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Well, excuse me if this question has been asked b4. But here goes?
Do camel troops get bonus on desert? It would make perfect sense to me. Camels are definitely more adept to the sandy desert and scorching sun than those European horses.
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Hirosito
04-14-2002, 21:01
it's been said that knights will move slower in the desert and that horses will be afraid of camels
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Hirosito Mori
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Will they be penalized in northern Europe I wonder? Probably not is my guess. I hope camels don't become like the monks of Shogun, grossly over powered and overly common to boot.
Quote Originally posted by Nelson:
Will they be penalized in northern Europe I wonder? Probably not is my guess. I hope camels don't become like the monks of Shogun, grossly over powered and overly common to boot. [/QUOTE]
An elephant in its homeland is terrified of a mouse. Transplant the elephant to a distant land, whose climate is a far cry from that of its homeland... and it will STILL be afraid of a mouse.
I'm not referring to the horse vs camel thing (about which I think too much is made anyway). I'm refering to the climate. If camels have advantages in the desert will they suffer in colder, wetter climates or will they simply rule cavalry everywhere as some sort of camel rock for breaking cavalry scissors? I hope not.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
I think camels will be dreadful in northern Europe. Even when they are shivering and freezing their nads off, the locals will see this 'unholy' beast as if it were a dragon or something sent to slay them. And once they get a whiff of camel breath, they will SURELY think these be dragons... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
Papewaio
04-16-2002, 08:14
So seen the new panoramic image des1 with the camels some of which look like they are routing.
oZoNeLaYeR
04-16-2002, 08:24
Weird i cant watch des1 with panorimage... BOOOOO
Papewaio
04-16-2002, 10:05
Quote Originally posted by oZoNeLaYeR:
Weird i cant watch des1 with panorimage... BOOOOO[/QUOTE]
Save the StripC to somewhere else. Rename the des1 to StripC and it works http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Hirosito
04-18-2002, 00:58
well in terms of endurance camels just kick medieval ass. they can survive the desert without water they can survive the nice grasslands of europe. in winter i don't actually know. but these things are tough beasts no matter what. BTW it's not the horses that perform worse in a desert it's those bloody iron machines of war on top of them which drag them down
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Orda Khan
04-18-2002, 21:53
camels affected by climate? Surely not. One only has to consider the Bactrian camel used by the Mongols throughout Asia and Russia to realise these are decidedly tough beasts, capable of standing extreme cold.
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Konnichiwa,
Deserts (the african ones which are intended here) are extremely hot during daytime and shivering cold at night. Much colder than a night in spring in north western europe.
I'm not an expert here, but I guess that while the camel has advantages over the horse in the desert, on normal plains the camel hasn't an advantage over the horse. I believe the horse is favourable then, as it's faster.
I don't know whether horses are afraid for camels, I do know that we're talking about horses that are trained to go into war, not the horse of farmer Joe.
The argument raised in several topics that horses were scared by gunfire in sengoku jidai seems exaggerated to me. Gunpower was known for several decades by then, and the samurai would surely train his horse to endure the noise.
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Sir Kuma of The Org
04-18-2002, 23:02
Camels strength=Endurance
Horses strength=Speed
Well i hope this is the way the stats will be built up, giving the game even more tactical depth.
I don't think that all countries will have access to camels though.
Hirosito
04-19-2002, 00:44
well that depends on how they structure the game. can you only build 'home' units. if yes consider this: the holy roman empire conquers parts of africa and then starts building teutonic knights in the bleedin' sahara. In japan there was never a prob cos every1 had the same units (and even then monks were to easy to get). So would it not be more logical if 'local' units were built?
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Hirosito Mori
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It only makes sense to be limited to raising local style troops, at least for a while. I suppose though that given the game's time scale one might influence the locals over a period of decades such that your own fighting styles get assimilated.
Quote Originally posted by Nelson:
It only makes sense to be limited to raising local style troops, at least for a while. I suppose though that given the game's time scale one might influence the locals over a period of decades such that your own fighting styles get assimilated. [/QUOTE]
Wouldn't that complicate the game system a bit too much? After all, it's impossible to please everybody.
And hait to to the newly promoted Tai-Sa. Guess all the spamming finally worked out.
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CeltiberoSkullXIII
04-23-2002, 22:47
Quote Originally posted by Vanya:
I think camels will be dreadful in northern Europe. Even when they are shivering and freezing their nads off, the locals will see this 'unholy' beast as if it were a dragon or something sent to slay them. And once they get a whiff of camel breath, they will SURELY think these be dragons... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif[/QUOTE]
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CeltiberoSkullXIII
04-23-2002, 23:00
well if u r speaking about the cigarrets CAMEL i smoke them without Filter
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Hirosito
04-24-2002, 00:46
Gothmog i was rereading lotr and only now do i realise what your name is....silly me
wow you really cared about that..how come there are no camel riders in lotr
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Quote Originally posted by Hirosito:
Gothmog i was rereading lotr and only now do i realise what your name is....silly me
wow you really cared about that..how come there are no camel riders in lotr
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To be exact, in "Silmarillion" (another master piece by Tolkien) you will find the horrific deeds of Gothmog, lord of Balrogs, high-captain of Angband, slayer of Feanor, Fingon, and Ecthelion, capturer of Hurin. Think about all the mighty elvish kings and princes who he cleaved into halves. Muahhahahahaha.
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