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Ice
05-13-2007, 19:02
NATO: Taliban mastermind killed in Afghanistan



CNN) -- Top Taliban leader Mullah Dadullah Lang has been killed in a military operation in southern Afghanistan, NATO's International Security Assistance Forces said Sunday, confirming earlier reports by the Afghan government.

A NATO statement said Dadullah had "left his sanctuary in southern Afghanistan where he was killed in a U.S.-led coalition operation supported by NATO."

The operation was made possible "by the Afghan National Security Forces and the Afghan people," the statement said.

The elusive commander was in charge of day-to-day military operations for the Taliban and, according to ISAF, his death has struck a "serious blow" to the resurgent Taliban in the region.

According to Afghan government spokesman Khaleeq Ahmad, Dadullah was tracked down Friday by a joint Afghan army-police operation backed by NATO air support in southern Helmand Province.

Ahmad said Dadullah, who he described as the "killer of killers," was located through intelligence reports and by following leads closely.

"We had some reports that there were some major figures in the area of the operation," Ahmad told CNN Sunday. "We were going for some significant figures who were hiding in Helmand province."

Ahmad said the announcement was made Sunday because that was when the government's intelligence service confirmed the body was Dadullah. (Watch Afghan officials display the body; NB: Viewer discretion advised Video)

The one-legged Dadullah figured prominently for the Taliban in media interviews.

In April, he told al-Jazeera that Osama bin Laden helped plan a deadly suicide car bombing outside Bagram Air Base targeting a "very important American official," apparently referring to Vice President Dick Cheney. (Full story)

Referring to bin Laden, Dadullah told the network, "Praise be to God he is still alive, and we have information about him and praise be to God he orchestrates plans in both Iraq and Afghanistan."

On March 1, Dadullah said his forces were poised for a spring offensive against NATO-led coalition troops in Afghanistan, and that he was maintaining a regular line of communication with bin Laden. Dadullah spoke in an interview obtained by Britain's Channel Four.

Journalist Tom Coghlan told CNN on Sunday from Kabul that he had witnessed a shift in NATO battle tactics.

NATO has been moving away from killing large numbers of low-level fighters to targeting Taliban figureheads in an "aim to decapitate the leadership," Coghlan said.

And Dadullah's death is "perhaps the biggest military loss" the Taliban has had since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion.

In December, the U.S. military said another top Taliban military commander was killed in an airstrike close to the border with Pakistan.

Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani, described as a close associate of Osama bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar, was killed by a U.S. airstrike while traveling by vehicle in a deserted area in the southern province of Helmand, the U.S. military said. (Full story)

In other developments:

# Afghan and international forces have killed 55 suspected Taliban fighters in two operations in the eastern Paktia province near the Afghan border with Pakistan, a spokesman for the provincial governor told The Associated Press on Sunday.

# A spokesman for the Afghan Defense Ministry accused Pakistani forces of crossing the border into Paktia after they were involved in skirmishes with border police, AP reported. A Pakistan military spokesman claimed it had killed six Afghan soldiers. Afghan sources said two civilians had been killed.

# One policeman was killed and two were injured when a roadside bomb exploded in Nangarthar province, AP reported.

It seems that they are know targeting the head instead of continual strikes against the body.

rotorgun
05-14-2007, 06:01
Thanks Ice for the news article about this. It is a small glimmer of hope amidst a host of what seems like nothing but bad news. While I do not revel in the untimely death of any person, with the exception of Osama Bin Laden, I can only be glad that he will no longer be providing leadership and direction to his followers.

I truly believe that the war against the terrorists can only be won in this region. We shall probably have to eventually take action against the enclaves in Pakistan before it is over, a difficult task to say the least. Alexander the Great had to fight some very bitter engagements in this region before he could move futher east. The tribes then were just as fiercly dedicated as Al Queda and the Taliban is today. Still we remain tied down in Iraq....sigh.
:juggle2:


Thanks for the update.

Pannonian
05-14-2007, 08:06
I truly believe that the war against the terrorists can only be won in this region. We shall probably have to eventually take action against the enclaves in Pakistan before it is over, a difficult task to say the least. Alexander the Great had to fight some very bitter engagements in this region before he could move futher east. The tribes then were just as fiercly dedicated as Al Queda and the Taliban is today. Still we remain tied down in Iraq....sigh.
:juggle2:

It's not the mountain defences that will be causing you the problems in Pakistan, but the political situation. The Himalayas are easier to scale than the political mountains that make Pakistan such a lovely country to have to deal with.

Marshal Murat
05-14-2007, 12:02
I didn't hear about this.
I heard about Pakistani violence and forest fires in Florida
Nothing about this.

:computer:

macsen rufus
05-14-2007, 14:09
Now don't imagine I have any sympathy for the guy, but two words spring instantly to mind: MARTYR and HYDRA.

We have to think about both of those before we get too ecstatic. How many times has Al Qaeda been decaptitated? It hasn't gone away as a result, we just get even whackier dingbats filling the void and stepping up the violence another notch to avenge the death of the previous "martyr". I imagine there's a similar mindset in the Taleban.

Zaknafien
05-14-2007, 14:41
we've been going after this guy for years, he's a pretty bad dude to be sure. but it doesnt mean anything, his replacement is already in charge, the fight goes on. commanders like to target taliban leadership but the organization is fluid and these leadership strikes are not effective at all.

The Wizard
05-14-2007, 14:46
I've heard the man botched quite a few attacks, leading to several thousand casualties amongst his troops, while his terror bombings usually only led to the death of the crooks doing them.

Now, I don't know if I can trust the Dutch press, which I know for its often inaccurate and biased reporting, but as Napoleon said: leave your enemy lots of room to make his mistakes. We might soon be dealing with a progressively more devious enemy in Afghanistan.


I truly believe that the war against the terrorists can only be won in this region. We shall probably have to eventually take action against the enclaves in Pakistan before it is over, a difficult task to say the least. Alexander the Great had to fight some very bitter engagements in this region before he could move futher east. The tribes then were just as fiercly dedicated as Al Queda and the Taliban is today. Still we remain tied down in Iraq....sigh.

Ah yes, the legendary Pashto tribes, fiercely independent and proud to the point of kicking out anybody they don't like with his tail between his legs. Even brought the Brits to their knees -- those same Brits that were able to so successfully crush guerillas in the Boer War...

They haven't changed a bit, of course. Pashto clans and tribes don't like no outsiders lording it over them, oh no. Yet the Taliban and al-Qa'ida... there's a whole slew of outlanders for you, fellow Muslims or not. An outlander is an outlander, and any outlanders trying to recruit fellow clansmen for a foreign war need to get their ambitions cut short by a head if Pastho chieftains have anything to say about it. If only NATO and the U.S. would capitalize on that fact, and channel Pashtun fury to create a very potent weapon to flush out thousands of men making life difficult back in Afghanistan...

JR-
05-14-2007, 14:50
NATO: Taliban mastermind killed in Afghanistan



It seems that they are know targeting the head instead of continual strikes against the body.
jolly good.

Vladimir
05-14-2007, 15:11
I'm all for this more intelligent warfare but not convinced that their leadership is their center of gravity. As to the worry of martyrdom, let them all be martyrs.

Pannonian
05-14-2007, 16:01
Ah yes, the legendary Pashto tribes, fiercely independent and proud to the point of kicking out anybody they don't like with his tail between his legs. Even brought the Brits to their knees -- those same Brits that were able to so successfully crush guerillas in the Boer War...

They haven't changed a bit, of course. Pashto clans and tribes don't like no outsiders lording it over them, oh no. Yet the Taliban and al-Qa'ida... there's a whole slew of outlanders for you, fellow Muslims or not. An outlander is an outlander, and any outlanders trying to recruit fellow clansmen for a foreign war need to get their ambitions cut short by a head if Pastho chieftains have anything to say about it. If only NATO and the U.S. would capitalize on that fact, and channel Pashtun fury to create a very potent weapon to flush out thousands of men making life difficult back in Afghanistan...
That's the optimistic forecast. The pessimistic forecast sees the current relatively secular leadership of Pakistan overthrown, and the religious nuts (the real ones, not fake, relatively sane ones like those in Iran) take control of the nukes there. Afghanistan, Iran, etc. are irrelevances. The real centres of gravity are Saudi and Pakistan, and have always been.

The Wizard
05-14-2007, 18:05
And that was the pessimistic forecast back in 1979 in Teheran, too. Since the United States are to Pakistan what China is to North Korea -- the pimp daddy -- I think it comes down to U.S. involvement how far Musharraf can go. He's made a wrong move with the judge, greatly diminishing his ability to lean on the pillar that is the urban middle class, and with the conflict between him and his erstwhile supporters going, the extremists have a free hand. The only surefire support comes from Washington, but it depends entirely on American assertiveness how much that does for democratic, liberal and/or Western interests.

Then there's this assertion on Pakistan being a big player in the Muslim world. Where do you base this on? As far as I know the country's been losing prestige for the past fifty years with its continued inability after the first war to take it to India. That, and Pakistan's just as foreign to your average Arab (or Pashto) as is Iran. Like Indonesia (or even Egypt), there may be a lot of Muslims in Pakistan, but that doesn't automatically translate into a position of dominance within the Islamic world.

Pannonian
05-14-2007, 19:16
Then there's this assertion on Pakistan being a big player in the Muslim world. Where do you base this on?

They have nukes.


As far as I know the country's been losing prestige for the past fifty years with its continued inability after the first war to take it to India. That, and Pakistan's just as foreign to your average Arab (or Pashto) as is Iran. Like Indonesia (or even Egypt), there may be a lot of Muslims in Pakistan, but that doesn't automatically translate into a position of dominance within the Islamic world.
Pakistan is also the training ground of choice for radicalised rabblerousers and their followers, even before the Taliban's overthrow. Relatively good transport and communications, unlike Afghanistan, and with access to a greater population of the sympathetic (outside Lahore and Karachi, the fundies are popular). More prosperous than Afghanistan, with a correspondingly larger population of radical religious schools, which both spew out indoctrinated natives and act as cover for more "practical" training for visiting foreigners. All this while shielded by a govenment no-one dares push, lest things get even worse.

Compared to this, Iran looks like the epitome of secular good sense and pro-western sympathies.

The Wizard
05-14-2007, 20:06
Ah... what you're trying to say is that Pakistan is big in the world of international Islamic extremism, Salafism and terror. In that, no, I won't contend your point.