The Leftist Mind revealed

[Pindar]

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Truth to power.

[BigTex]

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Truth to power.


:laugh4: Very nice, least it's a protest for a legit reason.

[Lemur]

I, for one, think the President should return her dentures.

[CountArach]

I, for one, think the President should return her dentures.
Seconded.

I think that this is just another reason to hate Bush all the more!

[CrossLOPER]

so i herd ya'll liek mudkips?

[Lemur]

Pindar, you wouldn't happen to be a Cardinals fan, now would you?

And yes, leftists are a bunch of morans.


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/211_morans.jpg

[CrossLOPER]

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/211_morans.jpg
I see nothing wrong with this pitcher.

[Devastatin Dave]

"The Leftist Mind revealed"

Wow, they found one!!! Look out Big Foot, you're next!!!

[Incongruous]

Wonder when they'll find the right's.
Or do I just have to look up the bible, the prince and on war?

[ShadeHonestus]

Wonder when they'll find the right's.
Or do I just have to look up the bible, the prince and on war?

Take the left's mind and add reason, accountability and a basic understanding of finance.

[edit] All Orgah Leftists excluded of course...

[IrishArmenian]

Pindar, you wouldn't happen to be a Cardinals fan, now would you?

And yes, leftists are a bunch of morans.


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/211_morans.jpg


Quite right, Lemur. We are indeed Morans, we left-wingers.

[Lemur]

accountability and a basic understanding of finance.
I'm going to tell Ted Stevens you were talking about him behind his back.

[ShadeHonestus]

I'm going to tell Ted Stevens you were talking about him behind his back.

Ted Stevens, Ted Kennedy, not much difference in the politicians when they smell pork. My reference was to the people who vote either Jabba or Marvel into their respective feeding troughs.

[Rodion Romanovich]

Take the left's mind and add reason, accountability and a basic understanding of finance.

[edit] All Orgah Leftists excluded of course...
You know that's quite funny, because in both the USA and Europe since ww2, we've seen the rightist politicians worsen the economy in our countries, whereas the leftist politicians have been the ones to improve it, contrary to the common misconception.

[HoreTore]

You know that's quite funny, because in both the USA and Europe since ww2, we've seen the rightist politicians worsen the economy in our countries, whereas the leftist politicians have been the ones to improve it, contrary to the common misconception.

Do remember that what is leftist is the US belongs on the conservative/rightist side in europe....

There are no leftists is the US.

[Tribesman]

There are no leftists is the US.
They do have Bernie Sanders:2thumbsup:

[rory_20_uk]

What could they call the scandle of Bush nicking dentures? "Colgate"?

~:joker:

~:smoking:

[IrishArmenian]

Indeed, Rory.

[Ice]

You know that's quite funny, because in both the USA and Europe since ww2, we've seen the rightist politicians worsen the economy in our countries, whereas the leftist politicians have been the ones to improve it, contrary to the common misconception.

You know that's quite funny that you oversimplified the hell out of that! :yes:

[Andres]

What about the Straight aheadist mind?

Ok, this Belgian humor must be killing you guys. Where's my coat? :creep:

[KafirChobee]

Take the left's mind and add reason, accountability and a basic understanding of finance.

[edit] All Orgah Leftists excluded of course...

Er, Reagone took a $trillion$ US debt claiming he was going to balance the budget - He turned it int0 a $4trillion$ one.

Bush43, took a $560Billion$ surplus and almost immediately turned it into a deficit. We have at present a $10trillion$ debt.

It seems when the rightists-conservative GOPers talk about balancing the budget they really mean destroying all the social programs that they and the liberal Dems created from 1933 to 1980, and an intent to destroy all the safety nets that were created to protect the Middleclass from catostrophic financial suffering caused by unforseen personal disasters (cancer, car injury, etc. - we don't need no stinking bankruptcy laws except for corporations.

As for REASON? What is the reasoning for GOPists to give up all their principles on environment? Their reasoning behind staying the course in Iraq? Their purpose for not having one (real) oversight committed to protect the people from the oil industry? ETC. So, exactly, what reasoning are we talking about?

Accountability? You jest? Nearly two years after Katrina the only things functioning are Bourbon Street and the Casinos' in Mississippi.

[ShadeHonestus]

Accountability? You jest? Nearly two years after Katrina the only things functioning are Boubon Street and the Casinos' in Mississippi.


Kafir offers a very nice example of how the left fails to understand finance and reason. As for accountability you take the perfect leftist stance, there is no personal accountability its all on big brother. Katrina was a perfect example of what happens when a people indoctrinate to big government solving all your ills, sees that government fail to hold back the winds of a hurricane and respond completely to everyone's needs immediately. Those downstream in the federal trough were paralyzed by the fact big brother struck out. The administration owned their part...the individual and then local lefty politicians still blame the fed, but not the concept of an all powerful benevolent fed. laughable.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Kafir offers a very nice example of how the left fails to understand finance and reason. As for accountability you take the perfect leftist stance, there is no personal accountability its all on big brother. Katrina was a perfect example of what happens when a people indoctrinate to big government solving all your ills, sees that government fail to hold back the winds of a hurricane and respond completely to everyone's needs immediately. Those downstream in the federal trough were paralyzed by the fact big brother struck out. The administration owned their part...the individual and then local lefty politicians still blame the fed, but not the concept of an all powerful benevolent fed. laughable.

Good point, but to be fair to Kaf', deficits/federal debt have increased far more rapidly under Nixon, Bush 43 and Ronaldus Magnus than they increased under Carter or Clinton. Johnson started the ball rolling for a lot of the spendy social programs, but Nixon presided over them really being ramped up.

Reagan fans argue that a goodly portion of that increase was the cost paid to push the Soviets over the edge and break their system economically and that it was, therefore, a worthwhile expenditure. However, Reagan was unable to do more than retard the growth of government during his tenure despite winning office on a "cut back the overgrowth of government" platform. I ultimately think it was worth it, but to say it wasn't costly would be inaccurate.

Bush 43 vexes me on this front to no end. Part of the debt growth now are war expenses. These do not bother me of themselves, though we seem to be purchasing less success per dollar than I would like (and I'm an optimist compared to Kafir' on the WoT stuffA). Moreover, Bush 43 has encountered, as far as I can tell, exactly one program in 4 years that he wasn't willing to fund (Stem cell research), and has been social spending like a sailor going through her liberty money in a foreign port.

Bush 41 and Clinton lose points, at least for me, for major tax increases. Both of them oversaw signficant increases in the tax burden of the middle American. Taxes for middle America were decreased a little under Bush 43 and fairly significantly by RWR.

Part of Clinton's success in approaching a balanced budget (at least closer than anyone else has since before WW2) was the increased tax percentage coupled with a severe decrease in military spending (similar to Carter). If your goal is balancing the budget in modern America -- where social spending is now an Entitlement and NOT available for budget cuts -- then hacking down the military budget is the only way to reach it. We spend 4-5% of our GDP on the military, a rate double or quadruple that of most of the rest of the G8.

The larger question with that is: which is better for the economy and the government: increased economic activity and growth resulting from lower taxes OR higher revenue from a higher tax base from a somewhat slower economy?

The better question, by my lights, is "How do we most efficiently divest ourselves of the economic burden that is our overgrown government, return to a more constitutional limitation of our judzu-like federal government and put things back in the hands of the several states, and allow the US economy to move forward at the pace of which it it truly capable?" But that question will not seriously be asked -- and I am something of a "reptile" for even thinking it should be.

[IrishArmenian]

Kafir offers a very nice example of how the left fails to understand finance and reason. As for accountability you take the perfect leftist stance, there is no personal accountability its all on big brother. Katrina was a perfect example of what happens when a people indoctrinate to big government solving all your ills, sees that government fail to hold back the winds of a hurricane and respond completely to everyone's needs immediately. Those downstream in the federal trough were paralyzed by the fact big brother struck out. The administration owned their part...the individual and then local lefty politicians still blame the fed, but not the concept of an all powerful benevolent fed. laughable.

I'd rather said government take care of its people instead of waging an endless war.
Think about it, if the U.S. had used some of its war money that is going towards a bottomless pit-like war, couldn't they use some of those funds towards...*thinks deeply*.........bettering living conditions in their country!
So, as I will not stereotype (because that would bring me to your unreasonably condescending and pretentious level), I will steer clear of making such comments as "Right this" and "Right that" for I have some rightist friends. Anyway, your post suggests a few things:
--You feel contempt towards the human race for some reason
--You subscribe to the Hobbesian mindset
--You might not have known what happened to your New Orleans
I am probably wrong somewhere, as I find it hard to understand the logic you display. Anyway, do you think natural disasters are the people's fault?

Allow me to lay something out for you:
Government
--For People
--Made up of People
People
--Take Care of themselves and each other, yes?
--Suffer (this is unavoidable)

So, if people make up the government and people take care of themselves (and each other) then shouldn't the Government take care of itself and others?

How do you not see that all humans are in this together?
We are not in this for ourselves, we must all work together. Your government is spending disgusting ammounts of money on the Iraq War...it doesn't seem like they're trying to conserve money if you will, nor conserve resources, but that is just a paradox that the United States government can brush over with their giant permanent marker labeled Ignorance!

[ShadeHonestus]

--You feel contempt towards the human race for some reason


Sorry to dismiss your post en masse but I'm hard pressed to even want to tackles something I see as completely incoherent conclusions based upon your own predisposition on current events. This line in particular struck me though. You do realize that the "mindset" I portray is the one which believes in the people, trusts them, empowers them and makes this enterprise all about them. Individual accountability, ability and achievement in all things including self governance not living by the government's leave is what I state. You speak of a state of entitlement, the nanny state, the please rescue me from my own bad mistakes...but make it the governments issue, not my neighbors, not my fellow man. Let the long cold arm of government rid us of our perceived failures as individuals so that as individuals we don't have to encounter our own fallability and god given remarkable ability to help others on a personal level and reveal to us our potential. Oh yes, let there be a beuaracratic middle man deciding the redistribution of wealth for our my fellow man's betterment, let them respond to my neighbor in need, let them sort out the poor, the cold, the hungry...they always know what's best. :dizzy2:

The leftist mindset is that which reduces mankind to that lowest common denominator below the level of trust, they believe you ill informed and unable and depend on the continuation of the acceptance as mankind as such.

[Lemur]

Oh, for Pete's sake, did this thread turn serious? I guess it was bound to happen, but I was hoping it would stay silly for at least a page ...

[Husar]

Oh, for Pete's sake, did this thread turn serious? I guess it was bound to happen, but I was hoping it would stay silly for at least a page ...
:laugh4:
I just opened it and read names I didn't know, then scrolled down having similar thoughts until I found your refreshingly short post.:2thumbsup:

[Goofball]

Kafir offers a very nice example of how the left fails to understand finance and reason. As for accountability you take the perfect leftist stance, there is no personal accountability its all on big brother. Katrina was a perfect example of what happens when a people indoctrinate to big government solving all your ills, sees that government fail to hold back the winds of a hurricane and respond completely to everyone's needs immediately. Those downstream in the federal trough were paralyzed by the fact big brother struck out. The administration owned their part...the individual and then local lefty politicians still blame the fed, but not the concept of an all powerful benevolent fed. laughable.

Nothing tickles me more than hearing righties wax poetic about accountability when their greatest hero of the 20th century happily let a lowly colonel take the fall for him when he was caught treating with America's biggest enemy.

Priceless.

Preach on, boys, and somebody gimme hallelujah...

[Lemur]

Before this thread (which was started with a joke pic about dentures, fer cryin' out loud) gets any more heated, let me throw out a lemurish thought:

There are sterling examples of economic mismanagement and corruption from both the left and the right. For recent examples, see Hugo Chavez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_chavez) and the 109th Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/109th_Congress). In the last century there are plenty of left/right economic numskulls to pick from (see Mussolini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini) and Stalin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin)).

Neither left nor right can make any credible claims to having a perfect record or an exclusive lock on fiscal management.

Besides which, if you're really intent on having a serious debate in a denture thread, you might want to work out what exactly you mean when you say "left" and "right," 'cause it ain't obvious in the slightest.

Have fun, boys.

[CrossLOPER]

Lemur, do you really think that a soft, sound and logical argument is going to pull people away from their factions?

[IrishArmenian]

Now, I do think that I worded my post terribly, I still do have faith in people. However, I've seen good, hard-working people get the shaft and I've seen lazy asses strike it rich, so I do think there needs to be some intervention.

Still, the USA should've used some of its war funds to better the living conditions of its people.

Sure, we can debate all of this from our comfortable homes with our computers, but we don't truly know what its like trying to find shelter to live through the next cold snap, do we? If so, why are you on a computer?

And, Lemur, there are idiots from the left (Hugo, many others-->dumb) and idiots from the right, but I admire those who, when things take a bad turn, unite, regardless of political allignment. No one reference the American Joe Lieberman here, or a kitten will die (not by my hand, though).