
Faction symbol: Greenskin head design
Faction colour: dark green

Lizardmen

Lizardmen
Faction symbol: Aztec symbol
Faction colour: Turquoise

Humans

Brettonia
Faction symbol: Louen leoncoeur's shield
Faction colour: Red/Gold/Blue

Empire
Faction symbol: Hammer
Faction colour: Gold/Red

Kislev
Faction symbol: Polar bear
Faction colour: Ice blue

Ogres

Ogres
Faction symbol: Maw
Faction colour: Ogre Skin colour

Skaven

Skaven
Faction symbol: Eshin triangle
Faction colour: dark brown

Undead

Tomb Kings
Faction symbol: Pharonic Skull
Faction colour: blue/gold

Vampire Counts
Faction symbol: Skull
Faction colour: black/white

uanime5
05-07-2007, 16:40
I'm still looking for a good symbol for the following factions:
High Elves
Wood Elves
Kislev
Ogres
Tomb Kings
Vampire Counts

I have different symbols than the ones descriped by Jubal_Barca's Dwarves (I plan to use an axe).

I don't want to use symbols you can colour yourself because they don't look that good when on a banner.

DrZoidberg
05-07-2007, 17:05
http://uk.games-workshop.com/tombkings/tombkingshome/images/skeleton-regiment.jpg

The symbol on the top of the pole is the Tomb King symbol. It's repeated in one way or another on every soldier and on every Tomb King building.

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Casuir
05-07-2007, 17:31
Banners dont neccessarily have to be the same as the faction symbol, most of the factions have a few different prominent symbols.

Krazysigmarite
05-07-2007, 20:51
Well, as for High Elves, their colours (For the most part) tend to be white and blue, generally a white background with a blue foreground, though this can be flopped depending on the army, etc. One symbol that constantly re-appears on High Elves is the 12-pointed star, and though I am unsure of its significance, I see it all the time. Here's some quick samples I whipped up in photoshop to give you an example of what I mean:

Blue 12-Pointed Star (http://www.imagehangar.com/uploads/large/14742200_1178567211.jpg)

White 12-Pointed Star (http://www.imagehangar.com/uploads/large/65093000_1178567028.jpg)

Hope this helps :)

Edit: The symbol for the Empire is generally a flat-ended Maltese Cross, centered with a skull. An excellent is the symbol Warhammer Online is using for the Empire:
http://www.warhammeronline.com/english/media/conceptArt/full/1006Emp24.jpg

uanime5
05-08-2007, 14:57
Thanks for the symbols. Since I'm just editing existing flags and past the symbol onto them I need a good quality symbol.

Here are some examples:

Dark Elves
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9986/factionbannerdarkelvesbw0.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=factionbannerdarkelvesbw0.jpg)

Bretonnia (this took forever)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5503/factionbannerbretonniaer1.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=factionbannerbretonniaer1.jpg)

Casuir
05-08-2007, 15:45
I've never seen that sort of symbol associated with dark elves, where did you get it? The bretonnian one is better but the shield looks out of place, ditch it and have just the lion, maybe with a sword in its hand. A more elaborate backgound too. The other banners on the brettonian flag dont have to be red and blue, brettonian heraldry is very colourful.

uanime5
05-08-2007, 18:37
Though I can remove the shield adding a more elborate background is difficult because it's hard to get the shading right. If you wish to add a different background I could send you the .dss file.

Regarding the Dark Elf symbol I used google to find a Dark Elf winged skull. This was the best one I found (Warhammer symbols are hard to find since they are rarely used in the game). If you can find another version I can use that.

Casuir
05-08-2007, 19:32
Yeah sure send it to me be simple enough to do.

Wolfshart
05-08-2007, 22:10
Though I can remove the shield adding a more elborate background is difficult because it's hard to get the shading right. If you wish to add a different background I could send you the .dss file.

Regarding the Dark Elf symbol I used google to find a Dark Elf winged skull. This was the best one I found (Warhammer symbols are hard to find since they are rarely used in the game). If you can find another version I can use that.
Bah! you just need to know where to look.... Here (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/darkelves/extras/darkElfBanners/assets/darkelvescolorbanner2.pdf) and if you have to go with a winged skull there is even one there you could use. ;) as far as the bretonian one well what you chose could work but it is King Louen’s first shield, which he wore as a Knight Errant, but I think a Fleur De Lis on a quartered red/blue background would work better as a faction symbol..

uanime5
05-09-2007, 12:44
If you want me to add a particular symbol you have to provide it. Also I've made a topic about what the different banners relate to (http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=84875), to help banner creation.

Wolfshart
05-10-2007, 16:17
If you want me to add a particular symbol you have to provide it. Also I've made a topic about what the different banners relate to (http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=84875), to help banner creation.

This work for ya?
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2103/darkelfbanneroy0.th.png (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkelfbanneroy0.png)

uanime5
05-11-2007, 15:28
That's great. Now all I need is a skull for the Vampire Counts and something for the Orcs.

DrZoidberg
05-11-2007, 18:21
That's great. Now all I need is a skull for the Vampire Counts and something for the Orcs.

Orcs aren't particularly unified. They aren't particularly unified with their closest friends. They only unify when they're on a Waaagh and even then they're pretty anarchic. So we can chose quite freely.

Evil Sunz is a classic
http://gronk.k1w1.com/evilsuntat.jpg

My personal favorite
http://uk.games-workshop.com/orks/bad-moons/

Abokasee
05-11-2007, 19:30
Orks Icon should be something along the lines of this
http://forums.relicnews.com/images/avatars/Ork-Banner.jpg

And there faction colour should be dark green, brown, red

Daitus
05-13-2007, 22:09
Remember we aren't talking about "Orks"(40k), we are talking about "Orcs and Goblins" (thats their faction name in Warhammer fantasy.) "Orks" have different banners than "Orcs and Goblins".

DrZoidberg
05-14-2007, 06:54
Remember we aren't talking about "Orks"(40k), we are talking about "Orcs and Goblins" (thats their faction name in Warhammer fantasy.) "Orks" have different banners than "Orcs and Goblins".

I beg to differ. Even if they have different exact banners in the source books I'd say the spirit of them are the same. Which I think it is we should be aiming for. I think we should capture the feel of "Orcishness" rather than to treat Warhammer model examples as biblical cannon. Above all, playing this should be fun rather than correct. I think we all will agree on that.

Bwian
05-14-2007, 12:16
I don't see fun and correct as mutually exclusive ... especially where things like banners are concerned. that is a compromise we might run into if the game mechanics throw a barrier at us, but this is something we have complete control over.

No reason why we can't have a banner. Locate something suitable in the refernce material, pick a good background colour, and paint a banner.

40K banners are not ideal if we have something that DOES come frpom the correct sourcebooks.

uanime5
05-14-2007, 12:32
We've now got all the symbols required. However for copyright reasons we need our own versions of these symbols. Making the banners several colours is a non-copyright infringing way of making them unique.

crainmac
02-24-2011, 09:51
I like your list of fraction banner & symbol. Its great to know all the things. Many thanks for sharing this info.